UFC 202: Diaz vs McGregor 2

Date: Saturday, August 20th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 23:30 LP.net / 3:30pm PST / 6:30pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 1:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 3:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://firstrowus1.eu/




Main Card (PPV)

Nate Diaz (19-10) vs. Conor McGregor (19-3) (Welterweight)
Anthony Johnson (21-5) vs. Glover Teixeira (25-4) (Light Heavyweight)
Rick Story (19-8) vs. Donald Cerrone (30-7) (Welterweight)
Hyun Gyu Lim (13-5-1) vs. Mike Perry (6-0) (Welterweight)
Tim Means (25-7-1) vs. Sabah Homasi (11-5) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Cody Garbrandt (9-0) vs. Takeya Mizugaki (21-9-2) (Bantamweight)
Raquel Pennington (7-5) vs. Elizabeth Phillips (5-3) (Women's Bantamweight)
Artem Lobov (11-12-1) vs. Chris Avila (5-2) (Featherweight)
Randa Markos (6-3) vs. Cortney Casey (5-3) (Strawweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Neil Magny (18-4) vs. Lorenz Larkin (17-5) (Welterweight)
Colby Covington (9-1) vs. Max Griffin (12-2) (Welterweight)
Alberto Uda (9-1) vs. Marvin Vettori (10-2) (Middleweight)

Other

- Dong Hyun Kim was expected to face Neil Magny at the event. However, Kim pulled out due to injury on July 12 and was replaced by Lorenz Larkin.
- Sultan Aliev was expected to face Hyun Gyu Lim at the event. However, Aliev pulled out of the fight in early August citing a wrist injury. Lim will now face promotional newcomer Mike Perry.
- The Ultimate Fighter: China winner Ning Guangyou tested positive for clenbuterol from an out-of-competition sample taken May 19, but USADA found he ingested the substance without fault or negligence. They reviewed the evidence of the case - Guangyou's whereabouts, dietary habits and the lab reports showing "very low parts per billion concentrations" of the substance - and determined that it very likely came from tainted meat, as Countries like Mexico and China have a high risk for meats contaminated with the substance. Guangyou will not face a suspension. He was expected to face Marlon Vera at this event, but due to this incident the bout was pushed back one week for UFC on Fox: Maia vs. Condit.
- On August 5, Sean Strickland pulled out of his planned bout against Tim Means due to a knee injury. He was replaced by promotional newcomer Sabah Homasi.

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First impression of the match-ups:

• Diaz > McGregor
• Teixeira > Johnson
• Cerrone > Story
• Means > TBA
• Garbrandt > Mizugaki
• Pennington > Phillips
• Lim > Perry
• Vettori > Uda
• Magny > Larkin
• Avila > Lobov
• Vera > Ning
• Covington > Griffin

Teixeira > Johnson? :O Obviously he can connect but I think Anthony is better by far

I think it's the other way around. Obviously Rumble can connect and it'd be lights out for anyone. But Texeira is more well rounded

I still don't really know why Conor insisted on fighting Nate at 170 again. Unlike the new 170 lb champ who has 0 ppv pull or mainstream appeal or a great recent resume, Conor can and actually deserves to call his own shots. Feels like if Conor made Nate boil down, his shots would have a much better impact on Nate and the chances of that impressive win he's craving would be a lot higher. Nate would be a little faster at '55 but it's not like speed is really his game. Think either Nate finishes him late this time or Conor has a cpl scares but wins a close but clear decision

Rumble via speed. Glover is a bit slow and AJ should have a huge speed advantage which makes me think he'll be able to catch Glover and Glovers chin won't be able to hold up. That said AJ is one of my 99% sure he's on PED guys so it'll be interesting to see how he performs under USADA.

Diaz > Conor. If Conor is more patient I think he simply gets hit more since Diaz has the range. Unless he employs a kick and run game, which I don't think his ego will let him.

Story > Cerrone. Don't mind me here, I pretty much always underestimate Cerrone and never learn lol. That said I think most underestimate Story. I think he bullys Cerrone in the clinch and lands a ton of body shots on Cerrone where Cerrone is weak. I think it'll be somewhat close but Story will get the W.

Texeira is very hittable but Rumble fades fast, I think that if Rumble doesnt hurt Texeira bad early on, he will slow down and Texeira wins a decision.

Diaz vs Connor is so difficult to predict because Connor has a very clear almost guaranteed path to victory, just kick the leg non-stop and counter, but does he have the cardio to do that for 5 rounds even if he tries to be efficient, and even if he is able will he do it? Its not like he didnt know it wasnt smart to trade with Nate, did he learn the lesson or will his ego get the best of him?

Unlike Stim I dont think Connors ego will get the better of him, actually I think Nate is far more egocentric than Connor for example.

Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game

On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote: Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game

The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands.

Conor kicked the shit outta Mendez very nicely iirc.

That weak ass thigh/knee kick that is heavily telegraphed? Good luck landing that more than a couple times. Those arent the leg kicks that fuck up a diaz

Connor cant throw good hard MT style leg kicks out of that wide ass karate stance. Sure he has some decent flashy spinning kicks or whatever but those are basically all body/head shots.

Realistically connor has won basically all of his fights with the left.

Dont expect the styles to change from the last fight to this fight much at all. They gonna largely box

Im talking about leg kicks specifically obviously in all posts. He has some karate kicks no doubt

On August 04 2016 08:14 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote: Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands.

Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance.

He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight.

Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive.

I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him.

As long as Connor uses his legs and counter boxes properly, instead of being the aggressor he should be fine. He has no chance trying to outbox him.
I don't really see how Connor can win the fight with his left hand though, he s fighting possibly the best boxer in the UFC and that guy is used to be getting hit by bricks in his face, that is if McGregor can even land it properly.

Don't think we underestimate the Diaz brothers, but its basically what everyone exploits in their game.

I wonder whats the game plan for Connor though, one of the worst match ups for him, he cant even try to bring it to the ground either.
Like I only see him using his legs and properly counter boxing to win this one and it will still be super hard.

On August 04 2016 20:05 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2016 08:14 Baalim wrote:   On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote: Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands. Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance. He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight. Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive. I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him.

Cerrone had a bit of a mental meltdown in the lead up to that Nate fight. Came out hot-headed and uncharacteristically just tried to bull rush Nate. He did have a bit of success on some kicks later in the fight but just didn't follow up. A bit physically beat up and maybe mentally beaten already by then

Cyborg Santos isn't exactly a Pettis kicking machine but even he had some success with low leg kicks against Nick before he got dunked back in strikeforce. So I mean I don't think you have to be absolutely elite with kicks to be effective vs either Diaz

I do agree that it's not as easy as some people make it sound (you're right in that even Condit had to use a little bit of clinching/grappling when Nick got close before he shot out to the side). But it's clearly the strategy to take against both Diaz's even if it's not the absolute best part of your skills

Definitely also do agree that Conor's kicking game has been a bit more flash than real effectiveness. But he has the talent and athletisicm to make low kicking very effective vs Nate. Just a question of how long he can physically sustain it or if his ego will allow him to do it the entire fight if he can a la Condit

i was gonna bet on diaz but i changed my mind because reasons.

