I just love this woman

When you are so desperate you have to monetize your neurological disorder. Capital in the 21st century.

On January 16 2019 15:56 Loco wrote: When you are so desperate you have to monetize your neurological disorder. Capital in the 21st century.

She was finding an outlet in push-to-talk games for years that were the only place where she could pretend to be "normal" before someone pointed out she should do streaming and sounds like a voice actor.
I for one think it's beautiful someone literally unemployable in conventional terms can find a living, these are literally the best times to be alive in history.
She's not even allowed to drive because of her motor ticcs


I for one think the world would be a better place without bitter people like you
Instead of someone with long term depression and a very anti social disorder/disability who manages to find her niche career when literally the only job she could get is picking up seaglass and sell it or live off of disability benefits like shitton of people do in council estates in the UK

Just think for a minute about that

like seriously
she'd be straight up killed in the past
or be in an asylum and gotten a lobotomy
Instead she can make a living and show other people with the same disease it's okay to be who they are
If this is what capitalism in 21st century is
It's fucking amazing let me tell you

Seriously calling an unemployable disabled person for being desperate to make a living jesus christ man wtf is wrong with you :D

And yeah
I understand a lot of her income will come from weirdos on the internet and that's part of the job
doesn't put down what she's doing

no clue why I got so triggered lol
Fucking love capitalism
and people in rough situations making it in life!

And I never watched women streamers, don't follow Instagram models etc.
This is different in my mind and she's a very unique person

Would pay no mind to Loco. Fucking antinatalist bernie bro.

I have nothing at all against her, I'm saying it's just another indictment of the current system when people are pushed into turning their disability into entertainment value. The commodification of mental health shouldn't be a thing. You shouldn't have to resort to streaming video games (or sell your body) to a bunch of nerds on Twitch at all, but this is taking it to the next level. She produces nothing of value and has 220k subscribes on YouTube, making montages of her tourette's and people's reactions to it. And it works only because she's pretty.

She is not unemployable, she just can't really work with the public, unless she is very good at suppressing it in public (many are). Maybe she is actually very good at suppressing her verbal ticks but she "lets loose" for the sake of her viewers' interests, we can't know. Even if she was unemployable, she should have disability benefits, and feel no need to monetize her disability. It's strangely reminiscent of old freak shows, but at least she has no one deciding for her when she has to work.

Also you're a hypocrite. If she was a slightly overweight girl with a flat chest and a dollar-sized mole on her forehead but she had the exact same "life philosophy" and gaming skills you would be paying zero attention to her.

No it actually made me look into tourettes, and many other people as well, and people with it seem to be very thankful to her for bringing the awareness out

Ethan from h3h3 has a very mild version of it (eyebrow twitches)
And he's just entertaining, so is she

My sister has a disability and believe me the world needs more people showing young people like her that she doesn't have to passively stay home depressed and on benefits
But that she can actually can get accepted and not hide and find people that do accept her

You're right in her looks and build how she looks but in a different way
For me at least
That it just adds to her comedic timing
That's where humour comes from
When things Appear where you don't expect them to
Why a rough looking guy wouldn't have that automatically

What does it matter that you were ignorant about Tourette's and you now know a little bit about it because of her? It doesn't do anyone any good. "Spreading awareness" has absolutely no meaning if it doesn't lead to action. Like, if someone sees a GSP video against bullying and they stop bullying, he has raised awareness. You just got information that satisfied some personal curiosity. There's probably hundreds of disabilities you don't know about, are you going to look into them too?

"passively stay home on benefits" -- it's more dignified to be on benefits and actually do the things you love than cater to some weirdos' fetishes on the internet. She's having parasocial relationships with people, she's not developing great friendships and building a great life for herself developing some skills. There are people out there who would accept her and with whom she could build reciprocal relationships. We don't live in the 15th century where the average adult would think she is possessed by the devil. She doesn't need the internet, in fact she is basically trading her soul for money because of it. I am not blaming her, I would do the same in her situation, that's why I blame the social structures. I don't think it's a dignified life and I hope she won't do it for very long.

Communists are so sad. It's fucking awesome this chick can make money and create a brand and do well. I guarantee people would rather feel good about building something for themselves, rather then be on disability and being reliant on the rest of the population to support them through taxation.

