Turning white space into words. It is actually one of the rewarding facets of my work as a prep cook. I take an empty cambrio or an empty pan and then I fill it up with food. That food eventually goes to people that want a good meal. There is dopamine involved with cutting mozzarella for an hour. That is a $10 job. Well, I can fill up about a third of a gas tank with that, I can go to 10 AA meetings, or I can buy dinner. It is rewarding to fill up the 3 or 4 pans, put the lids on them, label them and secure them where they will be stored until needed.
I want more money. I want more freedom. Who doesn't? At least I am getting some money to live a little bit of a life. How much is enough? What are the positives and negatives of living a "bigger" life? Do I even want a "robust" life? I would say yes I do want a robust life. I want to strive for excellence. Be an all-rounder like Odysseus or Hector. I don't know if I am living up to that spending most of my free time searching message boards and twitter for something, anything that is stimulating. Bitcoin is pretty fascinating yet I am not a computer scientist or engineer. I don't think I necessarily have to be to bet on the future but I think I do have to be to be able to value these alt coins' technology accurately.
One thing I don't want to do is end up like so many and like I was in the past in that hellish loop of alcoholism and addiction. My sister made a collage of Basquiat for me which is hanging on my wall which made me think of this. I have a friend who woke up in a body bag and she was shooting dope the very next day.
I don't want to die. I am afraid of death just like I am afraid of getting injured or ill. Trump made that horrendous tweet yesterday or whenever it was and I sort of made a mental prayer that if the nukes are in the air I wish to be sleeping. That would not be a bad way of going. But, it could be interesting to be awake and observant to how people are reacting in those final hours, minutes, seconds. I don't know what I would do with that information it just could be interesting.
I am just passing the time. Filling white space with words. Maybe I can learn something about myself. When I am fully immersed it does transcend the here and the now even if I am just blabbing about myself. I think we have been through that I can be incredibly self-obsessed and self-centered. AA says I need a God to fix that. I just think it is part of who I am and I am just going to have to work through it. I would like to help the homeless and people in jail more. I don't really have that experience though. I should be helping people in psych wards more. Obviously, alcoholics. When you go to these detoxes it seems like a lot of people just don't care. It is best to get the people that actually show up to an AA meeting but I don't even really want to go to these things. That is a way for me to transcend the here and now by the way. Helping people especially the struggling and/or suffering.
What does it mean to be a human being?
I really don't know what I am going to write on this. We shit and we also know that we are going to die. I think that could be the easiest way to sum it up. We are animal, we are chimps with bigger brains, but we know some stuff about the universe and we know we will die. It is amazing to me how we separate off into our tribes. Representative democracy which is bullshit. The USA at least does not have a real democracy. We have allowed corporations, banks, and government to run things. Does bitcoin have a chance? Well, I think it has a little bit of a chance. I digress though.
A lot of people like shiny things. News. New bracelet, new necklace, new bag, new dress, new car, new house, new news. I am cool. I have status. I wish to be king of the social hierarchy. "Competence" hierarchies. What does it say about the USA that a majority of people thought Trump was the most competent to be president? Trump and Kim Jong Un blowing up the earth might just be the most fitting end to humanity. Eventual extinction is definitely a facet of being a human being.
I thought it was worth listening to, just frustrating seeing how overpowering JBP was (to the point of indecency at around 1:01:00-1:02:00) and how he just couldn't stick to discussing one topic at a time, he jumped to something else whenever it was most convenient to him. I think it was the first time he actually debated a professor of philosophy, or any professor for that matter, at least while it was not on the subject of trans rights/pronouns. So I was interested to see how he would fare. Anyway, I discussed it plenty on reddit already, don't want to repeat myself here.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On January 23 2018 10:04 Loco wrote:
I don't think I've changed much at all as a person over time. Only my interests and knowledge-base have changed significantly. In fact you were already making this "sage ego trap" argument ten years ago. I think you've always liked throwing that around because it's such a facile thing to do and it can't be disproven. It also sounds meta so that's cool right? My ego has always been a big deal to you. Similarly, I think you're still the same, but mostly still with the same talking points as well unfortunately. I think you would do well to reflect on this as part of a dynamic process between personalities, it's interrelational, not something static and inherent in a person. You don't know how I behave with others who aren't antagonistic like you are
You havent, and yes I've done this ego trap argument before, but not because you suggest its some clever trick that cant be debunked, but that is because I percieve you, just the fact that you say that your ego has always been a big deal to me talks for itself lol.