On August 04 2016 18:09 traxamillion wrote: That weak ass thigh/knee kick that is heavily telegraphed? Good luck landing that more than a couple times. Those arent the leg kicks that fuck up a diaz Connor cant throw good hard MT style leg kicks out of that wide ass karate stance. Sure he has some decent flashy spinning kicks or whatever but those are basically all body/head shots. Realistically connor has won basically all of his fights with the left. Dont expect the styles to change from the last fight to this fight much at all. They gonna largely box

those aren't used to fuck up your opponent. it's to get him off his rhythm. kinda like a jab in boxing. for some fighters they find that it's good to "check" their opponents from time to time. but it depends stylistically really.

On August 04 2016 20:05 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2016 08:14 Baalim wrote:   On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote: Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands. Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance. He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight. Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive. I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him.

I posed those kicks to showcase how he is very coordinated with his kicks, sure his game revolves around the left so he doesnt focus on them, thats why im saying he has to adjust the way he fights, but he is absolutely capable of leg kicking nate, Muay Thai kicks to the thigh are pretty simple and Nate being also a southpaw has never had to defend from those and also its very hard to catch a kick when your stance is that sideways, Nate usually keeps a high lead right hand, so to catch those kicks he would need to drop his hand and stop checking kicks, sounds like an adjustment that would make things worse for him.

That being said I dont expect Connor to make Nate limp or tap to kicks its simply to slow the pace of the fight, to force Nate to throw first so that he can be more efficient and precise with his left while countering

On August 04 2016 21:28 Spitfiree wrote: I wonder whats the game plan for Connor though, one of the worst match ups for him

Its not a bad match up for him he is simply fighting a bigger guy, a bad match up with be Nurmagomedov or RDA

On August 04 2016 18:09 traxamillion wrote: That weak ass thigh/knee kick

lol weak ass? a little more force and Nates leg would snap

On August 05 2016 00:30 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2016 20:05 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On August 04 2016 08:14 Baalim wrote:   On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote: Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands. Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance. He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight. Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive. I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him. I posed those kicks to showcase how he is very coordinated with his kicks, sure his game revolves around the left so he doesnt focus on them, thats why im saying he has to adjust the way he fights, but he is absolutely capable of leg kicking nate, Muay Thai kicks to the thigh are pretty simple and Nate being also a southpaw has never had to defend from those and also its very hard to catch a kick when your stance is that sideways, Nate usually keeps a high lead right hand, so to catch those kicks he would need to drop his hand and stop checking kicks, sounds like an adjustment that would make things worse for him. That being said I dont expect Connor to make Nate limp or tap to kicks its simply to slow the pace of the fight, to force Nate to throw first so that he can be more efficient and precise with his left while countering

I feel his stance is too wide for muay thai leg kicks. It'd make it extremely telegraphed and slow. I think we'll see karate style leg kicks which are way less damaging. I do agree they'll help score some points and set up his counters but it also leaves him open for counters. And I'm not sure he could keep that up for 5 rounds with Nick constantly pressuring him. Would help set up a ko though.

On August 04 2016 23:55 iakim322 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2016 20:05 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On August 04 2016 08:14 Baalim wrote:   On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote: Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands. Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance. He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight. Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive. I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him. Cerrone had a bit of a mental meltdown in the lead up to that Nate fight. Came out hot-headed and uncharacteristically just tried to bull rush Nate. He did have a bit of success on some kicks later in the fight but just didn't follow up. A bit physically beat up and maybe mentally beaten already by then Cyborg Santos isn't exactly a Pettis kicking machine but even he had some success with low leg kicks against Nick before he got dunked back in strikeforce. So I mean I don't think you have to be absolutely elite with kicks to be effective vs either Diaz I do agree that it's not as easy as some people make it sound (you're right in that even Condit had to use a little bit of clinching/grappling when Nick got close before he shot out to the side). But it's clearly the strategy to take against both Diaz's even if it's not the absolute best part of your skills Definitely also do agree that Conor's kicking game has been a bit more flash than real effectiveness. But he has the talent and athletisicm to make low kicking very effective vs Nate. Just a question of how long he can physically sustain it or if his ego will allow him to do it the entire fight if he can a la Condit

Cyborg was a pretty nasty kicker honestly and thats mostly what he was known for. And Nick pressured him and caught him anyways. But I agree with the rest. It's his best chance to win.


One thing I think will probably be a factor that no ones talks about is the grappling of Nate. He was able to stuff Conor on the cage multiple times and took him down really easily on his only attempt with that single leg. This time Nate will be decently bigger and stronger considering he's actually training and training to fight at WW, while Conor has noticeably lost some mass likely for cardio, meaning the clinch and takedowns will likely be an even much bigger advantage than the first time. Nate isn't Nick, he'll use takedowns if it benefits him.

So Conor is gonna need to add a lot of lateral movement to his game as he mostly most in straight lines or else I think he gets put on the cage and taken down.

On August 05 2016 06:20 Stim_Abuser wrote: I feel his stance is too wide for muay thai leg kicks. It'd make it extremely telegraphed and slow. I think we'll see karate style leg kicks which are way less damaging.

That is a pretty solid point, I didnt think about that, I guess they come into play if Conor circles to the right which in theory should be the angle he should be looking for his left arm too but this only adding more IFs... the switch inside leg kick probably wouldnt be a good idea since Nate is used to look for those from fighters in traditional stance and they are much easier to catch

I used to think Conor could cruise to a decision but the more I think about it he might not be able to, the fact that Nate is a southpaw is absolutely terrible for Conor, his best tools neutralized against lefties.

On August 05 2016 07:23 PuertoRican wrote:

would it be possible for connor to deliberately lose this fight to get a second fight vs diaz to get more money. we know connor is not just a show man. he is also smart, deep and sophisticated. i can see him do some shenanigans here for the show... and the money. it's not all fighting for him, it is drama and show business as well kinda like pro wrestling.

dunno... just talking out of my ass.. kinda. but is it possible?

C'mon guys its CoNor with ONE N! Heh, anyways, I really hope Conor pulls out the W. I have nothing against Diaz, but I prefer to watch pure strikers, especially with a karate background and unorthodox striking at times. I guess you could say I am a fan of Wonderboy, and I liked Machida when he was doing really well.

Did Nate have a full camp for their previous fight ? He came in a short notice no ?

On August 05 2016 10:45 Spitfiree wrote: Did Nate have a full camp for their previous fight ? He came in a short notice no ?

