To me the real question is what will be different in GRRMs books... i get it we will see more justification and background on the heroes actions but if it finishes like this i wasted my time reading - same as i wasted my time watching.
On May 13 2019 05:33 Daut wrote:
Not gonna overthink it, all I'll say is the camerawork was incredible, beautifully filmed episode.
I enjoyed it, a big improvement over the previous episodes.
The bad:
Jamie vs Euron was so fucking ridiculous... only Euron swims to the shore, not a single sailore more and exactly at the same time, and we got a cliché fight where one is fatally wounded and the other dies, (nothing wrong with him winning one handed, it wasn't established that Euron was a great fighter).
The meh
Clegane bowl was too predictable and cheesy, the only thing I liked was the good old oberyn eye poke
Cersei & Jamies death was unimaginative and and a bit cheesy I think they left a good oportunity to do something cool, but at least it wasn't more cliché or something I guess I'm just grateful when it isn't a massive fuck up
Ballistas were nerfed too.
Its quite obvious where they are gonig with Arya, I hope they didn't just telegraph the plot that hard.
The good:
This is the supposed true power of dragons, I mean a fucking meteor fell from the sky the day they were born, they are magical creatures nearly unkillable by mortals without magic, Aegon conquered the 7 kingdoms with just 3 dragon riders before.
Daenerys descent into madness was predictable but done correctlly I felt through the entire episode like "ok... are you done now? no?,,, ok", people complaining that its out of character are morons, she has been talking about bringing fire and blood since Qart, she let his brother die gruesomly and didn't even flinch etc, she has always been on the crazy monarch side but she had advisors who tempered her impulses... those advisors are now dead or betrayed her, Missandei and Greyworm always wanted brutal revenge, they didn't care about any moral high ground.
Varys death, I would have liked it to be on-screen, but I was good, he was my favorite character just after Tywin.
the really good
The cinematography was perfect, beautiful directing
You mean he is not supposed to be a great warrior on the series? ircc he is legit as fuck in the books, that fucking fight really pissed me off lol
This entire episode didn't feel like GoT to me .. really weird
Series Euron and book Euron is a very different character, his fighting skills are at no point established in the series.
book Euron is extremely dangerous and cruel and powerful, but specifically his fighting skills aren't stablished either, he is more of a commander than a soldier.
The Telltales GoT game depics Euron in his journeys through Essos, he fights there a bit but it isnt very long, it doesnt include Valyria or anything like that, actually it is more TV show Euron than book Euron.
Did anyone notice the wildfire burning thou ? So i guess the plan was to burn them with wildfire if Daenerys choose differently. That was what i liked the most about the episode
On May 14 2019 04:05 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Did anyone notice the wildfire burning thou ? So i guess the plan was to burn them with wildfire if Daenerys choose differently. That was what i liked the most about the episode
Before the episode I thought Cersei might use it as she escaped the castle in a lost cause, but given the small amounts spread around I don't think Cersei planted them. More likely they were remnants from Dany's father's stashes.
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On May 14 2019 04:05 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Did anyone notice the wildfire burning thou ? So i guess the plan was to burn them with wildfire if Daenerys choose differently. That was what i liked the most about the episode
Before the episode I thought Cersei might use it as she escaped the castle in a lost cause, but given the small amounts spread around I don't think Cersei planted them. More likely they were remnants from Dany's father's stashes.
On May 13 2019 14:18 PplusAD wrote:
rewatched it again and still feel like besides being incredible good in terms of camera work and atmosphere i still dont like the Episode .
Dany going complete apeshit on civilians just doesnt make much sense to me.
She has killed Eurons Fleet
She has killed the Golden Company
Her army has sucessfully occupied Kings Landing.
complete victory
She stops and takes a deep breath and then after minutes of inner fighting she decides to kill all civilians and burn the whole city to ashes ?
I have no problem with her going into bloodrage mode and killing many civilians as collateral damage.
But i have a big problem with her going specifically after civilians just for the reason of murdering for fun/insanity
Dany has always been cruel and brutal to her enemys to a point where it was clear she is not an "only good" hero.
But she has always been very kind to the little men.
I agree it was very clear from many hints this Episode that she would burn everything to the ground but they have not conviced me that it was authentic character developement.
She had her Khabib 2.0 moment but didnt go after MC Gregors Training partners but started to beat up the innocent number girls instead ......
The Red Keep was not the target anymore. The city was.
But in a way many people are in RL.
A way were you paint the people you meet into a simple black,white,grey scheme.
grey are people she hasnt met in person or that she has not known for a long time.
after she meets someone in person and has got to known them for a fair amount she decides to put them either in a white (all good) or black (all bad) scheme. (grey doesnt exist any longer after that point)
The white to black can change within just a few moments due to actions done.
The insanity is that she is way exaggerating the "black".
There are quite some people in RL who are that way.
The dont accept different opinions from friends.
They need a clear friend or enemy classification
"You are either with me , then i call you brother or you are against me then i will fight you till only one of us is left."
