- Gadzhimurad Antigulov was expected to face Ion Cutelaba at the event. However, Antigulov pulled out of the fight on September 26 citing an injury. He was replaced by promotional newcomer Michal Oleksiejczuk on October 13.
- Patrick Cummins was expected to face The Ultimate Fighter: Team Edgar vs. Team Penn light heavyweight winner Corey Anderson at this event. However on October 17, Cummins pulled out due to a resistant staph infection. He was replaced by former interim UFC Light Heavyweight Championship challenger Ovince Saint Preux on October 19.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 29 2017 21:44. Posts 13184
Speaking as a non-fan of UFC, this card looks awesome. GSP is back! I didn't even know. I saw today that he's coming to my gym in a few weeks too for some weird bodybuilding event. Couple of the other fights seem interesting too.
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PuertoRican United States. Oct 30 2017 02:27. Posts 13184
On October 30 2017 00:11 Loco wrote:
Speaking as a non-fan of UFC, this card looks awesome. GSP is back! I didn't even know. I saw today that he's coming to my gym in a few weeks too for some weird bodybuilding event. Couple of the other fights seem interesting too.
Yeah, it'll be good to see GSP again.
The UFC has done terrible promoting UFC 217 for some reason. Nobody is aware that if GSP wins, he'll be one of the few people to have won a UFC title in two different weight classes -- only 3 people or so have done that.
Thompson vs. Masvidal will be fun because Masvidal will be in Thompson's face with various punches and make him work. Thompson is also a counter striker, so he'll be trying all types of spinning shit.
Garbrandt vs. Dillashaw has fireworks written all over it. No need to sell it with words.
I actually like Duffy vs. Vick. Both have similar skill sets, and both are on the bigger side for the division.
While I think Aiemann Zahabi (Firas Zahabi's little brother) lost his UFC debut and looked like shit after 1 round, he is clearly skilled. I look forward to seeing his improvements.
Why Bisping > GSP as first impression tho? Even if he hasn't fought for 3 years or whatever, GSP s still going to just put him on the ground all day long imo
This is an awesome card, dont know why there is not big marketing on this I mean GSP could be middleweight champion coming from retirement and TJ vs Cody is a big rivalry with a great story about ex friends.
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iakim322 United States. Nov 01 2017 05:57. Posts 1335
Masvidal > Thompson - Masvidal's good and tough enough to stay in Thompson's face all fight and Thompson's ability is all at range
Bisping > GSP - Just don't see GSP being able to do his GSP thing against someone who counts takedown defense as one of his strengths, is bigger, and is super active through every round he fights
Probably Cody > TJ though not too eager about -180. Cody > Cruz was really one of the most impressive performances in recent memory imo
Parlays in MMA are pretty dumb but I feel like Joanna, Walt, and Blaydes are in pretty free fights
I'm not the best MMA better, and i'm biaised as a french canadian, but i would favor GSP. Here is my opinion:
Reasons to bet GSP:
Bisping is bigger, but they actually have the same reach.
GSP is a special king of talent. Usually, when a special kind of talent moves up, he just tears apart people from the higher division. Just look at what Gastelum did to Kennedy. Or what RDA did to Neil Magny. But GSP is an even more special athelete than both of those guys. And i think Bisping is over rated. We're talking about one of the best champion ever, fightning someone who shouldn't be champion.
GSP is a very calculated guy. He isn't a Conor type of person who takes random fights he can't win. He never accepted fightning Silva. If he took this fight, GSP himself thinks he is a favorite to win it, i'm sure of that.
If this was a pure boxing match, i would clearly give the edge to Bisping. If this was a pure grappling match, i think Bisping could stuff GSP's take downs. But GSP isn't a one trick pony like Maia. He is dangerous both on the feets AND with his take downs. His timing is genius. I think this will be the key to GSP's victory. Be threatening on the feets, and come up with take downs out of nowhere to secure rounds.
The last times Bisping fought good wrestlers, it was Kennedy and Sonnen. Both of them beat him. And GSP is way better than those fighters.
GSP has a big home town advantage. GSP is huge in canada.
Reasons to bet Bisping
Ring rust is a thing. GSP claims he is better than ever, but i think you can never ignore a 4 years ring rust.
Bisping probably has more power than what GSP is used to, and GSP has been KOed before.
