UFC 193: Rousey vs. Holm

Date: Saturday, November 14th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 00:15 LP.net / 3:15pm PST / 6:15pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 2:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 4:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://firstrowus1.eu/




Main Card (PPV)

Ronda Rousey (12-0) vs. Holly Holm (9-0) (Women's Bantamweight Championship)
Joanna Jedrzejczyk (10-0) vs. Valerie Letourneau (8-3) (Women's Strawweight Championship)
Mark Hunt (10-10-1) vs. Antonio Silva (19-7-1) (Heavyweight)
Robert Whittaker (14-4) vs. Uriah Hall (12-5) (Middleweight)
Stefan Struve (26-7) vs. Jared Rosholt (13-2) (Heavyweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Jake Matthews (8-1) vs. Akbarh Arreola (23-9-1) (Lightweight)
Kyle Noke (21-7-1) vs. Peter Sobotta (15-4-1) (Welterweight)
Anthony Perosh (15-9) vs. Gian Villante (13-6) (Light Heavyweight)
Richie Vaculik (10-3) vs. Danny Martinez (17-7) (Flyweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Anton Zafir (7-1) vs. James Moontasri (8-3) (Welterweight)
Richard Walsh (8-3) vs. Steve Kennedy (22-7) (Welterweight)
Dan Kelly (9-1) vs. Steve Montgomery (8-3) (Middleweight)
Ben Nguyen (13-5) vs. Ryan Benoit (8-3) (Flyweight)

Other

- Brazilian fighters, William Macario and Ricardo Abreu were expected to face Brendan O'Reilly and Daniel Kelly respectively at the event. However, both fighters pulled out of their bouts in late September citing injury and were replaced by James Moontasri and Steve Montgomery. In turn, O'Reilly pulled out of his bout on November 6 citing an injury and was replaced by Anton Zafir.
- Michael Bisping was expected to face Robert Whittaker at the event. However, Bisping pulled out of the bout on September 30 citing an elbow injury and was replaced by Uriah Hall.

First impression of the match-ups:

• Rousey > Holm
• JJ > Letourneau
• Hunt > Bigfoot
• Hall > Whittaker
• Struve > Rosholt
• Matthews > Arreola
• Noke > Sobotta
• Villante > Perosh
• Vaculik > Martinez
• Moontasri > Zafir
• Walsh > Kennedy
• Montgomery > Kelly
• Nguyen > Benoit

Thanks for thread

Really excited for this card, I think its ripe for betting, especially some of the props on the chick fights and some squash matches on the card.

I agree with every single pick so no need to post those, nice picks mate. A lot of money down this week.

For Rousey vs Holm, 2 obvious scenarios exist at a much higher probability than the rest.

A) Most likely scenario - The fight will be a back and forth battle for a little where Rousey eats some shots to give some harder shots, powers into the clinch with Holm stuck against the fence, blisters her with knees to the body and over-hand rights, tosses or trips Holm, and subs Holm with an armbar variation. I do not think this will happen in the first minute, I think it will actually take Ronda some time, maybe multiple rounds.

B) In a lower probability scenario, but much higher than the odds indicate, we get to find out that Ronda Rousey completely sucks if she can't get you in the clinch (completely possible), and ends up getting picked apart for the majority of the fight or even gets finished late if she gasses (completely possible) via left high kick and the entire RR hype train is derailed. I would personally love to see this happen but obviously have my doubts.

Bets:

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I think Rosholt > Struve, Sobotta > Noke

Really like Hunt for reasonable odds even though I felt that way the first time too. I get that Silva was juiced as f in that fight but I think I remember his length seeming to bother Hunt a bit and Hunt's chin being lit up recently are bits of downers but recent silva is just so terrible and slow. That last fight with Palelei was embarrassing.

Going to like the over on Ronda's fight. Think Holly's movement can frustrate Ronda early a bit though with no actual threat. Ronda's chin will hold up even if she gets tagged and eventually catch Holly's movement and obviously shortly over after. Also think people will overstate how aggressively Ronda comes out to start this time.

Don't know much about Whitaker. Thoughts on him vs Hall?

By reasonable I mean I think -250 odds are great for someone of Hunt's skill against a walking mummy

On November 10 2015 09:44 iakim322 wrote: Whittaker

Whittaker has striking skills and is way more aggressive than Hall, but aggression will be his downfall. Staying back and fighting from the outside isn't Whittaker's style.

Whittaker doesn't have a weak chin, but it's not the strongest. I expect him to get clipped by Hall as he's coming forward.

If Whittaker does win, I think it's by decision.

A boxer the level of Holm with that athleticism and strong legs in theory should be a nightmare to Ronda however Holm style is seem pretty shitty to me, she is very good at circling and that might be key when Ronda rushes (she will rush, she hasnt met an oponent that forces her to actually set up her her takedowns properly) however Holm literally walks in with her combos when she is attacking, and ronda is going to double-leg her so easily if she does, sounds easy to avoid but she has been doing it all her life.

I think the fight will be very interesting and strategical, Holm shouldnt be pressed easily against the cage and in theory should do well against an aggro Ronda, but if Ronda takes it slow Holm will probably be too scared to kick her, she probably should just jab and jab and jab and bust her face up kind of how Mousasi vs Latiffi went.

Obviously the bad thing here is that if Holm goes to the ground she will probably lose and its very hard to not concede a single takedown in a fight

Ronda is not double- legging anybody. She sets up her takedowns in the clinch and all of them are judo throws and trips.

The key for Holm to make this fight competitive is to avoid the clinch but that is nearly impossible for the duration of the whole fight. Pennington was able to get clinches with her, so I am pretty sure that Rousey is going to be able to do so as well. If she however is able to defend in the clinch and break free, the fight can get very interesting.

Most likely she will no be able to do that and she will get tossed on her head and submitted fast. I am not going to be surprised if Ronda knocks her out also.

I would love for Holly to derail the hype train, though. It has become pretty unbearable lately, especially after this Bethe Correia comedy show.


I am also having big bets on Mark Hunt. Judging by the footage of his training camp he looks in very good shape, and Bigfoot is off the juice with his chin gone. I think still at the current odds it is a good bet.

On November 10 2015 09:41 iakim322 wrote: Really like Hunt for reasonable odds even though I felt that way the first time too. I get that Silva was juiced as f in that fight but I think I remember his length seeming to bother Hunt a bit and Hunt's chin being lit up recently are bits of downers but recent silva is just so terrible and slow. That last fight with Palelei was embarrassing. Going to like the over on Ronda's fight. Think Holly's movement can frustrate Ronda early a bit though with no actual threat. Ronda's chin will hold up even if she gets tagged and eventually catch Holly's movement and obviously shortly over after. Also think people will overstate how aggressively Ronda comes out to start this time. Don't know much about Whitaker. Thoughts on him vs Hall?

Agreed on your assessment of Hunt vs Bigfoot. It should be similar to a Vitor/Hendo situation in dynamic (not in practice, I understand there isn't gonna be a left high-kick, I just mean the pathetic KO during the 1st or 2nd real exchange). I just bet ITD/first rd prop because if it goes out of the first, round and a half, something weird is going on and I really don't feel like sweating a decision based on a weird ass fight. Probably should have just bet it straight but I'd rather risk less money and lose then bet it straight and hope to win if the fight is not how I see it.

