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lucky331   . Sep 02 2018 14:49. Posts 1124 | | |
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FrinkX   United States. Sep 02 2018 15:03. Posts 7561 | | |
ksl just ending asl just beginning
no multi month wait
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here's the VOD for group A
http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/36579624
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lol game 1
lol game 2 (killer (baxter) big build order advantage and still just.. dies really easily)
fantastic game by JD in game 3, that build order on that map is absolute genius. Even then, if consume finished like 2-3 seconds later he might have died, but it was pretty great either way.
sloppy game 4 by the two players that really weren't good enough to qualify. (losing drone vs scouting probe is like.. come on. progamers really shouldn't do that.)
and a very entertaining, but also kinda terrible game 5. tastosis completely neglect to mention it all game, but man.. killer squanders this so hard. he stays on 2-1 carapace-melee upgrades for like, 10+ minutes. 4-1 ultralisks vs 3-3 marines vs 5-2 ultralisks vs 3-3 marines is huge - marines go from needing 100 shots to needing 134 (+ healing), and ultralisks end up needing 3 instead of 2 hits against a marine that is getting healed. I actually get why he's not using more defilers offensively (circuit breaker has a huge open area, dark swarm is only really good for ultraling vs marines when you manage to corner them, and irradiate normally kills the defilers before they can really throw the juicy plagues.
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 02 2018 17:18. Posts 9634 | | |
| On September 02 2018 14:16 Liquid`Drone wrote:
here's the VOD for group A
http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/36579624
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lol game 1
lol game 2 (killer (baxter) big build order advantage and still just.. dies really easily)
fantastic game by JD in game 3, that build order on that map is absolute genius. Even then, if consume finished like 2-3 seconds later he might have died, but it was pretty great either way.
sloppy game 4 by the two players that really weren't good enough to qualify. (losing drone vs scouting probe is like.. come on. progamers really shouldn't do that.)
and a very entertaining, but also kinda terrible game 5. tastosis completely neglect to mention it all game, but man.. killer squanders this so hard. he stays on 2-1 carapace-melee upgrades for like, 10+ minutes. 4-1 ultralisks vs 3-3 marines vs 5-2 ultralisks vs 3-3 marines is huge - marines go from needing 100 shots to needing 134 (+ healing), and ultralisks end up needing 3 instead of 2 hits against a marine that is getting healed. I actually get why he's not using more defilers offensively (circuit breaker has a huge open area, dark swarm is only really good for ultraling vs marines when you manage to corner them, and irradiate normally kills the defilers before they can really throw the juicy plagues.
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I mean.. game 5 ... cmon he should NEVER be losing that game, he doesnt need defilers defensively, he just needed 2 plagues to finish it off, except for good 10 minutes he only had 1 defiler at a time and no plague... plus attacking that terran expansion while he s going for ur base was kind of terrible ... he literally had control over the whole map, killed insane amounts of vessels and still ended up losing.. dafuck |
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blackjacki2   United States. Sep 02 2018 17:52. Posts 2581 | | |
Please use spoilers when posting results, especially when it's less than 24 hours since the match aired. Matches are at bad hours for a lot of people due to time zone differences so a lot of people here don't watch live and come here looking for links to streams. |
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blackjacki2   United States. Sep 02 2018 20:34. Posts 2581 | | |
| On September 02 2018 14:16 Liquid`Drone wrote:
here's the VOD for group A
http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/36579624
+ Show Spoiler +
lol game 1
lol game 2 (killer (baxter) big build order advantage and still just.. dies really easily)
fantastic game by JD in game 3, that build order on that map is absolute genius. Even then, if consume finished like 2-3 seconds later he might have died, but it was pretty great either way.
sloppy game 4 by the two players that really weren't good enough to qualify. (losing drone vs scouting probe is like.. come on. progamers really shouldn't do that.)
and a very entertaining, but also kinda terrible game 5. tastosis completely neglect to mention it all game, but man.. killer squanders this so hard. he stays on 2-1 carapace-melee upgrades for like, 10+ minutes. 4-1 ultralisks vs 3-3 marines vs 5-2 ultralisks vs 3-3 marines is huge - marines go from needing 100 shots to needing 134 (+ healing), and ultralisks end up needing 3 instead of 2 hits against a marine that is getting healed. I actually get why he's not using more defilers offensively (circuit breaker has a huge open area, dark swarm is only really good for ultraling vs marines when you manage to corner them, and irradiate normally kills the defilers before they can really throw the juicy plagues.
