UFC 183: Silva vs. Diaz

Date: Saturday, January 31st
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 17:30 LP.net / 3:30pm PST / 6:30pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card (PPV)

Anderson Silva (33-6) vs. Nick Diaz (26-9) (Middleweight)
Tyron Woodley (14-3) vs. Kelvin Gastelum (10-0) (Welterweight)
Joe Lauzon (24-9) vs. Al Iaquinta (10-3-1) (Lightweight)
Thales Leites (24-4) vs. Tim Boetsch (18-7) (Middleweight)
Jordan Mein (29-9) vs. Thiago Alves (20-9) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Miesha Tate (15-5) vs. Sara McMann (8-1) (Women's Bantamweight)
Ed Herman (22-10) vs. Derek Brunson (12-3) (Middleweight)
Ian McCall (13-4-1) vs. John Lineker (24-7) (Flyweight)
Rafael Natal (18-6-1) vs. Tom Watson (17-7) (Middleweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Diego Brandao (18-10) vs. Jimy Hettes (11-2) (Featherweight)
Richardson Moreira (7-2) vs. Ildemar Alcantara (20-7) (Middleweight)
Thiago Santos (9-3) vs. Andy Enz (7-2) (Middleweight)

First impression of the match-ups:

• Diaz > Silva (Silva is the better overall MMA fighter, but I'm expecting Diaz to be taking this fight serious, and if he is, his chin + cardio + aggression can cause Silva problems if it goes past 2 rounds. If it reaches round 4 and 5, I expect Diaz to win those rounds.)
• Gastelum > Woodley (Gastelum is more well-rounded, has the better cardio, and shows improvement in most of his fights.)
• Iaquinta > Lauzon (Iaquinta is the better striker and has better head + foot movement. Lauzon is a walking punching bag with terrible take downs and legit BJJ.)
• Leites > Boetsch (Boetsch is currently worth a bet at +360.)
• Mein > Alves
• McMann > Tate
• Brunson > Herman
• McCall > Lineker
• Watson > Natal (Watson has been in USA working on his wrestling for awhile, so I assume he's good enough to stop Natal's crappy take downs at this point. I wouldn't feel confident betting either guy, though.)
• Brandao > Hettes (Hettes is a pure BJJ fighter, nothing more. Brandao has many flaws, but he should win this, unless Hettes gets extremely lucky with something.)
• Moreira vs. Alcantara (dunno)
• Santos > Enz

To say Nick diaz "owns" Silva might be a bit strong, but it seems like a good bet at +360

I really have to hand it to the UFC making that main event:
If Silva wins then Diaz will be used as a one trick pony to re-boost SIlva's image and make the most money out of him till the rest of his career which isn't going to be much
If Diaz wins he will be going for the title fight as the guy who beat Silva and make it massive for the UFC

Silva will murder Diaz unless he injures himself or something like that. I also think Woodley > Gastelum

i have a feeling silva will be put to sleep
zzZZzzzzzZzzzZz sweet dreams

On January 25 2015 20:42 alejandicto wrote: Silva will murder Diaz unless he injures himself or something like that. I also think Woodley > Gastelum

I don't think you can fight with a metal rod in your leg.

I'm liking the U2.5 2.35 line on Gastellum vs Woodley they're both pretty dangerous. I could see them wrestling for this fight, but its 2.35 odds.

I also havent seen much Watson, but think Natal is pretty awful.

Go Nick Diaz!!
I love Nick ,he is an all time great and if he can avoid the legkicks(which he can not avoid ) he will knock Silva out.
Silva likes to put his hands down and move his head which is the very worst thing you can do against Nick.If you do this he will throw like 100 punches in a row and will punish you.
The only way i see Anderson win the fight is at distance,throwing legkicks and circling alot like Condit.
Nick had the sickest cardio and now without cutting weight i expect him to run around for 25 minutes without stopping and throwing huge ammount of punches.
Also his chin is so sick i can not see Silva knock him out ever.
The current line is crazy thogh.I think the real line is at 50-50.

Also i think Joe Lauzon will submit Iaquinta.He has great submissions and Al is like one of the worst at defending submissions.When someone just whisper RNC in his ear and he drops unconcious
I like Gastelum and want him to win but i am not so sure.He is very agressive and can eat a counter right from Woodley.It should be an interesting fight.
It is pretty good card actually - at least 5-6 very good match ups.

what are you guys smoking? Im not even going to comment on gryzzlys posts (LOL).

Diaz is the dream match up for Silva, a high volume striker who is very easy to hit and wont go for takedowns and can be bullied with legkicks, If Silva has confident leg kicks after his injury Diaz probably should win less than 10% of the time, and even without leg kicks what is Nick going to do, is he going to try to swarm light punches against the best counter-striker in the history of MMA?

Literally If I had to hand-pick the best match up for Silva it would be Diaz, so unless Silva has some severe issues with his comeback Nick is drawing dead here.

I think the only way Silva wins is with a lot of leg kicks and circling.If he fucks up Nick's front leg in other words.
Do you think Silva can knock Diaz out with a counter punch (i don't).
Also i think many people forget that not only Weidman knocked out Silva with not so vicioos left hook,but he knocked him down in the second fight with a short right from the clinch.
I do not thrust Anderson's chin anymore.Maybe this ship has sailed.
Also i think Anderson is(was) very good with the counter punches against guys who commit to their punches and Nick is not that guy.
So in general the only way i see Anderson wins is ,if he avoids the fight and win a decision.And i think he will not do that .