Whittaker's best chance, I agree with Rican, is a decision. That's why I bet Hall with the No-Scorecards prop as well as straight. Love the No Scorecards prop for fights like these where Whittaker can feasibly win a Leonard Garcia/Diego Sanchez type decision where he loses the fight but throws a lot more volume and wins a BS decision in his hometown which will presumably be very loud if he flurries and lands anything. If he KO's Hall, it will be very random.

As for Rousey vs Holm, Northsails hit it on the head. Rousey isn't double-legging Holly Holm. Not a chance. It's either gonna be clinch/toss or trip, either off a sloppy punching entry, or maybe catching a poorly timed kick. Also, noteworthy, Ronda literally can't kick (she just doesn't kick at all) so Holm can circle with impunity. It's really just a matter of how good Holly's ability to break out of the clinch is. Based on her athleticism, discipline, and training camp, I know it will be good, I just doubt it will be good enough to do it consistently and without taking damage. I really doubt Holm gets KO'd tho. If Ronda rocks her, it will still end up in a submission. I don't think Rousey is gonna have a trend of Mark Hunting people - Betche Corriera was just an absolute joke with no defesne. If Rousey is that aggressive and sloppy, she'll get matador-ed and tagged few times and will realize that she needs to set up her entries a little bit. That's why I love the over 1 minute.

Also, one fight no1 seems to be talking about but I have my biggest bets on (combined) is JJ ITD at -260ish. This is absolutely absurd to me. She is going to end this bitch. V. Lat. is tough and will probably last 2 or 3 rounds, but her face is going to be so mangled and she is going to get so wrecked that I can't for the life of me imagine her lasting 5 rounds. That would shock me.

I regret betting so much on Villante, I shouldn't be trusting that much money on a guy who gassed and lost to Fabio Maldanado, but he did also KO Corey Anderson and has not been finished by some really dangerous guys like OSP. And hes fighting the Hippo, who is now 43 years old.

Jake Mathews is going to absolutely destroy Arreola, thats the Corey Anderson vs Maldano fight of this card, but its probably not bettable now at -900. I bet him at -500 and posted about it in one of the last two threads and said he'd end up over -1000, its just a squash match.

Finally, Patrick Walsch should destroy Steve Kennedy and Steve Montgomery should destroy Dan Kelly. Dan Kelly is really, really, really, really, bad.

On November 10 2015 20:13 Minsk wrote: Thanks for the picks Soberstone. Holm's striking is overall superior to Rousey's, if she can keep the whole fight striking she should actually have an edge. I thought she might have a chance, but had a hard time believing it fully without other people saying that. I would certainly favor betting Holm over betting Rousey, but don't know how much of a chance she has. Wow, I think the O1.5 at 4.25 is excellent. She might not beat Rousey, but can very possibly be the first person to last over 1.5 rounds.

Lets talk in this thread -__-

First of all, Tate has already lasted until the 3rd. She could have probably made it the entire fight if she didn't keep shooting for takedowns and eventually break and quit. That fight is one of the key reasons I think RR is drastically over-rated. We got to see what Rousey looks like in between times of her opponents being absolute retards. And it wasn't pretty.

I don't see O 1.5 at +425, I see it at +325, but I am tempted by it. I'd rather just play the over the first minute angle at -245, but I might do both. I dunno, my head says to play it but my heart says Holm won't be able to keep her off for 7.5 minutes.

Here is a brief recap of Rousey's UFC fights and an honest assessment of what I've seen:

Rousey vs Carmouche - Carmouche is absolutely terrible. She was able to take Rousey's back because Rousey was still doing that bullshit where she holds onto a headlock from side control after tossin a bitch (Carmouche uses her legs to squeak out and take Rousey's back). Absolutely terrible stuff from Rousey to let it get there, but she does the right thing, stands up, and calmly works Carmouche's hooks out and shakes her off because shes terrible and eventually armbars her. Fight showed that Rousey stays calm if things are not going her way, but shes far from invincible.

Rousey v Tate II - On the feet, the fight was equal. Tate is very bad on the feet. For some absurd reason, Tate continuously shoots TD's on Rousey until she eventually gets armbarred. Fight shows that Rousey's cardio when grappling is absolutely endless and that her armbars are not inescapable if you are good (Tate defends successfully many times). The fight does not, however, show good overall cardio. My reasoning is that when you do something with perfect technique that you've been doing your whole life, you don't gas. When you are mediocre at something and use poor technique (Rousey striking) - you will gas if pushed. Tate threw her chance away by refusing to keep the distance and strike, but shes shitty so she probably loses either way.

Rousey v McMann - Again, we see Rousey is bad on the feet but takes a punch very well (Mcmann tags her clean a couple times before they clinch), but this is where we see Rousey's clinch game go to the next level. McMann, is extremely strong, but Rousey just bullies her up against the fence and floors her with a knee to the body (bad stoppage IMO but w/e). Rousey's knees to the body in the clinch are absurdly good, and become her favorite weapon from this point forward. This fight shows that no matter who you are, Rousey will beat you not only on the ground, but in the clinch as well. She's too strong and fluid with her signature combination of overhands and knees to the body in the clinch.

Rousey v Davis - This fight was a joke. Alexis Davis is so far away from being athletic enough to compete with Rousey. Additionally, David's strength is her top-position BJJ. Good luck with that. Davis stands flat-footed infront of Rousey, and we see the overhand right/clinch/knee/toss combo. Rousey's power in her right hand is officially legit, as this is actually what KO's Davis. After this, Davis fights Sarah Kaufman and gets tuned up for 2+ rounds before Kaufman Zingano's her way into getting arm-barred like a retard.

Rousey v Zingano - Zingano is a retard. Hellen Keller would have made it longer.

Rousey v Correira - Correira is so bad that she made Rousey's standup look legit to people who don't know what they are watching. I watched the entire fight in slow motion, and as with Davis and McMann, its the knees to the body in the clinch that are so effective. The over-hand right ends it.

So, aside from the facts that Rousey's armbars are insane and no1 can out-grapple her once it hits the mat, what do we know from actual footage and not Hype? Rousey's clinch is also insane, her overhand right straight is really powerful, her knees to the body are her best striking weapon, shes tough as shit, and doesn't panic. We also know that her striking is terrible and limited at distance, she can't kick, she doesn't cut angles, and she relies on her athleticism/toughness to close distance.

Now, Holly Holm is a very good defensive striker, has great lateral movement, is very disciplined with keeping distance, and doesn't rush even if the crowd is booing. She is also southpaw, meaning Rousey's right straight can't even come close to landing unless they are in the clinch. She has also shown that she is really strong in breaking the clinch (just watch her toss Reneau on her ass like a school child when she tries to pull guard). So why the fuck is everybody so convinced this is a squash match? I have no idea.

The only reason Rousey should be a fairly large favorite (and the reason I am betting her by sub) is that Holm can fight a perfect fight for 90+ percent of the time, but all it takes is that quick fuck-up, and shes done. Meanwhile, Rousey can fight a terrible fight for 90+ percent of the time and still win.

But my point is, most people are just sheep being herded into the "Rousey is like the Ali of our time" camp by the UFC, and it's gross and pathetic. Joe Rogan makes me want to vomit when he talks about RR. She's only special because WMMA is terrible at 135 lbs, she is extremely marketable, and timing is everything. She is Royce Gracie, not GSP, so lets see if Holly Holm is Sakuraba.

I actually like o1.5 rounds at that price, as I think it's going to round 3. Not cuz Holm is good, but because Holm has nothing to hurt Ronda with aside from a head kick.

