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soberstone   United States. Nov 14 2016 15:00. Posts 2662


  On November 10 2016 12:07 PanoRaMa wrote:
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Idk bud, you might be the shallow one based on this post.

Millennials complaining about other SJW millennials reminds me of how people used to bash "emo kids" back in the day. Great for you man, I hope you found the validation you needed. Meanwhile there are people legitimately concerned for the environment, national surveillance, the supreme court justice seats, and a billion other things. Just people being shallow, I guess.

(For what it's worth I voted for neither HRC or Trump)

I really hoped Trump wouldn't win, but he did and we must respect the office. The election results are a real lesson in empathy. The writing was on the wall during the primaries, Trump had a snowballing, diehard fanbase and the rational left believed people would actually care about stuff like blatant sexual harassment. Fact of the matter is people are willing to look past it when their jobs, livelihood, and identity are on the line.

How the left feels now is exactly how racist nutjobs felt when we elected Obama in 08 - talk about secession, emigration, murder, etc. None of that happened, instead they came out in droves on election day. In 4 years, the left can respond similarly.


I don't remember any riots or violence when Obama was elected. The amount of butthurt hysteria right now is not beyond compare. The media is mostly to blame of course.

Anyway, I'd be happier if Trump were different on certain things, and there is no perfect candidate for anyone, but I'm incredibly happy. As long as we do what the platform says in terms of the domestic agenda by shrinking government - education back to the states, school choice and vouchers, substitute energy independence for the EPA, cut taxes, I'm happy.

Foreign policy is far trickier and I hope Trump just listens to the Generals and follows a coherent strategy. You can't do worse than the Obama Administration, its not be possible.


jeremy5408   United States. Nov 14 2016 21:15. Posts 122


  On November 14 2016 11:04 Loco wrote:+ Show Spoiler +




you don't find it a bit smug and self serving (and patronizing as you mentioned)? it's a bit ironic since he eludes to it, that the left cared so much more about being "right" and correct and laughing at others for their moronic beliefs. although i enjoy shows like this and john oliver, john stewart, and samantha bee, all the outrage is only shared by other liberals. sam harris just comes across so much more sincere and seems to actually engage in discourse where i feel the above media just starts and ends with a show making fun and silencing the other side.


NMcNasty    United States. Nov 14 2016 22:00. Posts 2007

Problem is, its almost impossible to seriously engage with people who think Mexico will pay for a wall, global warming is a hoax, Obama isn't American, thousands of Muslims were dancing in the streets after 9/11, etc.. Any kind of discussion of facts just gets met with "liberal media" and the conversation is over.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Nov 14 2016 22:03. Posts 8843


  On November 14 2016 14:00 soberstone wrote:

I don't remember any riots or violence when Obama was elected.



As far as i remember there were protests when Obama was first elected as well, but I doubt any election will go without protests by some group right after. Too good of an opportunity to miss on publicity there and too many dumb people

The things I read on the web are ridiculous post USA elections, saw an article claiming Obama's thinking about martial law because of the riots post Trump election. And i bet there are people that even believe such things

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whamm!   Albania. Nov 15 2016 06:25. Posts 11625


  On November 14 2016 21:00 NMcNasty wrote:
Problem is, its almost impossible to seriously engage with people who think Mexico will pay for a wall, global warming is a hoax, Obama isn't American, thousands of Muslims were dancing in the streets after 9/11, etc.. Any kind of discussion of facts just gets met with "liberal media" and the conversation is over.



Well some were celebrating 911 in the Philippines -the day after mind you, in some muslim communities, there weren't thousands though, just probably groups of 10 between 20 but if you added it up, maybe hundreds. There was for a time, in the same said shitholes printed shirts with bin laden's face on it and were selling, kids jokingly chanting about it on the streets, that kind of ruthless shit. Majority of Filipinos were outraged of course, so media didn't cover it anymore for fear of "stereotyping" muslims lol, never mind that those idiots (again, not all of them, but no muslims called them out on it) were laughing at the worst terrorist act in the US. were thousands of innocent lives were killed. It's tough to call out the minority in your group when the moderate majority have zero balls or would rather forego the right thing to do, or maybe just care less

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sugab87   Indonesia. Nov 15 2016 07:29. Posts 1

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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 15 2016 07:57. Posts 33008


  On November 14 2016 21:00 NMcNasty wrote:
Problem is, its almost impossible to seriously engage with people who think Mexico will pay for a wall, global warming is a hoax, Obama isn't American, thousands of Muslims were dancing in the streets after 9/11, etc.. Any kind of discussion of facts just gets met with "liberal media" and the conversation is over.