You're projecting with the snobbism accusation. You're the one who made a baseless accusation in a patronizing way here. I hadn't done anything to you or anyone here. You think it's a snobbish thing to react negatively to the pretentious content of someone whose entire intellectual life is ruled by conservative culture war talking heads. Really? Clearly you just can't get over the fact that I don't take these people seriously because I have an alternative which you seem to lack. That's too bad for you, but honestly it's your problem if you can't get over it. It's your ego that's feeling threatened, don't blame me for actually caring enough to get a proper intellectual education outside of the cesspool that is social media filter bubbles.
So you are not snobbish at all, poor me has nothign else going than following conservative talking heads, unlike you who have alternatives... so you are redpilled I see ! lol
That's not something you see out of redpillers, the whole thing is an echo chamber and they have zero interest in serious philosophical discourse. You can criticize blatant dogmatism and closed-mindedness without risking to fall prey to it.
Yet the people these redpillers fight literally wont debate or worse will violently shut down dissidents, I dont see you posting memes about them, why is that?
I did correct you. You claimed that competition was the only constructive drive in nature. I linked you to clear evidence of the opposite. We can debate this any time if you are up to it (in a different thread). It's weird though, how do you reconcile your belief that people's egos should be small, yet according to you there is nothing else to life other than competition, i.e. egos competing with one another? Shouldn't you admire people with gigantic egos? Aren't they alpha? Or do you just pick and choose which ones are justified in having a gigantic ego depending on what is it they do and whether you fancy it or not?
The only time i mentioned competition is to refute that you said "the destructive nature of competition", which was just 2 inches away from the statement Eri made not long ago about "Toxic Masculinity", what I pointed out was the duality of competitiveness, its destructe and creative nature.
Do you think you are somehow educating me when you post a link about fucking symbiosis? are you serious? I am perfectly aware of many cooperation relationshiops intra and interspecies, so does that means that african primates are genderless and the societal hierarchy structure is a spawn of the western patriarchy you dumbass? which basically are the claims i'm against.
When in the fuck have I even mentioned alphas? you dont strawman arguments, you strawman the entire person you are discussin with, pathetic.
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Jan 24 2018 00:35. Posts 3093
I don't remember posting here about toxic masculinity. Maybe I did, but I can't recall that? It's definitely not a phrase I use frequently..
On January 23 2018 12:04 Stroggoz wrote:
@ loco's pic.
there is a cult following around those 'philosophers', im only familiar with 3 of them but they are basically servants of power- or at least sowell and harris are. not sure about peterson. their beleifs are ideologically aligned to the powerful, so they get more media time, scholarships, than everyone else, ect. It is very easy to align your beleifs with them in turn if you don't want to challenge yourself at all. Harris is very uneducated on foreign policy, but claims to be the opposite. more importantly he lacks critical thinking skills on that topic. i don't like him. I dont know who bottom right is.
indeed there is a cult following of them, however power leans left, not right and power is very PC JBP and Weinstein are at the brink of being fired despise tenure, James Dmore was fired from google from writing that memo, they are counter-culture, the left won the culture war long ago.
about Harris, his views about foreign policy are wrong, just like Hitchens as conservatives they fall in this stupid mentality that the murder and suffering of innocents is a price wort paying for civilization, I've always wished to see them talk with somebody elocuent to make good counter pionts against them on the subject, I think they would be stumped.