Nick's boxing is very good. He has trained with great stand up fighters like Andre Ward, Joe Shilling and Artem Levin to name a few. They are all better stand up fighters than Silva and all had good things to say about Diaz stand up. I am definately no counting him out in this match up against and old Silva coming after this brutal injury.
However the size advantage for Silva is huge here. He is way bigger and stronger. I am not sure Diaz will be able to take clean shots from him no matter how good his chin is. I fear Anderson is just going to tie him up and destroy him in the clinch.
Will be rooting for Diaz though. I hope it is a great fight.

Is it just me or why do mma fighters still train with boxing coaches till this day? You'd think it would be better to just train exclusively with kickboxing/muay thai/ karate coaches etc. since it would be more practical and useful in an mma setting, and to prevent yourself from getting tunnel vision during a fight. I'm just a casual fan that doesn't know much about fighting but I feel like some fighters are just too lazy to learn how to throw kicks and more dynamic strike.

I don't think people quite realize how insane it is for Diaz to do this. He's not even a big 170er and is going up to fight one of the best in the world at 185 (and a massive 185er at that). This is the same Diaz who fought Gomi (160lbs) and Noons at LW against the guy who didn't look undersized at all when he went up to 205. Huge respect for Diaz, but I'm betting Silva at -370 for $370.

With some different career choices (see Rashad/Shogun/Machida) we could have been talking about a 155er vs a 205er. How absurd is that. LIKE WTF.

..and you're picking him to win.

On January 26 2015 11:19 Nazgul wrote: I don't think people quite realize how insane it is for Diaz to do this. He's not even a big 170er and is going up to fight one of the best in the world at 185 (and a massive 185er at that). This is the same Diaz who fought Gomi and Noons at LW against the guy who didn't look undersized at all when he went up to 205. Huge respect for Diaz, but I'm betting Silva at -370 for $370. With some different career choices (see Rashad/Shogun/Machida) we could have been talking about a 155er vs a 205er. How absurd is that. LIKE WTF. ..and you're picking him to win.

Yep, if it goes past 2 rounds, I think Diaz will have an advantage.

I already know Anderson's the GOAT, and he'll be slightly taller than Diaz with much more natural body mass, but I won't ignore how he looked in his last two fights, how he took damage to the face in both fights (especially the 2nd fight), his age, time off, and first fight back from a sick injury that would end most fighters careers.

If he manages to do it more power to him, will be an amazing feat.

Depends how Diaz wins, though. The only way people won't discredit Diaz is if he wins a 5-round war where his face is super bloody and cut up.

Lawler vs. Diaz #2 would be nice.

If Diaz makes it to a decision in this fight, it would be a win in my books.

Even if we ignore the ridiculous weight difference, Anderson is an absolute nightmare match-up for him, assuming his leg is healed enough to be throwing those low kicks. The blueprint is out for beating the Diaz brothers, and its all about those leg kicks vs their boxing stance.

Id bet on Jose Aldo to beat Nick Diaz at this point.

For anyone betting the ladies match, I originally picked McMann to win, but I changed my mind shortly after. I waited till today and still think Tate will win. I bet her at +130, but now she's at +165.

Also, Diaz is at +365.

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What are the odds Silva by KO? 5 rounds is a lot and since Diaz always trades (unless he's changed) he will be KTFOed.

Stoked man - gonna be in Vegas for this call and the Superbowl, going to be doing a lot of tape study and research throughout this week so these picks are subject to change, but:

• Silva > Diaz - I feel like if they strike at range, it's no contest, and if Diaz presses hard, Silva will clinch him up and own him there. The odds on this fight would be astronomically wider if there weren't the valid factors of age and Silva's mental state. You can always question both of their dedications.
• Gastelum > Woodley - I echo the sentiments of Rican on this one.
• Iaquinta > Lauzon - I just don't see how Lauzon gets him down or keeps him in the clinch past the first couple minutes. Terrible matchup for J-Lau unless it hits the mat, and even if it does, look for Iaquinta to be hyper-aware of the submission
• Leites > Boetsch - Fully agree that Boetsch is worth a bet at the current odds. I think he's a great value. I think if he can push the pace and not get submitted or bombed on, Laites is carrying a lot of muscle these days and will gas
• Mein > Alves - Pissed the odds are moving so much on this one, I think this is going to be Mein's coming out party.
• McMann > Tate - Really not forward to watching the tape as McMann is dreadful to watch, but I don't see Meisha being able to deal with the athleticism and if McMann has been working on her BJJ (which would be the obvious thing to have been doing ever since before the Rousey fight) - I feel her being able to ragdoll Meisha and avoid sweeps and danger
• Brunson > Herman - Herman is going to get absolutely fucked
• McCall > Lineker - Lineker has 2 minutes of hope and then he's gonna get picked apart
• Watson > Natal - Natal is awful and folds easy. Watson is tough and not great, but not awful.
• Brandao > Hettes - This will probably be a fun fight, good matchup for Brandao, should be some good scrambles.
• Moreira vs. Alcantara - No clue yet
• Santos vs Enz - No clue yet

I do think the southpaw vs southpaw stance favors Diaz in the sense that he is really great at hand-fighting with that lead hand with parrying and coming over the top or dipping under, and if anderson is throwing kicks, Diaz is that much closer with that lead hand to punish him up top with jabs and hooks. I doubt Diaz will be able to come across with crosses or uppercuts, his stance is so wide and he is so much slower that if he tries that shit without Silva being hurt or tired he is gonna go to sleep.

Silva also likes to move back towards the cage which I would never advise against a Diaz bro. It really is an intriguing style matchup.

Backing up against the cage vs Diaz isnt dangerous at all, its just the limit exhausted people can back up to, Nick doesn do anything special there but batter people who cant lift their arms anymore like BJ Penn.