In theory, this is a good stylistic matchup for bisping.
Joanna is so gangster...
Rooting for Thompson and GSP aswell.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 02 2017 22:40. Posts 13184
On November 02 2017 19:41 Spitfiree wrote:
Isn't Madison square garden on Madison avenue in NYC ?
Nope.
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iakim322 United States. Nov 02 2017 23:37. Posts 1335
JJ's pre fight promotional shenanigans are getting a little tiresome imo. Though to be fair, I don't think the UFC has done a great job of promoting her in this event and in general. Feels like she needs a finish in this fight or at least several highlights for her train to really get faster
I like Rose's demeanor heading in even if I can't completely tell if she's in full DGAF mode or if she's not fully confident
Joanna suffers from the same problem as DJ. She has no real competition, so her fights are never very exciting.
And unlike Ronda did, she doesn't do spectacular finishes, she just grind decisions.
I mean don't get me wrong, i enjoy Joanna and DJ's fights, but they need real competition.
Difference between them and Jon Jones, for example, is Jones even tho he had that invincibility aura, he kept facing killers and u never felt 100% sure he would win his next fight.
On November 02 2017 23:36 Floofy wrote:
Joanna suffers from the same problem as DJ. She has no real competition, so her fights are never very exciting.
And unlike Ronda did, she doesn't do spectacular finishes, she just grind decisions.
I mean don't get me wrong, i enjoy Joanna and DJ's fights, but they need real competition.
Difference between them and Jon Jones, for example, is Jones even tho he had that invincibility aura, he kept facing killers and u never felt 100% sure he would win his next fight.
JJ vs Rose could be so easily promoted, they are both super badass, once JJ wins this the division is done though
I like how Bisping and GSP act promoting the fight, its trash talk but its funny and its not overly agressive e.g. McGregor - Mayweather type where you simply get sick of the acting ... its funny, its smooth and its chill
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 03 2017 23:54. Posts 13184
Ion Cutelaba removed from UFC 217 due to potential USADA violation
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 04 2017 00:53. Posts 13184
Michael Bisping (184.6) vs. Georges St-Pierre (184.4) – for middleweight title
Cody Garbrandt (135) vs. T.J. Dillashaw (134.8) – for bantamweight title
Joanna Jedrzejczyk (115) vs. Rose Namajunas (114) – for women’s strawweight title
Jorge Masvidal (171) vs. Stephen Thompson (170.4)
Paulo Costa (185.8) vs. Johny Hendricks (185.8)
Joseph Duffy (155.4) vs. James Vick (155.2)
Mark Godbeer (244) vs. Walt Harris (251.8)
Corey Anderson (205.4) vs. Ovince Saint Preux (205)
Randy Brown (170.8) vs. Mickey Gall (169.8)
Curtis Blaydes (258.8) vs. Aleksei Oleinik (246.2)
Ion Cutelaba (205.6) vs. Michal Oleksiejczuk (205.2)*
Ricardo Ramos (135.4) vs. Aiemann Zahabi (135.2)
*Cutelaba was pulled from the card at the last minute after being flagged by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency for a potential violation.
On November 02 2017 03:36 Floofy wrote:
I'm not the best MMA better, and i'm biaised as a french canadian, but i would favor GSP. Here is my opinion:
Reasons to bet GSP:
Bisping is bigger, but they actually have the same reach.
GSP is a special king of talent. Usually, when a special kind of talent moves up, he just tears apart people from the higher division. Just look at what Gastelum did to Kennedy. Or what RDA did to Neil Magny. But GSP is an even more special athelete than both of those guys. And i think Bisping is over rated. We're talking about one of the best champion ever, fightning someone who shouldn't be champion.
GSP is a very calculated guy. He isn't a Conor type of person who takes random fights he can't win. He never accepted fightning Silva. If he took this fight, GSP himself thinks he is a favorite to win it, i'm sure of that.
If this was a pure boxing match, i would clearly give the edge to Bisping. If this was a pure grappling match, i think Bisping could stuff GSP's take downs. But GSP isn't a one trick pony like Maia. He is dangerous both on the feets AND with his take downs. His timing is genius. I think this will be the key to GSP's victory. Be threatening on the feets, and come up with take downs out of nowhere to secure rounds.