12 days notice, was drinking tequila shots and fucking bitches in Mexico when they called him.

On August 05 2016 10:11 lucky331 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 07:23 PuertoRican wrote: would it be possible for connor to deliberately lose this fight to get a second fight vs diaz to get more money. we know connor is not just a show man. he is also smart, deep and sophisticated. i can see him do some shenanigans here for the show... and the money. it's not all fighting for him, it is drama and show business as well kinda like pro wrestling. dunno... just talking out of my ass.. kinda. but is it possible?

No, if anything this loss derailed his hypre-train, he was on his way to be consiered the GOAT and now he is just another good fighter but nothing more

On August 05 2016 18:28 impact69 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 10:45 Spitfiree wrote: Did Nate have a full camp for their previous fight ? He came in a short notice no ? 12 days notice, was drinking tequila shots and fucking bitches in Mexico when they called him.

No he was running an Iron man, the Diaz brothers dont go out of shape when they arent on camp

On August 06 2016 04:27 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 18:28 impact69 wrote:   On August 05 2016 10:45 Spitfiree wrote: Did Nate have a full camp for their previous fight ? He came in a short notice no ? 12 days notice, was drinking tequila shots and fucking bitches in Mexico when they called him. No he was running an Iron man, the Diaz brothers dont go out of shape when they arent on camp

Nate was on vacation in Mexico when he first got the call to fight Conor; he said this several times.

Also, while Nate does cycling and running events, there was no Iron Man event in Mexico during the time Nate was on vacation.

I see, my bad

On August 06 2016 05:41 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2016 04:27 Baalim wrote:   On August 05 2016 18:28 impact69 wrote:   On August 05 2016 10:45 Spitfiree wrote: Did Nate have a full camp for their previous fight ? He came in a short notice no ? 12 days notice, was drinking tequila shots and fucking bitches in Mexico when they called him. No he was running an Iron man, the Diaz brothers dont go out of shape when they arent on camp Nate was on vacation in Mexico when he first got the call to fight Conor; he said this several times. Also, while Nate does cycling and running events, there was no Iron Man event in Mexico during the time Nate was on vacation.

iron man tequila event tho?

Yeah cause I rewatched the match and 1 of the 2 commentators said cardio should not be an issue for either man and i was like Wait what? How are they even comparing Diaz's cardio considering he s on a short time notice.

Its certainly annoying how they endorse McGregor passively, like the Aldo fight, Aldo saying he wants an instant rematch cause that fight was shit. Yes he lost pretty dumb and one could argue if it was a fluke, although I would not agree with that but telling him " Well it was certainly a fight " in an arrogant tone is mega retarded. I get it McGregor is the guy that brings most $ atm, but they shouldnt defend him for the smallest thing.He s not a lil kid, he can handle any comments... its disgraceful how they treat other fighters that have been with the organization for years.

When you mutually agree to fight on a given night, get given the go-ahead by the agreed upon referee then go out and get blasted...yeah, that certainly was a fight. No matter how short it was. I would argue that Aldo instantly (then continuously) trying to discredit the merits of that win was arrogant instead

On August 06 2016 04:26 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 10:11 lucky331 wrote:   On August 05 2016 07:23 PuertoRican wrote: would it be possible for connor to deliberately lose this fight to get a second fight vs diaz to get more money. we know connor is not just a show man. he is also smart, deep and sophisticated. i can see him do some shenanigans here for the show... and the money. it's not all fighting for him, it is drama and show business as well kinda like pro wrestling. dunno... just talking out of my ass.. kinda. but is it possible? No, if anything this loss derailed his hypre-train, he was on his way to be consiered the GOATand now he is just another good fighter but nothing more

Easy now, Conor has 13 seconds in the cage with a prepared top 5 fighter. It was a 13 second KO of one of the p4p best and GOATs no doubt, but I consider it mostly a flukey win due to Aldo being a retard.

On August 06 2016 18:22 iakim322 wrote: When you mutually agree to fight on a given night, get given the go-ahead by the agreed upon referee then go out and get blasted...yeah, that certainly was a fight. No matter how short it was. I would argue that Aldo instantly (then continuously) trying to discredit the merits of that win was arrogant instead

No, I agree, I just gave it as an example of many where the media around the UFC take the slightest of opportunities to artificially boost McGregor's rating which in a thinking human being would only lower it. At that point, he was the biggest douche in the UFC, but nevertheless anything he said, he did, no matter how arrogant it was. Why do you have to defend the guy at all, he had no flaw. Anyways went into a deep off topic, after rewatching the Diaz fight I can't wait for the rematch, should be really good.

On August 05 2016 10:11 lucky331 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 07:23 PuertoRican wrote: would it be possible for connor to deliberately lose this fight to get a second fight vs diaz to get more money. we know connor is not just a show man. he is also smart, deep and sophisticated. i can see him do some shenanigans here for the show... and the money. it's not all fighting for him, it is drama and show business as well kinda like pro wrestling. dunno... just talking out of my ass.. kinda. but is it possible?

not a chance

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Nate is going to fight the same way whether or not he has a full camp. Conor is going to make many adjustments and Nate is going to make zero adjustments.

^ what makes you say that?

i think connor is gonna over adjust and play it too safe.

I'm sure Nate brought in some powerful left handed boxers like Conor to spar with.

On August 10 2016 04:10 Stim_Abuser wrote: I'm sure Nate brought in some powerful left handed boxers like Conor to spar with.

This is his latest video. If you're bored, there's a lot of other interesting videos on that YouTube channel, which is the official "Road to UFC 202" channel that Conor is paying for himself.

On August 06 2016 23:04 PuertoRican wrote: • Sean Strickland out at UFC 202; promotion seeks new opponent for Tim Means. • Sultan Aliev was expected to face Hyun Gyu Lim at the event. However, Aliev pulled out of the fight in early August citing a wrist injury. Lim will now face promotional newcomer Mike Perry.

Sabah Homasi steps in for Sean Strickland.

Homasi had a quick win over Jorge Patino last week. Patino stepped in on a few days notice himself, so it wasn't much of a fight.

Homasi throws with a lot of power, but isn't anything special. He's an outside fighter who isn't dangerous in the clinch, and has no ground game. He's facing a guy in Tim Means who is both good from the outside and even more deadly in the clinch, and uses foot trips/foot sweeps to get guys down to the ground whom don't have a wrestling background, so look for Homasi to end up on his back at some point if Means doesn't beat him on the feet.

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The Ultimate Fighter: China winner Ning Guangyou tested positive for clenbuterol from an out-of-competition sample taken May 19, but USADA found he ingested the substance without fault or negligence. They reviewed the evidence of the case - Guangyou's whereabouts, dietary habits and the lab reports showing "very low parts per billion concentrations" of the substance - and determined that it very likely came from tainted meat, as Countries like Mexico and China have a high risk for meats contaminated with the substance. Guangyou will not face a suspension. He was expected to face Marlon Vera at this event, but due to this incident the bout was pushed back one week for UFC on Fox: Maia vs. Condit.