The southpaw vs southpaw stance is interesting but there will be much less lead hand fighting, that is what happens when you have opposite stance fighters and usually the southpaw dominate that area this time you wont see Nick checking Andersons lead hand so much, im not sure who would capitalize on it better.

That brings a lof of questions because Anderson will not have to throw power inside leg kicks (how he broke his shin), in his southpaw v southpaw angle he can throw much safer regular outside leg kicks.


Also I dont see how Nick could survive the Thai plum, Nick has historically responded to it with body shots but Silvas knees are too powerful for Nick to exchange with punches and he wont be able to shrug off a big middleweight easily as Naz pointed out.

I think this fight ends up Silva KOing Diaz over 50% of the time in a 5 round fight

On January 26 2015 02:17 Baalim wrote: what are you guys smoking? Im not even going to comment on gryzzlys posts (LOL). Diaz is the dream match up for Silva, a high volume striker who is very easy to hit and wont go for takedowns and can be bullied with legkicks, If Silva has confident leg kicks after his injury Diaz probably should win less than 10% of the time, and even without leg kicks what is Nick going to do, is he going to try to swarm light punches against the best counter-striker in the history of MMA? Literally If I had to hand-pick the best match up for Silva it would be Diaz, so unless Silva has some severe issues with his comeback Nick is drawing dead here.

Agree 100%. Silva is way bigger, a vastly superior fighter, and this is the absolute perfect style match up for Silva. Diaz will plod forward hands out wide, chin up, with zero head movement against the best counter striker in MMA with a huge reach and size advantage. This should be absolute murder.

I honestly thought coming into this fight Silva would be like, -1000 easily. I just don't see how he's only -450ish.

On January 26 2015 12:24 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2015 11:19 Nazgul wrote: I don't think people quite realize how insane it is for Diaz to do this. He's not even a big 170er and is going up to fight one of the best in the world at 185 (and a massive 185er at that). This is the same Diaz who fought Gomi and Noons at LW against the guy who didn't look undersized at all when he went up to 205. Huge respect for Diaz, but I'm betting Silva at -370 for $370. With some different career choices (see Rashad/Shogun/Machida) we could have been talking about a 155er vs a 205er. How absurd is that. LIKE WTF. ..and you're picking him to win. Yep, if it goes past 2 rounds, I think Diaz will have an advantage. I already know Anderson's the GOAT, and he'll be slightly taller than Diaz with much more natural body mass, but I won't ignore how he looked in his last two fights, how he took damage to the face in both fights (especially the 2nd fight), his age, time off, and first fight back from a sick injury that would end most fighters careers.

Chris also easily out struck Machida and is a top 3 p4p fighter, top 5 at worst. There is no shame in losing to Chris Weidman, Meanwhile Nick would probably lose to over half the top 10 at WW.

On January 26 2015 12:24 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2015 11:19 Nazgul wrote: I don't think people quite realize how insane it is for Diaz to do this. He's not even a big 170er and is going up to fight one of the best in the world at 185 (and a massive 185er at that). This is the same Diaz who fought Gomi and Noons at LW against the guy who didn't look undersized at all when he went up to 205. Huge respect for Diaz, but I'm betting Silva at -370 for $370. With some different career choices (see Rashad/Shogun/Machida) we could have been talking about a 155er vs a 205er. How absurd is that. LIKE WTF. ..and you're picking him to win. Yep, if it goes past 2 rounds, I think Diaz will have an advantage. I already know Anderson's the GOAT, and he'll be slightly taller than Diaz with much more natural body mass, but I won't ignore how he looked in his last two fights, how he took damage to the face in both fights (especially the 2nd fight), his age, time off, and first fight back from a sick injury that would end most fighters careers.

Weidman hits like a few orders of magnitude harder than Diaz, and also happens to be a PHENOMENAL wrestler whereas the Diaz brothers don't really wrestle whatsoever.....

I mean, the only way I can see Diaz winning is if Silva is just completely shot and shouldnt be fighting anymore.

On January 26 2015 22:52 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2015 02:17 Baalim wrote: what are you guys smoking? Im not even going to comment on gryzzlys posts (LOL). Diaz is the dream match up for Silva, a high volume striker who is very easy to hit and wont go for takedowns and can be bullied with legkicks, If Silva has confident leg kicks after his injury Diaz probably should win less than 10% of the time, and even without leg kicks what is Nick going to do, is he going to try to swarm light punches against the best counter-striker in the history of MMA? Literally If I had to hand-pick the best match up for Silva it would be Diaz, so unless Silva has some severe issues with his comeback Nick is drawing dead here. Agree 100%. Silva is way bigger, a vastly superior fighter, and this is the absolute perfect style match up for Silva. Diaz will plod forward hands out wide, chin up, with zero head movement against the best counter striker in MMA with a huge reach and size advantage. This should be absolute murder. I honestly thought coming into this fight Silva would be like, -1000 easily. I just don't see how he's only -450ish.

I think people are just too worried about Silvas shape after his injury and time off but they are not conting that Silva has actually been training read hard to overcome his injury while Nick was probably sitting on his ass all this time, and also Nick is just fighting for a pay check while Silva has a lot more going on, I think we will see a more deteriorated Nick Diaz than an Anderson Silva.

I wouldn't agree with that tbh. Diaz does marathons for fun. Fitness is a massive part of his life. The vast majority of Silva's recovery was spent not being able to walk or run or do shit.

But Silva's so much better and it's such a good match up, that it should be a super easy fight for him. Unless Silva's completely broke and like 10% as good as he used to be with a glass chin.