The last times Bisping fought good wrestlers, it was Kennedy and Sonnen. Both of them beat him. And GSP is way better than those fighters.
GSP has a big home town advantage. GSP is huge in canada.
Reasons to bet Bisping
Ring rust is a thing. GSP claims he is better than ever, but i think you can never ignore a 4 years ring rust.
Bisping probably has more power than what GSP is used to, and GSP has been KOed before.
In theory, this is a good stylistic matchup for bisping.
Iol those are the worst rasons ever to bet GSP besides that he didnt do well vs good wrestlers before, however this was pre USADA, and GSP has never fought post-USADA, that combined with the fact that GSP has been retired for ages and smaller its an easy bet on Bisping
On November 02 2017 23:36 Floofy wrote:
Joanna suffers from the same problem as DJ. She has no real competition, so her fights are never very exciting.
And unlike Ronda did, she doesn't do spectacular finishes, she just grind decisions.
I mean don't get me wrong, i enjoy Joanna and DJ's fights, but they need real competition.
Difference between them and Jon Jones, for example, is Jones even tho he had that invincibility aura, he kept facing killers and u never felt 100% sure he would win his next fight.
JJ vs Rose could be so easily promoted, they are both super badass, once JJ wins this the division is done though
I'm not saying i won't watch it. Of course i will. Should be fun to watch. But i really dont think Rose has a shot.
1.) USADA plays a pretty important role.
GSP in his prime was almost as jucied up as Overeem.
Bisping however never was that type of guy.
I am pretty sure he has used stuff here and there (everybody has)... but he never was a living pharmacy shell.
GSP was !
This is a clear edge for Bisping
GSP for the first time fighting without being juiced up to the max...
Bisping fighting the same way he always fought his career.
Only good thing for GSP is that he had 4 years to prepare his body towards functioning without all that steroids...
GSP is not stupid and he probably adapted halfway decent withing this 4 years.
Still USADA makes it Bisping 1 - GSP 0
2.) Natural Size
Bisping is ~ 184cm and 208lbs (sherdog numbers on Size are definitely wrong)
GSP is 177cm and 195lbs
This will, even though GSP is as strong as Bisping make a difference.
From my personal experience ->
Size advantage makes it easier to not be taken down
Size advantage makes it easier to stand up after being taken down
Size advantage makes it easier to take punches
Size advantage makes it easier to dictate range
Pretty sure at several times in the fight GSP will take Bisping down
GSP is just too good of a wrestler.
It will cost him hell of a lot energy though and he wont be able to hold Bisping down for long.
-> Bisping 2 - GSP 0
3.) Ring Rust/ Off time
Dont think this plays an important role.
Bisping has been off 1 year and GSP 4 years...
Both basically have the same Problem.
1 year or 4 years doesnt really matter imo.
Still 2-0 Bisping
individual Skills
Bisping is solid on all levels.
Good Striking , Good takedown defence , good BJJ, good Wrestling
Bisping never was that extraordinary talent.
Always that guy who was good ... but never " really really insane" good
Gsp however was insane
This actually is the only edge GSP has
extraordinary talented guys sometimes come up with incredible solutions to seemingly overwhelming problems.
Bisping 2 - GSP 1
Overall i expect a clear descision win for Bisping 60% of the time
Late round TKO for Bisping 20% of the time
GSP pulling some miracle 20% of the time
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 04 2017 19:34. Posts 13184
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 04 2017 23:28. Posts 13184
and there goes my biggest parlay... meh time to chase :D
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 05 2017 02:21. Posts 13184
Godbeer got 91.5 points for getting his ass beat and winning a DQ...
What a fucking joke.
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iakim322 United States. Nov 05 2017 02:25. Posts 1335
That blew up my $33 DK lineup
Kind of a joke because it didn't seem like a fight ending shot
But Walt Harris is an idiot. Ref was halfway in between them already with his hands on Walt even before his leg was off the ground to kick. If they were going to stop the fight, feels like the DQ is justified over a no contest
PuertoRican United States. Nov 05 2017 03:32. Posts 13184
Costa just needs to tighten up his boxing defense, and he'll be amazing.
I didn't like how Hendricks started to land on him during the last 2 minutes of Round 1. If a real middleweight landed on him like that, he'd get fucked up.
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 05 2017 04:06. Posts 13184
Stupid ass Masvidal...
