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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 25 2015 18:25. Posts 12696

Date: Saturday, January 31st
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 17:30 LP.net / 3:30pm PST / 6:30pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 19:00 LP.net / 5pm PST / 8pm EST
Main Card (PPV): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
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Main Card (PPV)

Anderson Silva (33-6) vs. Nick Diaz (26-9) (Middleweight)
Tyron Woodley (14-3) vs. Kelvin Gastelum (10-0) (Welterweight)
Joe Lauzon (24-9) vs. Al Iaquinta (10-3-1) (Lightweight)
Thales Leites (24-4) vs. Tim Boetsch (18-7) (Middleweight)
Jordan Mein (29-9) vs. Thiago Alves (20-9) (Welterweight)

Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1)

Miesha Tate (15-5) vs. Sara McMann (8-1) (Women's Bantamweight)
Ed Herman (22-10) vs. Derek Brunson (12-3) (Middleweight)
Ian McCall (13-4-1) vs. John Lineker (24-7) (Flyweight)
Rafael Natal (18-6-1) vs. Tom Watson (17-7) (Middleweight)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)

Diego Brandao (18-10) vs. Jimy Hettes (11-2) (Featherweight)
Richardson Moreira (7-2) vs. Ildemar Alcantara (20-7) (Middleweight)
Thiago Santos (9-3) vs. Andy Enz (7-2) (Middleweight)

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 25 2015 18:34. Posts 12696





First impression of the match-ups:

• Diaz > Silva (Silva is the better overall MMA fighter, but I'm expecting Diaz to be taking this fight serious, and if he is, his chin + cardio + aggression can cause Silva problems if it goes past 2 rounds. If it reaches round 4 and 5, I expect Diaz to win those rounds.)
• Gastelum > Woodley (Gastelum is more well-rounded, has the better cardio, and shows improvement in most of his fights.)
• Iaquinta > Lauzon (Iaquinta is the better striker and has better head + foot movement. Lauzon is a walking punching bag with terrible take downs and legit BJJ.)
• Leites > Boetsch (Boetsch is currently worth a bet at +360.)
• Mein > Alves
• McMann > Tate
• Brunson > Herman
• McCall > Lineker
• Watson > Natal (Watson has been in USA working on his wrestling for awhile, so I assume he's good enough to stop Natal's crappy take downs at this point. I wouldn't feel confident betting either guy, though.)
• Brandao > Hettes (Hettes is a pure BJJ fighter, nothing more. Brandao has many flaws, but he should win this, unless Hettes gets extremely lucky with something.)
• Moreira vs. Alcantara (dunno)
• Santos > Enz

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Floofy   Canada. Jan 25 2015 18:44. Posts 8704

To say Nick diaz "owns" Silva might be a bit strong, but it seems like a good bet at +360

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 25 2015 19:22. Posts 9629

I really have to hand it to the UFC making that main event:
If Silva wins then Diaz will be used as a one trick pony to re-boost SIlva's image and make the most money out of him till the rest of his career which isn't going to be much
If Diaz wins he will be going for the title fight as the guy who beat Silva and make it massive for the UFC


alejandicto   . Jan 25 2015 21:42. Posts 859

Silva will murder Diaz unless he injures himself or something like that. I also think Woodley > Gastelum


Raidern   Brasil. Jan 25 2015 22:29. Posts 4242

i have a feeling silva will be put to sleep
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TalentedTom    Canada. Jan 25 2015 23:07. Posts 20070


  On January 25 2015 20:42 alejandicto wrote:
Silva will murder Diaz unless he injures himself or something like that. I also think Woodley > Gastelum

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 25 2015 23:16. Posts 12696



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Minsk   United States. Jan 26 2015 00:21. Posts 1558

I don't think you can fight with a metal rod in your leg.

I'm liking the U2.5 2.35 line on Gastellum vs Woodley they're both pretty dangerous. I could see them wrestling for this fight, but its 2.35 odds.


Minsk   United States. Jan 26 2015 00:23. Posts 1558

I also havent seen much Watson, but think Natal is pretty awful.


gryzzlybearr   Bulgaria. Jan 26 2015 02:17. Posts 129

Go Nick Diaz!!
I love Nick ,he is an all time great and if he can avoid the legkicks(which he can not avoid ) he will knock Silva out.
Silva likes to put his hands down and move his head which is the very worst thing you can do against Nick.If you do this he will throw like 100 punches in a row and will punish you.
The only way i see Anderson win the fight is at distance,throwing legkicks and circling alot like Condit.
Nick had the sickest cardio and now without cutting weight i expect him to run around for 25 minutes without stopping and throwing huge ammount of punches.
Also his chin is so sick i can not see Silva knock him out ever.
The current line is crazy thogh.I think the real line is at 50-50.


gryzzlybearr   Bulgaria. Jan 26 2015 02:28. Posts 129

Also i think Joe Lauzon will submit Iaquinta.He has great submissions and Al is like one of the worst at defending submissions.When someone just whisper RNC in his ear and he drops unconcious
I like Gastelum and want him to win but i am not so sure.He is very agressive and can eat a counter right from Woodley.It should be an interesting fight.
It is pretty good card actually - at least 5-6 very good match ups.


Baalim   Mexico. Jan 26 2015 03:17. Posts 33969

what are you guys smoking? Im not even going to comment on gryzzlys posts (LOL).

Diaz is the dream match up for Silva, a high volume striker who is very easy to hit and wont go for takedowns and can be bullied with legkicks, If Silva has confident leg kicks after his injury Diaz probably should win less than 10% of the time, and even without leg kicks what is Nick going to do, is he going to try to swarm light punches against the best counter-striker in the history of MMA?

Literally If I had to hand-pick the best match up for Silva it would be Diaz, so unless Silva has some severe issues with his comeback Nick is drawing dead here.

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gryzzlybearr   Bulgaria. Jan 26 2015 07:48. Posts 129

I think the only way Silva wins is with a lot of leg kicks and circling.If he fucks up Nick's front leg in other words.
Do you think Silva can knock Diaz out with a counter punch (i don't).
Also i think many people forget that not only Weidman knocked out Silva with not so vicioos left hook,but he knocked him down in the second fight with a short right from the clinch.
I do not thrust Anderson's chin anymore.Maybe this ship has sailed.
Also i think Anderson is(was) very good with the counter punches against guys who commit to their punches and Nick is not that guy.
So in general the only way i see Anderson wins is ,if he avoids the fight and win a decision.And i think he will not do that .


northsails   Bulgaria. Jan 26 2015 09:48. Posts 410

Nick's boxing is very good. He has trained with great stand up fighters like Andre Ward, Joe Shilling and Artem Levin to name a few. They are all better stand up fighters than Silva and all had good things to say about Diaz stand up. I am definately no counting him out in this match up against and old Silva coming after this brutal injury.
However the size advantage for Silva is huge here. He is way bigger and stronger. I am not sure Diaz will be able to take clean shots from him no matter how good his chin is. I fear Anderson is just going to tie him up and destroy him in the clinch.
Will be rooting for Diaz though. I hope it is a great fight.


LikeASet   United States. Jan 26 2015 11:23. Posts 2113

Is it just me or why do mma fighters still train with boxing coaches till this day? You'd think it would be better to just train exclusively with kickboxing/muay thai/ karate coaches etc. since it would be more practical and useful in an mma setting, and to prevent yourself from getting tunnel vision during a fight. I'm just a casual fan that doesn't know much about fighting but I feel like some fighters are just too lazy to learn how to throw kicks and more dynamic strike.


Nazgul    Netherlands. Jan 26 2015 12:19. Posts 7079

I don't think people quite realize how insane it is for Diaz to do this. He's not even a big 170er and is going up to fight one of the best in the world at 185 (and a massive 185er at that). This is the same Diaz who fought Gomi (160lbs) and Noons at LW against the guy who didn't look undersized at all when he went up to 205. Huge respect for Diaz, but I'm betting Silva at -370 for $370.

With some different career choices (see Rashad/Shogun/Machida) we could have been talking about a 155er vs a 205er. How absurd is that. LIKE WTF.

..and you're picking him to win.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 26 2015 13:24. Posts 12696


  On January 26 2015 11:19 Nazgul wrote:
I don't think people quite realize how insane it is for Diaz to do this. He's not even a big 170er and is going up to fight one of the best in the world at 185 (and a massive 185er at that). This is the same Diaz who fought Gomi and Noons at LW against the guy who didn't look undersized at all when he went up to 205. Huge respect for Diaz, but I'm betting Silva at -370 for $370.

With some different career choices (see Rashad/Shogun/Machida) we could have been talking about a 155er vs a 205er. How absurd is that. LIKE WTF.

..and you're picking him to win.



Yep, if it goes past 2 rounds, I think Diaz will have an advantage.

I already know Anderson's the GOAT, and he'll be slightly taller than Diaz with much more natural body mass, but I won't ignore how he looked in his last two fights, how he took damage to the face in both fights (especially the 2nd fight), his age, time off, and first fight back from a sick injury that would end most fighters careers.

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Nazgul    Netherlands. Jan 26 2015 14:34. Posts 7079

If he manages to do it more power to him, will be an amazing feat.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 26 2015 14:45. Posts 12696

Depends how Diaz wins, though. The only way people won't discredit Diaz is if he wins a 5-round war where his face is super bloody and cut up.

Lawler vs. Diaz #2 would be nice.

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Jan 26 2015 14:49. Posts 7292

If Diaz makes it to a decision in this fight, it would be a win in my books.

Even if we ignore the ridiculous weight difference, Anderson is an absolute nightmare match-up for him, assuming his leg is healed enough to be throwing those low kicks. The blueprint is out for beating the Diaz brothers, and its all about those leg kicks vs their boxing stance.

Id bet on Jose Aldo to beat Nick Diaz at this point.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 26 2015 15:22. Posts 12696





For anyone betting the ladies match, I originally picked McMann to win, but I changed my mind shortly after. I waited till today and still think Tate will win. I bet her at +130, but now she's at +165.

Also, Diaz is at +365.

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whamm!   Albania. Jan 26 2015 21:00. Posts 11625

What are the odds Silva by KO? 5 rounds is a lot and since Diaz always trades (unless he's changed) he will be KTFOed.


soberstone   United States. Jan 26 2015 21:10. Posts 2662

Stoked man - gonna be in Vegas for this call and the Superbowl, going to be doing a lot of tape study and research throughout this week so these picks are subject to change, but:

• Silva > Diaz - I feel like if they strike at range, it's no contest, and if Diaz presses hard, Silva will clinch him up and own him there. The odds on this fight would be astronomically wider if there weren't the valid factors of age and Silva's mental state. You can always question both of their dedications.
• Gastelum > Woodley - I echo the sentiments of Rican on this one.
• Iaquinta > Lauzon - I just don't see how Lauzon gets him down or keeps him in the clinch past the first couple minutes. Terrible matchup for J-Lau unless it hits the mat, and even if it does, look for Iaquinta to be hyper-aware of the submission
• Leites > Boetsch - Fully agree that Boetsch is worth a bet at the current odds. I think he's a great value. I think if he can push the pace and not get submitted or bombed on, Laites is carrying a lot of muscle these days and will gas
• Mein > Alves - Pissed the odds are moving so much on this one, I think this is going to be Mein's coming out party.
• McMann > Tate - Really not forward to watching the tape as McMann is dreadful to watch, but I don't see Meisha being able to deal with the athleticism and if McMann has been working on her BJJ (which would be the obvious thing to have been doing ever since before the Rousey fight) - I feel her being able to ragdoll Meisha and avoid sweeps and danger
• Brunson > Herman - Herman is going to get absolutely fucked
• McCall > Lineker - Lineker has 2 minutes of hope and then he's gonna get picked apart
• Watson > Natal - Natal is awful and folds easy. Watson is tough and not great, but not awful.
• Brandao > Hettes - This will probably be a fun fight, good matchup for Brandao, should be some good scrambles.
• Moreira vs. Alcantara - No clue yet
• Santos vs Enz - No clue yet

 Last edit: 26/01/2015 21:11

soberstone   United States. Jan 26 2015 21:33. Posts 2662

I do think the southpaw vs southpaw stance favors Diaz in the sense that he is really great at hand-fighting with that lead hand with parrying and coming over the top or dipping under, and if anderson is throwing kicks, Diaz is that much closer with that lead hand to punish him up top with jabs and hooks. I doubt Diaz will be able to come across with crosses or uppercuts, his stance is so wide and he is so much slower that if he tries that shit without Silva being hurt or tired he is gonna go to sleep.

Silva also likes to move back towards the cage which I would never advise against a Diaz bro. It really is an intriguing style matchup.

 Last edit: 26/01/2015 21:34

Baalim   Mexico. Jan 26 2015 22:33. Posts 33969

Backing up against the cage vs Diaz isnt dangerous at all, its just the limit exhausted people can back up to, Nick doesn do anything special there but batter people who cant lift their arms anymore like BJ Penn.