Okay, how much $ will I win if I bet $100 on Silva and he wins???????????

On January 26 2015 21:33 Baalim wrote: Backing up against the cage vs Diaz isnt dangerous at all, its just the limit exhausted people can back up to, Nick doesn do anything special there but batter people who cant lift their arms anymore like BJ Penn.

LOL. That is actually the worst thing you can do against Diaz. He absolutely batters anyone that has back up to the cage in his fights. Watch his fight with Daley or the fight with Condit or any of his recent fights. His opponents can't use there footwork and kicks there and that is Diaz's biggest weaknesses.

But like I said I think Silva is going to be too much for Diaz. He is too big and has too much power. He has better movement, more speed and more weapons. This fights should be easy for him.

On January 27 2015 04:09 TheHuHu3 wrote: Okay, how much $ will I win if I bet $100 on Silva and he wins???????????

three fiddy

The most important question now-Give your prediction about how the fight goes and how the fight ends?
I will start first.
I think they go out and Silva starts kicking Nick.Nick is going to chase him and they will engage hard in the first round because Silva is not going to run away all the time ,but will want to fight.
I see Diaz takes some damage in the first and second round then turns it around and knock Silva out in the fifth in a bloody fashion.

I still get goosebumps when i think about how Silva broke his leg damn.
I only wonder if Diaz is fast enough to catch Silva before he catches him, pretty sure this will go TKO either way. Would be very surprised to see a the match go the distance

On January 27 2015 07:02 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2015 04:09 TheHuHu3 wrote: Okay, how much $ will I win if I bet $100 on Silva and he wins??????????? three fiddy

You wanna fight?

I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people.

On January 27 2015 17:33 Minsk wrote: I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people.

For his sake, I hope he is.

A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter.

On January 27 2015 18:01 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2015 17:33 Minsk wrote: I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people. For his sake, I hope he is. A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter.

aka uriah hall

On January 27 2015 20:26 handbanana21 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2015 18:01 PuertoRican wrote:   On January 27 2015 17:33 Minsk wrote: I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people. For his sake, I hope he is. A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter. aka uriah hall

Touche'

On January 27 2015 05:21 northsails wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2015 21:33 Baalim wrote: Backing up against the cage vs Diaz isnt dangerous at all, its just the limit exhausted people can back up to, Nick doesn do anything special there but batter people who cant lift their arms anymore like BJ Penn. LOL. That is actually the worst thing you can do against Diaz. He absolutely batters anyone that has back up to the cage in his fights. Watch his fight with Daley or the fight with Condit or any of his recent fights. His opponents can't use there footwork and kicks there and that is Diaz's biggest weaknesses. But like I said I think Silva is going to be too much for Diaz. He is too big and has too much power. He has better movement, more speed and more weapons. This fights should be easy for him.

That applies against anyone, having your back against the cage is bad because you have little mobility, power etc, but Diaz does nothing special there, its just where already exhausted and battered opponents are forced to go when Diaz keeps pressing forward.

On January 27 2015 18:01 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2015 17:33 Minsk wrote: I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people. For his sake, I hope he is. A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter.

There are many fighters who dont need to use anger or viciousness in their fights, its just one path to get motivated and I dont think its the best way to do it.

The whole Uria Hall thing was just overblown media crap because of some standard Dana White bullshit statements

On January 27 2015 21:30 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2015 18:01 PuertoRican wrote:   On January 27 2015 17:33 Minsk wrote: I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people. For his sake, I hope he is. A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter. There are many fighters who dont need to use anger or viciousness in their fights, its just one path to get motivated and I dont think its the best way to do it. The whole Uria Hall thing was just overblown media crap because of some standard Dana White bullshit statements

Agree that a fighter doesn't need anger nor that it's the best way. It doesn't mean that shifting mindsets to pure aggression isn't beneficial to some.

Dana says a lot of bullshit obviously. Don't think the Uriah Hall one was a good example. Dana said that stuff after Uriah's 'fight' with John Howard. Probably because Uriah was too busy high fiving his opponent after every parried strike instead of blowing him out like his talents should allow him to. And this was after he was clearly genuinely happy that at least it was his good friend Kevin Gastelum that beat him for the ultimate fighter finale.

Any promoter in the history of combat sports would've been upset with that high fiving, fist bumping joke of a fight. And it looks like it worked because he's definitely looked and sounded different since then.

On January 27 2015 21:25 Baalim wrote: That applies against anyone, having your back against the cage is bad because you have little mobility, power etc, but Diaz does nothing special there, its just where already exhausted and battered opponents are forced to go when Diaz keeps pressing forward.

Yes ofcourse it applies against anyone, but what do you mean by doing something special in this position. Who for you is example of somebody that does something special there?

In every single fight this is the spot where Diaz is making the most damage, so I think his game there is one of the best in mma. He is pinning his opponents with his forehead and just unloading with body shots and different combinations to the head often doubling on hooks which might cause Anderson some trouble. He is not the typical head hunting predictable fighter that Anderson has been KO'ing through his career.

That being said It will not suprise me if this fight is similar to Stipe Miocic and Fabio Maldonaldo. Maldonaldo was supposed to be tough and durable fighter, but got absolutely pummeled in seconds based on simply size difference. I hope Diaz can take Anderson's shots because then it will be a great fight.

As for prediction: I think Silva destroys Nick in 1 round - knees to the body.