He waited until Round 3 to really try to close the distance. He needed to do that in R1.
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iakim322 United States. Nov 05 2017 04:13. Posts 1335
3 rd fight. So odd why Masvidal didn't pressure right away. I get that you risk getting counter ko'd but I thought Masvidal was one of the few gritty enough to do so. Fighting Thompson at range is nearly impossible. And now Masvidal isn't going to sniff the top 3-5 probably for the rest of his career
it seemed like Dana tried to clarify things with the ref before the decision was announced
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iakim322 United States. Nov 05 2017 04:39. Posts 1335
Should definitely be a submission win for Rose but it'll prob go down as TKO. Only saw the replay once but from what I saw, Joanna tapped and Rose immediately saw it and stopped
Pretty wild. I don't think JJ is ever going to be able to live this down after being such a domineering bully at all times and then tapping to strikes as champion. And I say that as being someone who really really enjoyed her rise
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traxamillion United States. Nov 05 2017 04:41. Posts 10468
now for the main event and best fight of the year
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traxamillion United States. Nov 05 2017 04:51. Posts 10468
these guys are so good, i hope they rematch again. imo cody has only himself to "blame". he basically didn't push the pace at all when the 2nd start and maybe it was just a feeling but i felt tj was way slower than usual and throwing sloppy unbalanced kicks. he had enough time to recover imo
-edit- gsp wearing a spiderman tshirt, was that a promo towards an anderson silva fight? maybe from months ago...
On November 05 2017 04:50 Raidern wrote:
sick after 4 years he comes back and defeats the champion. I wasn't impressed by his performance thou lol
Sick ride for Bisping though, he managed to become champ, fight an "easier" money fight and he deserves it. Im concerned GSP's going to be popped for roids here lmao
On November 02 2017 03:36 Floofy wrote:
I'm not the best MMA better, and i'm biaised as a french canadian, but i would favor GSP. Here is my opinion:
Reasons to bet GSP:
Bisping is bigger, but they actually have the same reach.
GSP is a special king of talent. Usually, when a special kind of talent moves up, he just tears apart people from the higher division. Just look at what Gastelum did to Kennedy. Or what RDA did to Neil Magny. But GSP is an even more special athelete than both of those guys. And i think Bisping is over rated. We're talking about one of the best champion ever, fightning someone who shouldn't be champion.
GSP is a very calculated guy. He isn't a Conor type of person who takes random fights he can't win. He never accepted fightning Silva. If he took this fight, GSP himself thinks he is a favorite to win it, i'm sure of that.
If this was a pure boxing match, i would clearly give the edge to Bisping. If this was a pure grappling match, i think Bisping could stuff GSP's take downs. But GSP isn't a one trick pony like Maia. He is dangerous both on the feets AND with his take downs. His timing is genius. I think this will be the key to GSP's victory. Be threatening on the feets, and come up with take downs out of nowhere to secure rounds.
The last times Bisping fought good wrestlers, it was Kennedy and Sonnen. Both of them beat him. And GSP is way better than those fighters.
GSP has a big home town advantage. GSP is huge in canada.
Reasons to bet Bisping
Ring rust is a thing. GSP claims he is better than ever, but i think you can never ignore a 4 years ring rust.
Bisping probably has more power than what GSP is used to, and GSP has been KOed before.
In theory, this is a good stylistic matchup for bisping.
Iol those are the worst rasons ever to bet GSP besides that he didnt do well vs good wrestlers before, however this was pre USADA, and GSP has never fought post-USADA, that combined with the fact that GSP has been retired for ages and smaller its an easy bet on Bisping
What did you say?
I think it was clear early on Bisping was super carefull about take downs, which is probably main reason GSP won r1.
r2 when Bisping started being less carefull, GSP started landing those take downs. Bisping then went back in carefull mode and got caught.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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Into Infinity United States. Nov 05 2017 08:49. Posts 1884
On November 02 2017 03:36 Floofy wrote:
I'm not the best MMA better, and i'm biaised as a french canadian, but i would favor GSP. Here is my opinion:
Reasons to bet GSP:
Bisping is bigger, but they actually have the same reach.
