Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 139

Iran about to recieve some corrective violence lol.

No but seriously, I hope Trump is just using the threat to gain votes and goes full retard into war, I dont think it would be a Vietnam given the territory, but in certainly isnt Iraq or afghanistan, Iran's army is no joke and it the bastion of the middle east, the war would be brutal and it would destabilize the region for decades to come and its so hard to really see the repercusions in the world and the probability of US facing terrorism on a 911 or worse scale isn't small.

The "innocent old man" is seen charging and punching antifascists first from another angle. The one Baal used deliberately cut this part off to make for better propaganda. This man is well-built and has a ton of tattoos and wasn't there by mistake. You make it sound like this is just some grandpa walking around looking for a park to look at birds.

On June 30 2019 03:02 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2019 02:35 RiKD wrote: Dude got what he was asking for. "Assault" is pretty strong rhetoric for being hit with a milkshake. Different story if they were putting cement in the milkshakes. That defeats the whole purpose. Stunts like this are the only way hacks like MrAndyNgo will get noticed. He sort of knew what he was doing. Time will tell. Time will tell. wtf are you talking about... did you watch the video of the assault?

I was referring to Andy going to the cops and claiming he was assaulted after being hit with a milkshake. A milkshake without cement in it is not assault. The video that he was punched and kicked a couple of times is an assault but it's not some grand beatdown that many were trying to claim. He didn't get his ass beat. It wasn't a beatdown. He was maybe punched a couple of times and kicked a couple of times.

On June 30 2019 08:19 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2019 05:00 Loco wrote: I'll tell you what I see in that video. I see a guy who has been whitewashing the crimes and the dangerous organization that is Proud Boys, inciting hatred against the left for years, and especially against Muslims and queer/trans people, who was dumb enough to walk at the center of an antifa protest while emotions were riding high, most likely because he wanted to be assaulted to play martyr and get more funding on his Patreon. He was warned several times over the last year by activists that if he kept doing what he was doing he would get hurt. He was warned again the day before the protest. And so he did get hurt, predictably. How hurt? He got punched in the face by only one person, twice. He got kicked by only one person, twice, on the leg. Now, because context is everything and we are all interested in being as objective as possible, show us an instance of far-right groups who have a leftist surrounded so we can see how they treat him. Let's see how they escalate their violence. I'll bet you that you can't find them doing less damage than this. You can also see that that there are other antifa people coming to protect him when they judged that this isn't necessary. Two people walk with him protecting his back and making space for him to exit the protest. Again, find me some right-wingers who treat their opponents this way. Just find me one instance of this happening. I can find a lot of instances of antifa activists protecting people, including their enemies, once they judge that they got the message (usually pretty damn quickly). The antifa guy who got shot at Berkeley was trying to protect people. The far right inflicts life-threatening damage to people, while leftists intend to inflict corrective damage. That's the difference. Yes, it can get out of hand, and yes, some acts can be denounced. That doesn't make the entire thing bad. This was one single guy in a large group of antifascists, yet you talk about it as if everyone who was there had a part in it, they're all the same, and I'm apparently the same as the guy who punched him even though I wasn't involved, lol. "LOOK WHAT THIS GUY YOU DON'T KNOW DID, THIS IS WHO YOU ARE!! QED!!!!" oh he was warned... my bad, then its fine, go ahead and beat the living shit out of him. oh its corrective violence, not bad violence... my bad, keep him hitting with your corrective fists. You condone it, so yeah you are also guilty, if I said that the gay-bar shooter did nothing wrong I wouldn't be a killer but I would also be a piece of shit of an alike human quality. The antifa guy who got shot were there in a mob who were setting the place on fire, beating up people, there is a video of how they hit an unconscious guy on the back of the head with a wooden pole, they also hit girls with those poles, so yeah they had it coming

On what planet do you live that Andy had the "shit beat out of him?"

Violence should not have been escalated to punching in this case but it happened and notice that it doesn't get out of control. He was escorted away by another antifa member.

On June 30 2019 23:52 Baalim wrote: Iran about to recieve some corrective violence lol. No but seriously, I hope Trump is just using the threat to gain votes and goes full retard into war, I dont think it would be a Vietnam given the territory, but in certainly isnt Iraq or afghanistan, Iran's army is no joke and it the bastion of the middle east, the war would be brutal and it would destabilize the region for decades to come and its so hard to really see the repercusions in the world and the probability of US facing terrorism on a 911 or worse scale isn't small.

There is a difference between corrective violence and neoliberal capitalism

On July 01 2019 02:16 Loco wrote: The "innocent old man" is seen charging and punching antifascists first from another angle. The one Baal used deliberately cut this part off to make for better propaganda. This man is well-built and has a ton of tattoos and wasn't there by mistake. You make it sound like this is just some grandpa walking around looking for a park to look at birds.

Ok so let me correct it:

well built old man with tattoos gets maced, then charges into the crowd and then gets hit with wellness sticks and love crowbars to the back of his heads and is left a bloody mess by those brave heroes.