On January 27 2015 21:30 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2015 18:01 PuertoRican wrote:   On January 27 2015 17:33 Minsk wrote: I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people. For his sake, I hope he is. A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter. The whole Uria Hall thing was just overblown media crap because of some standard Dana White bullshit statements

True his fight vs John Howard was just mega bad by both guys, Hall showed what he s capable of in his last fight

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if silva is even close to how he was pre injury, he destroys diaz. not sure how anyone can think anything otherwise? the diaz brothers are not elite fighters and nick is facing someone much bigger. this is a squash match. unless of course anderson is a shell of his former self, which is very possible. heard a rumor anderson was KTFO in training a few weeks ago

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On January 28 2015 11:41 Daut wrote: if silva is even close to how he was pre injury, he destroys diaz. not sure how anyone can think anything otherwise? the diaz brothers are not elite fighters and nick is facing someone much bigger. this is a squash match. unless of course anderson is a shell of his former self, which is very possible. heard a rumor anderson was KTFO in training a few weeks ago

Think we have the reasons to hold such doubts, he broke his leg, he s old, he said he didn't even want to fight anymore he just wants to finish his contract. :/ He s still the GOAT imo, his style is just the most entertaining thing you can ever see in MMA, age is a huge factor in this sport sadly and people will remember him as the guy that got demolished twice at the end of his career

missed workouts... as a massive diaz fan.. i know how this story goes..

On January 28 2015 11:41 Daut wrote: if silva is even close to how he was pre injury, he destroys diaz. not sure how anyone can think anything otherwise? the diaz brothers are not elite fighters and nick is facing someone much bigger. this is a squash match. unless of course anderson is a shell of his former self, which is very possible. heard a rumor anderson was KTFO in training a few weeks ago

AS got knocked out with a kick in the face by the sparring Khalil Rountree, as he said in an interview for brazilian media.

source: http://sportv.globo.com/site/combate/...eino-semanas-atras-chute-na-cara.html

'if he throws a kick and that shit hits me in the head, WTF!'

'i'm fightin like the terminator or some shit'

'its whatever, u kno i think its kinda bullshit'

-Diaz is a funny guy

On January 28 2015 17:59 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2015 11:41 Daut wrote: if silva is even close to how he was pre injury, he destroys diaz. not sure how anyone can think anything otherwise? the diaz brothers are not elite fighters and nick is facing someone much bigger. this is a squash match. unless of course anderson is a shell of his former self, which is very possible. heard a rumor anderson was KTFO in training a few weeks ago Think we have the reasons to hold such doubts, he broke his leg, he s old, he said he didn't even want to fight anymore he just wants to finish his contract. :/ He s still the GOAT imo, his style is just the most entertaining thing you can ever see in MMA, age is a huge factor in this sport sadly and people will remember him as the guy that got demolished twice at the end of his career

nick diaz hasnt won a fight in 3.5 years. and that fight was vs a guy who finished his career at 145 pounds. we have some reason to believe anderson isnt his same old self, but why do we think that nick diaz of all people can beat him?

i also think its pretty clear jones > anderson all time.

Nick Diaz may or may not have been in Las Vegas all this time. Whatever the case may be, it's clear that the UFC and certain MMA media websites were trying to stir shit up, especially Dana White and the photoshopped picture he posted of Diaz on his Twitter page (picture above). https://twitter.com/danawhite

Anyway, here's a bunch of info that proves Diaz is in Las Vegas as we speak: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/28/...en-workout-no-show-ufc-prank-mma-news

On January 28 2015 05:51 northsails wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2015 21:25 Baalim wrote: That applies against anyone, having your back against the cage is bad because you have little mobility, power etc, but Diaz does nothing special there, its just where already exhausted and battered opponents are forced to go when Diaz keeps pressing forward. Yes ofcourse it applies against anyone, but what do you mean by doing something special in this position. Who for you is example of somebody that does something special there? In every single fight this is the spot where Diaz is making the most damage, so I think his game there is one of the best in mma. He is pinning his opponents with his forehead and just unloading with body shots and different combinations to the head often doubling on hooks which might cause Anderson some trouble. He is not the typical head hunting predictable fighter that Anderson has been KO'ing through his career. That being said It will not suprise me if this fight is similar to Stipe Miocic and Fabio Maldonaldo. Maldonaldo was supposed to be tough and durable fighter, but got absolutely pummeled in seconds based on simply size difference. I hope Diaz can take Anderson's shots because then it will be a great fight. As for prediction: I think Silva destroys Nick in 1 round - knees to the body.

Rory McDonald also destroyed Tyron Woodly against the cage and in better fashion than Diaz does because Diaz just throws but is still very easy to hit back but Rory wasnt.

Also Jon Jones is another fighter who is obviously better than Diaz when he has his opponent against the cage among others.

i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.

On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.

On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.

People like him(including myself) because he is the real OG
And when you look the guy you know he's had a tough life and is as naive as a child.
It is like a naive and slutty girl,nobody can resist

Ooo and the most important ,he is one of the most entertaining fighters of all time if not the most!
When you see Nick Diaz in the octagon you know something crazy is gonna happen.

On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.

i respect people who truly dont give a fuck about what others think. even when im expressing my own opinions im still striving for some sort of "i want people to like me" and looking for acceptance. nick diaz just doesnt give any fucks, says exactly what he feels/thinks and everyone loves him for it.

doesnt make anything you said untrue though. hes extremely unprofessional, delusional and unreliable.

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On January 29 2015 14:21 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid. i respect people who truly dont give a fuck about what others think. even when im expressing my own opinions im still striving for some sort of "i want people to like me" and looking for acceptance. nick diaz just doesnt give any fucks, says exactly what he feels/thinks and everyone loves him for it.

Nope, hes doing the same thing as you, people just accept/like him for different reasons .