Ronda can out-strike Holly in terms of volume, and she can clinch whenever she wants. Ronda used to just walk/run into her opponents to clinch, now she throws a punch combo and her opponents will always get grabbed at aome point.

Holly's best MMA skill is her movement, not her striking, imo. It's just a matter of when does Ronda want to take her down, not if she will.

Regarding the JJ/Val fight, it'll go o2.5 rounds, imo. Val said it herself that she gets punched once and her skin instantly shows the damage. I'm thinking a 4th round doctor stoppage due to not being able to see out of one swollen eye, or possibly a cut.

On November 10 2015 17:43 soberstone wrote: Also, one fight no1 seems to be talking about but I have my biggest bets on (combined) is JJ ITD at -260ish. This is absolutely absurd to me. She is going to end this bitch. V. Lat. is tough and will probably last 2 or 3 rounds, but her face is going to be so mangled and she is going to get so wrecked that I can't for the life of me imagine her lasting 5 rounds. That would shock me. I regret betting so much on Villante, I shouldn't be trusting that much money on a guy who gassed and lost to Fabio Maldanado, but he did also KO Corey Anderson and has not been finished by some really dangerous guys like OSP. And hes fighting the Hippo, who is now 43 years old. Jake Mathews is going to absolutely destroy Arreola, thats the Corey Anderson vs Maldano fight of this card, but its probably not bettable now at -900. I bet him at -500 and posted about it in one of the last two threads and said he'd end up over -1000, its just a squash match. Finally, Patrick Walsch should destroy Steve Kennedy and Steve Montgomery should destroy Dan Kelly. Dan Kelly is really, really, really, really, bad.

Damn. Was going to use Dan Kelly as my hail mary underdog on DK just because I think Steve Montgomery sucks too but I guess you swayed me out of it.

180% agree on not wanting to trust a lot of money on Villante even though the matchup looks ridiculously easy. Villante is a 'wtf loss' waiting to happen every other minute when he's in the cage. Pass for me.

Going to tail the JJ ITD. Was going to anyways (got to have a piece. Favorite fighter to watch since late Strikeforce, early UFC Nick Diaz) but just wanted to wait a bit to find out more about Valerie. Still haven't seen her last fight with Moroz. All I know is that she's tough. But I guess tough doesn't prevent a stoppage once your face becomes a blood pancake

I think you may be underestimating how athletically superior Ronda is when you say she's only so great because her competition is so bad. I too get annoyed by the UFC's retarded hype machine but for me, once I saw her chin tested multiple times...I was just like...gg everyone else. Yeah her striking can be real sloppy but she has real power when she does land and it doesn't have to be as technical as you'd think for her standup to effect her opponent since Ronda's striking is enhanced due to her opponent almost constantly having to flinch to guard against the judo clinch takedown. Also am a believer in not only her chin, but her heart to get out of trouble in fights even if we haven't really seen terrible situations for her yet. Don't think we yet know the person who will eventually beat her. Really like Holly's movement like PR said and as said before...don't think Ronda is going to come out like a bull vs Holly and if she does...agree with you that Holly can play matador to Ronda for awhile which is why I'm going to love the over. Just don't think that translates into any threat at all of actually losing for Ronda.

'Rousey v Correira - Correira is so bad that she made Rousey's standup look legit to people who don't know what they are watching.'


+1+1+1. Not that I think it matters too much in my thoughts vs Holm because I already knew this but yeah...I watched that Correia fight with a bunch of casuals as I will be again this weekend (RR brings in them casuals like no other) and they were immediately like omfg RR is superwoman!! Meanwhile, my first thought even halfway through that 30 seconds was that Ronda was being ridiculously sloppy.

But again, don't see anyone to beat her.

I agree that Rousey stand up is vastly overrated. It looks good on the pads, but she is very easy to hit, doesn't posses good movement and her striking is really sloppy. However she has big power in her punches and given the fact that Holm was tagged multiple times against Pennington and will be wary of takedowns I can see Ronda sneaking in a overhand right and hurting her.

I already cringe at the non sense that will come out of Joe Rogan's mouth if that happens.

soberstone what do you expect. RR s probably the one making most money for the UFC, even if she isn't the top1 she s definitely right behind McGregor, at times where MMA goes really mainstream . You know that when even sites like 9gag are full of UFC stuff after every event. They have to be mad or retarded to not make her look like a goddess in every aspect - its the perfect strategy, and if she loses one day the winner won't even have to be promoted that much cause of RR's fame

On November 12 2015 00:25 Spitfiree wrote: soberstone what do you expect. RR s probably the one making most money for the UFC, even if she isn't the top1 she s definitely right behind McGregor, at times where MMA goes really mainstream . You know that when even sites like 9gag are full of UFC stuff after every event. They have to be mad or retarded to not make her look like a goddess in every aspect - its the perfect strategy, and if she loses one day the winner won't even have to be promoted that much cause of RR's fame

I completely agree. I have no issue with Rousey's promotion, its smart by her and everyone around her. Quid pro quo. I just think her career has been kinda less cool than its made out to be. Call me a snob I guess. I also really like Holm's personality, I find her to actually be more genuine and likeable. Obviously I'm in the minority.

Everything in this fight favors Holm if she can just avoid Rousey's early, wild rushes.

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/the-ni...pions-can-joanna-steal-rondas-thunder

Reading through that it seems like Jack Slack is picking Holm for the upset.

I think Holm can win too, I think both Holm ML and the Over 1.5 bets are great.

Thank you Iakim for turning me onto the Nguyen v Benoit fight. I put a sizeable bet on Nguyen after watching their recent fights over and realizing Nguyen is a hometown guy that the UFC can def do something with and Benoit KO'd Pettis but was getting wrecked the whole fight, caught Pettis with a perfect but probably fairly fluky left hook in the pocket, and proceeded to literally kick him in the ass after the fight, inciting major boos from the crowd. This is a punishment fight in Australia for Benoit.

Benoit hits hard and could KO Nyguen who does get reckless when he has the other guy hurt but I don't see that being enough with the odds so close.

^ Benoit will have the wrestling advantage, and it's unlikely he'd get submitted by Nguyen if they were rolling on the ground. Benoit has a high school wrestling background, and he trained at Team Take Down for this fight, which is the best MMA gym in USA for wrestlers. His UFC profile says: "Three-time All-State high school wrestling champion in Texas," but I dunno what school he went to.

I'm still undecided on the fight.

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Nguyen:
- Better pure boxing
- Has good power
- He'll get hit less in boxing battles
- Has good movement


Benoit:
- Better wrestling
- Has good power
- He'll get hit more in boxing battles
- Not sure how well his offensive BJJ is, but I'm pretty sure his defensive BJJ is better
- Better training partners available to him at Janjira Muay Thai and Team Take Down
- Faced the better opponents, and is more proven in the cardio department

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On November 10 2015 11:13 northsails wrote: Ronda is not double- legging anybody. She sets up her takedowns in the clinch and all of them are judo throws and trips. The key for Holm to make this fight competitive is to avoid the clinch but that is nearly impossible for the duration of the whole fight. Pennington was able to get clinches with her, so I am pretty sure that Rousey is going to be able to do so as well. If she however is able to defend in the clinch and break free, the fight can get very interesting. Most likely she will no be able to do that and she will get tossed on her head and submitted fast. I am not going to be surprised if Ronda knocks her out also. I would love for Holly to derail the hype train, though. It has become pretty unbearable lately, especially after this Bethe Correia comedy show. I am also having big bets on Mark Hunt. Judging by the footage of his training camp he looks in very good shape, and Bigfoot is off the juice with his chin gone. I think still at the current odds it is a good bet.

