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RiKD    United States. Aug 05 2019 21:30. Posts 5640

Damn, I just posted a post and lost it. I'll probably be briefer.

I've never done shrooms. Why? I don't know. The time to try shrooms was when I was in Amsterdam in 2009. But, my friends and I just wanted to smoke weed all day. That's the gist of it. Then I got sober. Then I got obsessed. I talked to my psychiatrist openly about it. He was all for a lot of therapies and shrooms in general but not for me.

1.) I'm sober meaning I don't do drugs or drink alcohol. This can be easily rationalized. Bill Wilson, the founder of AA, did LSD. There are studies that show that shrooms decrease relapse and depression over a 6 month span. Meaning you could just take shrooms every 6 months instead of all sorts of pills and potions. There is also the spiritual awakening aspect to it. I might actually find myself obsessing about shrooms again now that I think of it. A lot of AA I don't necessarily adhere to or agree with. They would say that this is just the "monster" talking. Even though shrooms taken for therapeutic purposes is clearly different than me starting to pound Vicodin and vodka.

2.) My psychiatrist's bigger concern was that shrooms for someone who is Bipolar I (or schizophrenic) could lead to psychosis or manic episode. He said it's not worth it. Although, part of me says whatever dude I've been manic and it's pretty great until it's not. The fact that he was so on board the shrooms train but so adamant that they aren't for me I had to trust his opinion.

If you are over 30 with no psychotic incidences it's very VERY unlikely to develop. A family member that may or may not be schizophrenic is kind of a laughable anxiety.

Also, please don't go down that "spiritual advisor" route. Anyone who charges $500/hr is no spiritual advisor. My whole life I have gotten the best spiritual advice for free. What would Jesus do? What would the Buddha do? Think about it. Now, I am all for guided trips but go to a professional like someone involved with NYU or JHU. Not some crackpot hypnotic bullshit.

I remember the first time I heard this song I was like WHA WHOAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! and played it on repeat for a while. It was the music to some WoW raid my brother sent me. I kept re-watching the raid even though I didn't even really play WoW:


RiKD    United States. Aug 05 2019 21:46. Posts 5640

I forget to say from everything I read and everyone I talked to the best suggestion is to take a relatively small dose and go for a hike in the forest with trusted friend(s). Not, go on a Skype call with some "spiritual advisor" and get hypnotized. Would you be paying her $500/hr for this?


balakubak   . Aug 06 2019 05:12. Posts 102

In other times you take it, you just couldn't stop laughing that your gut hurts. An hour or so of this later, it's like "the laughing" becomes a reflex when you talk. Like Beavis and Butthead? Huhhuh-huhhuh, Heehee-heehee.

I didn't get it at that time, but it was like something was released and I felt so good and so relaxed after that trip. Like I would think about my biggest problem at the time (just broke up with a long time gf), and would think "meh, I'm cool". But now thinking back about it, I think that's when my mind was back to where it should be. Like it was flushed away of everything that shouldn't be there.


dnagardi   Hungary. Aug 07 2019 18:11. Posts 1633

if you try it, post a blog about the experience


devon06atX   Canada. Aug 12 2019 02:41. Posts 5405


  On August 05 2019 20:46 RiKD wrote:
I forget to say from everything I read and everyone I talked to the best suggestion is to take a relatively small dose and go for a hike in the forest with trusted friend(s). Not, go on a Skype call with some "spiritual advisor" and get hypnotized. Would you be paying her $500/hr for this?

Exactly this. Eat ~2 grams, and be in a comfortable setting.

And dump the girlfriend ffs


RiKD    United States. Aug 12 2019 03:21. Posts 5640

I don't think we have the info that he should dump the g/f. k4ir0s should do what he's feeling in his heart. No one is perfect. I have contempt for the "spiritual" but there is Spiritual in this world so it's tough.


RiKD    United States. Aug 12 2019 18:38. Posts 5640

Also, I just talked to my psychiatrist and she used some medical term I don't remember but there is a certain % of people that are predisposed to psychosis from shrooms. This is not including people with bipolar I or schizophrenia that the shrooms kick off a mania or psychotic event this is just normal folk who have this predisposition. No idea what % of people fall into that category but it may be something to research.