The southpaw vs southpaw stance is interesting but there will be much less lead hand fighting, that is what happens when you have opposite stance fighters and usually the southpaw dominate that area this time you wont see Nick checking Andersons lead hand so much, im not sure who would capitalize on it better.

That brings a lof of questions because Anderson will not have to throw power inside leg kicks (how he broke his shin), in his southpaw v southpaw angle he can throw much safer regular outside leg kicks.


Also I dont see how Nick could survive the Thai plum, Nick has historically responded to it with body shots but Silvas knees are too powerful for Nick to exchange with punches and he wont be able to shrug off a big middleweight easily as Naz pointed out.

I think this fight ends up Silva KOing Diaz over 50% of the time in a 5 round fight

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Jan 26 2015 23:52. Posts 7499


  On January 26 2015 02:17 Baalim wrote:
what are you guys smoking? Im not even going to comment on gryzzlys posts (LOL).

Diaz is the dream match up for Silva, a high volume striker who is very easy to hit and wont go for takedowns and can be bullied with legkicks, If Silva has confident leg kicks after his injury Diaz probably should win less than 10% of the time, and even without leg kicks what is Nick going to do, is he going to try to swarm light punches against the best counter-striker in the history of MMA?

Literally If I had to hand-pick the best match up for Silva it would be Diaz, so unless Silva has some severe issues with his comeback Nick is drawing dead here.



Agree 100%. Silva is way bigger, a vastly superior fighter, and this is the absolute perfect style match up for Silva. Diaz will plod forward hands out wide, chin up, with zero head movement against the best counter striker in MMA with a huge reach and size advantage. This should be absolute murder.

I honestly thought coming into this fight Silva would be like, -1000 easily. I just don't see how he's only -450ish.

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Jan 26 2015 23:55. Posts 7499


  On January 26 2015 12:24 PuertoRican wrote:
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Yep, if it goes past 2 rounds, I think Diaz will have an advantage.

I already know Anderson's the GOAT, and he'll be slightly taller than Diaz with much more natural body mass, but I won't ignore how he looked in his last two fights, how he took damage to the face in both fights (especially the 2nd fight), his age, time off, and first fight back from a sick injury that would end most fighters careers.


Chris also easily out struck Machida and is a top 3 p4p fighter, top 5 at worst. There is no shame in losing to Chris Weidman, Meanwhile Nick would probably lose to over half the top 10 at WW.

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TianYuan    Korea (South). Jan 27 2015 00:17. Posts 6810


  On January 26 2015 12:24 PuertoRican wrote:
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Yep, if it goes past 2 rounds, I think Diaz will have an advantage.

I already know Anderson's the GOAT, and he'll be slightly taller than Diaz with much more natural body mass, but I won't ignore how he looked in his last two fights, how he took damage to the face in both fights (especially the 2nd fight), his age, time off, and first fight back from a sick injury that would end most fighters careers.

Weidman hits like a few orders of magnitude harder than Diaz, and also happens to be a PHENOMENAL wrestler whereas the Diaz brothers don't really wrestle whatsoever.....

I mean, the only way I can see Diaz winning is if Silva is just completely shot and shouldnt be fighting anymore.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 27 2015 01:45. Posts 33969


  On January 26 2015 22:52 Stim_Abuser wrote:
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Agree 100%. Silva is way bigger, a vastly superior fighter, and this is the absolute perfect style match up for Silva. Diaz will plod forward hands out wide, chin up, with zero head movement against the best counter striker in MMA with a huge reach and size advantage. This should be absolute murder.

I honestly thought coming into this fight Silva would be like, -1000 easily. I just don't see how he's only -450ish.


I think people are just too worried about Silvas shape after his injury and time off but they are not conting that Silva has actually been training read hard to overcome his injury while Nick was probably sitting on his ass all this time, and also Nick is just fighting for a pay check while Silva has a lot more going on, I think we will see a more deteriorated Nick Diaz than an Anderson Silva.

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Jan 27 2015 04:59. Posts 7499

I wouldn't agree with that tbh. Diaz does marathons for fun. Fitness is a massive part of his life. The vast majority of Silva's recovery was spent not being able to walk or run or do shit.

But Silva's so much better and it's such a good match up, that it should be a super easy fight for him. Unless Silva's completely broke and like 10% as good as he used to be with a glass chin.

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TheHuHu3   United States. Jan 27 2015 05:09. Posts 5544

Okay, how much $ will I win if I bet $100 on Silva and he wins???????????

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northsails   Bulgaria. Jan 27 2015 06:21. Posts 410


  On January 26 2015 21:33 Baalim wrote:
Backing up against the cage vs Diaz isnt dangerous at all, its just the limit exhausted people can back up to, Nick doesn do anything special there but batter people who cant lift their arms anymore like BJ Penn.




LOL. That is actually the worst thing you can do against Diaz. He absolutely batters anyone that has back up to the cage in his fights. Watch his fight with Daley or the fight with Condit or any of his recent fights. His opponents can't use there footwork and kicks there and that is Diaz's biggest weaknesses.

But like I said I think Silva is going to be too much for Diaz. He is too big and has too much power. He has better movement, more speed and more weapons. This fights should be easy for him.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 27 2015 08:02. Posts 9629


  On January 27 2015 04:09 TheHuHu3 wrote:
Okay, how much $ will I win if I bet $100 on Silva and he wins???????????



three fiddy


gryzzlybearr   Bulgaria. Jan 27 2015 10:31. Posts 129

The most important question now-Give your prediction about how the fight goes and how the fight ends?
I will start first.
I think they go out and Silva starts kicking Nick.Nick is going to chase him and they will engage hard in the first round because Silva is not going to run away all the time ,but will want to fight.
I see Diaz takes some damage in the first and second round then turns it around and knock Silva out in the fifth in a bloody fashion.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 27 2015 11:29. Posts 9629

I still get goosebumps when i think about how Silva broke his leg damn.
I only wonder if Diaz is fast enough to catch Silva before he catches him, pretty sure this will go TKO either way. Would be very surprised to see a the match go the distance


TheHuHu3   United States. Jan 27 2015 14:21. Posts 5544


  On January 27 2015 07:02 Spitfiree wrote:
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You wanna fight?

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Minsk   United States. Jan 27 2015 18:33. Posts 1558

I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people.


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 27 2015 19:01. Posts 12696


  On January 27 2015 17:33 Minsk wrote:
I like Thiago Santos ML. I think that hes a mean guy that likes to hurt people.




For his sake, I hope he is.

A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter.

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handbanana21   United States. Jan 27 2015 21:26. Posts 3037


  On January 27 2015 18:01 PuertoRican wrote:
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For his sake, I hope he is.

A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter.


aka uriah hall


soberstone   United States. Jan 27 2015 22:18. Posts 2662


  On January 27 2015 20:26 handbanana21 wrote:
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aka uriah hall



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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 27 2015 22:25. Posts 33969


  On January 27 2015 05:21 northsails wrote:
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LOL. That is actually the worst thing you can do against Diaz. He absolutely batters anyone that has back up to the cage in his fights. Watch his fight with Daley or the fight with Condit or any of his recent fights. His opponents can't use there footwork and kicks there and that is Diaz's biggest weaknesses.

But like I said I think Silva is going to be too much for Diaz. He is too big and has too much power. He has better movement, more speed and more weapons. This fights should be easy for him.


That applies against anyone, having your back against the cage is bad because you have little mobility, power etc, but Diaz does nothing special there, its just where already exhausted and battered opponents are forced to go when Diaz keeps pressing forward.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 27 2015 22:30. Posts 33969


  On January 27 2015 18:01 PuertoRican wrote:
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For his sake, I hope he is.

A nice guy that doesn't like to hurt people would make for a shitty MMA fighter.


There are many fighters who dont need to use anger or viciousness in their fights, its just one path to get motivated and I dont think its the best way to do it.

The whole Uria Hall thing was just overblown media crap because of some standard Dana White bullshit statements

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 28 2015 02:54. Posts 12696

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iakim322   United States. Jan 28 2015 04:21. Posts 1335


  On January 27 2015 21:30 Baalim wrote:
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There are many fighters who dont need to use anger or viciousness in their fights, its just one path to get motivated and I dont think its the best way to do it.

The whole Uria Hall thing was just overblown media crap because of some standard Dana White bullshit statements



Agree that a fighter doesn't need anger nor that it's the best way. It doesn't mean that shifting mindsets to pure aggression isn't beneficial to some.

Dana says a lot of bullshit obviously. Don't think the Uriah Hall one was a good example. Dana said that stuff after Uriah's 'fight' with John Howard. Probably because Uriah was too busy high fiving his opponent after every parried strike instead of blowing him out like his talents should allow him to. And this was after he was clearly genuinely happy that at least it was his good friend Kevin Gastelum that beat him for the ultimate fighter finale.

Any promoter in the history of combat sports would've been upset with that high fiving, fist bumping joke of a fight. And it looks like it worked because he's definitely looked and sounded different since then.




northsails   Bulgaria. Jan 28 2015 06:51. Posts 410


  On January 27 2015 21:25 Baalim wrote:

That applies against anyone, having your back against the cage is bad because you have little mobility, power etc, but Diaz does nothing special there, its just where already exhausted and battered opponents are forced to go when Diaz keeps pressing forward.



Yes ofcourse it applies against anyone, but what do you mean by doing something special in this position. Who for you is example of somebody that does something special there?

In every single fight this is the spot where Diaz is making the most damage, so I think his game there is one of the best in mma. He is pinning his opponents with his forehead and just unloading with body shots and different combinations to the head often doubling on hooks which might cause Anderson some trouble. He is not the typical head hunting predictable fighter that Anderson has been KO'ing through his career.

That being said It will not suprise me if this fight is similar to Stipe Miocic and Fabio Maldonaldo. Maldonaldo was supposed to be tough and durable fighter, but got absolutely pummeled in seconds based on simply size difference. I hope Diaz can take Anderson's shots because then it will be a great fight.

As for prediction: I think Silva destroys Nick in 1 round - knees to the body.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 28 2015 09:06. Posts 9629


  On January 27 2015 21:30 Baalim wrote:
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The whole Uria Hall thing was just overblown media crap because of some standard Dana White bullshit statements


True his fight vs John Howard was just mega bad by both guys, Hall showed what he s capable of in his last fight


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Daut    United States. Jan 28 2015 12:41. Posts 8950

if silva is even close to how he was pre injury, he destroys diaz. not sure how anyone can think anything otherwise? the diaz brothers are not elite fighters and nick is facing someone much bigger. this is a squash match. unless of course anderson is a shell of his former self, which is very possible. heard a rumor anderson was KTFO in training a few weeks ago

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 28 2015 18:59. Posts 9629


  On January 28 2015 11:41 Daut wrote:
if silva is even close to how he was pre injury, he destroys diaz. not sure how anyone can think anything otherwise? the diaz brothers are not elite fighters and nick is facing someone much bigger. this is a squash match. unless of course anderson is a shell of his former self, which is very possible. heard a rumor anderson was KTFO in training a few weeks ago


Think we have the reasons to hold such doubts, he broke his leg, he s old, he said he didn't even want to fight anymore he just wants to finish his contract. :/ He s still the GOAT imo, his style is just the most entertaining thing you can ever see in MMA, age is a huge factor in this sport sadly and people will remember him as the guy that got demolished twice at the end of his career


FlikstRR   United Kingdom. Jan 28 2015 19:10. Posts 7

missed workouts... as a massive diaz fan.. i know how this story goes..


ilbh   Brasil. Jan 28 2015 19:36. Posts 275


  On January 28 2015 11:41 Daut wrote:
if silva is even close to how he was pre injury, he destroys diaz. not sure how anyone can think anything otherwise? the diaz brothers are not elite fighters and nick is facing someone much bigger. this is a squash match. unless of course anderson is a shell of his former self, which is very possible. heard a rumor anderson was KTFO in training a few weeks ago


AS got knocked out with a kick in the face by the sparring Khalil Rountree, as he said in an interview for brazilian media.

source: http://sportv.globo.com/site/combate/...eino-semanas-atras-chute-na-cara.html


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 28 2015 23:34. Posts 12696

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traxamillion   United States. Jan 29 2015 00:07. Posts 10468

'if he throws a kick and that shit hits me in the head, WTF!'