Yeah true Ronda doesnt catch wrestle but the point still applies, Holm literally walks in with her combos and that will just facilitate the clinch.

I disagree on Ronda KO wouldnt be surprising, Rondas striking is very sloppy, her feet are all over the place, she jumps like an amateur trying to hit hard and frankly the only reason why she has KOd other girls is because they are awful and have no idea whatsoever about striking and probably shouldnt be on that level on the Octagon

On November 11 2015 10:13 northsails wrote: It looks good on the pads, but she is very easy to hit, doesn't posses good movement and her striking is really sloppy.

This reminds me of the Lex vs Elky fight, Lex warming up on the pads looked scary as fuck, then the fight started and he was sloppy as fuck but Elky is as athletic as C3P-O.

Not dissing Lex obv he still kicks my ass... or maybe not ?

I think ud take lex Baal, if mma rules u just drag him down, he's drawing nearly dead i think!!

Think im gonna place some bet for o 1.5 @ RR - HH since its +250 and RR s super over hyped after those fast finishes in a row , coef could possibly even go bigger i guess though

On November 13 2015 12:04 Spitfiree wrote: Think im gonna place some bet for o 1.5 @ RR - HH since its +250 and RR s super over hyped after those fast finishes in a row , coef could possibly even go bigger i guess though

I like it. I think were safe with the over despite it being a big underdog bet. I think this fight hits the latter part of the second round well over half the time. The o/u line is as bad as any of the others. Was obv worse at +300 where it was, smart money is coming in though.

Also, patting myself on the back for advising a Jake Mathews bet a couple weeks back and predicting that the line which was at -500 would end over -1000. I've seen it as high as -1200 now.

That's the skinniest Mark Hunt I've seen since ever

Gonna go see this event live with the mrs, gotta couple of bets down.

Partiularly I like tha joanna fight going over 2.5 rounds @ 2.20.

Felt like Ronda didn't look as good as she normally does. Just a little something off. Not sure if I'm just seeing stuff

On November 10 2015 21:40 soberstone wrote: Show nested quote + On November 10 2015 20:13 Minsk wrote: Thanks for the picks Soberstone. Holm's striking is overall superior to Rousey's, if she can keep the whole fight striking she should actually have an edge. I thought she might have a chance, but had a hard time believing it fully without other people saying that. I would certainly favor betting Holm over betting Rousey, but don't know how much of a chance she has. Wow, I think the O1.5 at 4.25 is excellent. She might not beat Rousey, but can very possibly be the first person to last over 1.5 rounds. Lets talk in this thread -__- First of all, Tate has already lasted until the 3rd. She could have probably made it the entire fight if she didn't keep shooting for takedowns and eventually break and quit. That fight is one of the key reasons I think RR is drastically over-rated. We got to see what Rousey looks like in between times of her opponents being absolute retards. And it wasn't pretty. I don't see O 1.5 at +425, I see it at +325, but I am tempted by it. I'd rather just play the over the first minute angle at -245, but I might do both. I dunno, my head says to play it but my heart says Holm won't be able to keep her off for 7.5 minutes. Here is a brief recap of Rousey's UFC fights and an honest assessment of what I've seen: Rousey vs Carmouche - Carmouche is absolutely terrible. She was able to take Rousey's back because Rousey was still doing that bullshit where she holds onto a headlock from side control after tossin a bitch (Carmouche uses her legs to squeak out and take Rousey's back). Absolutely terrible stuff from Rousey to let it get there, but she does the right thing, stands up, and calmly works Carmouche's hooks out and shakes her off because shes terrible and eventually armbars her. Fight showed that Rousey stays calm if things are not going her way, but shes far from invincible. Rousey v Tate II - On the feet, the fight was equal. Tate is very bad on the feet. For some absurd reason, Tate continuously shoots TD's on Rousey until she eventually gets armbarred. Fight shows that Rousey's cardio when grappling is absolutely endless and that her armbars are not inescapable if you are good (Tate defends successfully many times). The fight does not, however, show good overall cardio. My reasoning is that when you do something with perfect technique that you've been doing your whole life, you don't gas. When you are mediocre at something and use poor technique (Rousey striking) - you will gas if pushed. Tate threw her chance away by refusing to keep the distance and strike, but shes shitty so she probably loses either way. Rousey v McMann - Again, we see Rousey is bad on the feet but takes a punch very well (Mcmann tags her clean a couple times before they clinch), but this is where we see Rousey's clinch game go to the next level. McMann, is extremely strong, but Rousey just bullies her up against the fence and floors her with a knee to the body (bad stoppage IMO but w/e). Rousey's knees to the body in the clinch are absurdly good, and become her favorite weapon from this point forward. This fight shows that no matter who you are, Rousey will beat you not only on the ground, but in the clinch as well. She's too strong and fluid with her signature combination of overhands and knees to the body in the clinch. Rousey v Davis - This fight was a joke. Alexis Davis is so far away from being athletic enough to compete with Rousey. Additionally, David's strength is her top-position BJJ. Good luck with that. Davis stands flat-footed infront of Rousey, and we see the overhand right/clinch/knee/toss combo. Rousey's power in her right hand is officially legit, as this is actually what KO's Davis. After this, Davis fights Sarah Kaufman and gets tuned up for 2+ rounds before Kaufman Zingano's her way into getting arm-barred like a retard. Rousey v Zingano - Zingano is a retard. Hellen Keller would have made it longer. Rousey v Correira - Correira is so bad that she made Rousey's standup look legit to people who don't know what they are watching. I watched the entire fight in slow motion, and as with Davis and McMann, its the knees to the body in the clinch that are so effective. The over-hand right ends it. So, aside from the facts that Rousey's armbars are insane and no1 can out-grapple her once it hits the mat, what do we know from actual footage and not Hype? Rousey's clinch is also insane, her overhand right straight is really powerful, her knees to the body are her best striking weapon, shes tough as shit, and doesn't panic. We also know that her striking is terrible and limited at distance, she can't kick, she doesn't cut angles, and she relies on her athleticism/toughness to close distance. Now, Holly Holm is a very good defensive striker, has great lateral movement, is very disciplined with keeping distance, and doesn't rush even if the crowd is booing. She is also southpaw, meaning Rousey's right straight can't even come close to landing unless they are in the clinch. She has also shown that she is really strong in breaking the clinch (just watch her toss Reneau on her ass like a school child when she tries to pull guard). So why the fuck is everybody so convinced this is a squash match? I have no idea. The only reason Rousey should be a fairly large favorite (and the reason I am betting her by sub) is that Holm can fight a perfect fight for 90+ percent of the time, but all it takes is that quick fuck-up, and shes done. Meanwhile, Rousey can fight a terrible fight for 90+ percent of the time and still win. But my point is, most people are just sheep being herded into the "Rousey is like the Ali of our time" camp by the UFC, and it's gross and pathetic. Joe Rogan makes me want to vomit when he talks about RR. She's only special because WMMA is terrible at 135 lbs, she is extremely marketable, and timing is everything. She is Royce Gracie, not GSP, so lets see if Holly Holm is Sakuraba.

Cliffnotes: Girls are bad at MMA?

On November 13 2015 22:39 iakim322 wrote: Felt like Ronda didn't look as good as she normally does. Just a little something off. Not sure if I'm just seeing stuff

She looked the same to me. The only thing that was off was her WWF/WWE professional wrestling style of speech she gave to Joe Rogan. Obviously fake as fuck. She's trying to build a little hype since Holly is calm and hasn't said nor did anything negative.