GSP is a special king of talent. Usually, when a special kind of talent moves up, he just tears apart people from the higher division. Just look at what Gastelum did to Kennedy. Or what RDA did to Neil Magny. But GSP is an even more special athelete than both of those guys. And i think Bisping is over rated. We're talking about one of the best champion ever, fightning someone who shouldn't be champion.
GSP is a very calculated guy. He isn't a Conor type of person who takes random fights he can't win. He never accepted fightning Silva. If he took this fight, GSP himself thinks he is a favorite to win it, i'm sure of that.
If this was a pure boxing match, i would clearly give the edge to Bisping. If this was a pure grappling match, i think Bisping could stuff GSP's take downs. But GSP isn't a one trick pony like Maia. He is dangerous both on the feets AND with his take downs. His timing is genius. I think this will be the key to GSP's victory. Be threatening on the feets, and come up with take downs out of nowhere to secure rounds.
The last times Bisping fought good wrestlers, it was Kennedy and Sonnen. Both of them beat him. And GSP is way better than those fighters.
GSP has a big home town advantage. GSP is huge in canada.
Reasons to bet Bisping
Ring rust is a thing. GSP claims he is better than ever, but i think you can never ignore a 4 years ring rust.
Bisping probably has more power than what GSP is used to, and GSP has been KOed before.
In theory, this is a good stylistic matchup for bisping.
Iol those are the worst rasons ever to bet GSP besides that he didnt do well vs good wrestlers before, however this was pre USADA, and GSP has never fought post-USADA, that combined with the fact that GSP has been retired for ages and smaller its an easy bet on Bisping
What did you say?
I think it was clear early on Bisping was super carefull about take downs, which is probably main reason GSP won r1.
r2 when Bisping started being less carefull, GSP started landing those take downs. Bisping then went back in carefull mode and got caught.
LOL did you watch the fight? GSP looked like shit, incredibly slow, he was breathing heavy from the get go, gassed, his top control was so shit he got mauled from the bottom, the only reason why he won is because Bisping is also garbage who barely manages to beat an old as fuck Hendo ffs.
Even then in a rematch anybody with half a brain would snap bet Bisping, these two are going to fall faster than Silva in the division rankings in a near future.
That being said, the fight was entertaiing and cool as old times but skill wise was the lowest championship fight in a long time.
On November 02 2017 03:36 Floofy wrote:
I'm not the best MMA better, and i'm biaised as a french canadian, but i would favor GSP. Here is my opinion:
Reasons to bet GSP:
Bisping is bigger, but they actually have the same reach.
GSP is a special king of talent. Usually, when a special kind of talent moves up, he just tears apart people from the higher division. Just look at what Gastelum did to Kennedy. Or what RDA did to Neil Magny. But GSP is an even more special athelete than both of those guys. And i think Bisping is over rated. We're talking about one of the best champion ever, fightning someone who shouldn't be champion.
GSP is a very calculated guy. He isn't a Conor type of person who takes random fights he can't win. He never accepted fightning Silva. If he took this fight, GSP himself thinks he is a favorite to win it, i'm sure of that.
If this was a pure boxing match, i would clearly give the edge to Bisping. If this was a pure grappling match, i think Bisping could stuff GSP's take downs. But GSP isn't a one trick pony like Maia. He is dangerous both on the feets AND with his take downs. His timing is genius. I think this will be the key to GSP's victory. Be threatening on the feets, and come up with take downs out of nowhere to secure rounds.
The last times Bisping fought good wrestlers, it was Kennedy and Sonnen. Both of them beat him. And GSP is way better than those fighters.
GSP has a big home town advantage. GSP is huge in canada.
Reasons to bet Bisping
Ring rust is a thing. GSP claims he is better than ever, but i think you can never ignore a 4 years ring rust.
Bisping probably has more power than what GSP is used to, and GSP has been KOed before.
In theory, this is a good stylistic matchup for bisping.
Iol those are the worst rasons ever to bet GSP besides that he didnt do well vs good wrestlers before, however this was pre USADA, and GSP has never fought post-USADA, that combined with the fact that GSP has been retired for ages and smaller its an easy bet on Bisping
What did you say?
I think it was clear early on Bisping was super carefull about take downs, which is probably main reason GSP won r1.
r2 when Bisping started being less carefull, GSP started landing those take downs. Bisping then went back in carefull mode and got caught.