On January 23 2018 23:35 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I don't remember posting here about toxic masculinity. Maybe I did, but I can't recall that? It's definitely not a phrase I use frequently..
oh trust me, you said it, it was like a knife to my gut
edit: I did a search on your post history and I couldnt find it... now I'm confused
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jan 24 2018 01:49. Posts 5299
On January 23 2018 12:04 Stroggoz wrote:
@ loco's pic.
there is a cult following around those 'philosophers', im only familiar with 3 of them but they are basically servants of power- or at least sowell and harris are. not sure about peterson. their beleifs are ideologically aligned to the powerful, so they get more media time, scholarships, than everyone else, ect. It is very easy to align your beleifs with them in turn if you don't want to challenge yourself at all. Harris is very uneducated on foreign policy, but claims to be the opposite. more importantly he lacks critical thinking skills on that topic. i don't like him. I dont know who bottom right is.
indeed there is a cult following of them, however power leans left, not right and power is very PC JBP and Weinstein are at the brink of being fired despise tenure, James Dmore was fired from google from writing that memo, they are counter-culture, the left won the culture war long ago.
about Harris, his views about foreign policy are wrong, just like Hitchens as conservatives they fall in this stupid mentality that the murder and suffering of innocents is a price wort paying for civilization, I've always wished to see them talk with somebody elocuent to make good counter pionts against them on the subject, I think they would be stumped.
ah yeah, i agree that universities and corporations have some authoritarian/unscientific views on gender, race, ect. What you call PC. some of the criticism from the right seems valid and is supported by scientists. like the case where that guy got fired from google for sending a memo around, the memo was largely supported by scientists in the relevant fields. This kind of stuff has actually been ridiculed and heavily critisized from a lot of the left as well. the stuff where people have to be educated on unconscious racism biases is completely ridiculous, and comical to watch.
when i said ideological aligned to the powerful i meant support of the policies the rich want, and was thinking of foreign policy too.
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jan 24 2018 02:38. Posts 5299
On January 11 2018 15:36 Loco wrote:
I thought it was worth listening to, just frustrating seeing how overpowering JBP was (to the point of indecency at around 1:01:00-1:02:00) and how he just couldn't stick to discussing one topic at a time, he jumped to something else whenever it was most convenient to him. I think it was the first time he actually debated a professor of philosophy, or any professor for that matter, at least while it was not on the subject of trans rights/pronouns. So I was interested to see how he would fare. Anyway, I discussed it plenty on reddit already, don't want to repeat myself here.
from what i've seen debating is inherently irrational, either debator is supposed to support their own view no matter the contrary evidence, I've rarely seen a debate where one person simply just was overwhelmed with evidence and decided to change their views mid debate. Rather people act like lawyers instead of philosophers when they do debates. its not a good way to learn imo
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So you are not snobbish at all, poor me has nothign else going than following conservative talking heads, unlike you who have alternatives... so you are redpilled I see ! lol
I'm saying that this is what it looks like when you randomly attack me in a thread, disrespecting my intelligence even though I didn't do anything to you. Why would you disrespect me in such a way unless you took direct offense to me poking fun at the idea that these people are enlightening the world? You're unwilling to even entertain the possibility that these people are not serious intellectuals, that's why. If you were studying intellectuals who have alternate views then you would have reasons to doubt these people or completely dismiss them, as most do. It hurts your feelings to see me mock them because you're so invested in the narrative they push. Me disrespecting them means that I'm disrespecting you, hence you disrespected me in return. Nothing to do with me thinking you're delusional and I'm in possession of absolute truth. I don't think that at all.
The only time i mentioned competition is to refute that you said "the destructive nature of competition", which was just 2 inches away from the statement Eri made not long ago about "Toxic Masculinity", what I pointed out was the duality of competitiveness, its destructe and creative nature.
Do you think you are somehow educating me when you post a link about fucking symbiosis? are you serious? I am perfectly aware of many cooperation relationshiops intra and interspecies, so does that means that african primates are genderless and the societal hierarchy structure is a spawn of the western patriarchy you dumbass? which basically are the claims i'm against.
You're totally confused. You didn't refute my claim that competition is destructive. You merely asserted that competition is the only constructive drive in nature. These are your words. I simply corrected you by linking to the facts about endosymbiotic theory and co-evolution. And my claim was made in the thread "gambling sucks, poker sucks". It had literally nothing to do with gender studies and feminism...