Yeah that is much better...

Well well, who would have thought. It's just a matter of time before Baal bans me now that his teacher marks me as the equivalent of people who inflict the worst imaginable torture on people.

Except that you are the one who supports censorship and I specifically said I wouldn't ban anyone for political ideas, even clueless champaign marxists.


You are pathetic.

There is a spectrum of violence. Throwing a milkshake falls on the spectrum somewhere but it is very low. I have seen Sam Harris discuss this as a mock assassination. That's a fair point but it is still just a milkshake. There isn't security for milkshake besides getting the local milkshake place to not sell them. I don't think it constitutes a violent act. If there is one thing about antifa that I am not pleased with from these videos is they are off a bit on escalation of violence. We have been over the Andy situation. This is not like wildly out of context violence however. It's nitpicking. A nazi collaborator shows up at an anti-fascist rally you might get punched in the face. That's not saying they should have done it. The same for old, tattooed man. Pepper spray seems fine to me. A fucking crowbar is too much. To tie it in to Rojava, when the Kurdish militias were far outnumbered and had some grenades and some AKs and maybe some rocket launchers versus many more ISIS troops, tanks, etc. it was the only option to accept US airstrikes. That is a reasonable escalation of violence. It was the only option. And, I think that is how violence should be used. As leverage against violence or as the only perceivable option. So, what do you do about douchebags like Andy Ngo? I would of snuck up behind him and poured a large carafe of milkshake right on his head and continued to do so until he left. If he doesn't leave it's more milkshakes until we run out. No cement. No punching unless he pushes and shoves or throws punches.

Someone may in fact end up dead at one of these things. It's already happened. I'm just saying why drop a nuclear bomb when strategic missiles could be used efficiently. Or, a milkshake.

On July 01 2019 05:15 RiKD wrote: There is a spectrum of violence. Throwing a milkshake falls on the spectrum somewhere but it is very low. I have seen Sam Harris discuss this as a mock assassination. That's a fair point but it is still just a milkshake. There isn't security for milkshake besides getting the local milkshake place to not sell them. I don't think it constitutes a violent act. If there is one thing about antifa that I am not pleased with from these videos is they are off a bit on escalation of violence. We have been over the Andy situation. This is not like wildly out of context violence however. It's nitpicking. A nazi collaborator shows up at an anti-fascist rally you might get punched in the face. That's not saying they should have done it. The same for old, tattooed man. Pepper spray seems fine to me. A fucking crowbar is too much. To tie it in to Rojava, when the Kurdish militias were far outnumbered and had some grenades and some AKs and maybe some rocket launchers versus many more ISIS troops, tanks, etc. it was the only option to accept US airstrikes. That is a reasonable escalation of violence. It was the only option. And, I think that is how violence should be used. As leverage against violence or as the only perceivable option. So, what do you do about douchebags like Andy Ngo? I would of snuck up behind him and poured a large carafe of milkshake right on his head and continued to do so until he left. If he doesn't leave it's more milkshakes until we run out. No cement. No punching unless he pushes and shoves or throws punches. Someone may in fact end up dead at one of these things. It's already happened. I'm just saying why drop a nuclear bomb when strategic missiles could be used efficiently. Or, a milkshake.

Don't be intellectually dishonest like Loco.


If you throw some random guy in the street a milshake in his face you are going to get punched in the face, who do you think was the initiator of violence? him?, do you think a punch is an innapropiate response? because if someobody does that to me I'm not going to stop at one punch.


Violence always escalates, anybody older than 10 knows that thats why we set hard lines about it, I literally said a few days ago that it won't stop at milkshakes and we now get cement-milkshakes and crowbars to the head, whats the point of devouring books if you aren't even going to acknowledge one of the most basic things in history, the escalation of violence.

On July 01 2019 04:03 Loco wrote: + Show Spoiler +

that's incredibly homophobic but I guess funny to you

On July 01 2019 05:37 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2019 05:15 RiKD wrote: There is a spectrum of violence. Throwing a milkshake falls on the spectrum somewhere but it is very low. I have seen Sam Harris discuss this as a mock assassination. That's a fair point but it is still just a milkshake. There isn't security for milkshake besides getting the local milkshake place to not sell them. I don't think it constitutes a violent act. If there is one thing about antifa that I am not pleased with from these videos is they are off a bit on escalation of violence. We have been over the Andy situation. This is not like wildly out of context violence however. It's nitpicking. A nazi collaborator shows up at an anti-fascist rally you might get punched in the face. That's not saying they should have done it. The same for old, tattooed man. Pepper spray seems fine to me. A fucking crowbar is too much. To tie it in to Rojava, when the Kurdish militias were far outnumbered and had some grenades and some AKs and maybe some rocket launchers versus many more ISIS troops, tanks, etc. it was the only option to accept US airstrikes. That is a reasonable escalation of violence. It was the only option. And, I think that is how violence should be used. As leverage against violence or as the only perceivable option. So, what do you do about douchebags like Andy Ngo? I would of snuck up behind him and poured a large carafe of milkshake right on his head and continued to do so until he left. If he doesn't leave it's more milkshakes until we run out. No cement. No punching unless he pushes and shoves or throws punches. Someone may in fact end up dead at one of these things. It's already happened. I'm just saying why drop a nuclear bomb when strategic missiles could be used efficiently. Or, a milkshake. Don't be intellectually dishonest like Loco. If you throw some random guy in the street a milshake in his face you are going to get punched in the face, who do you think was the initiator of violence? him?, do you think a punch is an innapropiate response? because if someobody does that to me I'm not going to stop at one punch. Violence always escalates, anybody older than 10 knows that thats why we set hard lines about it, I literally said a few days ago that it won't stop at milkshakes and we now get cement-milkshakes and crowbars to the head, whats the point of devouring books if you aren't even going to acknowledge one of the most basic things in history, the escalation of violence.