Half of the country doesn't think that, it sure is the stereotype and there are many of them and they all vote Republican every 4 years, but that is exactly what the left does, categorize them all has ignorant, hateful sexists and white supremacists, they are not, there are many millions of reasonable people who voted Trump who realize Mexico wont pay for a wall, Obama isnt from Kenya etc.

And of course thousands of Muslims in the middle east were dancing in the streets on 9/11 lol, what are you talking about?

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citra211   Indonesia. Nov 15 2016 08:17. Posts 2

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NMcNasty    United States. Nov 15 2016 08:41. Posts 2007

Wow, so portraying Trump supporters as actually believing what Trump has been saying is unfairly stereotyping them. Absolutely incredible.

And of course, Trump's comment that thousands of muslims were dancing in the streets was referring to the streets of New Jersey.


comeon45   Indonesia. Nov 15 2016 09:21. Posts 2

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whamm!   Albania. Nov 15 2016 10:15. Posts 11625

The reason why Trump won, not that I like the idea of having him as president too, is this constant apologizing for EVERYTHING. Yeah the guy is an angry old white guy, but to dismiss everything he says as false when clearly a lot of what he says is fact but nobody can talk about it for fear of losing their jobs or being branded as racist shitheads is why people who agreed with him on SOME things used their anonymity via votes to relieve their frustration. Is it the right thing? Probably not, but since democracy should respect that mandate then I don't see why people are crying about.
He's called mexicans a lot of things and called Filipinos savages and a terrorist nation but I don't think Baal and I take offense lol, plainly because some of it, the most important parts is kinda true to some degree.

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v6Tpfm32kD   United States. Nov 15 2016 15:31. Posts 7

his appointments to office so far have been dividing the country more


Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 15 2016 18:49. Posts 1535


  On November 15 2016 07:41 NMcNasty wrote:
Wow, so portraying Trump supporters as actually believing what Trump has been saying is unfairly stereotyping them. Absolutely incredible.

And of course, Trump's comment that thousands of muslims were dancing in the streets was referring to the streets of New Jersey.


you're like a Scientologist, disconnecting half of the electorate

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

NMcNasty    United States. Nov 15 2016 20:58. Posts 2007


  On November 15 2016 17:49 Santafairy wrote:
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you're like a Scientologist, disconnecting half of the electorate


Weird.

I'll just make one more comment about this issue since "they are racist" vs "its only half" isn't really discussion that's going anywhere. A big problem I have with the "the left caused this" is that there was a highly publicized Republican primary. There were no liberals there. Every one of the seventeen candidates railed against Obama, Islamic terror, and political correctness with as much fervor as they could muster. Trump was only around 3% in the polls at that time. He rose to prominence and was specifically chosen by the Republican base because of all his racist lies not in spite of. Its not that he "went where no else dared" because everyone was already there. Trump created a new "going there" by making shit up. Where were the moderates? Kasich and Rubio. Anti-establishment? Rand Paul. Non-politicians? Carson and Fiorina. There were plenty of options to choose from, none of them liberal, and it was the worst that ended up winning.


Santafairy   Korea (South). Nov 15 2016 21:38. Posts 1535

Republican primary voters do not choose the president and not realizing the problems on the left means you're never going to figure out why in this election, which was supposed to be proof that Republicans demographically could never win another election (because fuck whitey), they won at literally every level of government. If you have a political blob that polarizes every issue, calls the other side racist and directly insults the voters, nobody's going to warm up to voting for that. But keep up the "all his racist lies" track because I look forward to his second inauguration.