Anyway, you've become way too emotional about all this for us to have a worthwhile discussion. I have no desire to engage with someone who has to resort to name calling.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On January 11 2018 15:36 Loco wrote:
I thought it was worth listening to, just frustrating seeing how overpowering JBP was (to the point of indecency at around 1:01:00-1:02:00) and how he just couldn't stick to discussing one topic at a time, he jumped to something else whenever it was most convenient to him. I think it was the first time he actually debated a professor of philosophy, or any professor for that matter, at least while it was not on the subject of trans rights/pronouns. So I was interested to see how he would fare. Anyway, I discussed it plenty on reddit already, don't want to repeat myself here.
from what i've seen debating is inherently irrational, either debator is supposed to support their own view no matter the contrary evidence, I've rarely seen a debate where one person simply just was overwhelmed with evidence and decided to change their views mid debate. Rather people act like lawyers instead of philosophers when they do debates. its not a good way to learn imo
Yeah I've said that to you recently I think. Debates are performative and competitive in nature, which is the least productive form of communication there is. Dialogues which are based on mutual respect and cooperation are how people really become smarter and more informed but it's a lost art since people are not cultivating epistemic humility.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On January 24 2018 02:14 Loco wrote:
And my claim was made in the thread "gambling sucks, poker sucks".
and mine was made in the ROFL thread!
You were making fun of those guys, I made fun of a caricature of your stance and then you demanded quotes and thought you hurted my ego by proxy lol.
So to clarify again, you did not hurt my ego nor people I respect: I dont know who the black guy is, Shapiro is sharp at debates but he is a religious idiot with a kippa, I havent heard Weinstein talk for over 5 minutes total, Harris seems resonable but has retarded views about imperialism, and JBP while I like a lot of his stuff actually none of it its related to this gender/evolutionary biology stuff at all, and he is also intellectually dishonest when talking about religion or anti natalism as I've said previously, so no, my ego doesnt extend to these people at all.
You cry that I insult you yet you pretend that these are my idols athat encompass my views and I'm one of the redpilled army... so I guess in return I should believe that your idols and your beliefs are based on the words of Lena Dunham and Slavoj Zizek
On January 23 2018 12:04 Stroggoz wrote:
@ loco's pic.
there is a cult following around those 'philosophers', im only familiar with 3 of them but they are basically servants of power- or at least sowell and harris are. not sure about peterson. their beleifs are ideologically aligned to the powerful, so they get more media time, scholarships, than everyone else, ect. It is very easy to align your beleifs with them in turn if you don't want to challenge yourself at all. Harris is very uneducated on foreign policy, but claims to be the opposite. more importantly he lacks critical thinking skills on that topic. i don't like him. I dont know who bottom right is.
indeed there is a cult following of them, however power leans left, not right and power is very PC JBP and Weinstein are at the brink of being fired despise tenure, James Dmore was fired from google from writing that memo, they are counter-culture, the left won the culture war long ago.
about Harris, his views about foreign policy are wrong, just like Hitchens as conservatives they fall in this stupid mentality that the murder and suffering of innocents is a price wort paying for civilization, I've always wished to see them talk with somebody elocuent to make good counter pionts against them on the subject, I think they would be stumped.
ah yeah, i agree that universities and corporations have some authoritarian/unscientific views on gender, race, ect. What you call PC. some of the criticism from the right seems valid and is supported by scientists. like the case where that guy got fired from google for sending a memo around, the memo was largely supported by scientists in the relevant fields. This kind of stuff has actually been ridiculed and heavily critisized from a lot of the left as well. the stuff where people have to be educated on unconscious racism biases is completely ridiculous, and comical to watch.
when i said ideological aligned to the powerful i meant support of the policies the rich want, and was thinking of foreign policy too.
Not long ago I saw a simple table about the 3 major US parties:
------------------------ good / evil
Those people in the pic lean conservative and thus will pursue civilization even at the cost of atrocious immorality, like waging war in foreign countries.