This is an insane mentality since in reality its completely normal to have different opinions about topics but still be friendly towards you
This is the kind of insanity that i saw in Dany getting stronger every season.
So i would not be surprised that if after her victory she decided to sentence Jon Snow to die for treason.
That would be in her character line.
She always has been overly cruel to her enemies and this part of her got stronger and stronger every season
But slaughtering innocent civilians just for the fun of murdering is not !
If she did fly to the Red Keep and kill Cersei while some civilians died as collateral damage from the falling stone bricks i would have liked it
my 2 cents.
you are free to have a different opinion
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Stroggoz New Zealand. May 14 2019 10:26. Posts 5297
too bad the golden company put their men on the outside of the wall instead of the inside and on top, vs an army with no siege weapons or ladders and 1 dragon. I'm sure elephants that were virtually never used in middle ages woulda helped tho.
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i didnt have expectations anymore so I just enjoyed the episode, this is the way from now on
this is my guess for the finale: jon sets up a rebellion against dany with tyrion, they kill the dragon but they cannot kill Dany, the unsullied and some other allies get them, execute them. Then we are left where we started, several big rulers around realm against each other. The cycle restarts
On May 14 2019 17:09 dnagardi wrote:
i didnt have expectations anymore so I just enjoyed the episode, this is the way from now on
this is my guess for the finale: jon sets up a rebellion against dany with tyrion, they kill the dragon but they cannot kill Dany, the unsullied and some other allies get them, execute them. Then we are left where we started, several big rulers around realm against each other. The cycle restarts
I just saw a dragon-size comparison vid and apparently Drogon is supposed to be about twice or thrice the size of Raegal... (It didnt look like that to me in the scenes they were together), so perhaps that could explain the power difference a bit.
Also fwiw, Balerion (Aegon's dragon) was like 10 times bigger than Drogon... no wonder he conquered the 7 kingdoms with ease
On May 15 2019 04:04 Baalim wrote:
I just saw a dragon-size comparison vid and apparently Drogon is supposed to be about twice or thrice the size of Raegal... (It didnt look like that to me in the scenes they were together), so perhaps that could explain the power difference a bit.
Also fwiw, Balerion (Aegon's dragon) was like 10 times bigger than Drogon... no wonder he conquered the 7 kingdoms with ease
This makes sense in some contexts, but not others. Yes, Balerion was massive, which was especially helpful in dragon vs dragon fights vs dissenting relatives. Likewise, his great size would give Drogon the ability to spew seemingly endless fire when destroying King's Landing.
But when evading arrows from scorpions ringing the city and Blackwater Bay, size is a potential detriment. I didn't mind the super improbable ambush on Rhaegal before, but it seems pretty silly in juxtaposition with Drogon juking out 100 scorpions an episode later, especially when considering he's a larger target.
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They could have used some mist or something to hide the ships and make then all fire at the dragons so of 20 bolts a couple hits Raegan and the whole scene wouldn't be that stupid, but the worst thing is that Daenerys and Drogon retreated from the ballista fire and let their fleet sink... only to later use her lone dragon to sink the Iron fleet when nothing really changed, besides what.. the sun blinding them a bit?
There could have been many ideas to not make that Ballista Dragon scene so bad....
I stll think there was no way to make it really good...
but definitely less bad
Rhaegal was hurt from the fight vs Viserion whocould have bit a good junk of the dragon scale so why not fire 30 bolts at him of which none hurt him but one who hits the fleshwound from the Viserion fight ?
I mean it would still be pretty meh but 10 times better than what they did....
What basically happend is that D&D wanted to make the audience believe that there is an equal fight comming so they had to kill a dragon.
Problem is there is no way to kill dragon except with magic or maybe when the dragon is very badly hurt anyways.
Since they left out Eurons Dragon Horn which possibly could kill a dragon but also kills its user there was no really satisfying way to kill the dragon.
So they decided to give a shit and just get over it fast.
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On May 15 2019 22:32 Spitfiree wrote:
yall remember how Jon hid behind a wall from the dragon's breath 2 episodes ago? :D Guess Brann the Builder designs rocked compared to King's Landing
Still have no clue what the revived dragon was shooting. Ice doesn't make sense, it wouldn't knock down a portion of the wall. Lightning wouldn't make sense, would have electrocuted the fuck out of Jon given he was surrounded by stone which probably had some conductivity. Magic would make sense as it would possibly destroy a wall built using magic but not 10 feet of stone protecting Jon, but still hard to imagine cutting through something that stood for thousands of years but not harming Jon.
Better explanation is the writers just doing whatever the fuck they want and lol'ing at us.
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Stroggoz New Zealand. May 16 2019 02:01. Posts 5297
there is no real need to use dragons, simply use trebechets in a drawn out seige, presumably they outrange these ballista. No one can ride out to lift the seige because they would be facing dothraki+dragon in an open field.
Either that or drogon can pick up rocks and drop them on the red keep from a mile above it (out of ballista range).
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