'i'm fightin like the terminator or some shit'

'its whatever, u kno i think its kinda bullshit'

-Diaz is a funny guy


Daut    United States. Jan 29 2015 00:43. Posts 8950


  On January 28 2015 17:59 Spitfiree wrote:
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Think we have the reasons to hold such doubts, he broke his leg, he s old, he said he didn't even want to fight anymore he just wants to finish his contract. :/ He s still the GOAT imo, his style is just the most entertaining thing you can ever see in MMA, age is a huge factor in this sport sadly and people will remember him as the guy that got demolished twice at the end of his career


nick diaz hasnt won a fight in 3.5 years. and that fight was vs a guy who finished his career at 145 pounds. we have some reason to believe anderson isnt his same old self, but why do we think that nick diaz of all people can beat him?

i also think its pretty clear jones > anderson all time.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 29 2015 00:55. Posts 12696




Nick Diaz may or may not have been in Las Vegas all this time. Whatever the case may be, it's clear that the UFC and certain MMA media websites were trying to stir shit up, especially Dana White and the photoshopped picture he posted of Diaz on his Twitter page (picture above). https://twitter.com/danawhite

Anyway, here's a bunch of info that proves Diaz is in Las Vegas as we speak: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/28/...en-workout-no-show-ufc-prank-mma-news

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 29 2015 01:14. Posts 33969


  On January 28 2015 05:51 northsails wrote:
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Yes ofcourse it applies against anyone, but what do you mean by doing something special in this position. Who for you is example of somebody that does something special there?

In every single fight this is the spot where Diaz is making the most damage, so I think his game there is one of the best in mma. He is pinning his opponents with his forehead and just unloading with body shots and different combinations to the head often doubling on hooks which might cause Anderson some trouble. He is not the typical head hunting predictable fighter that Anderson has been KO'ing through his career.

That being said It will not suprise me if this fight is similar to Stipe Miocic and Fabio Maldonaldo. Maldonaldo was supposed to be tough and durable fighter, but got absolutely pummeled in seconds based on simply size difference. I hope Diaz can take Anderson's shots because then it will be a great fight.

As for prediction: I think Silva destroys Nick in 1 round - knees to the body.


Rory McDonald also destroyed Tyron Woodly against the cage and in better fashion than Diaz does because Diaz just throws but is still very easy to hit back but Rory wasnt.

Also Jon Jones is another fighter who is obviously better than Diaz when he has his opponent against the cage among others.

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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 29 2015 01:18. Posts 33969

i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 29 2015 02:45. Posts 12696


  On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote:
i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.



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gryzzlybearr   Bulgaria. Jan 29 2015 10:14. Posts 129


  On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote:
i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.



People like him(including myself) because he is the real OG
And when you look the guy you know he's had a tough life and is as naive as a child.
It is like a naive and slutty girl,nobody can resist


gryzzlybearr   Bulgaria. Jan 29 2015 10:18. Posts 129

Ooo and the most important ,he is one of the most entertaining fighters of all time if not the most!
When you see Nick Diaz in the octagon you know something crazy is gonna happen.


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Daut    United States. Jan 29 2015 15:21. Posts 8950


  On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote:
i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.



i respect people who truly dont give a fuck about what others think. even when im expressing my own opinions im still striving for some sort of "i want people to like me" and looking for acceptance. nick diaz just doesnt give any fucks, says exactly what he feels/thinks and everyone loves him for it.

doesnt make anything you said untrue though. hes extremely unprofessional, delusional and unreliable.

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Minsk   United States. Jan 29 2015 18:08. Posts 1558


  On January 29 2015 14:21 Daut wrote:
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i respect people who truly dont give a fuck about what others think. even when im expressing my own opinions im still striving for some sort of "i want people to like me" and looking for acceptance. nick diaz just doesnt give any fucks, says exactly what he feels/thinks and everyone loves him for it.




Nope, hes doing the same thing as you, people just accept/like him for different reasons .


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 29 2015 18:54. Posts 9629

Rofl Cerrone tweeted that he would take the fight if Nick Diaz wont show up. If it were anyone else I'd say it would be a PR stunt, but Cerrone would actually do it, what a fucking hero :D


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Baalim   Mexico. Jan 29 2015 20:49. Posts 33969


  On January 29 2015 14:21 Daut wrote:
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i respect people who truly dont give a fuck about what others think. even when im expressing my own opinions im still striving for some sort of "i want people to like me" and looking for acceptance. nick diaz just doesnt give any fucks, says exactly what he feels/thinks and everyone loves him for it.

doesnt make anything you said untrue though. hes extremely unprofessional, delusional and unreliable.


I really dont think so, he gets really belligerent with media who says anything negative about him, why would he do that if he didnt care?, he just pretends he doesnt with that pathetic teen thug attitude.


I feel like people like Alexander Emeliananko are the ones who really dont give a fuck

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 30 2015 08:43. Posts 9629


  On January 29 2015 19:49 Baalim wrote:
I really dont think so, he gets really belligerent with media who says anything negative about him, why would he do that if he didnt care?, he just pretends he doesnt with that pathetic teen thug attitude.


Well thats pretty obvious, only way of literally not giving a fuck is if you were a sociopath which he s not. He just grew up in the ghetto and society had its pressure on him hence the anger and disrespect towards any authority. I do like the way he acts to a certain point, but he s probably doing it for the wrong reasons as well. I'd say he s the way he is because of fear mainly, but thats pretty understandable

Also you re pretty fast on jumping the gun Baal, some people just dont have as open mindsets as yours that doesn't instantly mean they are pathetic cause of the way they are. I m as narcissistic as you are but that's a problem and it should be fixed

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Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 30 2015 11:03. Posts 4742

I think he's more fun than most to watch and listen to, since it's all out there, you can notice when he's lost in thought, when he's lying, when he's trying to sound smart, when his mind is just grabbing whatever floats into his consciousness "let's say this!", and even though that sounds quite stupid, he kinda rolls with it lol.

Fighters that turn me off the most are the ones who go all biblical after a fight, and start screaming "Thank you Jesus, Thanks to GOD I won!". I start tossing and turning so much, scrambling to get out of the couch and turn that shit off, or fast forward through lol.

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iakim322   United States. Jan 30 2015 17:21. Posts 1335


  On January 29 2015 19:49 Baalim wrote:
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I really dont think so, he gets really belligerent with media who says anything negative about him, why would he do that if he didnt care?, he just pretends he doesnt with that pathetic teen thug attitude.


I feel like people like Alexander Emeliananko are the ones who really dont give a fuck



One is a dick to his fighting opponents (and almost never after the actual fight) and his bosses...while his most serious actual trouble with the law has been a DUI for weed. The other is a wild looking bear of a russian...who's actually killed an actual bear by stabbing it in the heart apparently...and someone who went to jail for several years in gdamn russia over shady circumstances. Solid relate-able comparison in this 'no fucks given' talk.


iakim322   United States. Jan 30 2015 17:41. Posts 1335


  On January 30 2015 10:03 Mariuslol wrote:
I think he's more fun than most to watch and listen to, since it's all out there, you can notice when he's lost in thought, when he's lying, when he's trying to sound smart, when his mind is just grabbing whatever floats into his consciousness "let's say this!", and even though that sounds quite stupid, he kinda rolls with it lol.

Fighters that turn me off the most are the ones who go all biblical after a fight, and start screaming "Thank you Jesus, Thanks to GOD I won!". I start tossing and turning so much, scrambling to get out of the coach and turn that shit off, or fast forward through lol.




The part where maybe he's sometimes trying to sound smart...I think sometimes it just seems like the wheels in his head are trying to turn but he doesn't know how to express what he wants to say properly. So it comes out uneducated, borderline retarded sometimes and shit. Which he is (uneducated) and he even admits to it.

140% agreed with your second part. God helped me bash another human being's skull in because he loves me so much more than that other guy. Such an inherently mind bogglingly stupid way of thinking that I can never even root for one second for fighters who are like that.

Taking away other stuff...in terms of why any of us here, watching this sport, talking about it..etc. What's the one reason? Entertainment no? People who seem to hate on Nick so much...I really don't get it. You'd really rather watch someone who does the above? Or someone who talks a bunch of shit then goes out and doesn't show up on fight night...stalling rounds...laying and praying....running around the octagon....or basically just gives up trying to win after a couple of rounds? Or maybe someone like Phil Davis who's trash talk stems purely from someone else's idea that it'd be good for his business...then goes out and tries to hug a guy all night. To each his own I guess.


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 30 2015 17:48. Posts 12696




Kelvin Gastelum had the worst possible weight cut, but the fight is supposedly still on. Weigh-ins start in a couple minutes.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/30/...-bad-weight-cut-woodley-fight-ufc-183

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MysticJoey   Poland. Jan 30 2015 19:28. Posts 1430

lol 10 pounds over


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 30 2015 19:44. Posts 12696

Something interesting about this weigh-in is that Lineker missed weight by 4 pounds, Brandao came in 3 pounds underweight, and Gastelum missed weight by 9 pounds.

Lineker seemed like he was full of energy, so he'll probably go hard in round 1 tomorrow. Lineker hasn't missed weight by this much before, so I'm not sure what his deal was.

Brandao has had problems with making weight in the past, and he's never came in underweight, so I'm not sure what's wrong.

News came out before the weigh-in that Gastelum had a tough time making weight, so he was expected to miss weight. It's unclear whether the original news about him being hospitalized is true or not. Either way, his body didn't look great, and he looked like a puppy that was scolded by its owner.


Nick Diaz (185.5) vs. Anderson Silva (186)
Kelvin Gastelum (180) vs. Tyron Woodley (170.5)
Al Iaquinta (156) vs. Joe Lauzon (156)
Tim Boetsch (185.5) vs. Thales Leites (186)
Thiago Alves (171) vs. Jordan Mein (169.5)
Sara McMann (135.5) vs. Miesha Tate (135.5)
Derek Brunson (186) vs. Ed Herman (186)
John Lineker (130) vs. Ian McCall (126)
Rafael Natal (185.5) vs. Tom Watson (186)
Diego Brandao (142) vs. Jimy Hettes (146)
Ildemar Alcantara (185) vs. Richardson Moreira (185.5)
Andy Enz (186) vs. Thiago “Marreta” Santos (185.5)

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 30 2015 19:59. Posts 9629

Gastelum rode that dream UFC contract so he got chubby as fuck


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 30 2015 20:10. Posts 12696

* Gastelum has been fined 30 percent of his purse, all of which goes to Woodley, but the bout will go on as scheduled

* Lineker has been fined 30 percent of his purse, all of which goes to McCall, but the bout will go on as scheduled

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Jan 30 2015 20:49. Posts 9629

I just saw the weigh ins and Gastelum looked like shit. Its the 3rd time in 5 fights he misses weight , just go back to Middleweight gosh. Whats worse is he supposedly was just 2-3 pounds overweight and then got hospitalized, so they started hydratating him thats why he's 10 pounds over, but the very fact that he got hospitalized should cancel the fight...
Anyways he can't just be overweight every fight and be punished by 30% , thats ridiculous

edit:
And if he wins this he gets pretty close to a title shot, you cant have a contender for the title acting this way

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NMcNasty    United States. Jan 30 2015 20:50. Posts 2039

Kinda surprising the fight still happens. I'm wondering at what point the athletic commission steps in or even if the UFC won't let it happen.


TianYuan    Korea (South). Jan 30 2015 20:51. Posts 6810


  On January 29 2015 09:14 gryzzlybearr wrote:
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People like him(including myself) because he is the real OG
And when you look the guy you know he's had a tough life and is as naive as a child.
It is like a naive and slutty girl,nobody can resist

Unless I'm mistaken, he actually grew up in a pretty decent family under not that rough circumstances? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

Anyway I don't mind their trash talk etc, I just dislike when they (the brothers) act completely irrationally (like, sign a contract then throw a hissyfit because they want more stuff that they didn't agree upon).

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MyAnacondaDont   United States. Jan 30 2015 21:00. Posts 164

Anderson Silva's face looks like he worked in the office his whole life. Every other fighters' face is all banged up and Anderson fought more fights than any of them.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 30 2015 21:05. Posts 12696

Ariel Helwani: "I'm told Gastelum had flu-like symptoms all week. I was told he was 5 lbs over this morning, started throwing up, rushed to hospital to hydrate."

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iakim322   United States. Jan 30 2015 22:13. Posts 1335

Random question. Just watched weigh-in. As main event part started...Nick walking in...they switched the music to I think a new track? I mean they usually loop like the same 1-2 songs/tracks always. Anyways, anyone know what this new one is? Sounds like good music to work out to


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 30 2015 23:40. Posts 12696

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ERASA   Germany. Jan 31 2015 01:00. Posts 2440


  On January 30 2015 21:13 iakim322 wrote:
Random question. Just watched weigh-in. As main event part started...Nick walking in...they switched the music to I think a new track? I mean they usually loop like the same 1-2 songs/tracks always. Anyways, anyone know what this new one is? Sounds like good music to work out to


Sounds like a loop of the start of cranberries - zombie

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iakim322   United States. Jan 31 2015 02:54. Posts 1335

Nah not the one I had in mind/heard. all good


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gryzzlybearr   Bulgaria. Jan 31 2015 07:39. Posts 129

After the weigh ins i think everybody who bets have to go all in on Woodley.Gastelum looked like shit,ashamed and defeated.He is gonna get knocked out.
Also wtf is wrong with everybody missing weight all the time.This is crazy.Lineker fights at 130 every time.I do not understand why every 220 pound man wants to fight at welterweight.
I hope they make the weigh in 1 hour before the fights(like in wrestling).Sick of watching Heavyweights fighting at 205,185 and even 170.


flounder44   United States. Jan 31 2015 15:51. Posts 916


  On January 29 2015 00:18 Baalim wrote:
i dont get why people like Diaz I think he is pathetic, unprofessional, loud mouthed, delusional and incredibly stupid.