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Main Card (PPV)

Nate Diaz (19-10) vs. Conor McGregor (19-3) (Welterweight)
Anthony Johnson (21-5) vs. Glover Teixeira (25-4) (Light Heavyweight)
Rick Story (19-8) vs. Donald Cerrone (30-7) (Welterweight)
Hyun Gyu Lim (13-5-1) vs. Mike Perry (6-0) (Welterweight)
Tim Means (25-7-1) vs. Sabah Homasi (11-5) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Cody Garbrandt (9-0) vs. Takeya Mizugaki (21-9-2) (Bantamweight)
Raquel Pennington (7-5) vs. Elizabeth Phillips (5-3) (Women's Bantamweight)
Artem Lobov (11-12-1) vs. Chris Avila (5-2) (Featherweight)
Randa Markos (6-3) vs. Cortney Casey (5-3) (Strawweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Neil Magny (18-4) vs. Lorenz Larkin (17-5) (Welterweight)
Colby Covington (9-1) vs. Max Griffin (12-2) (Welterweight)
Alberto Uda (9-1) vs. Marvin Vettori (10-2) (Middleweight)

Neil Magny vs Lorenz Larkin is a sleeper match up, this fight is gonna be fire imo.

magny should be on the main card, not fight pass

They're just really pretty all in on pushing fight pass. Clearly a better fight than most with better name recognition outside the top 3 fights on the card

I'm having a little trouble picturing what this fight will look like. Not actually convinced their styles will mesh well

• Marvin Vettori vs. Alessandro Grandis (July 2012)
• Marvin Vettori vs. Tom Richards (August 2013)
• Marvin Vettori vs. Radovan Uskrt (February 2014)
• Marvin Vettori vs. Bill Beaumont (September 2014)
• Marvin Vettori vs. Daniele Scatizzi (May 2015)
• Marvin Vettori vs. Jack Mason (December 2015)
• Marvin Vettori vs. Igor Araujo (May 2016)

I think Diaz should be substantial favorite over McGoat. If Conor does not get the finish in the first 2 rounds He is doomed in this fight and I this is a very hard task to ask.

Mcgregor does not have the crippling kicks to trouble Diaz, not he can grapple with him without being in huge danger of getting finished. Also he can't just sit back and counterpunch as Diaz is not some reckless brawler who is going to run face first into a KO blow. Not to mention that this is not his style, He is a pressure fighter himslelf and sitting back will sooner or later create all sort of troubles when he slows down and starts eating jabs and 1-2s, by the longer, bigger and rangier fighter.

Size advantage also is going to be important factor. I read somewhere that Nate is walking around 200 pounds and that is huge difference with Conor who at his biggest weight is probably walking around 175.

All things considered I can't believe Diaz is at dog odds here. The only thing that I wonder is should I place my bet pre fight or livebet after the 1st round, when I expect Nate odds to be even juicier. Big value, imo.

Also like Larkin over Magny.

this fight won't be like the last one. i can see mcgregor taking it easy in the first 2 rounds, conserving his energy. but i'm biased. i made a bet that this goes over 2.5 rounds.

but yeah, the idea is conor conserving his energy + diaz durability = over 2.5 rounds.

Conor by tko round 1 or same old Diaz by sub round 2. Stupid rematch at 170lbs. Big mistake by Conor... unless he wins

Conor 3 or 4th by TKO

On August 12 2016 21:12 northsails wrote: I think Diaz should be substantial favorite over McGoat. If Conor does not get the finish in the first 2 rounds He is doomed in this fight and I this is a very hard task to ask. Mcgregor does not have the crippling kicks to trouble Diaz, not he can grapple with him without being in huge danger of getting finished. Also he can't just sit back and counterpunch as Diaz is not some reckless brawler who is going to run face first into a KO blow. Not to mention that this is not his style, He is a pressure fighter himslelf and sitting back will sooner or later create all sort of troubles when he slows down and starts eating jabs and 1-2s, by the longer, bigger and rangier fighter. Size advantage also is going to be important factor. I read somewhere that Nate is walking around 200 pounds and that is huge difference with Conor who at his biggest weight is probably walking around 175. All things considered I can't believe Diaz is at dog odds here. The only thing that I wonder is should I place my bet pre fight or livebet after the 1st round, when I expect Nate odds to be even juicier. Big value, imo. Also like Larkin over Magny.

Agree with this for the most part but I hardly doubt Nate is walking close to 200 pounds. He might have been a month ago but I doubt he's planning on cutting 25+ pounds to make weight lol. Thats bigger than many MWs.

I agree tho that a more patient Conor is just a Conor that is sitting more at Diaz range getting cracked by 1-2's. To avoid getting hit Conor needs to move in and out a lot and circle away from the cage etc and that takes a lot of energy. So if he tries to be efficient and not move as much I see him getting hit a lot more.

I'd like to see Diaz try to grapple more. He took Conor down pretty easily off that single leg when he tried. Now that he's even bigger and in better shape and Conor is reportedly smaller it should be even easier.

I think Conor might employ a similar strategy that Josh Thomson used against Nate. I don't expect a heavy kicking game like Josh did, but Conor probably saw how Josh was able to avoid any major confrontation with Nate by constantly moving and not letting him plant his feet and set up his combos.

If Conor can keep sticking and moving around for 25 minutes, Nate will get frustrated and throw his hands up and talk shit, trying to bait Conor into a brawl. Nate will be forced to reach with those pawing hooks that he uses, which are basically slaps and are used to kind of hook your opponent and slow them down from escaping so you can cleanly attack them.

Remember, Nate is a stationary target for the most part, and relies on his leg reach and arm reach a lot in his fights, especially when he's fighting guys who are Conor's height or shorter.

On August 05 2016 06:20 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2016 00:30 Baalim wrote:   On August 04 2016 20:05 Stim_Abuser wrote:   On August 04 2016 08:14 Baalim wrote:   On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote: Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands. Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance. He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight. Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive. I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him. I posed those kicks to showcase how he is very coordinated with his kicks, sure his game revolves around the left so he doesnt focus on them, thats why im saying he has to adjust the way he fights, but he is absolutely capable of leg kicking nate, Muay Thai kicks to the thigh are pretty simple and Nate being also a southpaw has never had to defend from those and also its very hard to catch a kick when your stance is that sideways, Nate usually keeps a high lead right hand, so to catch those kicks he would need to drop his hand and stop checking kicks, sounds like an adjustment that would make things worse for him. That being said I dont expect Connor to make Nate limp or tap to kicks its simply to slow the pace of the fight, to force Nate to throw first so that he can be more efficient and precise with his left while countering I feel his stance is too wide for muay thai leg kicks. It'd make it extremely telegraphed and slow. I think we'll see karate style leg kicks which are way less damaging. I do agree they'll help score some points and set up his counters but it also leaves him open for counters. And I'm not sure he could keep that up for 5 rounds with Nick constantly pressuring him. Would help set up a ko though.

