PuertoRican United States. Sep 12 2016 16:34. Posts 13044
On September 12 2016 13:22 Nazgul wrote:
Hunt: just lost to Brock and claims not to want to fight until he gets compensated for fighting a cheater.
Arlovski: lost three in a row including a loss to Overeem
Werdum: has a single win
JDS: has a single win and has a loss to Overeem
Cain: has one win in three years
Mir: uhh
Bigfoot: uhh
Rothwell: just lost to JDS and won't get a title shot until he is on a 10 fight winning streak
Barnett: has a single win
Browne: two losses in a row and universally hated
He's as done today as he was two days ago nothing has changed about his skillset. He got knocked out due to his chin which we were all aware of before the fight as well. He can still make a run like pretty much anyone else at heavyweight. It's a weird division a guy like that is always 1-2 wins away from another title shot. Overeem is almost guaranteed a title shot with two more wins, and arguably will get a title shot after a single win if they match him up with Werdum/Cain. He may have a glass chin and won't be able to do this for much longer anymore, but the path back to a title shot is simple in comparison to the lower weight classes. I also think that given that he knocked Stipe down and had a shot at finishing him that a rematch will come easier than it may come for some others. I'm ready to get behind a final run.
You can't see a world where they make Overeem vs Werdum (1-1) now for a title shot? I would be fucking hyped for that and it makes complete sense. Alternatively maybe Werdum fights Stipe immediately and Overeem fights someone else for the next shot.
Following some discussions in mma lol @ people thinking Punk made too much at $500,000. He made so much more than that with PPV points and deserves every bit of it.
I told you people will be angry :D
Its for the UFC to say if it was worth it, if he improved their numbers by a lot. I highly doubt it.
It sucks for professionals when you gotta watch how a newbo that is only signed only for marketing value banks tons of cash, while you are fighting for 50k $ a fight as a top10 fighter
On September 13 2016 02:47 Baalim wrote:
Jon Jones expressed desire to fight Stipe for HW title... that would be amazing but its a long shot.
I shit you not, Its exactly what i thought would happen after I read Nazgul's post. This would be so awesome, especially considering JBJ wont be huge in that division and wont be able to throw people around as he wishes. Was not sure what was the development with his suspension though, guess he s coming back soon
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iakim322 United States. Sep 13 2016 21:00. Posts 1335
Cat zingano's tweets encapsulate all the incredibly out of touch or just plain ignorant notions of how the world works from some of the complaining fighters. '8k/8k vs 500k when I had real wrestling credentials and was undefeated'. As if any of that matters when you're comparing someone very known to the masses switching 'sports' thereby creating a public spectacle (good or bad)...to yourself...a completely unknown female fighter debuting at a time when barely anyone gave a shit about women fighting women
And I'm someone who roots for Cat every time and on the flip side, am still utterly confused as to how WWE has remained a viable business for so long. But if you don't understand the reasoning for why the pays are what they are, going to be a tough road out there for you if you do anything at all business related ever
Look don't get me wrong they have every reason to be upset with the UFC. The reason they should be upset is that UFC is effectively a monopoly that is unwilling to see the other end of the table or give them 'market value' despite building their success on their health. It's too extreme. They earn the UFC way, way more money than they get paid, but without competitors nor a union they are not able to see any of it. It's not Punk's fault however he should pursue his dreams and get paid for the work he has put into his career. The only reason why Punk can get paid like this is because he's not from the sport and so he doesn't adhere to the same negotiation tactics fighters do.
one word. boxers. they've been around since george washington and they still get paid shit. gtfo if you expect to make a decent living when pursuing MMA as a career. The CM punk fight was a WWE event inserted in an MMA one. He got paid the way he should
On September 13 2016 20:05 Nazgul wrote:
Look don't get me wrong they have every reason to be upset with the UFC. The reason they should be upset is that UFC is effectively a monopoly that is unwilling to see the other end of the table or give them 'market value' despite building their success on their health. It's too extreme. They earn the UFC way, way more money than they get paid, but without competitors nor a union they are not able to see any of it. It's not Punk's fault however he should pursue his dreams and get paid for the work he has put into his career. The only reason why Punk can get paid like this is because he's not from the sport and so he doesn't adhere to the same negotiation tactics fighters do.