I consider myself anarchist which is close to libertarian and indeed I value true freedom and see cohertion as evil.
Obviously its a huge generalization but helps seeing things from the perspective of other groups
On January 23 2018 12:04 Stroggoz wrote:
@ loco's pic.
there is a cult following around those 'philosophers', im only familiar with 3 of them but they are basically servants of power- or at least sowell and harris are. not sure about peterson. their beleifs are ideologically aligned to the powerful, so they get more media time, scholarships, than everyone else, ect. It is very easy to align your beleifs with them in turn if you don't want to challenge yourself at all. Harris is very uneducated on foreign policy, but claims to be the opposite. more importantly he lacks critical thinking skills on that topic. i don't like him. I dont know who bottom right is.
indeed there is a cult following of them, however power leans left, not right and power is very PC JBP and Weinstein are at the brink of being fired despise tenure, James Dmore was fired from google from writing that memo, they are counter-culture, the left won the culture war long ago.
about Harris, his views about foreign policy are wrong, just like Hitchens as conservatives they fall in this stupid mentality that the murder and suffering of innocents is a price wort paying for civilization, I've always wished to see them talk with somebody elocuent to make good counter pionts against them on the subject, I think they would be stumped.
ah yeah, i agree that universities and corporations have some authoritarian/unscientific views on gender, race, ect. What you call PC. some of the criticism from the right seems valid and is supported by scientists. like the case where that guy got fired from google for sending a memo around, the memo was largely supported by scientists in the relevant fields. This kind of stuff has actually been ridiculed and heavily critisized from a lot of the left as well. the stuff where people have to be educated on unconscious racism biases is completely ridiculous, and comical to watch.
when i said ideological aligned to the powerful i meant support of the policies the rich want, and was thinking of foreign policy too.
I haven't spent an enormous amount of time researching this myself because I'm not particularly interested in people who have become Alt-Right heroes, but it seems pretty clear that James Damore was not justified in calling his website "Fired For Truth" (that sounds a little arrogant from someone uneducated on these topics, doesn't it?).
Funny part about his lawsuit is that there's already a class action lawsuit against Google from a few female employees alleging gender pay discrimination.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On January 24 2018 02:14 Loco wrote:
And my claim was made in the thread "gambling sucks, poker sucks".
and mine was made in the ROFL thread!
You were making fun of those guys, I made fun of a caricature of your stance and then you demanded quotes and thought you hurted my ego by proxy lol.
So to clarify again, you did not hurt my ego nor people I respect: I dont know who the black guy is, Shapiro is sharp at debates but he is a religious idiot with a kippa, I havent heard Weinstein talk for over 5 minutes total, Harris seems resonable but has retarded views about imperialism, and JBP while I like a lot of his stuff actually none of it its related to this gender/evolutionary biology stuff at all, and he is also intellectually dishonest when talking about religion or anti natalism as I've said previously, so no, my ego doesnt extend to these people at all.
You cry that I insult you yet you pretend that these are my idols athat encompass my views and I'm one of the redpilled army... so I guess in return I should believe that your idols and your beliefs are based on the words of Lena Dunham and Slavoj Zizek
How can you say that none of this stuff is related to JBP? He is huge on gender differences, evo psych and critiquing feminism. Literally everything we have argued about on this and you have presented to me as strong evidence of X is something I later found out JBP had shared on his Twitter or is directly relevant to his current crusade. He's been filmed crying multiple times recently because he finds it touching that the majority of the people he has touched have been white men who felt they had been discriminated against and lied to about the patriarchy and their privilege. e.g.:
I just can't imagine that you would make an insulting & completely baseless statement like this out of left field unless you felt personally insulted like I was not in a position to criticize a redpiller which you sympathize with. It just makes no sense to me. Why jump to that person's defense through insult if you're not sympathizing with them? Ok, assuming I was wrong to assume all of this, you have to do a better job of explaining your reaction to me. How were you caricaturing my stance? What stance? How did your comment relate to me reading into the obvious meaning of the picture and being aware that the person who made it has a Twitter dedicated to spreading a redpill/far-right agenda?
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