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On April 28 2015 15:35 Rapoza wrote: Isnt mech viable outside TvT?

People like Avilo do it.. it is viable, but probably not optimal.

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On April 28 2015 15:35 Rapoza wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2015 14:35 VanDerMeyde wrote:   On April 28 2015 07:41 RaiNKhAN wrote: the game needs this durr durr face decks in order to promote the game to every1 and make more money this has been a plague in the gaming community since sc2 being one of the first super-dumbed-down games Yep words cannot describe how much i hate going from lurker to baneling and vulture to hellion. Brood war so much better in every way except graphics i guess. Sry for derail this this topic but i got a noob SC2 question: I watched some games... its just me or every single game looks the same? TvZ... matches always opens into reaper harass, speedlings, helions, muta, window mine, banelings then game ends around M/M/M vs bane/ling/muta? It looks boring as fuck. Isnt mech viable outside TvT?

Trust me, it's the same shit for every matchup be it sc1 or sc2.
And to the previous response : Come on man... Only graphics ? You know what ? That's like comparing FF7 and FF8. I was in the same situation with most of the fans saying that FF8 was way dumber than the other one until I played one more time and tried my best to be objective. And you know what ? FF8 was pretty much better on every aspect except maybe the story and the easy abusive combat's system.
I just can't get myself to play brood war anymore since sc2 is better in every aspect. I stopped playing on both because the protoss bullshit is really getting on my nerves and I'm not going anywhere (18 times Master).
Only downside was the fucking Swarm host. I do believe it's a plague. Thankfully they got nerfed to hell but the protoss bullshit is still here.
The lurkers are coming back in LotV but it's a little too late for me. I'm not interested in this game anymore. And if you want to play the Beta, all you have to do is get Diamond at worst in HotS.

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gold rapoza

Tanks are really broken in SC2. In brood-war they were the definitive unit in every match up. In SC2 they are far to expensive / poor value compared to other choices like marines and banshees. They need to fix tanks so they do more serious damage vs clumped up units like marines, zerglings and stalkers.

On June 12 2015 04:40 Rapoza wrote: I have 2 problems with FF8: Enemies also gets stronger when you level up and magic system is utterly retarded. FF8 CGs are pretty nice thou. Also, Sephirot and Cloud/Vincent are way more interesting characters then Squall/Seifer.

^this, the FF8 story really sucked, emo characters/love story/ballads and an uninteresting final boss compared to terrorist organization vs Shinra and then Sephiroth vs Cloud in FF7; also, materia kicked ass

On June 12 2015 21:05 casinocasino wrote: Tanks are really broken in SC2. In brood-war they were the definitive unit in every match up. In SC2 they are far to expensive / poor value compared to other choices like marines and banshees. They need to fix tanks so they do more serious damage vs clumped up units like marines, zerglings and stalkers.

Yep. Also they nerfed other things like vulture to hellion, goliath to nothing, super strong Science vessel to useless Raven. You have to run around with marines vs collosus, thats not gonna work unless you are korean and practice it 24/7. Terran is much worse than in brood war, while Zerg and Protoss are buffed like crazy. I got a feeling something was very wrong with the game early on, because protoss players that were horrible in brood war no matter how many 1000's of games they played suddenly got "good" and well known in starcraft 2. Same happened to zerg players after Zerg got all they buffs.

Also I got bored very quickly with all the cheeses / baneling bust / collosus A-move ball. Its just a very dumbed down game compared to Brood war. The units in Brood war was much more interesting in itself too.

On June 13 2015 10:41 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 04:40 Rapoza wrote: I have 2 problems with FF8: Enemies also gets stronger when you level up and magic system is utterly retarded. FF8 CGs are pretty nice thou. Also, Sephirot and Cloud/Vincent are way more interesting characters then Squall/Seifer. ^this, the FF8 story really sucked, emo characters/love story/ballads and an uninteresting final boss compared to terrorist organization vs Shinra and then Sephiroth vs Cloud in FF7; also, materia kicked ass

however it was a massive leap in aesthetics from FF7

On June 13 2015 12:12 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 21:05 casinocasino wrote: Tanks are really broken in SC2. In brood-war they were the definitive unit in every match up. In SC2 they are far to expensive / poor value compared to other choices like marines and banshees. They need to fix tanks so they do more serious damage vs clumped up units like marines, zerglings and stalkers. Yep. Also they nerfed other things like vulture to hellion, goliath to nothing, super strong Science vessel to useless Raven. You have to run around with marines vs collosus, thats not gonna work unless you are korean and practice it 24/7. Terran is much worse than in brood war, while Zerg and Protoss are buffed like crazy. I got a feeling something was very wrong with the game early on, because protoss players that were horrible in brood war no matter how many 1000's of games they played suddenly got "good" and well known in starcraft 2. Same happened to zerg players after Zerg got all they buffs. Also I got bored very quickly with all the cheeses / baneling bust / collosus A-move ball. Its just a very dumbed down game compared to Brood war. The units in Brood war was much more interesting in itself too.

And Terran was already weak in Broodwar in amateur levels since it had by far the steeper learning curve and skill cap

Hehe, I think almost everything you guys are saying about Starcraft 2 is wrong!! Was avoiding, since I didn't want to come off as a douche or anything, but I'll try to be nice. And say how it really is.

Tanks are not broken, and they are heavily used, in all matchups except vs Protoss, some still do, but it's rare at the high level. I know in GM League in EU and US, some Terrans do it a lot, but it's rare. And in Tournaments, top koreans might pull it out once in awhile.