LOL did you watch the fight? GSP looked like shit, incredibly slow, he was breathing heavy from the get go, gassed, his top control was so shit he got mauled from the bottom, the only reason why he won is because Bisping is also garbage who barely manages to beat an old as fuck Hendo ffs.
Even then in a rematch anybody with half a brain would snap bet Bisping, these two are going to fall faster than Silva in the division rankings in a near future.
That being said, the fight was entertaiing and cool as old times but skill wise was the lowest championship fight in a long time.
I would agree with you GSP is going to be in trouble if he tries to defend that belt against any top 5 dude. And i think he knows it.
2.Cody gave TJ the fight by not instantly getting in his face in the 2nd round ... I mean sure you hate the guy but taunting and making fun of him doesn't really help you there.... TJ got lucky that there was no time 1st round or he would've lost most of the time - this deserves a rematch since its a pretty close fight - Cruz can wait a bit
3. GSP- Bisping is w/e since neither will keep the belt ... whole situation is really weird since they brought back GSP for a huge PPV, yet they didn't promote the event that well.. makes no sense ... maybe GSP could win vs Rockhold but thats about it (Whittaker prob has advantage in fights though I guess)
On November 05 2017 11:02 Spitfiree wrote:
Just saw the fight and tbh feels like:
1.JJ got completely demolished
2.Cody gave TJ the fight by not instantly getting in his face in the 2nd round ... I mean sure you hate the guy but taunting and making fun of him doesn't really help you there.... TJ got lucky that there was no time 1st round or he would've lost most of the time - this deserves a rematch since its a pretty close fight - Cruz can wait a bit
3. GSP- Bisping is w/e since neither will keep the belt ... whole situation is really weird since they brought back GSP for a huge PPV, yet they didn't promote the event that well.. makes no sense ... maybe GSP could win vs Rockhold but thats about it (Whittaker prob has advantage in fights though I guess)
what makes you said that he could win against Rockhold?
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iakim322 United States. Nov 05 2017 19:22. Posts 1335
On November 02 2017 03:36 Floofy wrote:
I'm not the best MMA better, and i'm biaised as a french canadian, but i would favor GSP. Here is my opinion:
Reasons to bet GSP:
Bisping is bigger, but they actually have the same reach.
GSP is a special king of talent. Usually, when a special kind of talent moves up, he just tears apart people from the higher division. Just look at what Gastelum did to Kennedy. Or what RDA did to Neil Magny. But GSP is an even more special athelete than both of those guys. And i think Bisping is over rated. We're talking about one of the best champion ever, fightning someone who shouldn't be champion.
GSP is a very calculated guy. He isn't a Conor type of person who takes random fights he can't win. He never accepted fightning Silva. If he took this fight, GSP himself thinks he is a favorite to win it, i'm sure of that.
If this was a pure boxing match, i would clearly give the edge to Bisping. If this was a pure grappling match, i think Bisping could stuff GSP's take downs. But GSP isn't a one trick pony like Maia. He is dangerous both on the feets AND with his take downs. His timing is genius. I think this will be the key to GSP's victory. Be threatening on the feets, and come up with take downs out of nowhere to secure rounds.
The last times Bisping fought good wrestlers, it was Kennedy and Sonnen. Both of them beat him. And GSP is way better than those fighters.
GSP has a big home town advantage. GSP is huge in canada.
Reasons to bet Bisping
Ring rust is a thing. GSP claims he is better than ever, but i think you can never ignore a 4 years ring rust.
Bisping probably has more power than what GSP is used to, and GSP has been KOed before.
In theory, this is a good stylistic matchup for bisping.
Iol those are the worst rasons ever to bet GSP besides that he didnt do well vs good wrestlers before, however this was pre USADA, and GSP has never fought post-USADA, that combined with the fact that GSP has been retired for ages and smaller its an easy bet on Bisping
What did you say?
I think it was clear early on Bisping was super carefull about take downs, which is probably main reason GSP won r1.
r2 when Bisping started being less carefull, GSP started landing those take downs. Bisping then went back in carefull mode and got caught.
LOL did you watch the fight? GSP looked like shit, incredibly slow, he was breathing heavy from the get go, gassed, his top control was so shit he got mauled from the bottom, the only reason why he won is because Bisping is also garbage who barely manages to beat an old as fuck Hendo ffs.