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Aug 13 2019 03:57. Posts 8633


  On August 05 2019 03:51 k4ir0s wrote:
$500/hr woowoo spiritual teacher



we've been doing it wrong boys

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drone666   Brasil. Aug 13 2019 10:48. Posts 1706

You will probably endup more fucked up, so I should say don't do it, but I don't think you have much to lose, so do it.

Don't follow rikd advice, take it in your room, alone with yourself, no distractions or "fun stuff" to do, and ask yourself some questions and have pen and paper ready

trip hiking in a forest won't lead you to any self discovery, although it's a fun experience, you can have fun experiences with less dangerous methods


Raidern   Brasil. Aug 13 2019 16:56. Posts 4224


  On August 13 2019 09:48 drone666 wrote:
You will probably endup more fucked up, so I should say don't do it, but I don't think you have much to lose, so do it.

Don't follow rikd advice, take it in your room, alone with yourself, no distractions or "fun stuff" to do, and ask yourself some questions and have pen and paper ready

trip hiking in a forest won't lead you to any self discovery, although it's a fun experience, you can have fun experiences with less dangerous methods



lol i read your post yesterday and thought it was liquiddrone -_-

im a regular at nl5 

RiKD    United States. Aug 13 2019 17:58. Posts 5640


  On August 13 2019 09:48 drone666 wrote:
You will probably endup more fucked up, so I should say don't do it, but I don't think you have much to lose, so do it.

Don't follow rikd advice, take it in your room, alone with yourself, no distractions or "fun stuff" to do, and ask yourself some questions and have pen and paper ready

trip hiking in a forest won't lead you to any self discovery, although it's a fun experience, you can have fun experiences with less dangerous methods



The Serious Business trip. I like the idea. Shrooms + pen + notebook. I still like the idea of going to a trained therapist on shrooms more though I think. Both are pretty cool. Forest with friends really shouldn't be discounted. If one is able to do shrooms they should do it every 6 months so there is time for all kinds of trips. I would love to paint on shrooms but every psychiatrist has told me "NO!!!!!! Please don't!!! You know how many drugs and difficulties it would take to get you off of a shroom mania??????"


RiKD    United States. Aug 13 2019 18:00. Posts 5640

It's like going to the General Practitioner every 6 months for a check up.


drone666   Brasil. Aug 14 2019 03:32. Posts 1706

there's no other way to take it in his shoes, he's trying to fix something in his brain and not to have fun, if he wants to have fun take a clean dose of mdma and its way better than taking lsd in the jungle
I am very experienced with drugs myself and also I've been reading and running my own "studies" lol, sometimes I give to friends or some different girls that I'm dating if they are interested ( usually 1/4 or 1/2 dose of something ) and then I keep paying attention to her behavior for the next months/years
and I can say this with confidence that psychedelics are dangerous, even if it had a lot of studies to get some conclusion, I dont think they would be very accurate since some of the effects are "subtle" and happen more in the mid/long term

it wouldnt be subtle if you had 2 parallel universes and in one you take only 1 dose of LSD in your lifetime and the other you don't, the route that your life would take in the following years would be completely different, and this type of stuff, studies can't really replicate

also, all my friends in Brazil that I see once a year or 2, it's very clear to spot see the ones who are on drugs, the ones who never touched, and even the ones who only tried a few times
would put weed in this category too, in fact that's the easiest to spot, all the weed smokers have the same patterns which are very strong and they most likely carry for the rest of their lives even if they stop

I only took a full LSD dose once 4 years ago, and I dont regret it ( done smaller doses a few times and a lot of experience with microdosing ) , but I think I was extremely lucky with the effects that I got and not everyone would have the same, even though I am not sure if it was worth because I notice a lot of side effects nowadays, including paranoia, different types of anxiety
but it's hard to say for sure whats the cause of all this in my case because I've done a lot of different drugs and I am on some controlled drugs for about 10 years, but experience observing friends and my guinea pigs use to confirm that most these effects are from psychedelics