This girl has literally made a life for herself, and Loco just to keep her down leeching money from tax payers.

You know what. Was a long day yesterday and I just got triggered
But people have different values and understanding of the world.

For me and pretty much all the people on disability I know staying on benefits not having things for yourself to do Instead of feel like you're making it yourself is pretty depressing.

But I met people who say having a job is ridiculous and you don't have to be the part of the system that live in squats on purpose.


So I appreciate you have different set of values Loco, one of the reasons of why I love capitalism and democracy, you have the freedom to do that, mostly. And that's how pretty much all comedians and entertainers are successfull anyways. They polarize and attract a fanbase, but inevitably repel other subsets of population, and that's okay

On January 17 2019 01:27 Trav94 wrote: Communists are so sad. It's fucking awesome this chick can make money and create a brand and do well. I guarantee people would rather feel good about building something for themselves, rather then be on disability and being reliant on the rest of the population to support them through taxation. This girl has literally made a life for herself, and Loco just to keep her down leeching money from tax payers.

LOL if you think that a disabled person will normally forgo their benefits -- their social security -- because they have found a supplementary source of income. You are really naive.

I'm doing the opposite of "trying to keep her down", I said I would do the same thing in her situation, didn't I? My point is that it's not a good life. Being a twitch streamer is just another grind, and grinding isn't living. You talk about her like she's living a dream life. She is doing this out of necessity. She's not being truly appreciated, she's not growing as a person or creating something of value, she is not even popular because of her gaming skills but because of her looks and the fact that she is a freak show and she turns people on by saying inappropriate sexual things uncontrollably.

The difference between me and you is that I have respect for human life, for human potential. I see the most complex organic machine that can be found in the known universe being reduced to different forms of slave labor -- when I know that it is not necessary -- and it makes me sad. This is an auto-exploitative form of labor, she exploits herself, her disability, for attention and money. This is assuming that the whole thing is not a hoax since she has apparently zero proof of the many extraordinary claims she has made about herself and her life, like living with 200 animals. (By the way, that's one of the things you can do, take care of animals for a living, Tourette's doesn't prevent that, and it's actually useful.) Here's what a reporter said: "Even among Anita’s big fans, there are those who can’t believe the whole story, or that a person’s life could be this rich with improbability. But in four weeks of reporting, I wasn’t able to get corroborating evidence about the most colorful details of Anita’s life. As it stands, this is her account, shared by her."

The reporter also says, "She says she receives hundreds of messages each time she streams from men propositioning her for any variety of things. “We all know what it’s like to go to a bar or a club and have someone you’re not interested in come onto you,” Anita said, laughing. “It feels a little like that, but instead of one dude, it’s a couple thousand.” and also: "Sometimes, a viewer will offer her a monetary donation and, to trigger Anita’s Tourette’s, writes that word in the message description. It’s not fun and games to her. If she tics too much, she says, it exacerbates an autoimmune disorder that causes her to vomit blood.

“People think it’s funny to trigger me with trigger words but what they see they think is very cute and funny. What they don’t see is the aftermath when I can’t speak properly for a few days, and I can’t eat or I start puking blood. "

Wow, what a dream life indeed.

well she's learning
has mods now that autoban ppl that trigger stuff

It's standard twitch environment if you hate that you'd hate all streamers

Comedians get hecklers IRL too and online it's just multiplied

Big difference is that twitch streamers aren't useful. Not saying that everything that exists should be useful, but comedians are useful, they use humour to pass messages that they otherwise couldn't pass, to get people to think differently (at least that's the comedy I like). Often times the hecklers get owned by the comedian and you get to see their wits in real-time. They are also not dealing with the anonymity of the internet and all of the toxicity that this brings out in people, so it's minor in comparison. And it's short. You don't have to grind that shit for hours every day because you know you have to take advantage of the time where you're popular before people move on to the next new interesting thing. As a comedian you can spend a lot of time on yourself, living, reading, while you're creating a new routine. It's a creative endeavour. Making highlight videos from streaming is essentially mechanical.