I agree with this but I feel a distinction should be made between kyokushin karate leg kicks (which are powerful as hell, just thrown in a different way) and whatever leg kicks are available from the more stereotypical wide legged karate stance.

Obviously you can't throw a kyokushin leg kick standing the way he does, either

On August 13 2016 13:37 whamm! wrote: Conor 3 or 4th by TKO

yep. except i think this goes to the 5th.

Since Conor is coming in with a different game plan this fight, I don't really seeing him winning via TKO, especially not in R4/R5. Nate would have to lose via cut for Conor to get a late finish; however, this is a possibility since Nate always gets cut easy around his eyes.

Conor has said repeatedly that he:

1. Is coming in with a different game plan.
2. Acknowledges that Nate is tough and durable and can take a shot, which is why Conor gassed in their first fight.
3. Conor said mentioned in the video above how this fight will go longer, but this time he'll still be there beating Nate up and not gas like before.
4. Conor's coach expects a 4th round finish, but it's unlikely imo.

If I were betting this fight, I'd take Conor decision +500, and Nate's ML at +100 or better (it keeps going up and down). I have a feeling Nate will lose if it going to a decision, even though he'll land way more significant strikes on Conor.

I think we might see Nate employ some clinching against the cage, where he can put his weight on Conor and get in a few shots while Conor uses his own energy trying to get himself out of the clinch.

Also, like I mentioned a few posts up, I think Conor will use the Josh Thomson strategy of heavy movement, while never letting Nate get comfortable enough to land with any of his combos. Will this work for 25 minutes? I don't think so, but it'll be interesting to see. If Conor doesn't use heavy movement, then he'll be forced to trade with Nate cuz Nate throws high volume punches at all times, so it kinda makes sense that Conor will use heavy movement.

I'd be very impressed if Conor was able to suddenly have good lateral movement. That's generally not something you can suddenly get good at in one camp. Conor really only moves in straight lines so that he can plant his feet at any moment to throw his power left. His game revolves around this to a big degree. Adding a bunch of lateral movement would make it much harder to plant his feet to throw that power shot. Just look at Cruz/Frankie/MM/even thomson. Those guys rarely ever get off big power shots because their feet are rarely planted to do so. Only person I know about to really pull it off is Wonderboy, but his movement and distance control is worlds better than Conors as well as his kicking game.

On August 14 2016 07:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: I'd be very impressed if Conor was able to suddenly have good lateral movement. That's generally not something you can suddenly get good at in one camp. Conor really only moves in straight lines so that he can plant his feet at any moment to throw his power left. His game revolves around this to a big degree. Adding a bunch of lateral movement would make it much harder to plant his feet to throw that power shot. Just look at Cruz/Frankie/MM/even thomson. Those guys rarely ever get off big power shots because their feet are rarely planted to do so. Only person I know about to really pull it off is Wonderboy, but his movement and distance control is worlds better than Conors as well as his kicking game.

The problem is, Conor thinks he is ready for this rematch, but it was dumb of him to want to rematch Nate only 5 months after losing to him. Yes, Conor was preparing for a different guy and had to adjust his fight style and get used to fighting at a bigger weightclass at the last minute, but Nate was on vacation and pretty much went on autopilot and did his thing. Also, Conor has shown to be a successful counter striker and pounce on opponents when he sees weakness, yet he was super aggro against Nate in their first fight.

The reason why I think we'll see Conor attempt to employ a lot of movement in this fight is because he mentioned his movement, and he also brought back Ido Portal for this fight, that creepy European movement coach he played touchbutt with. I think we'll for sure see Conor be more defensive in this fight and let Nate come to him this time, so he can counter like he's used to. And, if he is more defensive, he'll need to move more, or risk getting overwhelmed and get caught up in a brawl due to a lack of foot movement.

Either way, it should be a great fight.

The one fight I'm having the hardest time predicting is Rumble vs. Glover, as I don't believe they'll meet in the middle where Rumble will get a quick KO like most people think. I've recently thought of 2 ways it can go to a decision, which seems weird considering they're both fighters who finish their fights. Anyway, this is the fight that can make or break my DraftKings teams, so I hope I pick it right.

I can't believe a high level athlete like Conor had nobody around him who understands resting and over training. He will never peak at the right moment like that.

On August 14 2016 07:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: I'd be very impressed if Conor was able to suddenly have good lateral movement. That's generally not something you can suddenly get good at in one camp. Conor really only moves in straight lines so that he can plant his feet at any moment to throw his power left. His game revolves around this to a big degree. Adding a bunch of lateral movement would make it much harder to plant his feet to throw that power shot. Just look at Cruz/Frankie/MM/even thomson. Those guys rarely ever get off big power shots because their feet are rarely planted to do so. Only person I know about to really pull it off is Wonderboy, but his movement and distance control is worlds better than Conors as well as his kicking game.

I agree that Connor has very little lateral moment, he is pretty good at linear distance though kind of like Machida however I strongly disagree that lateral movement means no KO power you can see that in boxing, Mike Tyson used the offensive pivot all the time, Roy Jones Jr danced turned their opponents always looking for weird angles, Jack Dempsey, Muhammed Ali etc.

just made a bet. Connor via unanimous decision at +800.

On August 14 2016 23:59 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2016 07:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: I'd be very impressed if Conor was able to suddenly have good lateral movement. That's generally not something you can suddenly get good at in one camp. Conor really only moves in straight lines so that he can plant his feet at any moment to throw his power left. His game revolves around this to a big degree. Adding a bunch of lateral movement would make it much harder to plant his feet to throw that power shot. Just look at Cruz/Frankie/MM/even thomson. Those guys rarely ever get off big power shots because their feet are rarely planted to do so. Only person I know about to really pull it off is Wonderboy, but his movement and distance control is worlds better than Conors as well as his kicking game. I agree that Connor has very little lateral moment, he is pretty good at linear distance though kind of like Machida however I strongly disagree that lateral movement means no KO power you can see that in boxing, Mike Tyson used the offensive pivot all the time, Roy Jones Jr danced turned their opponents always looking for weird angles, Jack Dempsey, Muhammed Ali etc.

That kind of footwork and pivoting is different than the lateral movement used in MMA. You can't really use that kind of movement/pivoting in MMA because it leaves you completely exposed to leg kicks and takedown which is why you haven't seen anyone really use it. When you pivot in boxing you keep your lead leg planted which is death against leg kicks and singles. The reason the Diaz bros are so susceptible to leg kicks and singles is because they kind of adopt the boxing stance. Even modified for MMA without the use of pivoting they still get eaten up by those things and it'd be even worse if they didn't have giant reaches to help counter leg kickers.