Even then in a rematch anybody with half a brain would snap bet Bisping, these two are going to fall faster than Silva in the division rankings in a near future.
That being said, the fight was entertaiing and cool as old times but skill wise was the lowest championship fight in a long time.
Must be a weird thing to see everything in only absolutes
On November 05 2017 11:02 Spitfiree wrote:
Just saw the fight and tbh feels like:
1.JJ got completely demolished
2.Cody gave TJ the fight by not instantly getting in his face in the 2nd round ... I mean sure you hate the guy but taunting and making fun of him doesn't really help you there.... TJ got lucky that there was no time 1st round or he would've lost most of the time - this deserves a rematch since its a pretty close fight - Cruz can wait a bit
3. GSP- Bisping is w/e since neither will keep the belt ... whole situation is really weird since they brought back GSP for a huge PPV, yet they didn't promote the event that well.. makes no sense ... maybe GSP could win vs Rockhold but thats about it (Whittaker prob has advantage in fights though I guess)
what makes you said that he could win against Rockhold?
Rockhold seems pretty inconsistent in his performance.
On November 05 2017 11:02 Spitfiree wrote:
Just saw the fight and tbh feels like:
1.JJ got completely demolished
2.Cody gave TJ the fight by not instantly getting in his face in the 2nd round ... I mean sure you hate the guy but taunting and making fun of him doesn't really help you there.... TJ got lucky that there was no time 1st round or he would've lost most of the time - this deserves a rematch since its a pretty close fight - Cruz can wait a bit
3. GSP- Bisping is w/e since neither will keep the belt ... whole situation is really weird since they brought back GSP for a huge PPV, yet they didn't promote the event that well.. makes no sense ... maybe GSP could win vs Rockhold but thats about it (Whittaker prob has advantage in fights though I guess)
what makes you said that he could win against Rockhold?
Rockhold seems pretty inconsistent in his performance.
I don't know why people sleep on Rockhold. He overlooked Bisping and he started slow against Branch, but other than that, he has destroyed his competition so far.
I don't think GSP has much of a chance against RockHold.
If Bisping was able to make GSP a bloody mess from his back, imagine what RockHold can do to him. RockHold's BJJ is really good.
RockHold's wrestling is also very solid, won't be easy to take it to the ground.
And GSP isn't known as a guy with KO power.
But i think that if GSP does defend his belt, he pretty much has to begin with Whitaker. And i think that's one of his toughest matchup.
Whitaker has shown he has amazing TDD. And his standup is probably the best right now at MW.
I'm not saying GSP is better, I'm saying he might have a chance against him..whereas Whittaker will simply destroy him 10 out of 10 times.
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TianYuan Korea (South). Nov 06 2017 02:30. Posts 6817
On November 05 2017 11:02 Spitfiree wrote:
Just saw the fight and tbh feels like:
1.JJ got completely demolished
2.Cody gave TJ the fight by not instantly getting in his face in the 2nd round ... I mean sure you hate the guy but taunting and making fun of him doesn't really help you there.... TJ got lucky that there was no time 1st round or he would've lost most of the time - this deserves a rematch since its a pretty close fight - Cruz can wait a bit
3. GSP- Bisping is w/e since neither will keep the belt ... whole situation is really weird since they brought back GSP for a huge PPV, yet they didn't promote the event that well.. makes no sense ... maybe GSP could win vs Rockhold but thats about it (Whittaker prob has advantage in fights though I guess)
1) Sad about JJ, though I like Rose as well. I think JJ comes back tho.
Hope they do Rose vs Andrade in the mean time, and give JJ a tune-up or two to get back into contention.
2) Hm, I dont think I want TJ vs Garbrandt 2 at once... Cruz doesn't have that much time left, let's get him in there again if he can get past Rivera. Or if they can do DJ/TJ that's cool too.
3) Rockhold seems like a bad matchup... He's even bigger than Bisping isn't he? And his ground game is insane from top. If the fight ends up there... not good.
On November 02 2017 03:36 Floofy wrote:
I'm not the best MMA better, and i'm biaised as a french canadian, but i would favor GSP. Here is my opinion:
Reasons to bet GSP:
Bisping is bigger, but they actually have the same reach.