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Ronda Rousey (134) vs. Holly Holm (134) – for women’s bantamweight title
Joanna Jedrzejczyk (114) vs. Valerie Letourneau (115) – for strawweight title
Mark Hunt (265) vs. Antonio Silva (263)
Uriah Hall (185) vs. Robert Whittaker (185)
Jared Rosholt (239) vs. Stefan Struve (265)
Akbarh Arreola (155) vs. Jake Matthews (155)
Kyle Noke (169) vs. Peter Sobotta (169)
Anthony Perosh (205) vs. Gian Villante (205)
Danny Martinez (125) vs. Richie Vaculik (125)
Daniel Kelly (185) vs. Steve Montgomery (185)
Steven Kennedy (169) vs. Richard Walsh (170)
James Moontasri (170) vs. Anton Zafir (170)
Ryan Benoit (125) vs. Ben Nguyen (126)

Rousey was shook. I see doubt in Rousey (not a psychologist but stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night). Loved that weigh-in tho.

And LOL @ JohnnyCosmo, I guess that's a fair way to sum it up.

Pre-Card Bets:

Straight
Holm > Rousey SU 1,050 $115.00
Holm/Rousey Over 1.5 Rds O/U 290 $50.00
Hall > Whittitaker SU -125 $156.00
Steve Montomery > Daniel Kelly SU -250 $212.50
Ben Nguyen > Ryan Benoit SU -145 $290.00

Prop:
Rousey via Sub PROP -270 $535.00
Rousey Does Not Win in 0:01 - 1:00 of Round 1 PROP -245 $245.00
Holm wins in Rd 3 PROP 4,100 $20.00
Holm wins in Rd 4 PROP 5,200 $20.00
Jedrzejczyk wins ITD PROP -257 $257.00
Hunt Wins ITD PROP -182 $91.00
Hunt Wins in Round 1 PROP 110 $100.00
Hall > Whiitaker (SCORECARDS = NO ACTION) PROP -180 $180.00
Struve by Submission PROP -300 $25.00 (Added mid-event)
Perosh wins ITD PROP 489 $50.00

Parlay:
Hunt (-275) + Hall (-145) + Walsch (-340) + Ngyuen (-145) PL 404 $50.00
Jake Mathews (-505) + Gian Villante (-305) PL -169 $500.00
Jedrzejczyk ITD (-265) + Mathews (-660) + Villante (-330) PL 125 $217.51
Jedrzejczyk ITD (-257) + Richard Walsch (-350) PL -122 $200.00

I don't understand. Did I miss something? Or why try so hard now ? Obviously Rousey was fake as fuck, but why try to build the hype now - 1 day before the fight ?! Seems so superficial. Is there a real possibility that she s indeed shook?

I mean you wanna build a fight? Do it like McGregor - go on a massive press conference between all champs or champ contenders tell current champ that he s a pussy, tell all other champs that they are brokeass niggas compared to him. If you gonna do it at least do it properly wow

On November 13 2015 23:28 Spitfiree wrote: I don't understand. Did I miss something? Or why try so hard now ? Obviously Rousey was fake as fuck, but why try to build the hype now - 1 day before the fight ?! Seems so superficial. Is there a real possibility that she s indeed shook? I mean you wanna build a fight? Do it like McGregor - go on a massive press conference between all champs or champ contenders tell current champ that he s a pussy, tell all other champs that they are brokeass niggas compared to him. If you gonna do it at least do it properly wow

That wasn't scripted or planned. I'm 100 percent with you. Genuine emotion vs fake bs isn't hard to decypher when it comes to watching Ronda Rousey. I don't think she's shook because she's afraid of Holly Holm. But I do feel like the mainstream media, the obligations, the weight cut, this being a potentially tough fight, her coach going bankrupt, her mom saying her coach is a terrible person, Holm being super calm, etc etc. is clearly taking its tole.

Ronda sounded like a menopausal nutjob when she was calling Holly Holm fake and was on the verge of tears. There is not much fake about Holly Holm from what I've gathered. She doesn't play that shit. She's just a silent hardworking girl who takes great pride in trying to be the best she can be and that includes believing in yourself. Ronda is offended by the mere fact that someone coming into fight her actually believes she can win, unlike the other soccer moms Ronda has tooled. It's hilarious.

All that said, its not a bad thing that the weigh-in scrum probably netted 100k more buys.

Yeah what seemed off for me was that she really was all over the place and kinda stumbling in her WWE speech stuff when usually she's very good...or at least confident with it. Agree with stone and was already going to say that maybe all the outside pressure is finally starting to get to her. It really is a lot of pressure on her to keep up that intensity she has while dealing with some bullshit like 'what if she doesn't do a million ppvs!' along with her trainer/mom stuff etc. And maybe it was just me but she didn't seem quite as toned as before (I know she doesn't show up ripped or anything at fight night but she usually kinda is at weigh-ins) but not like that really matters.

Find it a little funny that Mark Hunt apparently got into the best shape he's been in in forever and he still came in at the max 265 on the dot. Then again, an actually skinny Mark Hunt would be unsettling

Things I learned from the Dana White Q&A:

- He's letting some random Aussie fan put the strap around the winner of JJ and Valerie's fight.
- He's letting some random Australian born Vietnamese girl be the ring card girl for the Ben Nguyen vs. Ryan Benoit fight, due to Ben being Vietnamese.

Could you tell me which minute he talks about the Aussie fan belt thing? Don't feel like watching 48 minutes of Dana White. Just kinda curious because that's kinda random

I've noticed lately, the more I see or hear of Ronda when she's not doing scripted lines, or appear on a few minute segments on a talkshow, I dislike her more and more. She just seem like a shitty person. Also at the weigh ins now, I really like and admire the poise of Holly, and that way she took her hand on her, and shoved it down, and just stared at her, that was so fkn cool. Then after, super calm, but Ronda was freakin out, mumbling, trying to make herself the victim again, just comes out as petty!!

Ahh, feel a bit bad for shit talking. I hope Ronda is silly and wants to box, muy thai (She should run straight in, wrestle down and do that arm thing lol).

Will still think she's a douche if she wins, but really rootin for that Holly girl

On November 14 2015 05:58 iakim322 wrote: Could you tell me which minute he talks about the Aussie fan belt thing? Don't feel like watching 48 minutes of Dana White. Just kinda curious because that's kinda random

I'm considering paying out of my Mark Hunt ML bet. This isn't the same Mark Hunt or Antonio Silva that I had expected to show up. It doesn't look good anymore.

Ended up with

Holm ML
Holm O1.5
Hunt ML
Rosholt ML
Villante ML
Hall x Whitaker U2.5
Leuternau ML

and considering getting out of the Mark Hunt ML

HUGE money coming in on Holm.

Wow rousey by submission line got so much better

Just got home. 48 minutes till the first fight starts.

On November 14 2015 17:46 Minsk wrote: I'm considering paying out of my Mark Hunt ML bet. This isn't the same Mark Hunt or Antonio Silva that I had expected to show up. It doesn't look good anymore.

Explanation?

BAM thank you again Iakim. Ngyuen is legit as fuck.

Nice performance by Ben Nguyen. He took advantage of Benoit's shitty defense and did it in a beautiful way.

Wow beautiful combination by Moontasari. Will be looking to fade him though, his cardio is officially deplorable.