 Last edit: 14/08/2019 03:33

drone666   Brasil. Aug 14 2019 03:37. Posts 1706


  On August 13 2019 16:58 RiKD wrote:
If one is able to do shrooms they should do it every 6 months so there is time for all kinds of trips



this is so wrong lol at least in his case and what his goal is in experimenting with psychedelics
you can do shrooms every 6 months without getting completely rekt in short term but it will def make you become a totally different person in a year or two

 Last edit: 14/08/2019 03:37

RiKD    United States. Aug 14 2019 04:55. Posts 5640


  On August 14 2019 02:32 drone666 wrote:
there's no other way to take it in his shoes, he's trying to fix something in his brain and not to have fun, if he wants to have fun take a clean dose of mdma and its way better than taking lsd in the jungle



This we can agree on. Clean MDMA is the shit. Good speed, a little alcohol, and clean MDMA at a rave is particularly fun but clean MDMA is the shit and everyone should try it. I remember taking some clean MDMA and going to a music festival and then coming home and smoking good weed and a group of friends and myself basically found ourselves strategizing poker and we each made $100k+ in the coming months. I would do MDMA regularly if I wasn't sober and I consider doing it anyways especially with a therapist but I don't have PTSD so I'd rather just go to raves/music festivals.


  I am very experienced with drugs myself and also I've been reading and running my own "studies" lol, sometimes I give to friends or some different girls that I'm dating if they are interested ( usually 1/4 or 1/2 dose of something ) and then I keep paying attention to her behavior for the next months/years
and I can say this with confidence that psychedelics are dangerous, even if it had a lot of studies to get some conclusion, I dont think they would be very accurate since some of the effects are "subtle" and happen more in the mid/long term

it wouldnt be subtle if you had 2 parallel universes and in one you take only 1 dose of LSD in your lifetime and the other you don't, the route that your life would take in the following years would be completely different, and this type of stuff, studies can't really replicate

also, all my friends in Brazil that I see once a year or 2, it's very clear to spot see the ones who are on drugs, the ones who never touched, and even the ones who only tried a few times
would put weed in this category too, in fact that's the easiest to spot, all the weed smokers have the same patterns which are very strong and they most likely carry for the rest of their lives even if they stop



Interesting. I used to be a huge pothead but haven't smoked for 5 years and some potheads at work thought I was a pothead.

Do you think the LSD users it was for the better? Same with shroom users?

I love marijuana and wish I could still smoke. What patterns are you talking about?


  I only took a full LSD dose once 4 years ago, and I dont regret it ( done smaller doses a few times and a lot of experience with microdosing ) , but I think I was extremely lucky with the effects that I got and not everyone would have the same, even though I am not sure if it was worth because I notice a lot of side effects nowadays, including paranoia, different types of anxiety
but it's hard to say for sure whats the cause of all this in my case because I've done a lot of different drugs and I am on some controlled drugs for about 10 years, but experience observing friends and my guinea pigs use to confirm that most these effects are from psychedelics



How can you attribute your paranoia and anxiety to the drugs? Why couldn't it just be the nature of the world today and late stage capitalism?

In conclusion, k4ir0s, take MDMA with your girl, take MDMA with your friends, LOVE and MDMA is like one of the best combinations in life. Good raves, music festivals, anywhere where LOVE is predominant over fear.


drone666   Brasil. Aug 14 2019 07:02. Posts 1706

as I said it's hard to point out exactly what was the cause for my personal issues, but I started noticing way more and got way more annoyed after the LSD experience, there's a small chance that I just got more aware of the symptoms of issues I already had in the past
but anxiety is def a thing on LSD for me at least, I tried microdosing a few times and my anxiety was like 1000% increased every 3 days to the point I couldn't go to supermarket without getting mentally exhausted ( was microdosiong every 4 days ), the cycle kept repeating every time, so I stopped, might try again in the future when I have a more stable life, because the benefits are very strong and might outweight the side effects in some situations