This is like us saying we don't get why mexicans love beans, enchiladas etc...
Take a visit to stockton, CA walk the streets you will understand a little bit


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 16:10. Posts 12696

I just updated the OP. The first fight starts at: 17:30 LP.net / 3:30pm PST / 6:30pm EST

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milkman   United States. Jan 31 2015 16:48. Posts 5719

Tate is at +170 right now, i think thats pretty good, she looked amazing in her last fight, im not an expert at making these picks but id suggest watching her last fight and thinkin it over..

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 16:53. Posts 12696




An 8 episode show that follows Anderson Silva on his comeback to MMA, and most importantly, against the baddest man he's ever faced in Nick Diaz.
+ Show Spoiler +

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 17:11. Posts 12696




Gastelum up to +171/+177 on certain sites, and +160 or better on the rest. I'm not betting that fight, though.

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My final bets for this event
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Final picks:

• Diaz > Silva
• Woodley > Gastelum
• Iaquinta > Lauzon
• Leites > Boetsch
• Mein > Alves
• Tate > McMann
• Brunson > Herman
• McCall > Lineker
• Watson > Natal
• Brandao > Hettes (Brandao might be sick, dunno. He came in 3 pounds underweight, which is a big deal for a featherweight fighter, especially one who has had issue with cutting weight in the past.
• Alcantara > Moreira
• Santos > Enz

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Minsk   United States. Jan 31 2015 17:17. Posts 1558

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Minsk   United States. Jan 31 2015 17:21. Posts 1558

I really feel this fight is rigged, especially after watching this interview.


traxamillion   United States. Jan 31 2015 17:59. Posts 10468


  On January 29 2015 19:49 Baalim wrote:
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I really dont think so, he gets really belligerent with media who says anything negative about him, why would he do that if he didnt care?, he just pretends he doesnt with that pathetic teen thug attitude.


I feel like people like Alexander Emeliananko are the ones who really dont give a fuck



yea agreed, i tend to agree with you a lot


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 18:11. Posts 12696


  On January 31 2015 16:21 Minsk wrote:
I really feel this fight is rigged, especially after watching this interview.




Nick is just uncomfortable in front of the camera. I wouldn't take much from that interview.

He knows he's fighting the GOAT, and it's a dangerous fight for him, but it's the only opponent that he's legit respected and had nothing negative to say about, afaik. He's hugged, bowed, and shook hands with Anderson in every interview/press conference I've seen.

Anyway, Nick could just be here for 1 last big paycheck, but it's hard to tell. He said he'd only return to fighting if he could fight GSP or Anderson Silva, and he got his wish. There's a ton of variables going into this fight, which makes it really interesting.

The way I see it going down is:

- Anderson by decision
- Diaz by split-decision
- Anderson via TKO (Diaz getting cut and the doctor stopping it. Diaz gets cut easily and bleeds in most of his fights.)

There is a chance that Anderson wins by a regular TKO, but I think he'll want to "test the waters" and get comfortable in the octagon for awhile, so if a TKO comes, it would be in round 3/4/5. However, if Diaz makes it to round 4 and is still relatively okay, I think it's far less likely Anderson wins by TKO in rounds 4/5.

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Minsk   United States. Jan 31 2015 18:11. Posts 1558

No, Fedor Emilianenko cares too, you just have to understand Russian culture to understand how he cares and what hes accepted for.

They all care really, its their role in society, they're entertainers, wouldn't be really good entertainers if they didn't care what people thought of them.

The people that don't care arent psycho stone Fedor's, or abrasive Nick Diaz's, they're just the definition of normal people, they have no image.




whamm!   Albania. Jan 31 2015 18:28. Posts 11625

SIlva
,woodley,
boetsch,
alves
woodley
lauzon


my picks

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 18:32. Posts 12696

Fight Pass prelims: http://www.vipleague.se/boxing/280305...-pass-prelims-live-stream-online.html

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 18:39. Posts 12696

Ariel Helwani: I'm told the Brandao-Hettes fight has been canceled due to Hettes suffering from an undisclosed medical issue. More info on FS1 later 2night.

Ariel Helwani: I'm told Hettes felt ill while getting hands wrapped. I saw him backstage no more than 30 minutes ago but the fight is definitely off.

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cariadon   Estonia. Jan 31 2015 19:05. Posts 4015



All this GOAT mentioning reminded me of Iron Mike. I'd love to see what Tyson is capable of in UFC in a parallel universe.

Lol Cormier.


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 19:12. Posts 12696

Easy win for Thiago Santos.

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iakim322   United States. Jan 31 2015 19:47. Posts 1335

How does price updating on draftkings work? I'm pretty new to it. Like actual fight odds for the Gastelum fight swung since he failed to make weight. Yet he's still $$ >> Woodley on Draftkings. Do they not update once they put it out?


whamm!   Albania. Jan 31 2015 19:49. Posts 11625

Obligatory for Nick Diaz

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Minsk   United States. Jan 31 2015 19:52. Posts 1558

Does Ed Herman really have almost no chance to win against this Derek Brunson fellow?


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 19:54. Posts 12696




  On January 31 2015 18:47 iakim322 wrote:
How does price updating on draftkings work? I'm pretty new to it. Like actual fight odds for the Gastelum fight swung since he failed to make weight. Yet he's still $$ >> Woodley on Draftkings. Do they not update once they put it out?



MMA fantasy website put the lines out, and don't change them after that. The way lines change at various bookies has no affect on fantasy lines.

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 21:03. Posts 12696

McCall/Lineker is FOTN thus far. Hopefully the rest of the fights aren't as boring as the first 3.

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Minsk   United States. Jan 31 2015 21:17. Posts 1558

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Jan 31 2015 21:28. Posts 7292

I bet $100 on Tyron Woodley at +125 earlier in the week.

He's like -200 now lol...

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PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 21:48. Posts 12696

Tate vs. McMann was entertaining. I have it 2-1 Tate.

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ERASA   Germany. Jan 31 2015 21:50. Posts 2440

Cool my only bet was Tate


gebbstet   Sweden. Jan 31 2015 21:51. Posts 391

Intresting scorecards


Minsk   United States. Jan 31 2015 21:55. Posts 1558

I took Tate off your advice earlier this week, was worried about it the whole time but it worked out well.


ERASA   Germany. Jan 31 2015 22:23. Posts 2440

Dat roll into getting fucked lol


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 22:27. Posts 12696

What a joke... Mein raped Alves for an entire round, then circles into a hard kick in round 2 and goes down.

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Nazgul    Netherlands. Jan 31 2015 22:41. Posts 7079


  On January 31 2015 21:27 PuertoRican wrote:
What a joke... Mein raped Alves for an entire round, then circles into a hard kick in round 2 and goes down.


Ehhh he had a dominating last minute I wouldn't really say he was crushing him the entire round or anything.

Leites at some point being -475 in this fight is so puzzling.

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Minsk   United States. Jan 31 2015 22:43. Posts 1558

I have no idea why Thales wants to dirty box with Boestsch. He might even be a favorite in that game, but its also the only way he can lose.


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 22:47. Posts 12696

Poor fight IQ by Tim Boetsch. Too bad too, cuz he was gonna be up 2-0 if he didn't get subbed; probably would've got a TKO in round 3.

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Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 31 2015 23:51. Posts 4742

Hmm, the white guy won, right? Judges just being newbs? He won 2 rounds, and the black guy just won one?

I'm really tired, but pretty sure the guy in blue shorts won.


PuertoRican   United States. Jan 31 2015 23:53. Posts 12696

For Gastelum vs. Woodley, I had:

Round 1: dunno, I watched it but nothing stood out. Woodley landed 11 strikes, Gastelum landed 4.
Round 2: Woodley
Round 3: Gastelum

30-27 by that one judge was retarded.

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Minsk   United States. Jan 31 2015 23:55. Posts 1558

That fight sucked. Fucker "doesn't want to knock somebody out everytime"...............................................


drone666   Brasil. Feb 01 2015 00:05. Posts 1803

Silva by KO/TKO @ -140 lol
insane price

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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 01 2015 00:10. Posts 12696

Diaz bringing the entertainment to the fight... :D

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whamm!   Albania. Feb 01 2015 00:11. Posts 11625

my stream is shit. what's happening?


drone666   Brasil. Feb 01 2015 00:11. Posts 1803

http://tv.fightcreature.com/stream/ch1.html

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ERASA   Germany. Feb 01 2015 00:16. Posts 2440

Funny fight.. lol


drone666   Brasil. Feb 01 2015 00:18. Posts 1803

Doria the worst corner ever

Silva looking like crap

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Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 01 2015 00:28. Posts 7079

I guess with 1-2y layoffs a sparring match was to be expected.

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whamm!   Albania. Feb 01 2015 00:34. Posts 11625

my internet just fucked up the whole fight. whats happening so far?


PuertoRican   United States. Feb 01 2015 00:35. Posts 12696

Looks like Diaz showed up for one final paycheck.

The prelims > main card.

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ERASA   Germany. Feb 01 2015 00:35. Posts 2440

Went from funny to boring quite fast...


NotSorry   United States. Feb 01 2015 00:35. Posts 2603

Didn't feel like I was watching "elite" level strikers here, seemed more in line with a middle card fight on a regional kickboxing show. Hopefully it's just the result of the long time they both spent out of the cage and will be worked off before their next fights.

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Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 01 2015 00:37. Posts 7079

Anderson vs Rampage please.

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 01 2015 00:38. Posts 33969

Holy crap and he drops to the floor and weeps like a child, I was definitely underestimating the mental toll his 2 losses and injury had on Silva

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2primenumbers   United States. Feb 01 2015 00:40. Posts 199

Silva loss?

Daaaang

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Raidern   Brasil. Feb 01 2015 00:41. Posts 4242

Ye i dont know what to think about the fight with both fighters coming from a long layoff but silva should retire. He has nothing to gain in this comeback. No one is #1 forever.

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Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 01 2015 00:42. Posts 7079

To be sure Nick won every round.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo 

JonnyCosMo   United States. Feb 01 2015 00:45. Posts 7292

That was a dumb fight to watch.

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 01 2015 00:45. Posts 33969


  On January 31 2015 23:41 Raidern wrote:
Ye i dont know what to think about the fight with both fighters coming from a long layoff but silva should retire. He has nothing to gain in this comeback. No one is #1 forever.



Didnt you see his reaction winning the fight? he obviously needed this

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NotSorry   United States. Feb 01 2015 00:46. Posts 2603

forums blowing up, oh the rage

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Big_Rob_isback   United States. Feb 01 2015 00:48. Posts 209


  On January 31 2015 23:42 Nazgul wrote:
To be sure Nick won every round.



Wait, what?

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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 01 2015 00:53. Posts 12696




Anyway, Miesha Tate winning was nice. I lost my other bets, though.

I won $15 on DraftKings, nothing on Kountermove. Too bad Brandao/Hettes didn't happen.

The next UFC event is in 2 weeks. Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson is injured, so he won't be in the main event versus Brandon Thatch. No replacement has been named yet.

----------

Dana White is making John Lineker go up to bantamweight, and he acknowledged this during the post-fight press conference and was okay with it. Dana also said Kelvin Gastelum is a middleweight now, since he missed weight again; Kelvin wasn't at the post-fight press conference.

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northsails   Bulgaria. Feb 01 2015 07:33. Posts 410

Well, I don't think Silva looked bad tbh. He still enjoyed good speed advantage over Diaz and won the fight with better movement.
The fight was entertaining in the first rounds. Diaz antics had me loling. After the second one it was more like a sparring match. Again LOL at Diaz low kicks ( I think that there is something coming from the Condit fight, where He was complaining that he lost because Condit landed the "baby kicks" and LOL that he thought that he won the fight again.

If you watch Anderson fights, He just never leads in the exchanges. He throws different kicks and taunts his opponents so they get frustrated and attack him, so he can counter them. His fights with Maia and Leites are perfect examples what happens if his opponent is not engaging him. Diaz had a good gameplan, He refused to lead and taunted Anderson so He can frustrate him and turn the fight into a brawl with Anderson leading the attack. Didn't happen though and Silva just kept his movement and picked him apart. If he doesn't retire I would like to see him against Bisping and I think Anderson is going to destroy him, or maybe fight with GSP.

Also I think Lawler - Diaz is going to be amazing fight. Too bad I don't see how they can make it happen.


NMcNasty    United States. Feb 01 2015 09:33. Posts 2039

Seemed like Anderson was struggling with the temptation to out-taunt Diaz all fight. I gotta give him some credit for keeping his cool and sticking to a solid gameplan. Also he had pretty decent cardio for an older guy.


Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 01 2015 10:44. Posts 4742


  On January 31 2015 23:41 Raidern wrote:
Ye i dont know what to think about the fight with both fighters coming from a long layoff but silva should retire. He has nothing to gain in this comeback. No one is #1 forever.



He probably earns an absurd amount of money, if he takes some more fights though.


Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 01 2015 10:46. Posts 4742


  On February 01 2015 08:33 NMcNasty wrote:
Also he had pretty decent cardio for an older guy.



Was really impressed by his movements, kinda confused, so much talk a bout Diaz having godlike Cardio, but he spends so little energy, almost standing still most of the time, or slowly walking forward or backward. After the fight, seems like he's got tons of energy left. Weird that he doesn't push himself to his limit, and see how that goes.


gebbstet   Sweden. Feb 01 2015 10:53. Posts 391

My first time ever not betting favourites, to bad boetsch got choked out.
Risk To Win Paid
$5.00 $6.25 $11.25 Win 1/31/15 10:00pm UFC Fighting 1402 Thiago Alves +125* vs Jordan Mein
$4.00 $25.20 $0.00 Loss 1/31/15 11:59pm Props Fighting 1005 Diaz wins inside distance +630* vs Not Diaz inside distance
$8.00 $16.40 $24.40 Win 1/31/15 8:30pm UFC Fighting 1702 John Lineker +205* vs Ian McCall
$5.00 $8.75 $13.75 Win 1/31/15 9:30pm UFC Fighting 1501 Miesha Tate +175* vs Sara McMann
$10.00 $35.00 $0.00 Loss 1/31/15 10:30pm UFC Fighting 1302 Tim Boetsch +350* vs Thales Leites

 Last edit: 01/02/2015 10:55

Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 01 2015 11:04. Posts 7079

Definitely still some huge matches out there for Anderson. If he's not climbing the ladder then matches with Rashad/Rampage/GSP would be huge events. If he's going after a title shot tons of other cool matchups like Bisping/Mousasi which could lead to Weidman again.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 01 2015 13:47. Posts 9629

If he wants to leave a really strong legacy he should retire right now.
If he wants to print loads of moneys he should finish his contract, although I doubt he would be in any bad financial state in the next two decades at least


Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 01 2015 15:01. Posts 7079

I think in Anderson's case there's still the possibility to combine the two. He's not just going to go down losing to every competitor.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 01 2015 17:26. Posts 9629

You re most likely right, I just felt kind of sorry for the guy when he won and started crying, like as if Weidman took a part of his soul or something :/


2primenumbers   United States. Feb 01 2015 18:15. Posts 199

A G.O.A.T. like Anderson ought to be ble to retire with 100 mil in the bank seeing as how much money he's brought in with the promoters/UFC itself and all.

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Minsk   United States. Feb 02 2015 01:32. Posts 1558


  On February 01 2015 17:15 2primenumbers wrote:
A G.O.A.T. like Anderson ought to be ble to retire with 100 mil in the bank seeing as how much money he's brought in with the promoters/UFC itself and all.



Go pay him.


Minsk   United States. Feb 02 2015 01:37. Posts 1558

Knew my Diaz bet was bad, bad bad bad. Made it like 6 months ago, the realized it was rigged.

Maybe it wasn't rigged by contact, but that fight was certainly rigged.


Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 02 2015 08:08. Posts 7079

Why?

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo 

Minsk   United States. Feb 02 2015 11:06. Posts 1558

I only saw one fighter trying to win that fight, the other one was laying down and stuff.

For the money. They did it for the money.

 Last edit: 02/02/2015 11:09

PuertoRican   United States. Feb 02 2015 16:38. Posts 12696

UFC 183 payouts and salaries:

Anderson Silva: $800,000 ($600,000 to show, $200,000 to win)
Nick Diaz: $500,000
Silva def. Diaz via unanimous decision

Tyron Woodley: $139,000 ($65,000 to show, $65,000 to win, and $9,000 penalty from Gastelum)
Kelvin Gastelum: $30,000 (Given $21,000 after penalty)
Woodley def. Gastelum via split decision

Al Iaquinta: $36,000 ($18,000 to show, $18,000 to win)
Joe Lauzon: $36,000
Iaquinta def. Lauzon via technical knockout

Thales Leites: $48,000 ($24,000 to show, $24,000 to win)
Tim Boetsch: $52,000
Leites def. Boetsch via submission

Miesha Tate: $76,000 ($38,000 to show, $38,000 to win)
Sara McMann: $25,000
Tate def. McMann via majority decision

Derek Brunson: $50,000 ($25,000 to show, $25,00 to win)
Ed Herman: $47,000
Brunson def. Herman via technical knockout

John Lineker: $35,700 ($14,700 to show including penalty for not making weight, $21,000 to win)
Ian McCall: $22,300
Lineker def. McCall via unanimous decision

Rafael Natal: $58,000 ($29,000 to show, $29,000 to win)
Tom Watson: $16,000
Natal def. Watson via unanimous decision

Diego Brando: $24,000
Jim Hettes: $16,000
Bout was scrapped due to Hettes' illness, but both men received show money

Ildemar Alcantara: $32,000 ($16,000 to show, $16,000 to win)
Richardson Moreira: $8,000
Alcantara def. Moreira via split decision

Thiago Santos: $26,000 ($13,000 to show, $13,000 to win)
Andy Enz: $8,000
Santos def. Enz via technical knockout

The total disclosed payroll for UFC 183 was $2.08 million.

Keep in mind the salaries listed above do not include fight bonuses, sponsorships, percentages and other unofficial payments. It also does not include deductions for expenses such as insurance, taxes, etc.

For example, the promotion often hands out extra cash for "Fight of the Night" and "Performance of the Night" bonuses.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 02 2015 18:08. Posts 9629

500k for Diaz WWHAAAAAAAAAT


Raidern   Brasil. Feb 02 2015 21:37. Posts 4242

How much did alvez make?

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Floofy   Canada. Feb 02 2015 21:44. Posts 8704

interesting how in UFC 182, Jones only got 500K (way less than silva) and cormier only got 90K (WAY LESS than diaz)

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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 02 2015 21:59. Posts 12696


  On February 02 2015 20:37 Raidern wrote:
How much did alvez make?



Here's the an updated list.

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The total disclosed payroll was $2,142,000.

The full UFC 183 payouts included:

Anderson Silva: $800,000 (includes $200,000 win bonus)
def. Nick Diaz: $500,000

Tyron Woodley: $139,000 (includes $65,000 win bonus)*
def. Kelvin Gastelum: $21,000*

Al Iaquinta: $36,000 (includes $18,000 win bonus)
def. Joe Lauzon: $36,000

Thales Leites: $48,000 (includes $24,000 win bonus)
def. Tim Boetsch: $52,000

Thiago Alves: $84,000 (includes $42,000 win bonus)
def. Jordan Mein: $22,000

Miesha Tate: $76,000 (includes $38,000 win bonus)
def. Sara McMann: $25,000

Derek Brunson: $50,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus)
def. Ed Herman: $47,000

John Lineker: $35,700 (includes $21,000 win bonus)+
def. Ian McCall: $22,300+

Rafael Natal: $58,000 (includes $29,000 win bonus)
def. Tom Watson: $16,000

Ildemar Alcantara: $32,000 (includes $16,000 win bonus)
def. Richardson Moreira: $8,000

Thiago “Marreta” Santos: $26,000 (includes $13,000 win bonus)
def. Andy Enz: $8,000

* – After missing weight Gastelum fined 30 percent of purse, which was awarded to Woodley
+ – After missing weight, Lineker fined 30 percent of purse, which was awarded to McCall

Now, the usual disclaimer: The figures do not include deductions for items such as insurance, licenses and taxes. Additionally, the figures do not include money paid by sponsors, which can oftentimes be a substantial portion of a fighter’s income. They also do not include any other “locker room” or special discretionary bonuses the UFC oftentimes pays. Additionally, they don’t include any pay-per-view revenue some top fighters receive.

For example, as previously reported, UFC officials handed out additional $50,000 UFC 183 bonuses to Boetsch (“Fight of the Night”), Alves (“Performance of the Night”) and Leites (“Fight of the Night” and “Performance of the Night,” for $100,000 total).

In other words, the above figures are simply base salaries reported to the commission and do not reflect entire compensation packages for the event.

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Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 03 2015 06:34. Posts 7079


  On February 02 2015 17:08 Spitfiree wrote:
500k for Diaz WWHAAAAAAAAAT


Too little?

This is pretty random guesswork but a conservative estimate would be that the UFC makes something like $35,000,000 to $50,000,000 in revenue off of a card like this. I certainly hope you don't think $500,000 for one of their biggest draws is too much. I also don't think Diaz made $500,000 he likely made several million with his PPV cut.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmoLast edit: 03/02/2015 07:47

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 03 2015 08:04. Posts 9629


  On February 03 2015 05:34 Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +


Too little?

This is pretty random guesswork but a conservative estimate would be that the UFC makes something like $35,000,000 to $50,000,000 in revenue off of a card like this. I certainly hope you don't think $500,000 for one of their biggest draws is too much. I also don't think Diaz made $500,000 he likely made several million with his PPV cut.


I'd say its pretty damn much, as Floofy said DC got 90k and JBJ 500k and they sold OVER 750,000 PPVs. Diaz is not that huge of a PR attraction for them to pay 500k wow, I would understand if tons of people watch the card just because of him, but i highly doubt that, its Silva that got people to watch the card.
Anyway what i mean is, Diaz is far less skilled than many other fights, and his story is too old for people to care => he doesn't deserve such big payment, not to mention he hasn't fought since GSP like 2 years ago
He has this sense that tells him he deserves a title, any title because of the things he s achieved, and he doesn't even understand how delusional he is :/

 Last edit: 03/02/2015 08:05

Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 03 2015 08:25. Posts 7079

  • Diaz was a huge reason for why people watched this card.
  • It makes no sense to compare base salary of fighters that are a part of the PPV cut.
  • DC might be on the end of his contract or in the middle of one and is worth a lot more than that now. Still DC is nowhere near as big of a draw as Diaz.
  • Diaz sat out for two years claiming retirement and as a result he was able to get a fair/better deal out of the UFC. Fighters have no negotiating power and Diaz' move was super risky.
  • You can't compare what these guys make with your own value of money either I get the feeling you just think $500,000 is a lot of money. It doesn't matter what it means to you.
  • Guaranteed all those guys make far more than $500,000 and are still heavily underpaid.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmoLast edit: 03/02/2015 08:25

PuertoRican   United States. Feb 03 2015 11:12. Posts 12696

Diaz was the reason I cared about the main event. Now that the fight is over, we can look back and see he was the reason the fight had any entertainment.

Anderson won, but he was moving backwards most of the time, and didn't initiate much offense aside from a couple clean body kicks. Even if Diaz threw more punches, he probably would've lost a split-decision.

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Feb 03 2015 17:06. Posts 7499


  On February 03 2015 05:34 Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +


Too little?

This is pretty random guesswork but a conservative estimate would be that the UFC makes something like $35,000,000 to $50,000,000 in revenue off of a card like this. I certainly hope you don't think $500,000 for one of their biggest draws is too much. I also don't think Diaz made $500,000 he likely made several million with his PPV cut.


Hm I think your numbers are prob way off on how much the UFC makes.

Let's say they did 550k PPV buys.

550k x 55 = 30,250,000

Cable PPV provider takes half right off the top.

15,125,000 + 4.5 million gate = 19,675,000

Then you add in sponsorship's etc. But I doubt those even cover things like advertising, arena fee's, hotel costs, flights,, commission costs etc.

I kinda doubt Diaz made several million for this fight. Huge stars like GSP & Silva were estimated to make roughly 5 million on cards where they sold almost a million PPVs. I kinda doubt Diaz will be making several million as the 2nd draw on a card that I doubt will break 600k ppvs.

My random guesstimations would be something like Diaz will walk away with slightly over a million, and Silva slightly over 3 million.

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NMcNasty    United States. Feb 03 2015 18:36. Posts 2039

500k is high by UFC standards but actually pretty low by professional athlete standards. Random nobodies in other major sports make 500k.


Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 03 2015 19:19. Posts 7079


  On February 03 2015 16:06 Stim_Abuser wrote:
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Hm I think your numbers are prob way off on how much the UFC makes.

Let's say they did 550k PPV buys.

550k x 55 = 30,250,000

Cable PPV provider takes half right off the top.

15,125,000 + 4.5 million gate = 19,675,000

Then you add in sponsorship's etc. But I doubt those even cover things like advertising, arena fee's, hotel costs, flights,, commission costs etc.

I kinda doubt Diaz made several million for this fight. Huge stars like GSP & Silva were estimated to make roughly 5 million on cards where they sold almost a million PPVs. I kinda doubt Diaz will be making several million as the 2nd draw on a card that I doubt will break 600k ppvs.