A Nazi collaborator showing up at an antifa rally is the first move. This isn't strolling down Main St. this is fucking being a doofus at a fucking antifa rally as a Nazi collaborator.

An appropriate response is to leave the antifa rally not to start throwing punches. That is idiotic. It's a losing proposition unless you can get $100,000+ from patrons.

If I was sitting at a restaurant on Main St. and someone dumped a milkshake on me I would be very confused and I would likely not escalate violence. I would probably ask questions but not immediately jump to a physical fight. After all, I can just go home and wash my clothes regardless if I may feel a little emasculated or not I am not likely to fight someone in a public space. If the same guy dumps a milkshake onto me the next week then he may get a glass of water thrown at his face and then we'll see what happens. Most of my fights were in elementary school, middle school, and high school. I was usually the guy trying to mediate and break up fights. On some level an antifa rally is on the spectrum of a war-like situation. Anything can happen. Don't go if you are on some level not willing to engage in violence that could potentially end up in injury or even death at some probability. It is yet another situation of having to make wagers.

On July 01 2019 04:14 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2019 02:16 Loco wrote: The "innocent old man" is seen charging and punching antifascists first from another angle. The one Baal used deliberately cut this part off to make for better propaganda. This man is well-built and has a ton of tattoos and wasn't there by mistake. You make it sound like this is just some grandpa walking around looking for a park to look at birds. Ok so let me correct it: well built old man with tattoos gets maced, then charges into the crowd and then gets hit with wellness sticks and love crowbars to the back of his heads and is left a bloody mess by those brave heroes. Yeah that is much better...   Well well, who would have thought. It's just a matter of time before Baal bans me now that his teacher marks me as the equivalent of people who inflict the worst imaginable torture on people. Except that you are the one who supports censorship and I specifically said I wouldn't ban anyone for political ideas, even clueless champaign marxists. You are pathetic.

So if I posted pictures of myself preparing to join ISIS and condoning all the shit they have done you wouldn't ban me? You need to be unmodded then.

"that's really homophobic Loco, I hate identity politics but let me remind you that this man is ASIAN and GAY. by the way here's what this unfunny transphobe thinks about milkshakes"

There is no evidence of "quick-dry cement" in that picture, you fucking goof. Even the photographer who took that picture said so on Twitter. The alt-right is losing again, every one of their rallies is smaller and they are so desperate to scare antifascists off with this dumb shit because they don't know what to do anymore. Relying on lies and rumors for a public backlash and betting on a campaign of harassment against people involved is the easiest thing to do.

You guys spread their propaganda like it's your job. Even days after the rumour started and there is still no evidence for it, you have no issue accepting it as a fact. Shows how invested you are in your prejudices. "The police said they received one phone call warning them about cement milkshakes, so it must be true!". The same police that was found working with fascists.

Portland Cops Knew The Fascists Had A Weapons Cache. They Kept Silent And Attacked Protesters.

But won't anyone please think of the poor innocent old fascists who like to pick fights with anti-fascists?



Well, according to Baal's Non-Aggression Principle, this man had it coming. All's well that ends well: the initiator of aggression left with his tail between his legs. He'll survive to fight another day. Or he's just gonna stay home from now on.

To understand what has been going on in Portland read this Twitter thread. Take what alt right and alt lite trolls say with a huge grain of salt. You will never see Baal report on anything else than what they want to, as evidenced by his history of sharing their content without verifying anything or engaging in critical thought.

Stefan Molyneux post would not suprise me if its true. Extreme leftists in Europe already worked together with some of the worst scum on earth, the human traffickers over the mediterranean.

Some of the far left guys are really extreme and they have the same goal as ISIS / Al-Qaida. (At least until the part about establishing a Caliphate / Sharia law)

This is fine.

"The terrorist group I support beat up an old guy and a journalist causing him brain hemorrage. To deal with it, I'll post about how some border patrol people share memes I don't like online in a private group. Evil thought crime, must be stopped as per 1984 guidelines"
- Loco