Rofl Cerrone tweeted that he would take the fight if Nick Diaz wont show up. If it were anyone else I'd say it would be a PR stunt, but Cerrone would actually do it, what a fucking hero :D

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On January 29 2015 14:21 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid. i respect people who truly dont give a fuck about what others think. even when im expressing my own opinions im still striving for some sort of "i want people to like me" and looking for acceptance. nick diaz just doesnt give any fucks, says exactly what he feels/thinks and everyone loves him for it. doesnt make anything you said untrue though. hes extremely unprofessional, delusional and unreliable.

I really dont think so, he gets really belligerent with media who says anything negative about him, why would he do that if he didnt care?, he just pretends he doesnt with that pathetic teen thug attitude.


I feel like people like Alexander Emeliananko are the ones who really dont give a fuck

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On January 29 2015 19:49 Baalim wrote: I really dont think so, he gets really belligerent with media who says anything negative about him, why would he do that if he didnt care?, he just pretends he doesnt with that pathetic teen thug attitude.

Well thats pretty obvious, only way of literally not giving a fuck is if you were a sociopath which he s not. He just grew up in the ghetto and society had its pressure on him hence the anger and disrespect towards any authority. I do like the way he acts to a certain point, but he s probably doing it for the wrong reasons as well. I'd say he s the way he is because of fear mainly, but thats pretty understandable

Also you re pretty fast on jumping the gun Baal, some people just dont have as open mindsets as yours that doesn't instantly mean they are pathetic cause of the way they are. I m as narcissistic as you are but that's a problem and it should be fixed

I think he's more fun than most to watch and listen to, since it's all out there, you can notice when he's lost in thought, when he's lying, when he's trying to sound smart, when his mind is just grabbing whatever floats into his consciousness "let's say this!", and even though that sounds quite stupid, he kinda rolls with it lol.

Fighters that turn me off the most are the ones who go all biblical after a fight, and start screaming "Thank you Jesus, Thanks to GOD I won!". I start tossing and turning so much, scrambling to get out of the couch and turn that shit off, or fast forward through lol.

On January 29 2015 19:49 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2015 14:21 Daut wrote:   On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid. i respect people who truly dont give a fuck about what others think. even when im expressing my own opinions im still striving for some sort of "i want people to like me" and looking for acceptance. nick diaz just doesnt give any fucks, says exactly what he feels/thinks and everyone loves him for it. doesnt make anything you said untrue though. hes extremely unprofessional, delusional and unreliable. I really dont think so, he gets really belligerent with media who says anything negative about him, why would he do that if he didnt care?, he just pretends he doesnt with that pathetic teen thug attitude. I feel like people like Alexander Emeliananko are the ones who really dont give a fuck

One is a dick to his fighting opponents (and almost never after the actual fight) and his bosses...while his most serious actual trouble with the law has been a DUI for weed. The other is a wild looking bear of a russian...who's actually killed an actual bear by stabbing it in the heart apparently...and someone who went to jail for several years in gdamn russia over shady circumstances. Solid relate-able comparison in this 'no fucks given' talk.

On January 30 2015 10:03 Mariuslol wrote: I think he's more fun than most to watch and listen to, since it's all out there, you can notice when he's lost in thought, when he's lying, when he's trying to sound smart, when his mind is just grabbing whatever floats into his consciousness "let's say this!", and even though that sounds quite stupid, he kinda rolls with it lol. Fighters that turn me off the most are the ones who go all biblical after a fight, and start screaming "Thank you Jesus, Thanks to GOD I won!". I start tossing and turning so much, scrambling to get out of the coach and turn that shit off, or fast forward through lol.

The part where maybe he's sometimes trying to sound smart...I think sometimes it just seems like the wheels in his head are trying to turn but he doesn't know how to express what he wants to say properly. So it comes out uneducated, borderline retarded sometimes and shit. Which he is (uneducated) and he even admits to it.

140% agreed with your second part. God helped me bash another human being's skull in because he loves me so much more than that other guy. Such an inherently mind bogglingly stupid way of thinking that I can never even root for one second for fighters who are like that.

Taking away other stuff...in terms of why any of us here, watching this sport, talking about it..etc. What's the one reason? Entertainment no? People who seem to hate on Nick so much...I really don't get it. You'd really rather watch someone who does the above? Or someone who talks a bunch of shit then goes out and doesn't show up on fight night...stalling rounds...laying and praying....running around the octagon....or basically just gives up trying to win after a couple of rounds? Or maybe someone like Phil Davis who's trash talk stems purely from someone else's idea that it'd be good for his business...then goes out and tries to hug a guy all night. To each his own I guess.

Kelvin Gastelum had the worst possible weight cut, but the fight is supposedly still on. Weigh-ins start in a couple minutes.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/30/...-bad-weight-cut-woodley-fight-ufc-183

lol 10 pounds over

Something interesting about this weigh-in is that Lineker missed weight by 4 pounds, Brandao came in 3 pounds underweight, and Gastelum missed weight by 9 pounds.

Lineker seemed like he was full of energy, so he'll probably go hard in round 1 tomorrow. Lineker hasn't missed weight by this much before, so I'm not sure what his deal was.

Brandao has had problems with making weight in the past, and he's never came in underweight, so I'm not sure what's wrong.

News came out before the weigh-in that Gastelum had a tough time making weight, so he was expected to miss weight. It's unclear whether the original news about him being hospitalized is true or not. Either way, his body didn't look great, and he looked like a puppy that was scolded by its owner.