I didn't mean to imply its impossible to plant and have power with lateral movement, it is. It's just much, much harder to accomplish and you gotta be a wizard to pull it off.

On August 14 2016 17:52 Montrachet wrote: I can't believe a high level athlete like Conor had nobody around him who understands resting and over training. He will never peak at the right moment like that.

When you are the captain of the ship, ain't nobody gonna tell you shit out of respect.

A good trainer is always the captain of the ship, doesnt matter if he s training the GOAT or a 5yo kid.

Well, obviously hes not a good trainer. No disrespect but we can't say most fighters are wise. They need to read a study or two about training if they are going to make it their life. Hendricks is a good example of idiot . My field of study is biochemistry and I fell that I know more about training and general health than they do.

On August 15 2016 04:44 jvilla777 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2016 17:52 Montrachet wrote: I can't believe a high level athlete like Conor had nobody around him who understands resting and over training. He will never peak at the right moment like that. When you are the captain of the ship, ain't nobody gonna tell you shit out of respect.

That's not respect. That's just being a yes man.

On August 15 2016 03:40 PuertoRican wrote:

Connors leg kicks training in Mjolinar look comically shitty and weak

https://youtu.be/x5fg8zMC948?t=8m26s


This video was already posted, but I'm re-posting it to focus on the part where Conor shoots for a take down and they scramble on the mat in Round 2 of their first fight.

From 8:30 to 14:00 of the video, Dan Hardy goes frame-by-frame and breaks the entire scramble down on his massive flat screen TV. It's really interesting, imo.

On August 17 2016 03:18 PuertoRican wrote: https://youtu.be/x5fg8zMC948?t=8m26s This video was already posted, but I'm re-posting it to focus on the part where Conor shoots for a take down and they scramble on the mat in Round 2 of their first fight. From 8:30 to 14:00 of the video, Dan Hardy goes frame-by-frame and breaks the entire scramble down on his massive flat screen TV. It's really interesting, imo.

that was a good video I remembered that McGregor simply got down so tired that he got easily mounted but it wasnt that simple, nice moves by diaz

They don't bother showing Story on the Vlog lol.

I just found out that Nate Diaz has his own "Road to the Octagon" videos called "Road 2 War," which you can find here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtbmC1qIbeRc5OZD4DGSVfw/videos

Conor's "Road to the Octagon" videos can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC789h3eqw0H1HqGmIsI26OA/videos

On August 15 2016 02:41 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2016 23:59 Baalim wrote:   On August 14 2016 07:19 Stim_Abuser wrote: I'd be very impressed if Conor was able to suddenly have good lateral movement. That's generally not something you can suddenly get good at in one camp. Conor really only moves in straight lines so that he can plant his feet at any moment to throw his power left. His game revolves around this to a big degree. Adding a bunch of lateral movement would make it much harder to plant his feet to throw that power shot. Just look at Cruz/Frankie/MM/even thomson. Those guys rarely ever get off big power shots because their feet are rarely planted to do so. Only person I know about to really pull it off is Wonderboy, but his movement and distance control is worlds better than Conors as well as his kicking game. I agree that Connor has very little lateral moment, he is pretty good at linear distance though kind of like Machida however I strongly disagree that lateral movement means no KO power you can see that in boxing, Mike Tyson used the offensive pivot all the time, Roy Jones Jr danced turned their opponents always looking for weird angles, Jack Dempsey, Muhammed Ali etc. That kind of footwork and pivoting is different than the lateral movement used in MMA. You can't really use that kind of movement/pivoting in MMA because it leaves you completely exposed to leg kicks and takedown which is why you haven't seen anyone really use it. When you pivot in boxing you keep your lead leg planted which is death against leg kicks and singles. The reason the Diaz bros are so susceptible to leg kicks and singles is because they kind of adopt the boxing stance. Even modified for MMA without the use of pivoting they still get eaten up by those things and it'd be even worse if they didn't have giant reaches to help counter leg kickers. I didn't mean to imply its impossible to plant and have power with lateral movement, it is. It's just much, much harder to accomplish and you gotta be a wizard to pull it off.

pivoting definitely leaves you open to leg kicks, but its not like you are going to pivot every single time, its just a tool, for example Jose Aldo absolutely destroyed Edgar by pivoting with the check hook.. he ran past Aldo every time Ronda style, and it doesnt leave you that open to singles because you are already at 90 degrees when they catch your leg, so you are halfway escaping already, all you need to do is pull the leg hard.

And that is only if we talk about the checkhook pivot, there is also the lead straight right and escape to the side that Roy Jones JR does all the time or the Tyson fake left hook shuffle to a right hook between the guard.


Maybe you are envisioning a super elusive McGregor moving all over the place and I dont think thats the way he should go, he has a clear edge on the pocket he doesnt have to run away, but he cant simply stay in and tire himself, he has to make Nate work a little bit more to get him to trade, punish the legs and slow down the pace.

5dimes: Nate Diaz +5½ at -125

Amazing line considering his ML was -105 yesterday. His current ML is back up to +110, which will get a lot of biters. I assume the bookie is manually adjusting the line so it can get more action on both sides, which is the end-goal for a sports book.

I just made my bets only Connor and Magny for this event.

Conor has been emotional in several videos this week.

He used to say he never let himself get emotional. Now that he lost a fight, he's the one showing emotions, while the guy who finished him 5 months ago is as calm as ever.

True.

Easy to be calm when you've got your degenerate crew of 20+ backing you up though.

I'm rootin' for Conor, but I do worry about his emotional involvement.

Some armchair psychology from me. It seems that Conor is losing the mental warfare with Nate pretty badly.

Usually we see him annoying his opponents and laughing his ass off, but here the roles are reversed. He looked genuinely frustrated that Diaz walked off the press conference. ( great move by Nate, imo :D ), also it is clear that his confidence has taken a big hit.

Don't know if that has any bearing on the fight, but if He comes out emotional trying to take Nate out, he is going to play right into his hands.

As for other fights on the card, I think Garbrandt - Mizugaki line atm is way off. Garbrandt is unproven and basically has no legit wins on his record and Mizugaki is a solid vet who can grind out a victory here.

On August 19 2016 14:57 northsails wrote: As for other fights on the card, I think Garbrandt - Mizugaki line atm is way off. Garbrandt is unproven and basically has no legit wins on his record and Mizugaki is a solid vet who can grind out a victory here.

Garbrandt is better in every area of MMA when compared to Mizugaki.

- better boxer
- better kicker
- power advantage
- hand + foot speed advantage
- better wrestler (offensive & defensive)
- 7 years younger and less wear & tear

Mizugaki is good at what he does, but he hasn't upgraded his skills in many years and everyone knows what they get when they fight him. He's been used as a stepping stone for Garbrandt, as Garbrandt was originally supposed to fight #4 ranked Bryan Caraway, but Caraway pulled out. This isn't a short notice fight, but there wasn't anyone else for Garbrandt to fight and he's expected to get a title shot after this win.