That finish was incredible. Large $645 bet on Hunt at -215, small bets on Struve and Whittaker -125 and +125.

On November 14 2015 23:02 iakim322 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2015 17:46 Minsk wrote: I'm considering paying out of my Mark Hunt ML bet. This isn't the same Mark Hunt or Antonio Silva that I had expected to show up. It doesn't look good anymore. Explanation?

Hes 42 years old more mellow, and doesn't have the same notgiveafuck mentality, basically less into knocking people out, while Antonio Silva seems to have recovered a bit from his chin being broken and seems focused.

My first intinct was Hunt's going to knock him out, he has a glass chin, can't do anything, but it seems more complex now, and at 1.4 odds doesnt seem that appealing, I'm still not sure trying to figure it out, as I hate taking bets back.

On November 14 2015 23:48 Minsk wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2015 23:02 iakim322 wrote:   On November 14 2015 17:46 Minsk wrote: I'm considering paying out of my Mark Hunt ML bet. This isn't the same Mark Hunt or Antonio Silva that I had expected to show up. It doesn't look good anymore. Explanation? Hes 42 years old more mellow, and doesn't have the same notgiveafuck mentality, basically less into knocking people out, while Antonio Silva seems to have recovered a bit from his chin being broken and seems focused. My first intinct was Hunt's going to knock him out, he has a glass chin, can't do anything, but it seems more complex now, and at 1.4 odds doesnt seem that appealing, I'm still not sure trying to figure it out, as I hate taking bets back.

He gives a fuck so he trained way harder, why is that a bad thing

Nice "spinning shit" from Moontasri. Both guys were gassed when they stood back up, but Zafir was more gassed.

On November 14 2015 23:50 Nazgul wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2015 23:48 Minsk wrote:   On November 14 2015 23:02 iakim322 wrote:   On November 14 2015 17:46 Minsk wrote: I'm considering paying out of my Mark Hunt ML bet. This isn't the same Mark Hunt or Antonio Silva that I had expected to show up. It doesn't look good anymore. Explanation? Hes 42 years old more mellow, and doesn't have the same notgiveafuck mentality, basically less into knocking people out, while Antonio Silva seems to have recovered a bit from his chin being broken and seems focused. My first intinct was Hunt's going to knock him out, he has a glass chin, can't do anything, but it seems more complex now, and at 1.4 odds doesnt seem that appealing, I'm still not sure trying to figure it out, as I hate taking bets back. He gives a fuck so he trained way harder, why is that a bad thing

When he doesn't give a fuck, he stands and slugs with Antonio Silva who can't take him head on with a glassy chin...when he gives a fuck it turns into a tactical/strategic contest where Antonio Silva is certainly superior.

I think I'm about to take it back. Yeah took it back, actually got a slight profit on it due to the line diffrence. I've felt bad about taking back some ~10% profit arbs and losing them all before, but this isn't one of them. I feel really good about getting a 1% profit here.

Well the biggest difference between this and the first fight i certainly the fact that bigfoot i no longer on TRT, thats why i like Hunt

Harder win for Walsch then it needed to be but I'll take it. 2/2. Terrible fight IQ by Walsch and terrible cardio.

Walsh should've finished Kennedy, but he wanted to make sure he didn't gas out like he usually does.

Walsh showed improvement, patience, and growth in this fight. He'll never be a top 15 fighter, but at least he's improving.

Interview with Edith Bosch about Ronda Rousey, really good and worth the watch.

Seriously Montgomery. You better fucking win this. Kelly got a little better but he is still pathetic. 1-1.

Absolutely pathetic. That was unreal bad from Montgomery. Sorry on that one.

Kelly decision was +1080

Too bad Montgomery sucks. He could've won if he didn't get tossed to the mat in round 3.

Vicious fucking body shot by Noke, loved the audio. That's 2 broken rib stoppages tonight.

Kyle Noke is like a fine wine. He was probably one of the clean guys in the UFC 75-1 year ago era.

Sick win by Kyle Noke!

He used the patented Team Jackson's game plan with his use of varied kicks. His aggressive style made it hard for Sobotta to get comfortable and use his own hard body kicks that he always uses.

Arreola's corner fucked him over by not trying to reduce the swelling over his right eye. The Australian doctor stopped the fight instantly once the round was about to start.

I would've done the same thing the doctor did, but Arreola's corner did nothing to help him.

Mathews did in rd 2 what he so easily could have done in rd 1 thank god. he was trying to prove a point on the feet being tentative and shitty and almost payed the price.

Good toughness and comeback tho - he needs new coaching. These Australian gameplans have been trash out of their 'prospects' Walsch and Mathews. Terrible IQ by both.

Mexico fighters are shitty but atleast the good ones go to American Camps like Yair Rodriguez.

Lesson learned.

Atmosphere in the arena is crazy when ozzies win then goes silent with a few oi oi oi's during the fight

Just snap added this:

$25.00 $75.00 Pending 11/14/15 10:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1431 Struve wins by submission +300* vs Any other result

Fireworks to kickoff the main card :D

LOL, That fight was fucking pathetic.

TERRIBRU!

Solid start to the main card right there. Awesome fight. Rosholt always brings the fire.

T_T

I liked that fight because I was sweating the Rosholt bet, it was epic.

i liked it too. beautiful ground and pound and struve constantly looking for submissions from his back!

On November 15 2015 03:41 Minsk wrote: I liked that fight because I was sweating the Rosholt bet, it was epic.

Glad you enjoyed yourself mate. Your a .00001 percent-er. You've made it.

I can't wait until Rosholt faces someone decent, that way he'll get exposed and cut from the UFC.

There's only so many shitty fighters he can win decisions against until there's none left. Kinda like Roy Nelson's UFC career, except that he was actually finishing his lower level opponents.

Fucking Struve try a little damnit

Really good fight. Respect to both guys. Surprised Whittaker was able to keep up that pace for the 15 minutes and not get KO'd be some of those shots. That said, Hall definitely was under performing as usual for 2 rounds. Whittaker's power is special.

Good performance by Whittaker, not so much by Hall.

lol i remember the mark hunt song from a cd i had called "rap flavas 2" :D

Meh =( Another bad arb/takeback by me.

Bam. Hunt with the easy first RD KO as expected. Bigfoot hit my personal over

easy money

Ruby Rose...looks like Just Bieber but im strangely aroused :O

Mark Hunt, baby!

That was the most EV+ bet in MMA I've seen in a while

On November 15 2015 04:40 Baalim wrote: That was the most EV+ bet in MMA I've seen in a while

I bet the max on the initial line of -215 but should have returned for more when the line changed, lol.

Just put $127 on Joanna vs Letourneau starting in round 3. She might be good, but it's hard to finish fast in this division regardless and Letourneau is tough.

Wtf Rousey vs Holms line, was -1450 this morning, Rousey only -750 now. Why all these people betting Holms???

I have no idea in my head as soon as the fight hits the ground, rousey wins... but what do i know

What a terrible night of bets

Ugh, That really hurt. JJ couldnt use her left hook cuz her striking defense got exposed a little bit. Fuuucccckk.

Good try by Valerie, but her slow speed and lack of striking output was never going to let her win a decision. Props to going 5 rounds against the champ, though.

IMO, today's version of Joanna would get beat by the current version of Claudia. Can't wait for that rematch.

On November 15 2015 05:31 PuertoRican wrote: Good try by Valerie, but her slow speed and lack of striking output was never going to let her win a decision. Props to going 5 rounds against the champ, though. IMO, today's version of Joanna would get beat by the current version of Claudia. Can't wait for that rematch.