In TvT it's used in almost every game, in all sorts of ways, people who just go mech, make a ton of Them, also really popular to go Marine tank.

And all the Terran players who go Mech vs Zerg make a fuckton of Tanks, and it's also used vs Zerg who open to Heavily Roaches, a mix of bio tank, but this style not super common, but highly applicable.

Vs a lot of the early aggressions, all in from Zerg, some have go to default to make a tank or two to stop it in the early game, even when going Bio.

And A LOT of TvT opens 1,1,1 where they add in tanks early on, also a lot of tanks are rushed with different 1 base early aggression builds, where the idea is to rush Banshee, and delay them, then keep making Banshee, and move out with ur first 2-3 tanks, and get a close siege up, where your Banshee's snipe out their Tank.



"Useless Raven", They been so strong for so long in Late Game Zerg that they took a nerf last patch or the patch before. Also the end game army for late game TVT and ZVZ is a fuckton of Ravens. When you get a fleet up, they get so strong it's silly.

They are also rushed out early 1 of them in most TvT's, due to their utility (I do agree, they're a stupid unit, and nowhere close as cool as I remember the Science vessel being though xD).


You also NEVER have to run around with Marines vs Colossus, only low skilled people do that, and it just never happens, so not sure what that's about lol. Marauders are quite tanky vs lower amounts of colossus, they are also really immobile, so TErrans just don't engage, and run around, drop, or snipe when they are unguarded, or attack in big concaves with a ton of Marauders. When they start to pick up in Numbers, people making Vikings.


"Terran is much worse than in Brood war"

Also nonsense, at the moment Zerg is struggling the most, and have for awhile. Protoss is the race seen as poorest designed, people really mad they are so gimmick and cheesy, and people been complaining about that for a long time.

I haven't followed the scene that closely lately, but I think last GSL winner was a Terran as well.

And the baneling busts and cheeses you're talking about is extremely all in, when they happen early on, it's kinda like, you hold it, and you've won.

Can just learn a safe build, and you don't need to worry to much about that, and vs Colossus, just make proper units vs them and you'll do a lot better.

Vs Protoss cheese, there's unfortunately a lot of repetition and practice, and learning them all T_T
(But almost everyone copy the most popular one, it'll be proxy oracle, or some 2 base blink stalker all in, almost always, defend vs those, and you're pretty much set).

ehhh, wasn't this a HS thread?

Any thoughts on the upcoming Tavern brawl? I reckon it'll be fun for a short while but all the insane minions will probably make it feel less "skilled", lol. Bit tired of HS myself, haven't played it in a long time, everytime I log on I think to myself "Why bother? Way better stuff to play if I want" then immediately log off. Like, I'd probably at least do the quests if they were to play any class so I could play one I wanted to but as it stands I hate grinding other classes I don't enjoy with the very few hours I even want to play it. Any counter arguement is a tad irritating, I want to play the game how I want to play it, without feeling forced to play or grind certain stuff and I don't think that's unreasonable. When I was playing more hardcore this wasn't so much of an issue as I played alot but my interest level is extremely low atm. That said, I've watched some HS streams on my phone here and there.

hey guys is anyone of you actively playing HS kinda semi-competitively ?

I recently moved to the US (only for a limited time ~6 months research scholarship) so I cant play Poker right now and got more back into HS.
I played HS before casualy and watched alot of HS tournaments (since I like that the games do not last too long so its quite easy to play it casually). I never had enough cards to build a good deck and I didnt want to spend any money on this game. After BRM came out I finally got my first good deck working (Patron Warrior) and also a Mid-Range Huntr deck. Right now Iam climbing Ranks on EU (cur. Rank8).

Searching for ppl that play HS on a daily-basis and also climb ranks now (or play tours) that would like to discuss things about decks and stuff (like poker study grps).
Would rather like to get in touch with LP-hs members!
Just msg me if ur interested gettin in touch or add me bnet: Punix #2151

the skill cap in HS is so low, Iegend shouldnt be difficult for anybody with half a brain since you can copy decks and that is pretty much 90% of the work

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On July 12 2015 11:33 Rapoza wrote: Right now HS is into an "easy" to play mode and its not nearly as competitive like before Naxxaramas. Games are faster and players are faced with fewer decisions(which means fewer and smaller mistakes); so luck ends up playing a huge role in the outcome of a match(around 80% imo). I got Legend twice without netdeck with Priest. You can find my decks here: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/constructed-strategy/482144-my-two-greatest-creations#1 You can add me if you want to discuss something: "Hellcopter #1307" - NA server. But once you get how the mechanics works, there inst a lot left to discuss.

I agree with you, but 80% isn't that bad imo. This means 20% are determined by skills, which means you can achieve a 60% win rate, which is high in a card based game like this.

Yeah the thing about getting legend is simply putting in enough time, skill barely enters into it.

ye ofc there is a lot of card draw luck involved even more than in pkr but there is a skill component left and thats what it is all about. tweaking that up.
ofc everyone can get legen with just copying deck and playing a ton. thing is i dont have a ton of time to play and for me its not all about only hitting legend. i like to play around with my own decks, come up with ideas and think about edges that i can squeeze out (very similar to pkr). ofc u usually have to start with a deck that is very similar to the common ones bc there are just soo good but there are small things that u can tweak and that i like to try out.

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