I mean
you're complaining about people making money on the internet on an internet forum here
I have great respect for streamers and youtubers that put the grind in, as I do respect comedians who definitely don't have it easy

As I said we clearly have different set of values and that's okay, I respect that.

That's not at all what I've been doing, I've expressed my concern that we live in an age of abundance and yet the most vulnerable people have to subject themselves to undignified work and find ways to convince themselves that they love it, and on top of this it's labor that doesn't produce any value. I'm sure she has other passions or will eventually have other passions that she would like to put most of her time into, but she won't be able to, she has to capitalize on this opportunity to monetize her illness while it lasts. I think it's sad. It's okay if you don't see that.

yeah
I see value in streamers
She had positive impact on my mindset for sure
Entertainment industry as a whole plays big role in society, judge it or not it's nice to wind down watching admiralbulldog or her
Poker itself is a subset of the entertainment industry and I love it, and proud of it, it's just the times we live in

Again our values are different, I know how communism turns people into massive cunts and degenerates society, just ask my parents, the mindset of the people in my country is still recovering from the bitterness 30 years after they were overthrown here

It's pretty much impossible for me not to appreciate what amazing times we are living where things like this are possible, but you're from a different environment and won't see the same.
Btw she does NOT have to work - UK has a reasonable social system, council housing + disability benefits where you can have an okay life in non-expensive areas (compared to Czech republic at least)...if you're okay with just leeching from the government.

I'm not a communist. Anarchists and communists are not friends, since communists have a habit of, you know, killing them. I doubt your parents are very educated about political economy, but okay. At least they probably won't live long enough to see the fishless oceans that are predicted for 2048 that their beloved capitalism brought about. It's pretty rich to call people degenerates when you have the most degenerate of all professions in the world and you are very proud of it.

She doesn't have to work, but she still feels the necessity to do it, just like I did after I had banked my first $100k year in poker. Was I going to starve if I stopped playing? No. No one wants to just scrape by and rent a place forever. When you have an opportunity to make a lot of money, you capitalize on it, you don't know how long it's going to last. Often times, your dignity and your mental health take the hit.

Yes, we live in amazing times, rich with possibilities. What does Twitch contribute to that? Nothing. It's a mind-numbing form of entertainment that turns people into addicts and creates parasocial relationships devoid of meaning. We also live in the most dangerous times in the history of this planet with regards to sentient life, and yet most of us are too distracted (by things like Twitch) to do anything about it.

Guess who's back Hope i bump to you on tables

I called communism degenerating society as a whole
There's no question about that I think and has happened every time it was actually applied in practice
I guess it will be hard for someone to appreciate what we have and this is the best realistic system if you haven't lived in an oppressed communist society.

The fish argument is just bizarre man
You can't on one hand complain about twitch as a whole that it's murdering the oceans...
while at the same time r wasting your time on a poker forum built on an industry you don't want any part of responding to a person that loves poker twitch and all the modern possibilities instead of actually taking tangible action towards your actual values, that makes no sense to me.

Isn't putting down other people's values while doing the same thing they do pretty much a definition of hypocrisy?

Twitch provides entertainment and a voice + a conduit to entertainers and thoughta that wouldn't reach an audience otherwise

What do you think about her mindset for example in the second video I posted?

Lemon,

I love your continual usage of the term Leech™. It's like we've all grown up with it right? Those damn lazy niggers. drug addicts with no will power, and disability cheats. What about the 1% leeching countless amounts of capital from the 99% through labor, tax exemptions, off shore accounts, et al?

On January 17 2019 10:41 Loco wrote: I see the most complex organic machine that can be found in the known universe being reduced to different forms of slave labor -- when I know that it is not necessary -- and it makes me sad.