Nick Diaz (185.5) vs. Anderson Silva (186)
Kelvin Gastelum (180) vs. Tyron Woodley (170.5)
Al Iaquinta (156) vs. Joe Lauzon (156)
Tim Boetsch (185.5) vs. Thales Leites (186)
Thiago Alves (171) vs. Jordan Mein (169.5)
Sara McMann (135.5) vs. Miesha Tate (135.5)
Derek Brunson (186) vs. Ed Herman (186)
John Lineker (130) vs. Ian McCall (126)
Rafael Natal (185.5) vs. Tom Watson (186)
Diego Brandao (142) vs. Jimy Hettes (146)
Ildemar Alcantara (185) vs. Richardson Moreira (185.5)
Andy Enz (186) vs. Thiago “Marreta” Santos (185.5)

Gastelum rode that dream UFC contract so he got chubby as fuck

* Gastelum has been fined 30 percent of his purse, all of which goes to Woodley, but the bout will go on as scheduled

* Lineker has been fined 30 percent of his purse, all of which goes to McCall, but the bout will go on as scheduled

I just saw the weigh ins and Gastelum looked like shit. Its the 3rd time in 5 fights he misses weight , just go back to Middleweight gosh. Whats worse is he supposedly was just 2-3 pounds overweight and then got hospitalized, so they started hydratating him thats why he's 10 pounds over, but the very fact that he got hospitalized should cancel the fight...
Anyways he can't just be overweight every fight and be punished by 30% , thats ridiculous

edit:
And if he wins this he gets pretty close to a title shot, you cant have a contender for the title acting this way

Kinda surprising the fight still happens. I'm wondering at what point the athletic commission steps in or even if the UFC won't let it happen.

On January 29 2015 09:14 gryzzlybearr wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid. People like him(including myself) because he is the real OG And when you look the guy you know he's had a tough life and is as naive as a child. It is like a naive and slutty girl,nobody can resist

Unless I'm mistaken, he actually grew up in a pretty decent family under not that rough circumstances? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

Anyway I don't mind their trash talk etc, I just dislike when they (the brothers) act completely irrationally (like, sign a contract then throw a hissyfit because they want more stuff that they didn't agree upon).

Anderson Silva's face looks like he worked in the office his whole life. Every other fighters' face is all banged up and Anderson fought more fights than any of them.

Ariel Helwani: "I'm told Gastelum had flu-like symptoms all week. I was told he was 5 lbs over this morning, started throwing up, rushed to hospital to hydrate."

Random question. Just watched weigh-in. As main event part started...Nick walking in...they switched the music to I think a new track? I mean they usually loop like the same 1-2 songs/tracks always. Anyways, anyone know what this new one is? Sounds like good music to work out to

On January 30 2015 21:13 iakim322 wrote: Random question. Just watched weigh-in. As main event part started...Nick walking in...they switched the music to I think a new track? I mean they usually loop like the same 1-2 songs/tracks always. Anyways, anyone know what this new one is? Sounds like good music to work out to

Sounds like a loop of the start of cranberries - zombie

Nah not the one I had in mind/heard. all good

After the weigh ins i think everybody who bets have to go all in on Woodley.Gastelum looked like shit,ashamed and defeated.He is gonna get knocked out.
Also wtf is wrong with everybody missing weight all the time.This is crazy.Lineker fights at 130 every time.I do not understand why every 220 pound man wants to fight at welterweight.
I hope they make the weigh in 1 hour before the fights(like in wrestling).Sick of watching Heavyweights fighting at 205,185 and even 170.

On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.

This is like us saying we don't get why mexicans love beans, enchiladas etc...
Take a visit to stockton, CA walk the streets you will understand a little bit

I just updated the OP. The first fight starts at: 17:30 LP.net / 3:30pm PST / 6:30pm EST

Tate is at +170 right now, i think thats pretty good, she looked amazing in her last fight, im not an expert at making these picks but id suggest watching her last fight and thinkin it over..

An 8 episode show that follows Anderson Silva on his comeback to MMA, and most importantly, against the baddest man he's ever faced in Nick Diaz.
+ Show Spoiler +

Gastelum up to +171/+177 on certain sites, and +160 or better on the rest. I'm not betting that fight, though.

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My final bets for this event
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Final picks:

• Diaz > Silva
• Woodley > Gastelum
• Iaquinta > Lauzon
• Leites > Boetsch
• Mein > Alves
• Tate > McMann
• Brunson > Herman
• McCall > Lineker
• Watson > Natal
• Brandao > Hettes (Brandao might be sick, dunno. He came in 3 pounds underweight, which is a big deal for a featherweight fighter, especially one who has had issue with cutting weight in the past.
• Alcantara > Moreira
• Santos > Enz

I really feel this fight is rigged, especially after watching this interview.

On January 29 2015 19:49 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 29 2015 14:21 Daut wrote:   On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote: i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid. i respect people who truly dont give a fuck about what others think. even when im expressing my own opinions im still striving for some sort of "i want people to like me" and looking for acceptance. nick diaz just doesnt give any fucks, says exactly what he feels/thinks and everyone loves him for it. doesnt make anything you said untrue though. hes extremely unprofessional, delusional and unreliable. I really dont think so, he gets really belligerent with media who says anything negative about him, why would he do that if he didnt care?, he just pretends he doesnt with that pathetic teen thug attitude. I feel like people like Alexander Emeliananko are the ones who really dont give a fuck

yea agreed, i tend to agree with you a lot

On January 31 2015 16:21 Minsk wrote: I really feel this fight is rigged, especially after watching this interview.

Nick is just uncomfortable in front of the camera. I wouldn't take much from that interview.

He knows he's fighting the GOAT, and it's a dangerous fight for him, but it's the only opponent that he's legit respected and had nothing negative to say about, afaik. He's hugged, bowed, and shook hands with Anderson in every interview/press conference I've seen.