GSP is a special king of talent. Usually, when a special kind of talent moves up, he just tears apart people from the higher division. Just look at what Gastelum did to Kennedy. Or what RDA did to Neil Magny. But GSP is an even more special athelete than both of those guys. And i think Bisping is over rated. We're talking about one of the best champion ever, fightning someone who shouldn't be champion.
GSP is a very calculated guy. He isn't a Conor type of person who takes random fights he can't win. He never accepted fightning Silva. If he took this fight, GSP himself thinks he is a favorite to win it, i'm sure of that.
If this was a pure boxing match, i would clearly give the edge to Bisping. If this was a pure grappling match, i think Bisping could stuff GSP's take downs. But GSP isn't a one trick pony like Maia. He is dangerous both on the feets AND with his take downs. His timing is genius. I think this will be the key to GSP's victory. Be threatening on the feets, and come up with take downs out of nowhere to secure rounds.
The last times Bisping fought good wrestlers, it was Kennedy and Sonnen. Both of them beat him. And GSP is way better than those fighters.
GSP has a big home town advantage. GSP is huge in canada.
Reasons to bet Bisping
Ring rust is a thing. GSP claims he is better than ever, but i think you can never ignore a 4 years ring rust.
Bisping probably has more power than what GSP is used to, and GSP has been KOed before.
In theory, this is a good stylistic matchup for bisping.
Iol those are the worst rasons ever to bet GSP besides that he didnt do well vs good wrestlers before, however this was pre USADA, and GSP has never fought post-USADA, that combined with the fact that GSP has been retired for ages and smaller its an easy bet on Bisping
What did you say?
I think it was clear early on Bisping was super carefull about take downs, which is probably main reason GSP won r1.
r2 when Bisping started being less carefull, GSP started landing those take downs. Bisping then went back in carefull mode and got caught.
LOL did you watch the fight? GSP looked like shit, incredibly slow, he was breathing heavy from the get go, gassed, his top control was so shit he got mauled from the bottom, the only reason why he won is because Bisping is also garbage who barely manages to beat an old as fuck Hendo ffs.
Even then in a rematch anybody with half a brain would snap bet Bisping, these two are going to fall faster than Silva in the division rankings in a near future.
That being said, the fight was entertaiing and cool as old times but skill wise was the lowest championship fight in a long time.
I don't think his top control was shit at all. He just looked a bit too small/short to control him properly.
On November 05 2017 10:19 cariadon wrote:
Wow Baal, you seem a little too upset about something.
I enjoyed the fight. GSP and Bisping had their moments.
I enjoyed it too as I said it was a fun fight, but I was replying to a specific post
He did take Bisping down though. He got cut with and elbow in top position... wouldn't use the word mauled. GSP couldn't step over the leg and probably realised he wasn't getting anywhere. I guess theres a difference if you take someone down out of nowhere vs punching or kicking and then get top position.
Garbrandt got too cocky after brief success, showboating is the pitfall of this sport. Who can keep it together when theres blood has the advantage. Jon Jones pounced on DC when he sensed blood. Some guys have a knack for finishing dudes. Others showboat and go for decisions.
First Darren Till and now that Brazilian guy... holy shit those guys are like brick houses. Hendrix is a wash, landed a couple of lefts and then nothing. Worse than nothing, couldn't make weight etc.
Bisping was surprisngly tired by round 2, I bet on him for his insane cardio and the guy shows up like Demian Maia's last performance. Never liked Bisping, I hate him now more than ever haha
On November 07 2017 00:20 whammbot wrote:
Bisping was surprisngly tired by round 2, I bet on him for his insane cardio and the guy shows up like Demian Maia's last performance. Never liked Bisping, I hate him now more than ever haha
They fought at a very fast pace, and Bisping was clearly the fresher fighter of the 2
On November 05 2017 23:41 Spitfiree wrote:
I'm not saying GSP is better, I'm saying he might have a chance against him..whereas Whittaker will simply destroy him 10 out of 10 times.
not 100% sure, but i think i disagree.
What's GSP's road to victory against RockHold? I just see none. If GSP had poor top control against Bisping and got all blooded up in 10 seconds, i'm afraid about what RockHold will do to him on the ground,
I don't think GSP can beat Whitaker.
Whitaker hits harder than Bisping, has better striking, and is harder to take down. But i do think its possible.
james9994: make note dont play against floofy, ;(
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