My random guesstimations would be something like Diaz will walk away with slightly over a million, and Silva slightly over 3 million.


By my account of revenue that includes the PPV cut for the cable provider so you'll easily make it that way. I know they pay a lot for that but it's still the UFC paying them and us paying the UFC.

I would be shocked if Diaz didn't make a huge amount for this. The whole situation just screams him getting an incredible deal.

The only serious negotiating power a UFC fighter has is retirement in his prime and that is what he did. Got a new agent too. Then he fought Anderson.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmoLast edit: 03/02/2015 19:21

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 03 2015 19:56. Posts 9629

Okay, I actually didn't quite make my point clear. Overall its natural that professional athletes make such amount of money considering they are probably the top 0,01% of all athletes that tried. Anyways thats not the point. I'd say Diaz is heavily overpaid @ UFC standards since the difference in salaries between people that would get just as much popularity, but are actually quite better fighters earn far less at least from the official report, but that is where my point loses value as I didn't how that the PPV cut matter that much, but you explained that Nazgul so I get it now :/


Minsk   United States. Feb 03 2015 19:58. Posts 1558

I can picture what his new agent said to him

"Nick Diaz, you should stop being hit in the face so much, you should be hit in the face less, and they should pay you more! Are you following me Nick Diaz?"

Then Nick Diaz's eyes lit up.

"Yes! I should be getting punched in the face less, and they should pay more!"

The lightbulb just turned on, it was the start of something special.

 Last edit: 03/02/2015 19:59

soberstone   United States. Feb 03 2015 21:01. Posts 2662

Breaking:

Silva popped for roids.

Diaz for weed (who cares)

 Last edit: 03/02/2015 21:02

Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 03 2015 21:10. Posts 7079

JESUS FUCK

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmo 

PuertoRican   United States. Feb 03 2015 21:20. Posts 12696

Sick.

Diaz gets $500k for his show-money and also gets his loss overturned due to Silva getting popped. However, I've never seen both fighters fail a test, so I can only assume this will be treated like other cases.

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Minsk   United States. Feb 03 2015 21:28. Posts 1558

Does that mean I get my money back??


Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 03 2015 22:45. Posts 4742

A reddit thread a bout it: http://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/...nderson_silva_and_nick_diaz_fail_ufc/


Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 03 2015 22:47. Posts 4742

apparently a guy tried to raise suspicion about Silva taking stuff years back, but got called a hater, and it kinda faded, not sure if it's true or not:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/threa...ilvas-Closet-SyringeGate/?&page=1


PuertoRican   United States. Feb 03 2015 23:00. Posts 12696




UFC 183: Blunt Trauma

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whamm!   Albania. Feb 03 2015 23:15. Posts 11625

seems like Silva fights worse when on roids


Baalim   Mexico. Feb 03 2015 23:37. Posts 33969

for fucks sake

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soberstone   United States. Feb 04 2015 00:48. Posts 2662


  On February 03 2015 22:15 whamm! wrote:
seems like Silva fights worse when on roids



Was never randomly tested vs Weidman. Was probably not clean for much of the time. Only a safe assumption. Once you are caught cheating, I have no faith that you ever didn't cheat and neither should anyone else.


PuertoRican   United States. Feb 04 2015 01:07. Posts 12696

I guess we know who the real GOAT is...


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cariadon   Estonia. Feb 04 2015 01:41. Posts 4015

can anyone find a gif to the spinning kick anderson threw and missed by a little bit ?


gryzzlybearr   Bulgaria. Feb 04 2015 07:14. Posts 129

I am a big Fedor fan and for me he has always been the GOAT.
Fedor was fighting 7 foot steroid monsters and was destroying them.
The first time when i realized how scary Fedor really was ,when i watched a Wanderlei interview at the time when Wanderlei was half human and half steroid monster.The reporter asked him would you like to fight Fedor and Wanderlei was like ''no,no'' .And i was shocked. Wanderlei was not scared of anybody,he would go in the cage with anybody pumped with steroids except for Fedor.OMG


whamm!   Albania. Feb 04 2015 08:07. Posts 11625

Fedor made Kettlebell, battleropes and sledgehammer workouts acceptable forms of training. Respect.


northsails   Bulgaria. Feb 04 2015 11:53. Posts 410

So the test is from 9th January and the results are released after the fight? Yeah right.

Not really suprised with Silva's failed test. He looked in great shape coming back from such a serious injury. It is obvious that 90%+ of the fighters are on some form of PEDs. The low T/E ratios of Jones and Cormier is not some strange coincidence. It will be better if there is no testing ( like in PRIDE).

The comission really is a joke and Diaz is going to get buried for this failed test. The last time was 30% of the purse and 1 year suspension, so now I expect it to be even worse.


traxamillion   United States. Feb 04 2015 12:31. Posts 10468

wait why would diaz get slammed? He didn't use a performance enhancing drug Silva did. I would think the fight would get overturned and they would take silva's win money if possible and give it to Diaz. Who cares about weed lol? Diaz is from California isn't he. I'm sure he is scripted dunno if that means anything to a fighting commission though.

Recreational drugs should not matter obviously in drug tests

Steroids are debatable. Since the rules are you couldn't use them for this competition then Silva should be punished for using them. Fact is however that basically all pro fighters inject testosterone or if you don't believe that then most do at least some steroid. It should probably just be allowed who cares be the best you can be.


traxamillion   United States. Feb 04 2015 12:35. Posts 10468

wow man this link you posted is great from 2011

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/threa...ilvas-Closet-SyringeGate/?&page=1

Someone spotted a box of syringes in Silva's closet on "UFC Cribs"

if thats not a red flag i dunno what is


soberstone   United States. Feb 04 2015 14:25. Posts 2662

Looking back on it it's so obvious... Silva totally has the juicers head-inflation. His noggin is blatantly bowling-ballish these days.


PuertoRican   United States. Feb 04 2015 15:24. Posts 12696

Daniel Cormier also popped hot for PEDs.

+ Show Spoiler +

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 04 2015 16:13. Posts 9629


  On February 04 2015 11:31 traxamillion wrote:
wait why would diaz get slammed?


why wouldnt they both get slammed?
what should and shouldn't be are two different things, the fact is there are rules, they both broke them, they should both suffer the consequences

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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 04 2015 17:13. Posts 12696


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WhyYouKickMyDog   United States. Feb 04 2015 18:38. Posts 1623


  On February 04 2015 15:13 Spitfiree wrote:
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why wouldnt they both get slammed?
what should and shouldn't be are two different things, the fact is there are rules, they both broke them, they should both suffer the consequences


because breaking serious rules is a good reason to slam someone.
breaking extremely fucking dumb rules is not.


Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 04 2015 18:49. Posts 9629

obviously the weed rule is retarded as fuck
that being said, you are a professional athlete that signed a specific contract with specific clause which consists of not smoking the weed, you agree to those terms in order to earn the money they give you otherwise there are penalties
is the clause dumb as fuck? yes
should it be changed? yes
did you sign it ? yes
do you deserve to get fined ? yes


tomson    Poland. Feb 04 2015 19:21. Posts 1982

I'm surprised people are surprised. I'd assume everyone without exception competing at that level is on some sort of drug/steroid, am I wrong?

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NMcNasty    United States. Feb 04 2015 20:11. Posts 2039


  On February 04 2015 18:21 tomson wrote:
I'm surprised people are surprised. I'd assume everyone without exception competing at that level is on some sort of drug/steroid, am I wrong?



I honestly have no idea. I'd say its anywhere between 5% and 95%. I mean so many fighters don't look like they're on roids and have never had any sort of controversy with any sort of PED, so I feel like we should give them the benefit of the doubt. If I had to guess, pulling a number completely out of my ass, I'd say 50% of fighters on the UFC active roster used roids at some point in their lives and 20% or so did it in the last couple years. I mean the fact that fighters think you can actually get away with sort of thing means that they probably see a lot of others getting away with it and then just ask "why can't I?" But then again maybe they're just being incredibly dumb like Nick Diaz failing multiple drug tests for weed.


Mariuslol   Norway. Feb 04 2015 20:21. Posts 4742

I'm surprised people are surprised about people being surprised!!


Daut    United States. Feb 04 2015 20:48. Posts 8950

if you were an up and coming fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a middling fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were an older fighter trying to stay competitive, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a champion facing challengers who are all on roids, why wouldnt you use them too?

i think it comes down to a few things.
1) using roids is not bad for you when done correctly. in fact it may improve overall health
2) everyone else is using them
3) it helps you recover faster, train harder and makes you a better fighter
4) the rewards outweigh the risks, and most people get away with it

i assume almost everyone is on them, unless they are either too poor to get the right roids or have some ethical or moral qualms with using and consider it cheating. i wonder why im not on them myself really. but id like more research done before i jump into using something i dont need.

there are a few guys that would shock me to find out if they ever used. machida, bj penn, brian stann, a few others, i just dont believe they ever used.

some examples of guys id assume used, or would bet on having used at 1:1 if it was somehow verifiable
-fedor is from russia and fought in pride, an organization that not only did not test for steroids, but encouraged their use.
-gsp was the richest fighter for years and probably on the forefront of whatever drugs were available at the time.
-jones T/E levels were absurd to the point that i dont believe theres another explanation besides roid usage
-anderson was just caught and the still frame of the syringes in his bathroom are another indicator of past use
-all of the pride GOATs likely used
-randy obviously used for years, probably HGH/TRT since he had so much more money than everyone else early on.

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traxamillion   United States. Feb 04 2015 21:08. Posts 10468


  On February 04 2015 17:38 WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:
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because breaking serious rules is a good reason to slam someone.
breaking extremely fucking dumb rules is not.



this


Raidern   Brasil. Feb 04 2015 21:10. Posts 4242

i dont care about it at all
i dunno if its because i stopped caring about mma a while ago or if its because i think peds should be allowed at once
still imt not shocked or disappointed or anything like that. silva could have retired without that * on his career thou

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traxamillion   United States. Feb 04 2015 21:27. Posts 10468


  On February 04 2015 18:21 tomson wrote:
I'm surprised people are surprised. I'd assume everyone without exception competing at that level is on some sort of drug/steroid, am I wrong?



you aren't wrong, chuck lidell and his gym crew would party with my fraternity back in san luis obispo like ten years ago and do tons of cocaine but i never heard much about roids. Later i've met more fighters trying to do the UFC thing and from what i've seen most guys do at least something. whether it is just an injection of un esterified testosterone suspension right before a fight for a boost (undetectable in less than a day if not hours) or full blown cycling regularly most fighters do something at some point. look at the prevalence in other sports like baseball or cycling. of course fighting is just as bad or worse.

also apparently anderson was using a pretty noob prohormone as part of his cycle


WhyYouKickMyDog   United States. Feb 04 2015 22:24. Posts 1623


  On February 04 2015 17:49 Spitfiree wrote:
obviously the weed rule is retarded as fuck
that being said, you are a professional athlete that signed a specific contract with specific clause which consists of not smoking the weed, you agree to those terms in order to earn the money they give you otherwise there are penalties
is the clause dumb as fuck? yes
should it be changed? yes
did you sign it ? yes
do you deserve to get fined ? yes



you asked "why wouldn't they both get slammed?"
i took your softball question and knocked it out of the park with the obvious correct answer. what is all this other stuff you're going on about? was that directed at me for some reason?

but ill address what you said anyways...
"do you deserve to get fined?" NO.
should you get fined? yes, because selective enforcement can lead to unfair treatment and favoritism, and because one of the best ways to get a dumb rule changed is to strictly enforce it. but he doesn't "deserve" the fine, the fine should only be imposed as a means to an end - diaz is just a victim in this situation, and deserves to be applauded for not being a pussy and following dumb rules just because they're rules.

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WhyYouKickMyDog   United States. Feb 04 2015 22:32. Posts 1623

he signed it because he had 2 options: sign it, or not make any money. he didn't sign it because he agrees with it. if you sign something because you actually agree with it and its intent, and then go back on it, then you would deserve the punishment. but thats not the case here. he has explicitly stated hes going to defy these rules repeatedly, and lobbied to get them changed, so that makes entirely undeserving of any punishment or public shaming.


PuertoRican   United States. Feb 04 2015 23:48. Posts 12696


  On February 04 2015 20:10 Raidern wrote:
i dont care about it at all
i dunno if its because i stopped caring about mma a while ago or if its because i think peds should be allowed at once
still imt not shocked or disappointed or anything like that. silva could have retired without that * on his career thou



You've said this multiple times, in multiple UFC threads, yet you continue to view and post in these threads. MMA might not be as appealing to you as it once was, but stop kidding yourself; you do care about MMA.

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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 05 2015 02:01. Posts 33969


  On February 04 2015 19:48 Daut wrote:
there are a few guys that would shock me to find out if they ever used. machida, bj penn, brian stann, a few others, i just dont believe they ever used.

some examples of guys id assume used, or would bet on having used at 1:1 if it was somehow verifiable
-fedor is from russia and fought in pride, an organization that not only did not test for steroids, but encouraged their use.