Bellator is quickly becoming a good competitor for the UFC I think they will get better salaries soon
On September 13 2016 20:00 iakim322 wrote:
Cat zingano's tweets encapsulate all the incredibly out of touch or just plain ignorant notions of how the world works from some of the complaining fighters. '8k/8k vs 500k when I had real wrestling credentials and was undefeated'. As if any of that matters when you're comparing someone very known to the masses switching 'sports' thereby creating a public spectacle (good or bad)...to yourself...a completely unknown female fighter debuting at a time when barely anyone gave a shit about women fighting women
And I'm someone who roots for Cat every time and on the flip side, am still utterly confused as to how WWE has remained a viable business for so long. But if you don't understand the reasoning for why the pays are what they are, going to be a tough road out there for you if you do anything at all business related ever
In my experience many if no most people dont truly understand/care how the freemarket works, you see often people complaining how much a cop or doctores does compared to some football superstars.. the worst of all is that they are football fans themselves lol
On September 14 2016 00:15 whamm! wrote:
one word. boxers. they've been around since george washington and they still get paid shit. gtfo if you expect to make a decent living when pursuing MMA as a career. The CM punk fight was a WWE event inserted in an MMA one. He got paid the way he should
Your statement is seriously absurd. Just because you saw a complete irrelevant noname in boxing earn $1,000 doesn't mean they earn less per their ability to draw an audience.
On September 13 2016 20:05 Nazgul wrote:
Look don't get me wrong they have every reason to be upset with the UFC. The reason they should be upset is that UFC is effectively a monopoly that is unwilling to see the other end of the table or give them 'market value' despite building their success on their health. It's too extreme. They earn the UFC way, way more money than they get paid, but without competitors nor a union they are not able to see any of it. It's not Punk's fault however he should pursue his dreams and get paid for the work he has put into his career. The only reason why Punk can get paid like this is because he's not from the sport and so he doesn't adhere to the same negotiation tactics fighters do.
Bellator is quickly becoming a good competitor for the UFC I think they will get better salaries soon
It's getting a little better, but overall even when Strikeforce was around with a much better roster than the UFC the salaries were way too low. The main reason is that Bellator can never compete with the UFC product and reach so a fighter can't be worth the same for them as it is for the UFC. If Bellator breaks even paying someone $100,000 the UFC could be making $500,000 off of the same guy, therefor Bellator really isn't commercially capable of raising market values high enough even if it helps.
No , the real question is how does something like WWE still exist and has audience. This seems to be one of the most absurd things ever. It used to be popular here among the 8-12 yos when I was that age and thats about it. But that was a long time ago, how can a grown man pay to watch that crap. Id literally prefer to pay to watch 2girls1cup
Bellator is quickly becoming a good competitor for the UFC I think they will get better salaries soon
It's getting a little better, but overall even when Strikeforce was around with a much better roster than the UFC the salaries were way too low. The main reason is that Bellator can never compete with the UFC product and reach so a fighter can't be worth the same for them as it is for the UFC. If Bellator breaks even paying someone $100,000 the UFC could be making $500,000 off of the same guy, therefor Bellator really isn't commercially capable of raising market values high enough even if it helps. [/QUOTE]
I think it depends a lot, for example a "fighter" like Royce Gracie has much more value to Bellator than to UFC even maybe a fighter like Rory McDonald that is just another contender is worth more to Bellator, how much money they can squeeze of them is difficult to know I am not confident enough to claim that the UFC can squeeze more out of Rory than Bellator. Sure they have a much bigger platform and reach but also their roster is so big this effect gets diluted drastically.
Its almost impossible to defeat a behemot company that is handling all its angles right, the UFC is "lucky" to not be a public company but still the Fertitas have been squeezing a bit too tight since the Reebok deal, fighters are angry about the pay especially with the (justified) disparity in wages published so I think they are setting up things up for Bellator to grow fast, and it has.
The problem with Strikeforce is that they didnt grow organically, their operational costs were too big for their revenue and in order to do that you need a big big player willing to gamble for a big chunk of market share and Strikeforce didnt have that so it blew up, Bellator is being more cautions and smarter.
On September 14 2016 22:57 Spitfiree wrote:
No , the real question is how does something like WWE still exist and has audience. This seems to be one of the most absurd things ever. It used to be popular here among the 8-12 yos when I was that age and thats about it. But that was a long time ago, how can a grown man pay to watch that crap. Id literally prefer to pay to watch 2girls1cup
People say the same thing about Game of Thrones or any other show or event. Different people like different things
This was the first UFC event I've been to and it was awesome. The place went absolutely apeshit for Stipe. There were a bunch of wrestling fans there. Idk if you could hear it on tv but the crowd kept breaking in to Rick Flair Whooooo chants. Punk brought a lot of attention to the event.
Dude you some social darwinist ideas that they are giving hitlers ghost a boner - Baal
On September 14 2016 22:57 Spitfiree wrote:
No , the real question is how does something like WWE still exist and has audience. This seems to be one of the most absurd things ever. It used to be popular here among the 8-12 yos when I was that age and thats about it. But that was a long time ago, how can a grown man pay to watch that crap. Id literally prefer to pay to watch 2girls1cup
Netherlands. Sep 13 2016 12:54. Posts 7080