That was exactly my thought as well.. wonder what the odds will be for this one...

HOLY FUCK SO FAR

LOL RONDA GOTTEN TO! :D

Ofc holly survives on the ground.. i suck... all my parlays will get crushed :/

I would make a case for 10-8 DAMMMMMN

This is when you start to regret having Edmond in your corner.

WAR HOLLY

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

42% ROI MMA.

Ronda exposed. Mission accomplished.

What the fuck did I just see

LMAO WOWOWOWOWOWWO

Boom!

Technique motherfuckers!

Congrats to Holly Holm!

HAHAH YESSSSSSS. Can't stand Ronda. First time I've ever got up and actually fistpumped watching an mma fight. Fuck that arrogant cunt

Edit: love how Holm has conducted herself too. Seems like a pretty cool and genuine person, and even though she's not very attractive in general she has a sweet bumhole! l0l

lets see if ronda throws her mother under the bus :D

Lol. Get smashed hard standing up in round one, let's try it again in round 2

Wow!! flawlessly countered..

jack slack's analysis was spot on.

This is so awesome.

Dana pissed, Ronda pissed... Miesha happy

This guy isn't surprised. Just extremely happy.

Haha loving the replays and Joe's "BOOOOM". Never even cared for woman's mma but seeing Ronda get destroyed like that is genuinely the most excited I've ever felt about an mma fight. Next thing I'd like to see is someone do something similar to Jon Jones/Conor McGregor

Her performance was so amazing fucking hell.

"Ronda would beat most male 135er..."
"Ronda would beat Floyd in a streetfight..."

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad its gooooooooooooone... finally :D
sucks to have rousey in all parlays but this was such a cool KO

Good stuff. Echoes Silva/Weidman in a lot of ways. Oh btw Dana was PISSED.

I bet Holm at +1200 because it seemed +EV, but god i didn't expect that.

I knew Holm should have the edge on the feets, and i knew she has sick fight IQ, but that was crazy.

This was as satisfying as watching Machida vs Shogun 2

Let's see if Ronda retires during the post-fight press conference. She was hinting at it for a few months. She wants nothing to do with Cyborg.

On November 15 2015 06:04 NMcNasty wrote: Good stuff. Echoes Silva/Weidman in a lot of ways. Oh btw Dana was PISSED.

Dumb question but why is he so pissed? This division finally got interesting lol

welp, just left 1.2k on the table. sad life

Btw PuertoRicain ordered me to bet Holm at +200 after first round. Should have listened to him lol

I never watch MMA (except GSP for obvious reasons) but I'm glad I tuned in for this one. Holm was just spectacular. She stuck to her game plan and pretty much toyed with Ronda. Even before the final lethal kick/pounding you could tell she had the victory in the bag in the way she just pushed her down like she was garbage. Rough night for Ronda for sure. It reminded me a lot of GSP vs Serra. It's funny because at the very beginning of the fight I was telling my friends "it looks like Ronda has never been punished for being overconfident and overaggressive and it looks like she will never stop until someone punishes her". Hopefully she will come back from this like GSP did and owing Holm a lot for teaching her to get on another level like GSP did.

That post fight press starts in 52min? is that a joke?

On November 15 2015 06:06 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2015 06:04 NMcNasty wrote: Good stuff. Echoes Silva/Weidman in a lot of ways. Oh btw Dana was PISSED. Dumb question but why is he so pissed? This division finally got interesting lol

Because Ronda old 900,000 PPV's fighting an absolute nobody, will do over 1,000,000 PPV's against a relatively unknown Holm while setting new attendance records?

should of bet more too damn nitty

Those lead straight lefts were fuckin killer.

Boom goes the dynamite

[insert Ronda getting KO'd.gif]

On November 15 2015 06:01 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: Haha loving the replays and Joe's "BOOOOM". Never even cared for woman's mma but seeing Ronda get destroyed like that is genuinely the most excited I've ever felt about an mma fight. Next thing I'd like to see is someone do something similar to Jon Jones/Conor McGregor

It'd be more fun if Conor beat Aldo than the other way around, Jones on the other hand needs to get KTFO.

Lost a lot today, but sooooo happy hahahahahah

On November 14 2015 14:36 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2015 05:58 iakim322 wrote: Could you tell me which minute he talks about the Aussie fan belt thing? Don't feel like watching 48 minutes of Dana White. Just kinda curious because that's kinda random

m00

On November 15 2015 06:16 Zadan wrote: Lost a lot today, but sooooo happy hahahahahah

Same... cheers

On November 15 2015 06:14 LikeASet wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2015 06:01 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: Haha loving the replays and Joe's "BOOOOM". Never even cared for woman's mma but seeing Ronda get destroyed like that is genuinely the most excited I've ever felt about an mma fight. Next thing I'd like to see is someone do something similar to Jon Jones/Conor McGregor It'd be more fun if Conor beat Aldo than the other way around, Jones on the other hand needs to get KTFO.

Conor grew on me a little the way he acted after beating Mendes as he showed some humility and emotion for the first time. I'm sure he only acts the way he does to hype fights, trying to create a draw etc. He's certainly successful at doing so, he def gets people to love him or hate him (me included obv), but I still much prefer the guys who go about their business without the need to hype fights, talk shit etc. I accept what he does is smart in terms of creating revenue and I expect he's a much nicer person outside of mma, but I like the quiet and humble guys and don't really like those who run their mouths and hype fights in the way Conor does, he's just not my kind of person. I'm not sure about Aldo, I've never taken a dislike to him from interviews etc but maybe he's done things outside the cage that I don't know about? How come you dislike him?

I personally want Conor to win easily, simply because Conor is like the fucking perfect guy for the sport if he actually lives up to the hype. He is insanely fun to watch, has sick skills, sick personality, etc. Not only will he move up to 155, but i wouldn't be surprised if one day he has the guts to take shots at 170 if needed.

On November 15 2015 06:07 Loco wrote: I never watch MMA (except GSP for obvious reasons) but I'm glad I tuned in for this one. Holm was just spectacular. She stuck to her game plan and pretty much toyed with Ronda. Even before the final lethal kick/pounding you could tell she had the victory in the bag in the way she just pushed her down like she was garbage. Rough night for Ronda for sure. It reminded me a lot of GSP vs Serra. It's funny because at the very beginning of the fight I was telling my friends "it looks like Ronda has never been punished for being overconfident and overaggressive and it looks like she will never stop until someone punishes her". Hopefully she will come back from this like GSP did and owing Holm a lot for teaching her to get on another level like GSP did.

Matt Serra had a one lucky shot that KOd GSP that could happen to anyone, this is not what happened, Holm absolutely demolished Ronda, if they fought next week Holm would be favourite.

I dont think Ronda can beat Holm in any near future (obviously can sneak up a submission sometime), now lets watch Cyborg vs Ronda for a title shot :D

On November 15 2015 06:20 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2015 06:14 LikeASet wrote:   On November 15 2015 06:01 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: Haha loving the replays and Joe's "BOOOOM". Never even cared for woman's mma but seeing Ronda get destroyed like that is genuinely the most excited I've ever felt about an mma fight. Next thing I'd like to see is someone do something similar to Jon Jones/Conor McGregor It'd be more fun if Conor beat Aldo than the other way around, Jones on the other hand needs to get KTFO. Conor grew on me a little the way he acted after beating Mendes as he showed some humility and emotion for the first time. I'm sure he only acts the way he does to hype fights, trying to create a draw etc. He's certainly successful at doing so, he def gets people to love him or hate him (me included obv), but I still much prefer the guys who go about their business without the need to hype fights, talk shit etc. I accept what he does is smart in terms of creating revenue and I expect he's a much nicer person outside of mma, but I like the quiet and humble guys and don't really like those who run their mouths and hype fights in the way Conor does, he's just not my kind of person. I'm not sure about Aldo, I've never taken a dislike to him from interviews etc but maybe he's done things outside the cage that I don't know about? How come you dislike him?