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Baalim   Mexico. Feb 05 2015 02:03. Posts 33969

Fuck off Daut... now I feel like im wasting my time exercising... give me some roids!!!

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Feb 05 2015 03:59. Posts 9629


  On February 04 2015 21:24 WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:
"do you deserve to get fined?" NO.
should you get fined? yes, .


Yeah, you're right ^_^

Anyways yeah it's not surprising that he was on roids, its just came off in such a way cause most people still believe that the best of the best would never "cheat" to achieve greatness


Raidern   Brasil. Feb 05 2015 14:51. Posts 4242


  On February 04 2015 22:48 PuertoRican wrote:
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You've said this multiple times, in multiple UFC threads, yet you continue to view and post in these threads. MMA might not be as appealing to you as it once was, but stop kidding yourself; you do care about MMA.


=]
i obviously enjoy watching it (mostly main events or fights that seem appealing to me) and like to see what people are commenting about what's going on, what i meant with not caring might sound weird to you, but i used to check sherdog and portaldovt (brazilian forum) countless times a day to check news and would get upset if X or Z lost a fight. This doesnt happen anymore. I take it as entertaining but still like to check news occasionally and will probably never stop reading your threads and commenting on them on LP unless you stop creating them. But ye i'll stop emphasizing that i dont care. If you noticed i've been posting the same thing on different threads then it's because i'm probably overdoing it lol

-edit: baals gif post is hilarious lmao

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[GiTM]-Ace   United States. Feb 05 2015 15:01. Posts 1584


  On February 04 2015 21:32 WhyYouKickMyDog wrote:
he signed it because he had 2 options: sign it, or not make any money. he didn't sign it because he agrees with it. if you sign something because you actually agree with it and its intent, and then go back on it, then you would deserve the punishment. but thats not the case here. he has explicitly stated hes going to defy these rules repeatedly, and lobbied to get them changed, so that makes entirely undeserving of any punishment or public shaming.



i disagree with you. If your employer bans something and you dont agree with it u find a new employer. I think enough people not agreeing and not fighting would get the rule changed. not breaking it cause u dont agree with it.

But i guess that might be unrealistic since people need their money.. but thats just the way it is.

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WhyYouKickMyDog   United States. Feb 05 2015 18:43. Posts 1623


  On February 05 2015 14:01 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
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i disagree with you. If your employer bans something and you dont agree with it u find a new employer. I think enough people not agreeing and not fighting would get the rule changed. not breaking it cause u dont agree with it.

But i guess that might be unrealistic since people need their money.. but thats just the way it is.


I think we basically agree. In a perfect world, you're right. But in reality, its just too unrealistic to expect people to give up money in fighting this cause, especially since it wouldn't be an effective tactic unless everyone else does it too.


Nazgul    Netherlands. Feb 05 2015 19:19. Posts 7079


  On February 04 2015 19:48 Daut wrote:
if you were an up and coming fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a middling fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were an older fighter trying to stay competitive, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a champion facing challengers who are all on roids, why wouldnt you use them too?

i think it comes down to a few things.
1) using roids is not bad for you when done correctly. in fact it may improve overall health
2) everyone else is using them
3) it helps you recover faster, train harder and makes you a better fighter
4) the rewards outweigh the risks, and most people get away with it

i assume almost everyone is on them, unless they are either too poor to get the right roids or have some ethical or moral qualms with using and consider it cheating. i wonder why im not on them myself really. but id like more research done before i jump into using something i dont need.

there are a few guys that would shock me to find out if they ever used. machida, bj penn, brian stann, a few others, i just dont believe they ever used.

some examples of guys id assume used, or would bet on having used at 1:1 if it was somehow verifiable
-fedor is from russia and fought in pride, an organization that not only did not test for steroids, but encouraged their use.
-gsp was the richest fighter for years and probably on the forefront of whatever drugs were available at the time.
-jones T/E levels were absurd to the point that i dont believe theres another explanation besides roid usage
-anderson was just caught and the still frame of the syringes in his bathroom are another indicator of past use
-all of the pride GOATs likely used
-randy obviously used for years, probably HGH/TRT since he had so much more money than everyone else early on.


Fedor was a sambo champion at the height of his career and an olympic judo alternate. It's dumb to lump him in so easily with the pride argument without mentioning that he likely has gone through more testing in his career than most fighters in the UFC do now. He also looked nothing like a steroid user. Pride still had a ton of steroid abuse, UFC fighters still use them while being tested, looks aren't everything, Armstrong was tested plenty, but your approach to Fedor bringing it all down to the reasoning of fighting in pride is just so lazy. I have a hard time believing GSP was on steroids considering everything he has said the past few years. He would basically have to be a multitude more psychotic than Armstrong which I just have no reason to believe he is at all. Besides aliens. Both may or may not have been on steroids but they have plenty speaking in favor of them compared to most unlike your dumb post suggests.


  On February 04 2015 15:13 Spitfiree wrote:
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why wouldnt they both get slammed?
what should and shouldn't be are two different things, the fact is there are rules, they both broke them, they should both suffer the consequences

Generally breaking rules is looked down upon for ethical reasons because rules are supposed to represent our ethical standards. However breaking rules is not always ethically questionable. You have to be able to differentiate between the two situations. Even when breaking rules is ethically questionable it is almost rarely the same. Think of stealing candy versus armed robbery. The situation of Diaz and Anderson just isn't equal.

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traxamillion   United States. Feb 05 2015 19:31. Posts 10468


  On February 05 2015 14:01 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
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i disagree with you. If your employer bans something and you dont agree with it u find a new employer. I think enough people not agreeing and not fighting would get the rule changed. not breaking it cause u dont agree with it.

But i guess that might be unrealistic since people need their money.. but thats just the way it is.


extremely unrealistic take on this. I hated my last employer they screwed me regularly; still didn't mean i could simply walk out without suffering bad consequences


iakim322   United States. Feb 05 2015 21:26. Posts 1335


  On February 05 2015 14:01 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
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i disagree with you. If your employer bans something and you dont agree with it u find a new employer. I think enough people not agreeing and not fighting would get the rule changed. not breaking it cause u dont agree with it.

But i guess that might be unrealistic since people need their money.. but thats just the way it is.


This is such an incredibly naive and shortsighted concept to apply to anything or anyone in life really. And so I'm not sure how you could possibly bring it up in relation to professional fighters where their time frame to collect money in their lives, athletic prime, is so relatively short compared to other careers. Not to mention that their options are actually limited in a realistic sense. Can't really counter by saying a high level fighter should stand up for his beliefs and go toil away at some organization like king of the cage or some bullshit because hey, they're in agreement in general philosophies.


iakim322   United States. Feb 05 2015 21:48. Posts 1335


  On February 05 2015 18:19 Nazgul wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 04 2015 19:48 Daut wrote:
if you were an up and coming fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a middling fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were an older fighter trying to stay competitive, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a champion facing challengers who are all on roids, why wouldnt you use them too?

i think it comes down to a few things.
1) using roids is not bad for you when done correctly. in fact it may improve overall health
2) everyone else is using them
3) it helps you recover faster, train harder and makes you a better fighter
4) the rewards outweigh the risks, and most people get away with it

i assume almost everyone is on them, unless they are either too poor to get the right roids or have some ethical or moral qualms with using and consider it cheating. i wonder why im not on them myself really. but id like more research done before i jump into using something i dont need.

there are a few guys that would shock me to find out if they ever used. machida, bj penn, brian stann, a few others, i just dont believe they ever used.

some examples of guys id assume used, or would bet on having used at 1:1 if it was somehow verifiable
-fedor is from russia and fought in pride, an organization that not only did not test for steroids, but encouraged their use.
-gsp was the richest fighter for years and probably on the forefront of whatever drugs were available at the time.
-jones T/E levels were absurd to the point that i dont believe theres another explanation besides roid usage
-anderson was just caught and the still frame of the syringes in his bathroom are another indicator of past use
-all of the pride GOATs likely used
-randy obviously used for years, probably HGH/TRT since he had so much more money than everyone else early on.

Fedor was a sambo champion at the height of his career and an olympic judo alternate. It's dumb to lump him in so easily with the pride argument without mentioning that he likely has gone through more testing in his career than most fighters in the UFC do now. He also looked nothing like a steroid user. Pride still had a ton of steroid abuse, UFC fighters still use them while being tested, looks aren't everything, Armstrong was tested plenty, but your approach to Fedor bringing it all down to the reasoning of fighting in pride is just so lazy. I have a hard time believing GSP was on steroids considering everything he has said the past few years. He would basically have to be a multitude more psychotic than Armstrong which I just have no reason to believe he is at all. Besides aliens. Both may or may not have been on steroids but they have plenty speaking in favor of them compared to most unlike your dumb post suggests.




I think it was stupid that the best link made in the post for GSP having done PED's was that he was 'the richest fighter for years.' But I definitely don't think he has to be some crazy psycho to have said what he said while he was himself a user. And comparing him in a worse light (if he was guilty) to Lance...well I don't think you've really read enough about Lance. Lance's lies went on for so long...repeated in so many conversations/interviews/everything forever...implicated/ruined the reputation/career of others around him so he could keep up his national hero stature....on a much much larger, multi-national scale than a fighter in MMA, even GSP, lying about steroids.

As for Fedor...obviously could never say for sure but that guy might be the one guy where you could say an eye test could be accurate. I'd just have to believe that if he were taking steroids of any form throughout his career, his body would've developed a bulging muscle here or there. At least one...anywhere. As it was, he was wrecking guys with the physique of some hillbilly coal miner



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iakim322   United States. Feb 05 2015 22:11. Posts 1335

Brian Stann would've been #1 on my list for shock if they had been caught. I think he is the real one where he'd have to have been psychopathic. The intensity and passion in his voice when he speaks out against PED's...I feel it's just different. He also backed it up by retiring asap after losing violently to an obvious roidhead, Wanderlei...also different because he's not rich like GSP, who's retirement was pretty convenient in many ways (not implying all bad). Then there's the fact that he was awarded a silver star for a five day firefight in Iraq...a fact that he could've beaten the public's head with over and over again to get a higher profile yet it was really the announcers/promotion that pushed that angle. He actually always seemed reticent to even talk about it. That has to count for something when judging the character of someone for 'cheating.'

Other than him, BJ for obvious reasons. And maybe I'm biased but the day Nick pisses for anything but a lot of green shit, I'd be pretty shocked


nicksson   Sweden. Feb 05 2015 22:13. Posts 4662

I can vouch for Fedor, no steroids


whamm!   Albania. Feb 05 2015 23:41. Posts 11625

Russian made roids make you fat. Crocop was probably using imported ones


Daut    United States. Feb 06 2015 00:08. Posts 8950

people ITT say fedor was not on roids because of physique, then say GSP was also not on roids.



clearly its different %s for everyone. im about 100% sure on randy/anderson/wanderlei/etc. its much closer to 50/50 with fedor/gsp, but i would still bet on them using at some point if it was somehow verifiable.

dunno why everyone is so fervently defending fedor. an undersized guy who was by far the best fighter in an organization where everyone was allowed to roid, and nobody thinks he ever used?

and same for GSP. in a stacked division full of killers, he was the fittest and most athletic and outfought all of them for years. i dunno, i just think its more likely he did something than otherwise. def not 100% on either guy, but to be shocked or surprised if people think they more than likely did seems harsh.

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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 06 2015 00:16. Posts 12696

Overeem was on steroids and Josh Barnett was on steroids. One is ripped as fuck while the other one has always been a "fat." Not all steroids make you look like a Greek god.

No idea if Fedor ever used steroids, what I care about is that he didn't get caught. P4P best piss test taker~

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whamm!   Albania. Feb 06 2015 01:09. Posts 11625


*Pacquiao - 40lbs of pure muscle since starting out his pro career?!?
*Marquez - mustve taken a triple dose vs Pac, KOs him in the 2nd and that nasty last one, has skin breakouts, huge ass neck too.

All these superhero physique guysalso, fuckin Cuba)



People talk about being an Olympian as if it's some kind of pass lolol olympians are the worst imo(Coleman, randleman etc etc)


whamm!   Albania. Feb 06 2015 04:26. Posts 11625

those three guys could fight each other, and they belong in three differrent weight classes, weight cutting is so bullshit it needs to be revamped


PuertoRican   United States. Feb 06 2015 05:34. Posts 12696

Those 3 are also short as fuck when compared to other people in their weight class.

Yoel Romero (5'10) started as a light heavyweight, and now fights at middleweight. He'd still do okay against some of the top 10 at light heavyweight, but he wouldn't be able to crush the top 3, imo.

Hector Lombard (5'9) is a former middleweight, and now fights at welterweight. He was forced to move down by the UFC, or else they were gonna cut him. He was losing because of his size at middleweight (1-2).