How do you know
I mean, "know" is a strong word for an anarchist, "believe" seems more appropriate ( given the history of mankind so far )

On January 18 2019 21:18 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On January 17 2019 10:41 Loco wrote: I see the most complex organic machine that can be found in the known universe being reduced to different forms of slave labor -- when I know that it is not necessary -- and it makes me sad. How do you know I mean, "know" is a strong word for an anarchist, "believe" seems more appropriate ( given the history of mankind so far )

I don't know what your definition of necessity is but I'll clarify what I mean by it. There's a couple ways to interpret what I said there depending on the frame of reference. Obviously, if someone's labor is being exploited because they have no other choice to put food on the table, it's necessary for them to do so. The frame of reference I was using is the macro one. In our world, food is not scarce, it's overproduced (by 1.5 times), so the reason they wouldn't have food if, say, they didn't work for a while due to illness, has nothing to do with scarcity, yes? As such it is not necessary that people starve to death when there's food nearby. Excluding exceptional circumstances, if it's happening, it is because some humans are deciding to do it to other humans. Now, I know that this behavior is not hardwired because there is no evidence that it is, but there is evidence that it is learned, so I don't use the word "belief". I also know that it's not happening because of God-created cosmic predeterminism. "Know" in both instances simply means "based on evidence".

If you want to talk about necessity and the history of mankind in the context of this thread, for 99.9% of our history we didn't exist in social structures that incentivized that we turn ourselves into a brand in order to "succeed in life". It's not necessary, and it's certainly not progress. There is overwhelming data that shows that this is nefarious for our individual health and overwhelming evidence that its source -- neoliberal ideology -- is the most destructive force in human history, and so it will have to go if humans value life (which they do). It's not staying because it's accomplishing something of value, but because of collective ignorance. That it has to be overcome is not something that is predicated upon the feasibility of anarchism.

On January 18 2019 11:42 LemOn[5thF] wrote: I called communism degenerating society as a whole There's no question about that I think and has happened every time it was actually applied in practice I guess it will be hard for someone to appreciate what we have and this is the best realistic system if you haven't lived in an oppressed communist society. The fish argument is just bizarre man You can't on one hand complain about twitch as a whole that it's murdering the oceans... while at the same time r wasting your time on a poker forum built on an industry you don't want any part of responding to a person that loves poker twitch and all the modern possibilities instead of actually taking tangible action towards your actual values, that makes no sense to me. Isn't putting down other people's values while doing the same thing they do pretty much a definition of hypocrisy?

Communism is defined as a classless, moneyless and stateless society. Can you tell me when that has existed and how it failed?

"You can't on one hand complain about twitch as a whole that it's murdering the oceans..."

Sure I can. I can even make a stronger case that might upset you, but hear me out. Say someone is addicted to Pokemon Go, and they really want to catch that pokemon they've been chasing for a long time. While they're on their way there, they stumble upon someone who is about to rape a girl in a dark alley at night. The girl has been overpowered and silenced. She's doomed unless this guy chooses to abandon his game and interfere. That decision right there has everything to do with the kind of education this person has had to develop their moral sense, and how badly they want to chase their carrot on a stick for personal prestige. If the culture this person lives in hasn't given them a moral education, but on the other hand incentivizes people to develop highly addictive games, and allows people in positions of power to facilitate indoctrinating people into consuming them, then it is understandable that this person would end up chasing the pokemon instead of helping, just like it is understandable that someone who has been abused throughout their childhood and who took up heroin to escape the pain ends up stealing money from someone they like in order to purchase it.

In case you don't realize the point that I'm trying to make here, I am pointing out the structural causes that have determined these individuals' behaviors, by influencing the reward system in their brains. These are not moral failings in a vacuum. The person wasting his life away on Twitch is a victim of the socio-economic structures they exist in just like the junkie is. It's the same with this girl who was pushed into monetizing her illness, but of course she's better off than a lot of people, and if someone values fame and money above everything else, then they won't think that she is a victim at all, in fact they might envy her. Now, If you say current late stage neoliberal capitalism is the best possible system, then you're essentially saying that it is influencing people to be the best versions of themselves possible. Yet these kinds of scenarios are actually possible under this "best system", and the main reason our oceans are dying is because people are too distracted by the many things they desire to consume to do anything about it, so I think it's pretty clear that it's not? I don't know why you insist on a false dichotomy between communism and capitalism, or why you insist on praising a system that is failing so hard.