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Just finished the stream and had the same thoughts for the entire 2nd half of game 5. Really surprised Tastosis didn't catch that. It's clear the Korean casters were talking about it because the observer was clicking on the evo chamber and circling over the upgrades with the cursor when clicking on zerg units. A single upgrade essentially makes marines do 25% less damage on your ultras, I seriously don't understand how a progamer can overlook that. I just really don't understand it. It must be really frustrating if you're a fan of Killer. Seems like the 2 most deserving players went through today. |
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FrinkX   United States. Sep 03 2018 13:24. Posts 7561 | | |
we prob dont need more than 1 starcraft thread tho. would avoid noob spoilers like in this one |
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Daut   United States. Sep 04 2018 17:44. Posts 8955 | | |
Drone, what are your thoughts on the new maps? Do you have those race to race stats on them? And what changes did they make to Neo Transistor? |
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I don't have any stats for neo transistor vs regular transistor, and I haven't been as active the past couple months so I'm a bit out of the loop. I think neo transistor was changed to make the ramps wider (making defending the main bases a bit worse), but I think they reverted them after that again. honestly don't know how it differs right now.
Autobahn, Sylphide and Circuit breaker have some games played though. (well circuit breaker has been around for a long time and has a LOT of games)
They look good for terran tbh.
CB is
TvP: 463-382 (54.8%)
ZvP: 341-216 (61.2%)
TvZ: 570-424 (57.3%)
Autobahn
TvP: 34-26 (56.7%)
ZvP: 46-37 (55.4%)
TvZ: 43-25 (63.2%)
Sylphide
TvP: 62-46 (57.4%)
ZvP: 29-36 (44.6%)
TvZ: 44-18 (71%)
There are ELO-adjusted stats also, and the maps end up looking a bit less terran favored when taking those into account (as always, Flash is the terran player who plays the most sponsored matches, which is what these statistics are derived from), but still, terran looks strong.
Transistor is one exception though - but this is mostly from the old Transistor. (and once again, I don't know exactly how neo transistor differs, if the changes made terran better) - however they're not playing that in the ro24 anyway
There you have
TvP: 124-160 (43.77%. actually goes all the way down to 36.9% when adjusting for ELO)
ZvP: 393-309 (56%)
TvZ: 246-231 (51.6%)
Just from looking at the maps, I think Sylphide genuinely is a pretty solidly terran favored map. tvz is somewhat terran favored in the current meta on most maps, but in tvp, it's pretty great for t because they can expand towards the protoss while keeping high ground positions that are pretty much impossible for protoss to push towards. Autobahn I think things might well change with more games being played.
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I think JD's build order in his zvt there was absolutely brilliant and one that might slightly change the meta - he didn't win that game because he took an undetected ninja expansion, he won because successfully taking that expansion makes it 100% impossible for terran to defend against lurker ling defiler attacks.
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whammbot   Belarus. Sep 06 2018 05:37. Posts 517 | | |
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lucky331   . Sep 06 2018 08:53. Posts 1124 | | |
| On September 06 2018 04:37 whammbot wrote:
is Flash dead? |
the donger can do iiiit! |
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Expiate   Bulgaria. Sep 12 2018 12:14. Posts 236 | | |
New generation is stronger. Flash/JD era is done. |
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FrinkX   United States. Sep 13 2018 17:00. Posts 7561 | | |
games have sucked pretty hard for the most part, hopefully ro16 is better |
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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 14 2018 08:46. Posts 34246 | | |
this is exactly the same event as other thread right? should I merge the threads? |
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Ex-PokerStars Team Pro Online | |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 14 2018 08:57. Posts 9634 | | |
| On September 14 2018 07:46 Baalim wrote:
this is exactly the same event as other thread right? should I merge the threads? |
yes and rename the merged thread to Starcraft Events or something like that |
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lucky331   . Sep 14 2018 12:02. Posts 1124 | | |
| On September 14 2018 07:46 Baalim wrote:
this is exactly the same event as other thread right? should I merge the threads? |
nope. it's not exactly the same event. this is afreeca star league organized by a korean company. the other one is korea starcraft league organized by blizzard.
but go ahead, merge it. |
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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 15 2018 06:30. Posts 34246 | | |
but the VODs being played and groups are the same |
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Baalim   Mexico. Sep 15 2018 06:34. Posts 34246 | | |
i was having some bandwith problem with the Afreeca.tv vod anyone else experienced it? I have 200Mb so it was not on my end, it wasnt terrible but not perfect |
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PoorUser   United States. Sep 15 2018 06:57. Posts 7471 | | |
there is a youtube stream/vod of asl games |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 18 2018 22:35. Posts 9634 | | |
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