Thiago Alves (5'9) is a welterweight, and he'd get crushed if he fought at middleweight. Also, he's always injured and his cardio isn't that great in the 3rd round.

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Stim_Abuser   United States. Feb 06 2015 10:47. Posts 7499


  On February 05 2015 23:08 Daut wrote:
people ITT say fedor was not on roids because of physique, then say GSP was also not on roids.



clearly its different %s for everyone. im about 100% sure on randy/anderson/wanderlei/etc. its much closer to 50/50 with fedor/gsp, but i would still bet on them using at some point if it was somehow verifiable.

dunno why everyone is so fervently defending fedor. an undersized guy who was by far the best fighter in an organization where everyone was allowed to roid, and nobody thinks he ever used?

and same for GSP. in a stacked division full of killers, he was the fittest and most athletic and outfought all of them for years. i dunno, i just think its more likely he did something than otherwise. def not 100% on either guy, but to be shocked or surprised if people think they more than likely did seems harsh.



Sylvia, Josh Barnett, Royce, Bigfoot, Leben, Sean McCorkle. That's just off the top of my head with fighters who were on roids that didn't have impressive physiques. It's super common at HW especially. These guys aren't just lifting super heavy weights like normal huge guys on roids.

I'd kinda bet on Fedor being off roids because he came from absolutely nothing. Some random shithole russian town in some random shitty gym that looked poor as shit. They did conditioning at playgrounds and their gym looked like some abandoned room from chernobyl. I think it's less likely he had access to good drugs at the beginning of his career where he looked as good as he ever did than say a GSP/Aldo. That said I literally have no idea how hard it is to have access to the good drugs.

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cariadon   Estonia. Feb 06 2015 13:47. Posts 4015


  On February 04 2015 19:48 Daut wrote:
if you were an up and coming fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a middling fighter, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were an older fighter trying to stay competitive, why wouldnt you use roids?
if you were a champion facing challengers who are all on roids, why wouldnt you use them too?

i think it comes down to a few things.
2) everyone else is using them
3) it helps you recover faster, train harder and makes you a better fighter
4) the rewards outweigh the risks, and most people get away with it




I would just like to voice my opinion that this is disgusting garbage. I'm going to print it out and take a smelly hangover dump on said paper. What the fuck? You actually believe that shit or trolling ?


TianYuan    Korea (South). Feb 06 2015 13:52. Posts 6810


  On February 04 2015 18:21 tomson wrote:
I'm surprised people are surprised. I'd assume everyone without exception competing at that level is on some sort of drug/steroid, am I wrong?


Pretty sure you are right. I mean, maybe I wouldn't say without exception but enough that the surprise should be if someone isnt using anything rather than that they are.

Also, I find myself caring almost none at all that he was caught using.. Maybe it's because I'm not a super Silva fan (dont dislike him or anything and I think he is/was amazing, just no personal attachment... and I mean, after I saw Weidman has Starcraft 2 on his computer how can I not support him instead).

The arguments some people make that 'steroids are more serious in fighting cuz you're out there trying to hurt eachother' just rings hollow to me.. I'm pretty sure Dan Henderson was safer out there on TRT than without. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of matchups made constantly that are significantly more unsafe for one party, than the additional risks posed by someone being on the juice.

Anyhow, only thing that sucks it that it will tarnish his legacy a bit.


  On February 06 2015 12:47 cariadon wrote:
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I would just like to voice my opinion that this is disgusting garbage. I'm going to print it out and take a smelly hangover dump on said paper. What the fuck? You actually believe that shit or trolling ?

What's so wrong about this? I think it's pretty accurate... Personally I wouldn't use, but that's more of a personal choice and not really because I think it's cheating (it is cheating due to current rules, and so I wouldn't use them, but I think the current rules should possibly be changed, it just seems like fighting a losing battle). More because I vaguely distrust drugs not to change... I dont know, change something about who I am, and I like who I am

50 years from now, do you realistically think PEDs will still be banned? I think we'll look back at the ban as quaintly misguided...

I don't know, just feels inevitable.

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cariadon   Estonia. Feb 06 2015 17:33. Posts 4015

The moral compass is broken.
Pretty sure there is some logical fallacy at work with the line of "reasoning".


Daut    United States. Feb 06 2015 17:45. Posts 8950


  On February 06 2015 16:33 cariadon wrote:
The moral compass is broken.
Pretty sure there is some logical fallacy at work with the line of "reasoning".



im pro PED. i think its an arbitrary line in the sand. athletes are allowed to take supplements that mimic the effects of taking testosterone without actually being exogenous testosterone. if something can be done in a safe manner that helps people be the best version of themselves, i dont have a problem with them using it.

but it is against the rules in the UFC. im not saying i think fighters should break those rules and use, im just saying, if you were a fighter and put in a position where guys all around you are using and gaining a large competitive advantage, and you are falling behind them all, why wouldnt you do it if you believed it to be safe and effective? no matter where you are in your career, i think the rewards outweigh the risks.

i was actually pretty unfair to GSP and may rethink my 1:1 bet on him using at some point. he had a LOT to lose by being caught in a time period where almost nobody was caught. maybe he was just more athletic, faster and able to train harder than all the other guys who were using roids in his division. im not being snarky with that statement, it very well could be possible.

i just think its insane that most people believe fedor didnt use something at some point.



the best fighter in the organization that allows and encourages roid use, where everyone else is using, yet he never once did? was he even brought up in an anti-steroid atmosphere? it seems unbelievable that he would just shake his head no whenever offered when it wasnt against the rules. it wouldnt even be a knock on him, he was doing something that was allowed!




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PuertoRican   United States. Feb 06 2015 19:56. Posts 12696




NAC executive director Bob Bennett has decided to overturn Silva's victory. In light of the failed drugs test the bout result will now be changed to a no contest which could have massive financial repercussions for Silva.

Speaking to Brazilian newspaper Folha Bennett said :

'Yes, it will be ruled a NC (no contest). I don't know if he will receive the win bonus after this change. That's UFC's call, but a percentage of his purse will be held because of this episode.'

Too bad Diaz will be fined hard for smoking weed. This could've been the perfect result for him if he got to keep all $500k of his prize purse.

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cariadon   Estonia. Feb 06 2015 21:34. Posts 4015


  On February 06 2015 16:45 Daut wrote:
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im pro PED. i think its an arbitrary line in the sand. athletes are allowed to take supplements that mimic the effects of taking testosterone without actually being exogenous testosterone. if something can be done in a safe manner that helps people be the best version of themselves, i dont have a problem with them using it.

but it is against the rules in the UFC. im not saying i think fighters should break those rules and use, im just saying, if you were a fighter and put in a position where guys all around you are using and gaining a large competitive advantage, and you are falling behind them all, why wouldnt you do it if you believed it to be safe and effective? no matter where you are in your career, i think the rewards outweigh the risks.

i was actually pretty unfair to GSP and may rethink my 1:1 bet on him using at some point. he had a LOT to lose by being caught in a time period where almost nobody was caught. maybe he was just more athletic, faster and able to train harder than all the other guys who were using roids in his division. im not being snarky with that statement, it very well could be possible.

i just think its insane that most people believe fedor didnt use something at some point.



the best fighter in the organization that allows and encourages roid use, where everyone else is using, yet he never once did? was he even brought up in an anti-steroid atmosphere? it seems unbelievable that he would just shake his head no whenever offered when it wasnt against the rules. it wouldnt even be a knock on him, he was doing something that was allowed!







It is how you word it that makes me have a problem. Others being on PEDs and not getting caught isn't a valid reason or excuse to be using it. Not getting caught is the fault of testing. What should be allowed/disallowed, how often to test, punishment etc. can and should be regulated better.

What about when your career is over? Your choice will stick with you for life. If it is ok and you can live with that on your conscious, fine. It'd be interesting to guesstimate how many caught cheats truly, honestly regret their choice.

The elite fighters are really the best of the best. I believe one guy can dominate others in his weightclass as a combination of having everything going for you - genetics, not getting injured, etc and luck. You go unbeaten for 20 fights and be hailed as the GOAT and best p4p fighter of all time, i don't find it improbable enough to call PED use. Just one guy getting the better of others at the top, happens all the time everywhere. Was Genghis Khan on PEDs? No, he just loved to watch the world burn. Some are put on this earth to destroy shit.


NMcNasty    United States. Feb 06 2015 21:58. Posts 2039

One reason I think Fedor probably didn't use steroids is that maybe 7-8 years back when Overeem was considered an absolute beast, Fedor was requesting for Olympic level steroid testing as a condition to getting a fight to happen. It would be kind of a weird thing for a fighter that actually is on roids to say, unless you believe Fedor was actually ducking Overeem.


Daut    United States. Feb 07 2015 00:25. Posts 8950


  On February 06 2015 20:34 cariadon wrote:
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It is how you word it that makes me have a problem. Others being on PEDs and not getting caught isn't a valid reason or excuse to be using it. Not getting caught is the fault of testing. What should be allowed/disallowed, how often to test, punishment etc. can and should be regulated better.

What about when your career is over? Your choice will stick with you for life. If it is ok and you can live with that on your conscious, fine. It'd be interesting to guesstimate how many caught cheats truly, honestly regret their choice.

The elite fighters are really the best of the best. I believe one guy can dominate others in his weightclass as a combination of having everything going for you - genetics, not getting injured, etc and luck. You go unbeaten for 20 fights and be hailed as the GOAT and best p4p fighter of all time, i don't find it improbable enough to call PED use. Just one guy getting the better of others at the top, happens all the time everywhere. Was Genghis Khan on PEDs? No, he just loved to watch the world burn. Some are put on this earth to destroy shit.



not saying just cause everyone else is doing it. i personally am not ethically against PEDs, if someone is confident its not harmful to their body long term, will improve their overall life and their career, why not do it? sure its against the rules, but those are always in flux and i agree with tianyuan that theyll eventually change.

an analogy is playing on stars from the USA. something ive never done and regret never doing. wasted so much money traveling back and forth to canada and missed out on tons of value by being able to play from home, i dont fault a single person for doing it and wish i did myself. i kinda look at controlled and safe PED usage as the same thing.

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Daut    United States. Feb 07 2015 00:42. Posts 8950

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/6/7...of-16-drug-test-suspended-nine-months

jon fitch fails drug test for elevated testosterone. CIR test confirmed results. hes someone i would have thought was clean, mainly because he switched to being a vegan a few years back and seemed like a straight up guy.

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Minsk   United States. Feb 07 2015 00:47. Posts 1558

I would say Fedor didn't use steroids.

Look at his body, he didn't really have much muscle or testosterome. He had a lot of inner body strength, don't see why he would use steroids nor did I see the effects on him. He really had no use for them, they don't benefit his style.

He won off inner body strength that comes from lifting tractor tires. Big muscles would only slow him down, excess testosterome would only make him more reckless.




PuertoRican   United States. Feb 07 2015 01:03. Posts 12696


  On February 06 2015 23:47 Minsk wrote:
I would say Fedor didn't use steroids.

Look at his body, he didn't really have much muscle or testosterome. He had a lot of inner body strength, don't see why he would use steroids nor did I see the effects on him. He really had no use for them, they don't benefit his style.

He won off inner body strength that comes from lifting tractor tires. Big muscles would only slow him down, excess testosterome would only make him more reckless.






This is Josh Barnett, former UFC heavyweight champion. He failed two drug tests during his first run with the UFC; once in the beginning of his UFC career, and another time after he won the UFC heavyweight title. Barnett has always had a lot of inner body strength.

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Minsk   United States. Feb 07 2015 02:24. Posts 1558

He clearly looks like hes on steroids to me...look at his pudginess trying to be compressed by the steroids.

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whamm!   Albania. Feb 07 2015 03:40. Posts 11625

I believe Fedor didn't use roids ever, simply because, Fedor.


Baalim   Mexico. Feb 07 2015 03:54. Posts 33969

Im the biggest Fedor fan ever but being objective there is still a pretty good chance he did steroids, just look a Dauts pics ffs.

I would also bet 1:1 that GSP has used steroids too.

I also agree with Daut that steroids should be allowed, they are only forcing this ridiculous rule where 90% are doing it anyway and are creating an art passing tests while the other 10% are forced to either eventually cave in or simply being in a great disadvantage.

Ive seen 3 different statements from MMA gym owners about steroids, one said 98% use, another 90% and another just said "everyone", these are his literal responses, obviosly arent statistical numbers but just their way to say pretty much everyone uses them.

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Daut    United States. Feb 08 2015 22:54. Posts 8950

http://www.fighthubtv.com/mma-news-in...-boost-their-testosterone-talks-wsof/

2 year old article where fitch blasts TRT.


http://mmajunkie.com/2014/10/ufcs-and...roid-tests-should-mean-no-more-fights

4 month old article where anderson says positive steroid test should mean a lifetime ban.


the balls on these mother fuckers. just because someone says anti steroid shit publicly, does not mean he never used.

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