How am I not taking steps towards my values? First of all, we are both human beings, so our values are not that different. Secondly, my values are worthless if I can't share information with others, which is what I'm doing here. If I was an elitist and I thought you were too stupid to understand what I'm saying, then I wouldn't bother, and then I'd be an hypocrite as a leftist who believes society has to change. Society is made up of people like you. The only way to change things is to talk with people you don't agree with. Are you saying that poker players are lost causes? That you have stopped thinking and learning and there is literally zero chance that you or other people reading this will use it as food for thought and possibly change their views?

Why would you categorize someone like this as unemployable? She's popular on twitch because she's a solid 7 with flaws that make her attainable which really appeals to the kinds of people who watch gamer streams. Herego she's just using her physicality as a tool which many women do. Plenty of people would hire her on looks/cuteness factor alone.

She is more or less un-hireable for any employment that interfaces with customers. She would have to get lucky in finding a unicorn manager and/or niche market/brand (which she has done but at what cost?). I don't think you could even stick her buried in a cubicle somewhere doing data entry. She would be disruptive to the other worker bees. I don't think you realize how allergic most corporations are to "damaged goods."

Well, there are exceptions to the Twitch being useless thing

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/366901309?t=12h02m12s

On January 19 2019 13:20 RiKD wrote: She is more or less un-hireable for any employment that interfaces with customers. She would have to get lucky in finding a unicorn manager and/or niche market/brand (which she has done but at what cost?). I don't think you could even stick her buried in a cubicle somewhere doing data entry. She would be disruptive to the other worker bees. I don't think you realize how allergic most corporations are to "damaged goods."

Yeah lol
like she'd literally slap an ass of everyone she sees bending over
Or spontaneously punches people's solar plexus
And makes Wanking gestures

pretty much rules out working in any corporation

Dunno about the others countries, but here in france, it's mandatory for the industries that employs more than 20 employees to have at least 5% of handicapped people. Otherwise they're paying a fine (which is probably dependent of the company whether they can employ them or not, I guess).

Oh great. So, it's just another EV calculation for upper management and/or CEO. One of my best friends has a disability. She has a bone disease that causes her a lot of pain. She eeks it out and I mean fucking EEKs it out on her disability payments. She lives in one of the "worst" neighborhoods in Pittsburgh meaning you hear gun shots on the regular and can visibly see the crack dealings going down daily. On the other hand I have met a lot of her neighbors and some of them are really great people which actually lowered my prejudices at the time (some of them are not so desirable people). I am a privileged white boy from the suburbs of Ohio. I never drove into the hood at night to share coffee and conversation on rocking chairs out on a porch in the fresh spring breeze under a bright, big moon. She was also trapped by Medicaire and Big Pharm. When we are talking about medicine cabinets I am talking about a fucking MEDICINE CABINET. She is a recovering alcoholic and drug addict and just said fuck it and decided to source her own marijuana edibles for the pain. That worked brilliantly but then she was ostracized from AA and many of her "friends" stopped speaking to her. Sometimes she thought about working at the local Dollar General within walking distance (she has no car, barely enough for a bus pass) but what is the point? I mean she said she gets bored and lonely sometimes but working will fuck with her disability payments so what is the point?

5% seems really high? That is 5 out of 100 (obv). What do they consider "handicapped"? I am a fucking terribly, horrible alcoholic (in recovery) and Bipolar I Disorder and I have never even sniffed at getting disability. In South Carolina, they won't even consider you for Medicare unless you have cancer or are pregnant. The letter I received on the issue made it sound like I needed to both be pregnant and have cancer. I don't even want to drone on. Fuck government. Fuck corporations. There IS a better system.

Basically dude, you wanna fuck this girl. We get it, so does probably nearly every dude watching. There's probably a legion of 12 year old boys fapping to her VODs as we speak. I've seen a few similar streams and they are bad for your mind in many ways. Biggest one is the illusion of intimacy and contact (being inside her personal space/room) and the dream of connecting with her (chat, donation, whatever)... it is a predatory structure that feeds on lonliness and desperation for profit. So if I try to watch a stream like that, I just say to myself, "well, i'd hit that" -> close the fuckin' stream -> go meet real hot available women instead. I know one person with tourettes and he doesn't like it one bit when anyone records him or makes fun of his ticks. So, it's great she's seemingly having a laugh about it but you know she wishes she didn't have it.