It's not that I dislike Aldo but Conor is just way better for the sport/business if he becomes undisputed champ. The bigger the UFC becomes, the more people get inspired and drawn into it, which allows us to witness more special talents throughout the years.

oh I almost forgot...

Called it motherfuckers!!!

:D

The highlight of the fight to me was when Ronda got frustrated and bull-rushed in and fell face first when Holly wasnt even there anymore... crazy athleticism though she landed on her knee so fast like a cat

On November 15 2015 06:39 LikeASet wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2015 06:20 ToT)MidiaN( wrote:   On November 15 2015 06:14 LikeASet wrote:   On November 15 2015 06:01 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: Haha loving the replays and Joe's "BOOOOM". Never even cared for woman's mma but seeing Ronda get destroyed like that is genuinely the most excited I've ever felt about an mma fight. Next thing I'd like to see is someone do something similar to Jon Jones/Conor McGregor It'd be more fun if Conor beat Aldo than the other way around, Jones on the other hand needs to get KTFO. Conor grew on me a little the way he acted after beating Mendes as he showed some humility and emotion for the first time. I'm sure he only acts the way he does to hype fights, trying to create a draw etc. He's certainly successful at doing so, he def gets people to love him or hate him (me included obv), but I still much prefer the guys who go about their business without the need to hype fights, talk shit etc. I accept what he does is smart in terms of creating revenue and I expect he's a much nicer person outside of mma, but I like the quiet and humble guys and don't really like those who run their mouths and hype fights in the way Conor does, he's just not my kind of person. I'm not sure about Aldo, I've never taken a dislike to him from interviews etc but maybe he's done things outside the cage that I don't know about? How come you dislike him? It's not that I dislike Aldo but Conor is just way better for the sport/business if he becomes undisputed champ. The bigger the UFC becomes, the more people get inspired and drawn into it, which allows us to witness more special talents throughout the years.

Fair point! Can't deny that

#rekt!! I will upload videos of entrances of the main event soon, the whole stadium just went berserk everyone lost their mind. I've never experienced anything like it before

Edit: admins are we able to upload our own video to the site like how we upload images?

On November 15 2015 06:36 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2015 06:07 Loco wrote: I never watch MMA (except GSP for obvious reasons) but I'm glad I tuned in for this one. Holm was just spectacular. She stuck to her game plan and pretty much toyed with Ronda. Even before the final lethal kick/pounding you could tell she had the victory in the bag in the way she just pushed her down like she was garbage. Rough night for Ronda for sure. It reminded me a lot of GSP vs Serra. It's funny because at the very beginning of the fight I was telling my friends "it looks like Ronda has never been punished for being overconfident and overaggressive and it looks like she will never stop until someone punishes her". Hopefully she will come back from this like GSP did and owing Holm a lot for teaching her to get on another level like GSP did. Matt Serra had a one lucky shot that KOd GSP that could happen to anyone, this is not what happened, Holm absolutely demolished Ronda, if they fought next week Holm would be favourite. I dont think Ronda can beat Holm in any near future (obviously can sneak up a submission sometime), now lets watch Cyborg vs Ronda for a title shot :D

I've heard GSP say it many times, he didn't respect his opponent and he lost because of it. He vowed he would never repeat the same mistake again and said he learned the most out of that loss. This here is the same thing. Rousey didn't respect her opponent. It's just that it showed a lot more here than in the GSP vs Serra fight. GSP wasn't that reckless for sure.

And yeah I'm not saying the whole fight reminded me of their fight, just the situation/mindset of the defending champion. I agree that Holm was on a different level here and most definitely would win again in another early fight.

On November 15 2015 06:36 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2015 06:07 Loco wrote: I never watch MMA (except GSP for obvious reasons) but I'm glad I tuned in for this one. Holm was just spectacular. She stuck to her game plan and pretty much toyed with Ronda. Even before the final lethal kick/pounding you could tell she had the victory in the bag in the way she just pushed her down like she was garbage. Rough night for Ronda for sure. It reminded me a lot of GSP vs Serra. It's funny because at the very beginning of the fight I was telling my friends "it looks like Ronda has never been punished for being overconfident and overaggressive and it looks like she will never stop until someone punishes her". Hopefully she will come back from this like GSP did and owing Holm a lot for teaching her to get on another level like GSP did. Matt Serra had a one lucky shot that KOd GSP that could happen to anyone, this is not what happened, Holm absolutely demolished Ronda, if they fought next week Holm would be favourite. I dont think Ronda can beat Holm in any near future (obviously can sneak up a submission sometime), now lets watch Cyborg vs Ronda for a title shot :D

I'm honneslty not confident Holm will be favorite in a rematch. We will see.

On November 15 2015 06:57 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2015 06:36 Baalim wrote:   On November 15 2015 06:07 Loco wrote: I never watch MMA (except GSP for obvious reasons) but I'm glad I tuned in for this one. Holm was just spectacular. She stuck to her game plan and pretty much toyed with Ronda. Even before the final lethal kick/pounding you could tell she had the victory in the bag in the way she just pushed her down like she was garbage. Rough night for Ronda for sure. It reminded me a lot of GSP vs Serra. It's funny because at the very beginning of the fight I was telling my friends "it looks like Ronda has never been punished for being overconfident and overaggressive and it looks like she will never stop until someone punishes her". Hopefully she will come back from this like GSP did and owing Holm a lot for teaching her to get on another level like GSP did. Matt Serra had a one lucky shot that KOd GSP that could happen to anyone, this is not what happened, Holm absolutely demolished Ronda, if they fought next week Holm would be favourite. I dont think Ronda can beat Holm in any near future (obviously can sneak up a submission sometime), now lets watch Cyborg vs Ronda for a title shot :D I've heard GSP say it many times, he didn't respect his opponent and he lost because of it. He vowed he would never repeat the same mistake again and said he learned the most out of that loss. This here is the same thing. Rousey didn't respect her opponent. It's just that it showed a lot more here than in the GSP vs Serra fight. GSP wasn't that reckless for sure. And yeah I'm not saying the whole fight reminded me of their fight, just the situation/mindset of the defending champion. I agree that Holm was on a different level here and most definitely would win again in another early fight.

I agree with Baal thought.

Holm didn't get lucky. She totally outclassed Ronda.

That was my favorite MMA moment since McGOAT vs Mendes and Weidman vs Silva I. I am so fucking happy. Amanda Nunes vs Holly Holm is the fight to make, but Rousey will probably get a rematch or in a less likely but possible scenario just fight Cyborg and retire and Meisha Tate would get a shot over Nunes for political reasons. Holm would wreck Miesha but not necessarily Nunes. Nunes is the most manly fighter in terms of technique along with Holm. I realize that some would construe that as sexism, and to you i'd say fuck off.

194 coming up, sick ass card, already have a lot of bets down. Some shit cards in between.

+$177.00 on the night which is terrible considering the whole picking Holm thing. Did well in DFS tho.

Dana White is clearly phazed.