Everyone made weight.

I mean... Nate s probably gonna weight 5kgs more during the fight + he has the emotional game won, we didn't think Conor would be affected last time, but he was and things are just looking worse.

On August 19 2016 16:55 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2016 14:57 northsails wrote: As for other fights on the card, I think Garbrandt - Mizugaki line atm is way off. Garbrandt is unproven and basically has no legit wins on his record and Mizugaki is a solid vet who can grind out a victory here. Garbrandt is better in every area of MMA when compared to Mizugaki. - better boxer - better kicker - power advantage - hand + foot speed advantage - better wrestler (offensive & defensive) - 7 years younger and less wear & tear Mizugaki is good at what he does, but he hasn't upgraded his skills in many years and everyone knows what they get when they fight him. He's been used as a stepping stone for Garbrandt, as Garbrandt was originally supposed to fight #4 ranked Bryan Caraway, but Caraway pulled out. This isn't a short notice fight, but there wasn't anyone else for Garbrandt to fight and he's expected to get a title shot after this win.

Agree with you on most points and if I got to pick who takes this fight, I will for sure pick Garbrand and probably by TKO/KO, but at the same time He has not been tested so far in his career. He has fought a bunch of cans and his best win is Almeida where he starched him early.

Who knows what happens if Mizugaki withstands the storm early and starts putting the pressure on Cody. He is tough and capable of doing so. Worth a small stab at this odds, imo.

On August 19 2016 18:50 northsails wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2016 16:55 PuertoRican wrote:   On August 19 2016 14:57 northsails wrote: As for other fights on the card, I think Garbrandt - Mizugaki line atm is way off. Garbrandt is unproven and basically has no legit wins on his record and Mizugaki is a solid vet who can grind out a victory here. Garbrandt is better in every area of MMA when compared to Mizugaki. - better boxer - better kicker - power advantage - hand + foot speed advantage - better wrestler (offensive & defensive) - 7 years younger and less wear & tear Mizugaki is good at what he does, but he hasn't upgraded his skills in many years and everyone knows what they get when they fight him. He's been used as a stepping stone for Garbrandt, as Garbrandt was originally supposed to fight #4 ranked Bryan Caraway, but Caraway pulled out. This isn't a short notice fight, but there wasn't anyone else for Garbrandt to fight and he's expected to get a title shot after this win. Agree with you on most points and if I got to pick who takes this fight, I will for sure pick Garbrand and probably by TKO/KO, but at the same time He has not been tested so far in his career. He has fought a bunch of cans and his best win is Almeida where he starched him early. Who knows what happens if Mizugaki withstands the storm early and starts putting the pressure on Cody. He is tough and capable of doing so. Worth a small stab at this odds, imo.

If you give Mizugaki any type of chance, the only bets I'd suggest would be:

o1.5 rounds @ -147
Mizugaki decision +715

Cody won't gas and it's unlikely he gets taken down, so you're basically hoping Mizugaki can win a decision, which is how he always wins fights anyways.

conor's arms looking huge

On August 19 2016 22:39 traxamillion wrote: conor's arms looking huge

He doesn't look much different to me, aside from the vertical muscles in his armpits being more defined in the most recent picture.

He weighed in at 168. Same as before when he was eating steaks all day errrday.

There's also the lighting difference. The first pic was from the official weigh-in, while the second pic doesn't have all bright lights turned on.

ITD everyone sayin mcgregor is emotional af which is clearly true, this shows in the embedded videos. Comparing these to the last embedded videos mcgregor cool af.

As much as I want Gregor to win I so we can see a trilogy I am most likely gonna end up betting diaz just from all the preview videos and subtle tells I can see from both fighters.

I don't see many ways Diaz can win.

On August 20 2016 02:22 Minsk wrote: I don't see many ways Diaz can win.

Thanks for your amazing insight on the fight.

I'm worried about nate's eyebrow. would hate to see it end via doctor stoppage

On August 20 2016 02:22 Minsk wrote: I don't see many ways Diaz can win.

lol this post

Mike Perry's records and the odds... pretty crazy.

Smashed this bet ML

On August 20 2016 02:22 Minsk wrote: I don't see many ways Diaz can win.

Ways Nate Diaz can win:
1) Standing up
2) On the ground

You may be on to something here...

On August 20 2016 06:23 jvilla777 wrote: Mike Perry's records and the odds... pretty crazy. Smashed this bet ML

1. Perry is just a boxer/brawler who throws 1 big punch at a time. He has no wrestling or BJJ skills.
2. Perry only has Round 1 to get this finished, or he'll start to gas. Not to mention he's making his UFC debut, which often means nervousness and an energy dump due to the excitement/jitters.
3. He's undersized for welterweight, and he's facing 1 of the 2 biggest guys at welterweight who is much taller, longer reach, stronger, and has better cardio.
4. Perry has been knocked out before in boxing (he's 0-1), and has been dropped a few times in a few of his pro MMA fights. In one fight, he got dropped at the end of the round and used the 1 minute break to recover.

If I were going to bet Perry, it'd only be via KO/TKO @ +465, or Perry in Round 1 @ +725.

On August 20 2016 06:23 jvilla777 wrote: Mike Perry's records and the odds... pretty crazy. Smashed this bet ML

Perry is terrible. He is going to get starched early in this fight.

Yeah I was also tempted on betting on Perry for that odds and his record, but I saw 4 of his fights and I declined immediately, he is pretty terrible.

SO pumped for this fight! I think this will be far better than the first, no idea who's winning and depends on Conor's gas tank improving with the added weight. If he shows up relaxed but aggressive he'll take this.

To be honest, i hope Diaz loses, althought I'm cheering for him on the inside, only so we can see a 3rd fight. Who would win the fight speculations are as good as guesses at this point. Gonna be much harder for Conor this time around imo, Diaz probably wont get wrecked in round 1 like last time.

All-in McGregor

fuck all

On August 20 2016 18:36 JonnyCosMo wrote: All-in McGregor fuck all

USA, MOTHERFUCKER!!!

Line movement with 3 hours until the first fight:

McGregor -125
Diaz +115

Johnson -165
Teixeira +155

Cerrone -115
Story +105

Magny -110
Larkin +100

Final picks:

• Diaz > McGregor
• Teixeira > Johnson
• Cerrone > Story
• Lim > Perry
• Means > Homasi (this one is tricky; Homasi being underrated)
• Garbrandt > Mizugaki
• Pennington > Phillips
• Lobov > Avila
• Casey > Markos
• Magny > Larkin (tough fight to call; it could go either way)
• Covington > Griffin
• Vettori > Uda

Some small bets:

Covington ITD - +190
Larkin - +130
Larkin via Decision - +260
Casey - +120
Casey via Decision - +270
Casey/Markos o 2.5 - -220
Johnson ITD = +105
Johnson in Round 1 - +170

Parlay:
Pennington + Garbrandt + Johnson + Means

I am also going all in McGregor.