-Kasich is not a moderate.

-Carson and Fiorina are retarded. You don't want President Carson more than President Trump, what you actually want is President Democrat, and that's why people claim to want nice inoffensive schmucks like Romney or McCain to run, who they pretend to have disagreements with but no existential disrespect for (even though these people will never vote Republican in any universe), so they can get crushed under the steamroller of 16 years of vacuous Daily Show liberalism like a good sport.

-Trump is incidentally the most liberal thing to happen to the GOP in years if you take the blinders off.

It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen 

jeremy5408   United States. Nov 15 2016 23:00. Posts 122


  On November 15 2016 19:58 NMcNasty wrote:+ Show Spoiler +



I liked your points in this post. The purge and Lord of the Flies seem less like fiction.

unintendedly hillarious silver lining (?): at least we know the election isn't rigged
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Baalim   Mexico. Nov 16 2016 05:16. Posts 33008


  On November 15 2016 07:41 NMcNasty wrote:
Wow, so portraying Trump supporters as actually believing what Trump has been saying is unfairly stereotyping them. Absolutely incredible.



I am dumbfounded by this statement, I would expect it from some random guy, but this low level of critical thinking coming from a competent poker player from the community is surprising, I will sound extremely patronizing but I think you should take a step back and analyze this maybe you are just throwing the first thing that comes to mind and giving this emotional lines.

Obviously it is silly to think people who support Trump also support all his ideas, in the same way that if you support Hillary I dont think you are for bombing Libya, or Assad and the rebels while also supplying weapons and training para-military groups, I dont assume you support fracking or that you support lobbying from Wall Street or etc.

Thats the reason why I re-posted Locos video, because it is this kind of lazy thinking, caricaturing the opposing view into a bunch of racist, misogynist ignorant rednecks is the exact reason why Trump rose to power and why the right is as strong as ever and will continue to grow on the western civilization, refusing to understand this will only secure Trumps reelection.

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Nov 16 2016 06:10. Posts 4429

americans want change from the harsh neoliberal economic policies that have dominated America since the early 1970's-since nixon broke down the bretton woods system and the banking sector turned to finance and became the core of the economy. I think 'liberals', those who think that they themselves are on the left but have not talked about class politics, but only discussed identity politics or post materialist politics. That is, the politics of race, gay rights and gender equality are deserving a good bit of blame here for the results. The left has to work with trump voters, and to work with them in giving a critical analysis here. the academics and media have largely chosen not to do this and to serve power instead of people.

If you looking at polling, most americans support social democratic policies similar to the ones that Bernie Sanders had. Most americans are about as left-wing in economic policy as Eisenhower who fought a war on poverty (very left wing by todays standards), but they dont get the policies they want.

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uiCk   Canada. Nov 16 2016 19:36. Posts 3518

http://qz.com/839057/yanis-varoufakis...ps-victory-to-humanize-globalization/
Good read

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shootair   United States. Nov 16 2016 21:26. Posts 429


  On November 16 2016 04:16 Baalim wrote:
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I am dumbfounded by this statement, I would expect it from some random guy, but this low level of critical thinking coming from a competent poker player from the community is surprising, I will sound extremely patronizing but I think you should take a step back and analyze this maybe you are just throwing the first thing that comes to mind and giving this emotional lines.

Obviously it is silly to think people who support Trump also support all his ideas, in the same way that if you support Hillary I dont think you are for bombing Libya, or Assad and the rebels while also supplying weapons and training para-military groups, I dont assume you support fracking or that you support lobbying from Wall Street or etc.

Thats the reason why I re-posted Locos video, because it is this kind of lazy thinking, caricaturing the opposing view into a bunch of racist, misogynist ignorant rednecks is the exact reason why Trump rose to power and why the right is as strong as ever and will continue to grow on the western civilization, refusing to understand this will only secure Trumps reelection.

This mcnasty guy obv reads too much NY Times, washington post etc...He's forming his opinions based on the BS liberal media. He's opinions are just noise and are shared by a very small, yet very vocal, percentage of the population. No need to worry about such peasants as him


 
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