I can think of a better and more complete explanation but in general about weed:

people tend to have way less will power, be less driven to do what they want or what they know they should
less awareness and less lucidity, they are auto piloting a lot, almost like a half dreaming state

very strong pattern is to fear/avoid changes, no bold moves, same profession, same hobbies, same girlfriends from when they were young, they just get comfortable with whatever they have at the moment

the most noticeable is that they tend to use a lot of random excuses to cover their weaknesses, which include excuses to keep the habit of smoking, but also in general, like for their lack of drive ( people in general do this, but pot heads just abuse excuses so much )
I heard "but Snoop Dog is happy" from a person that I consider very smart lol, but in general people tend to say "I'm happier this way" to support their laziness and lack of action taking, even though they are complaining all the time about things that dont work in their lives directly because of their laziness
just like fat people say they are happier fat or "a girl from my work said she thinks fat people are cute"


the main problem with the weed is that most of these symptoms appear in mid long term, so people dont really notice, almost the same way people that see you everyday wont notice that you lost like 5kg of fat in a year, but if they see you only twice in a year span they will notice the difference right away
its even more subtle when you smoke weed, because everyone grows up, gets older and is expected to change, but the changes when they are smoking weed, rarely changes from the patterns I pointed before and they are very strong changes after a few years, you become a complete different person that you would if you haven't done all that weed, and the same patterns are present even after years of non smoking ( somewhat small sample on this one, a few personal friends, but mostly asked people that I noticed these patterns if they were heavy weed smokers at a certain point and they always say yes, but I dont know what % of past heavy weed smokers dont show with any of these symptoms because I only ask people who show up with the symptoms )


about LSD/shrooms:

people are more inclined to believe random shit, conspiracy theories, new age/bro science with no real data or studies to support, people really go full retard on this, although potheads also share this behavior I think it's stronger on LSD/shrooms
saying random deep shit that makes no sense at all, although sometimes might make sense but they don't know how to express what they meant with words because what you learn on lsd/shrooms, you dont learn with words, you learn from feeling, from inside ( random deep shit from lsd user lol )

also finding deeper meaning in every meaningless situation, like a girl told me once that she was at a festival and saw a father hug his daughter and she could really feel the love and she started crying in emotion

and always the ego trap, or whatever is called, you think you are now humble, that your ego is "gone" ( I think you can't get rid of your ego, so I'm refering to the false center/ false self or whoever and whatever you think you are ) but in reality it's your ego tricking you and telling you this, because it thinks it's superior to not have an ego and be humbler
this is what happens with most of these spiritual gurus charging 500$/h, or people saying out loud that they are enlightened or trying to educate people, it doesn't make any sense to brag or to take advantage, more likely if you were anything close to enlightened you would be living in the mountains by yourself, or just living a normal life appreciating the small things without bothering in letting everyone know how you can appreciate the small things or educating other people/sharing knowledge

a quote from Tao Te Ching that I think is very suitable for these people "Those who know it do not speak about it. Those who speak about it do not know it."

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I would say that lot of the confusing way that I write or speak is due to my uneducated background, but I think a big part is due to my LSD experience, so you might be able to spot some of these patterns on my posts too

 Last edit: 14/08/2019 07:18

drone666   Brasil. Aug 14 2019 07:16. Posts 1706

even though I'm saying all the bad stuff about drugs, I have a personal view that life shouldn't be taken too seriously, I think people should risk more and care less about consequences, I dont think life is important after all, and this is a good thing
if you can share this same view then do drugs, especially LSD, but not in a jungle lol, would advise to read a lot of interesting stuff beforehand, things related to taoism and zen buddhism, even if you don't understand ( and you won't )
LSD has the power of organizing your knowledge in different neural connections so you are able to understand a lot of information stored in your brain that you are incapable of understand now, so a lot of things will finally click during your trip

I think if you find out the rules of the game before you start playing is the GTO way to play


napoleono   Romania. Aug 14 2019 17:03. Posts 771

you never updated the last thread. Is this the same gf?


Raidern   Brasil. Aug 14 2019 18:33. Posts 4224


  On August 14 2019 06:16 drone666 wrote:
I dont think life is important after all



this appeared to me as being written in bold verdana font size 132 amid your post

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longple    Sweden. Aug 26 2019 07:58. Posts 4467



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