Anyway, Nick could just be here for 1 last big paycheck, but it's hard to tell. He said he'd only return to fighting if he could fight GSP or Anderson Silva, and he got his wish. There's a ton of variables going into this fight, which makes it really interesting.

The way I see it going down is:

- Anderson by decision
- Diaz by split-decision
- Anderson via TKO (Diaz getting cut and the doctor stopping it. Diaz gets cut easily and bleeds in most of his fights.)

There is a chance that Anderson wins by a regular TKO, but I think he'll want to "test the waters" and get comfortable in the octagon for awhile, so if a TKO comes, it would be in round 3/4/5. However, if Diaz makes it to round 4 and is still relatively okay, I think it's far less likely Anderson wins by TKO in rounds 4/5.

No, Fedor Emilianenko cares too, you just have to understand Russian culture to understand how he cares and what hes accepted for.

They all care really, its their role in society, they're entertainers, wouldn't be really good entertainers if they didn't care what people thought of them.

The people that don't care arent psycho stone Fedor's, or abrasive Nick Diaz's, they're just the definition of normal people, they have no image.

SIlva
,woodley,
boetsch,
alves
woodley
lauzon


my picks

Fight Pass prelims: http://www.vipleague.se/boxing/280305...-pass-prelims-live-stream-online.html

Ariel Helwani: I'm told the Brandao-Hettes fight has been canceled due to Hettes suffering from an undisclosed medical issue. More info on FS1 later 2night.

Ariel Helwani: I'm told Hettes felt ill while getting hands wrapped. I saw him backstage no more than 30 minutes ago but the fight is definitely off.

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Sucks for any of us who had either guy in their Kountermove teams. Good thing they were on Fight Pass, so my DraftKings teams are safe.

All this GOAT mentioning reminded me of Iron Mike. I'd love to see what Tyson is capable of in UFC in a parallel universe.

Lol Cormier.

Easy win for Thiago Santos.

How does price updating on draftkings work? I'm pretty new to it. Like actual fight odds for the Gastelum fight swung since he failed to make weight. Yet he's still $$ >> Woodley on Draftkings. Do they not update once they put it out?

Obligatory for Nick Diaz

-yt-ts=1422579428&x-yt-cl=85114404

Does Ed Herman really have almost no chance to win against this Derek Brunson fellow?

On January 31 2015 18:47 iakim322 wrote: How does price updating on draftkings work? I'm pretty new to it. Like actual fight odds for the Gastelum fight swung since he failed to make weight. Yet he's still $$ >> Woodley on Draftkings. Do they not update once they put it out?

MMA fantasy website put the lines out, and don't change them after that. The way lines change at various bookies has no affect on fantasy lines.

McCall/Lineker is FOTN thus far. Hopefully the rest of the fights aren't as boring as the first 3.

I bet $100 on Tyron Woodley at +125 earlier in the week.

He's like -200 now lol...

Tate vs. McMann was entertaining. I have it 2-1 Tate.

Cool my only bet was Tate

Intresting scorecards

I took Tate off your advice earlier this week, was worried about it the whole time but it worked out well.

Dat roll into getting fucked lol

What a joke... Mein raped Alves for an entire round, then circles into a hard kick in round 2 and goes down.

On January 31 2015 21:27 PuertoRican wrote: What a joke... Mein raped Alves for an entire round, then circles into a hard kick in round 2 and goes down.

Ehhh he had a dominating last minute I wouldn't really say he was crushing him the entire round or anything.

Leites at some point being -475 in this fight is so puzzling.

I have no idea why Thales wants to dirty box with Boestsch. He might even be a favorite in that game, but its also the only way he can lose.

Poor fight IQ by Tim Boetsch. Too bad too, cuz he was gonna be up 2-0 if he didn't get subbed; probably would've got a TKO in round 3.

Hmm, the white guy won, right? Judges just being newbs? He won 2 rounds, and the black guy just won one?

I'm really tired, but pretty sure the guy in blue shorts won.

For Gastelum vs. Woodley, I had:

Round 1: dunno, I watched it but nothing stood out. Woodley landed 11 strikes, Gastelum landed 4.
Round 2: Woodley
Round 3: Gastelum

30-27 by that one judge was retarded.

That fight sucked. Fucker "doesn't want to knock somebody out everytime"...............................................

Silva by KO/TKO @ -140 lol
insane price

Diaz bringing the entertainment to the fight... :D

my stream is shit. what's happening?

http://tv.fightcreature.com/stream/ch1.html

Funny fight.. lol

Doria the worst corner ever

Silva looking like crap

I guess with 1-2y layoffs a sparring match was to be expected.

my internet just fucked up the whole fight. whats happening so far?

Looks like Diaz showed up for one final paycheck.

The prelims > main card.

Went from funny to boring quite fast...

Didn't feel like I was watching "elite" level strikers here, seemed more in line with a middle card fight on a regional kickboxing show. Hopefully it's just the result of the long time they both spent out of the cage and will be worked off before their next fights.

Anderson vs Rampage please.

Holy crap and he drops to the floor and weeps like a child, I was definitely underestimating the mental toll his 2 losses and injury had on Silva

Silva loss?

Daaaang

Ye i dont know what to think about the fight with both fighters coming from a long layoff but silva should retire. He has nothing to gain in this comeback. No one is #1 forever.

To be sure Nick won every round.

That was a dumb fight to watch.

On January 31 2015 23:41 Raidern wrote: Ye i dont know what to think about the fight with both fighters coming from a long layoff but silva should retire. He has nothing to gain in this comeback. No one is #1 forever.

Didnt you see his reaction winning the fight? he obviously needed this