He loses this fight he can pretty much retire.

Surprised to see you picking Glover SU.

I think he's just as good of an all around fighter as Rumble but I don't think he's good enough at any one thing to avoid the bombs, he'd really have to fight the perfect round by round fight to get it to the point where he could employ his awesome top game.

On August 20 2016 22:18 casinocasino wrote: I am also going all in McGregor. He loses this fight he can pretty much retire.

If he loses this fight, UFC will do another amazing job at spinning it so that Conor looks like he defied the odds by fighting a guy who is much bigger than him at a higher weight class, and coming up short in two close fights.

Conor will then go back to 145 and defend his belt where he'll be at his "natural" weight class and you and the other McGregor fans will eat it up cuz he'll be facing Jose Aldo again to unify the featherweight belts.

Conor will lose a lot of shine if he loses to Nate for the 2nd time, but he'll still be the most marketable guy in the UFC and still be a champion, so it won't be as terrible as you think.

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Fight Pass prelims start in 7 minutes: https://www.ufc.tv/video/ufc-202-fight-pass-prelims

Not touching the Conor fight because I really want him to win but don't see any reason why he should be favored.

On August 20 2016 22:24 soberstone wrote: Surprised to see you picking Glover SU. I think he's just as good of an all around fighter as Rumble but I don't think he's good enough at any one thing to avoid the bombs, he'd really have to fight the perfect round by round fight to get it to the point where he could employ his awesome top game.

Rumble vs. Glover was the hardest pick for me. I'm still not 100% confident on it, but after watching tape and theory crafting the possible results, I liked Glover's chances more.

If I were to bet Rumble, the line I liked most when I looked yesterday was Rumble R1 +170.
As a Glover backer, the lines that interested me the most were Glover ML +190 and Glover KO/TKO +880.

Easy submission for Vettori. Hopefully they give him another soft opponent next time so he can have the needed time to keep developing his striking.

Randomly threw vettori (0 clue who he is) in a cpl lineups just because I didn't felt like anyone fighting Uda should've been that cheap after seeing udas debut. Good to see it come through. See ya later Uda. He can't possibly be given another chance

I'm on Diaz, Glover, and cerrone. Wouldnt be at all surprised going a clear 0-3 there tho. With a small one on Avila mostly because artem is not very good at mma. Was going to be on magny but just passed. Feel like you could run that fight 20 times and it'd be a split decision like 13 or 14 times.

Hope Gatbrandt wins and obv he should but just a weird feeling that he's overlooking mizugaki too much riding high off his last win

My DK teams:

2. Cerrone, Diaz, Garbrandt, Lim, Pennington ($5 DU)
3. Cerrone, Diaz, Garbrandt, Lim, Pennington ($300 free roll)
4. Cerrone, Diaz, Garbrandt, Lim, Pennington ($5000 free roll)
5. Cerrone, Diaz, Garbrandt, Lim, Pennington (Satellite to $33 event)
6. Cerrone, Diaz, Garbrandt, Lim, Pennington
7. Diaz, Garbrandt, Johnson, Pennington, Uda
8. Garbrandt, Larkin, Lobov, Pennington, Uda
9. Diaz, Larkin, Pennington, Teixeira, Vettori
10. Garbrandt, Lim, Means, Teixeira, Vettori
11. Covington, Garbrandt, Homasi, Lim, Teixeira
12. Covington, Diaz, Lim, Pennington, Teixeira
13. Covington, Diaz, Lim, Story, Vettori
14. Covington, Garbrandt, Johnson, Perry, Vettori
15. Cerrone, Covington, Garbrandt, Homasi, Pennington
16. Garbrandt, Griffin, Homasi, Perry, Vettori
17. Garbrandt, Homasi, Johnson, Lim, Vettori
18. Casey, Diaz, Garbrandt, Lim, Pennington
19. Cerrone, Diaz, Johnson, Lim, Vettori
20. Diaz, Garbrandt, Griffin, Johnson, Lim
21. Diaz, Garbrandt, Johnson, Means, Vettori
22. Garbrandt, Lim, McGregor, Pennington, Teixeira

Wow. Raped. Love it.

BIG win for Lorenz Larkin. Glad he got it done, even though I thought Magny would win by decision.

easiest money on larking. can't believe they were giving him away at +135. hammered that

never seen someone get chewed up by leg kicks that quickly. worse than something Barbosa or Aldo might do

Damn stepped out a minute too long. Barely caught the end. Good to see my read of that fight was 100% off. Sucks for magny. Significantly bigger set back than getting jui jitsuied by Maia

I like that Covington itd bet jon.

I just parlayed him straight up with lim.

I put a small bet on avila.

took story SU +135

Larkin + story + diaz parlay for +1000

rumble rd1 +150

put some money on diaz at +odds but I just hope that's a good fight wont be pissed whoever wins.

if rumble keeps dropping I'm going to hit that moneyline. but on my site (bovada) he is still -200 where he has been the whole time.

diaz is also -105 but if I see him drop to +115 or better like some of you guys have available I will prob put some more on that

Randa Markos is such trash rofl.

Easy win for Casey. I thought she might win by TKO in R1, not by submission. Markos is just bad.

anyone else just see that dude with the undescended testicles win the womens Olympic 800m final without even trying?

On August 21 2016 00:24 traxamillion wrote: anyone else just see that dude with the undescended testicles win the womens Olympic 800m final without even trying?

rofl what?

rofl look up caster semenya, intersex athlete. sandbagging to not break the world record. they were forcing her to take testosterone suppression drugs the last several years but that has been lifted so the shit just isn't fair at all. just bitching cause I think it is dumb

Quite the random post there traxamillion

Glad to see Randa lose tho I had nothing on Casey

yea who watches the Olympics.

time to see what conor's bf can do

On August 21 2016 00:27 traxamillion wrote: rofl look up caster semenya, intersex athlete. sandbagging to not break the world record. they were forcing her to take testosterone suppression drugs the last several years but that has been lifted so the shit just isn't fair at all. just bitching cause I think it is dumb

Oh yah pretty much as bad as as Fallon Fox type shit but there's a better built in moral excuse because atleast this dude was born with a vagina too. Still retarded.

avila looks scrawny, maybe I should have looked him up rather than just blindly betting against lobov

avila needs to hit the fking gym

Me too. Except he looked more confident in general in the one fight I did see of him. Fighting like he's a little too spooked of artems power. Or debut jitters

man this fight sucks

Avilas punches are like the Diaz's. Only without the volume or accuracy