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Expiate   Bulgaria. Oct 23 2018 18:47. Posts 236 | | |
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The two best are in the finals. Games will deliver for sure.
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Really excited for the finals, btw when are the semifinals?
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 23 2018 20:05. Posts 9634 | | |
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nothing unexpected, tho shuttle had his chances
| On October 23 2018 19:03 alejandicto wrote:
Really excited for the finals, btw when are the semifinals?
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those were the semi finals
Flash vs SHuttle & Effort vs Last
if you re asking about the finals - not quite sure, liquidpedia says 28th October for the final which is this Sunday, but no info about the 3rd place match |
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whammbot   Belarus. Oct 24 2018 00:30. Posts 517 | | |
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Effort needs to instill some fear in Flash by showing all those all-in builds. Otherwise it's just another "Flash is playing with his food" type of finals. A scrappy Zerg has a better chance of fucking with Flash's builds than any Zerg build out there. I feel if Flash knows you can go five games doing all-in builds it allows you to set up for a macro game more. Most of Flash's losses vs Z in the past finals e.g. Effort, JD had been to finely crafted allins that makes him more tentative in setting up his perfect builds. Jangbi has had most success vs Flash precisely because he's such a fearless, crafty player who gambles a lot in big games
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Yeah my bad I wanted to know about the 3rd place
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Misjka   Netherlands. Oct 25 2018 09:09. Posts 266 | | |
Thanks Expiate and Whammbot for not using spoilers
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Expiate   Bulgaria. Oct 25 2018 09:25. Posts 236 | | |
You have misread something, I always use spoilers. |
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blackjacki2   United States. Oct 25 2018 11:27. Posts 2581 | | |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 25 2018 12:21. Posts 9634 | | |
whammbot basically spoils the whole semifinals, can u spoiler his post or delete it btw |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 26 2018 10:32. Posts 9634 | | |
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/324180327
KSL Group A - Rain VS Light and Where vs Action, I'm just gonna say that all matches were so fucking good. Other groups are in the same channel, will post them when i watch them |
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Expiate   Bulgaria. Oct 26 2018 13:33. Posts 236 | | |
Ok, I got this PM:
"This is a Warning!
use spoiler tags
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
The Mod Staff
(Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.)"
I just saw it is for the top post from this page, which I do NOT consider a spoiler thus I will stop posting in threads requiring spoilers since I obviously misunderstand your interpretation of the spoiler definition and I don't want to get a ban for something like this. |
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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Oct 26 2018 14:01. Posts 9634 | | |
Your warning is a joke I dont see how "the two best are in the final" is a spoiler, its more of a tautology |
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Expiate   Bulgaria. Oct 26 2018 15:54. Posts 236 | | |
Well, the two best for me could be player A and B, while the two best for you could be C and D - this is not a spoiler for me (I haven't named any players etc). |
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whammbot   Belarus. Oct 27 2018 00:42. Posts 517 | | |
the seven people that post in this site are pissed off with my spoilers |
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| On October 26 2018 14:54 Expiate wrote:
Well, the two best for me could be player A and B, while the two best for you could be C and D - this is not a spoiler for me (I haven't named any players etc). |
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At the very least, the 'Two best' in the finals means Flash is in the finals. I agree that it doesn't necessarily mean a Flash vs Effort finals but comon, don't say that it isn't obvious from the statement that Flash won his match. |
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Expiate   Bulgaria. Oct 27 2018 12:04. Posts 236 | | |
| don't say that it isn't obvious from the statement that Flash won his match. |
If it is obvious mate, it is not a spoiler aka you already know for yourself Flash will be there, if you don't then how do you know I consider Flash among the two best from these 4 players (I am not Artosis in disguise and I never ever wrote on these forums before I consider either one of these two as "Best", and even if I did the two best statement might relate to their current form).
It's your mind which relates statements to facts, not my writings requiring spoilers. |
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Flash is the undisputed best player in the world; there is not a close second either. Therefore, if he is the best in the world, he is also one of the two best out of the 4 players remaining (talk about a trivial logical jump. lol )
Of course ex-ante it is very likely he will be in the finals, let's say 95% he will win his match. It is not a certainty however.
If anyone who knows even the smallest info about the Starcraft scene says "Wow the best player in the world isn't in the finals" or "The best player is in the finals again", this is the exact same statement as saying "Flash lost his match" or "Flash won his match". I don't care much that you said that, and I don't think it was some egregious sin or something, I am just more dumbfounded by your insistence that you didn't spoil it.
You did spoil it, everybody makes mistakes sometimes and it's not a big deal, don't worry about it.
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Expiate   Bulgaria. Oct 27 2018 14:59. Posts 236 | | |
| If anyone who knows even the smallest info about the Starcraft scene says "Wow the best player in the world isn't in the finals" or "The best player is in the finals again", this is the exact same statement as saying "Flash lost his match" or "Flash won his match". |
Not if one means the current form of the player and you can't know what is meant exactly by that statement. For example "the two best" in previous Afreeca did not include Flash. Simple logic.
Tell the mod to fix his mistake (and remove the warning) or I'll stop posting in spoiler threads. There is no third option here. |
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Hmm, I'm not sure what I should say that would illustrate my point more clearly.
Of course you could say 'when I said best player you don't know in what way I'm talking about, I might have meant the players with the best shuttle micro and therefore you don't know if I'm talking about Flash or not." Given you said no such specification and the context of the thread though, it would be ridiculous. It would be almost as absurd if I said
"OMG I can't believe shuttle won, what an epic match" and if you bitched at me for telling you the results of his Starcraft match, I would say "well I wasn't necessarily talking about his starcraft game... I was actually talking about a pickup soccer game he played in yesterday". Given the place and time I made the statement, nearly everybody would understand it to mean he won the last starcraft match that he played.
If you still disagree with what I say, we would probably have to discuss logic and information/signalling at a much more basic level, which I'm sure neither of us have time for. |
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Alright, can't help myself, so I guess I'll waste a bit more time.
As a poker player you probably have an understanding of signalling and how statements and actions give away information about all kinds of things. In this thread, you can think of a spoiler as anything that gives away information about potential match or game results. For example, in my previous post, I said "I am going to watch the last game 6 times", indicating the last game was good. Notice I was careful to not say which game, because that could give away information about game results. Let's say that the game I liked happened in game 5 of the match for instance: if I said "I'm going to watch the 5th game 6 times", once you get to game 4, you know the results of game 4 before the game even starts, because you know the match goes to a 5th game.
Another example: lets say Rain plays a match and someone says "holy cow I just can't believe how good Rain is, he is playing unbelievably well". I think you might say this isn't a spoiler because it didn't state whether Rain lost or won, only that he played extremely well. However, this statement signals a large amount of info: a smart reader might not be 100% certain that Rain won after reading it, however the conditional probability of Rain having won given that someone wrote that statement is extremely high.
Similarly, if someone came into the thread right after elimination matches involving Flash and said "Well, looks like the best player isn't in the ASL finals two seasons in a row", it is sending an extremely strong signal about what happened in Flash's match. Sure, the person didn't explicitly say Flash lost, but still a lot of information has been received by knowing readers.
So rule of thumb: just think about what you wrote and what information it signals, and if a person could adjust their probabilities of which player was going to win based on what you said, just throw it in spoilers to be safe |
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