PuertoRican United States. Jan 11 2015 00:29. Posts 13051
Date: Sunday, January 18th
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass): 17:00 LP.net / 3pm PST / 6pm EST
Preliminary Card (Fox Sports 1): 18:00 LP.net / 4pm PST / 7pm EST
Main Card (Fox Sports 1): 21:00 LP.net / 7pm PST / 10pm EST
Live Streams: http://www.vipbox.tv (All MMA events are listed under the UFC button. Press the UFC button and you'll see the event in the list.)
- Norman Parke was expected to face Jorge Masvidal at the event. However in early December, Masvidal pulled out of the bout citing an injury and was replaced by Gleison Tibau.
- Paul Felder was expected to face Johnny Case at the event. However, Felder elected to fight as a replacement against Danny Castillo at UFC 182. He was replaced by Frank Trevino. On December 23, it was announced that Trevino had to pull out of the bout due to an injury and was replaced by newcomer Frankie Perez.
- Costas Philippou was expected to face Uriah Hall at the event. However, Philippou was forced out of the bout due to injury. He was replaced by Strikeforce veteran Louis Taylor.
- Eddie Alvarez was expected to face former UFC Lightweight Champion Benson Henderson at the co-main event. However, Alvarez was forced out of the bout due to illness. He was replaced by Donald Cerrone, whom Henderson fought twice before (at WEC 43 and WEC 48) and won both fights. One fight was for the WEC Lightweight Championship an the other one was for the interim belt. Cerrone had previously fought just 15 days before this event at UFC 182, winning his fight against Myles Jury.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 11 2015 00:35. Posts 13051
First impression of the match-ups:
• McGregor > Siver (Fight goes o1.5 rounds at +145 or better.)
• Henderson > Cerrone (Bad match-up for Cerrone.)
• Hall > Taylor (Short notice for Taylor, and he isn't a good fighter.)
• Parke > Tibau (Parke is younger, better cardio, taller, good TDD, faster, and has good movement. I think Parke will get a UD win or a late TKO.)
• Spencer > Pendred
• Howard > Larkin (Howard is the hometown boy and his style is bad for Larkin. If Larkin can't keep the distance, he'll get pressed against the fence where he'll get out-worked and then taken down.)
• Wade > Lipeng
• Holohan > Howell
• Case vs. Perez (dunno yet)
• Soriano > Rosa
• O'Connell > Buren
• Sanchez > Matsuda
isn't that fight really likely to start round two? I'm not at all convinced Connor is such a power puncher that he will just finish him instantly
edit: thanks I bet $110
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 11 2015 03:12. Posts 13051
On January 11 2015 01:56 Nazgul wrote:
isn't that fight really likely to start round two? I'm not at all convinced Connor is such a power puncher that he will just finish him instantly
edit: thanks I bet $110
I think it'll start round 2, but the public is riding Conor's dick, especially after he said he'll finish Siver within the first 2 minutes. I think Siver will relax a bit and not be reckless in the first round and go all out, especially since it's a 5-round fight.
Gus should beat up Johnson, Johnson seems to have had ever personal problem know to man leading up to this and is fighting in cold ass Sweden at a really weird time (card starts in the middle of the night) against someone that's in theory a horrible match up for him. Although, if a 100% Johnson shows up I wouldn't be happy with Gus -210. That guy looked scary against Nog.
Not having money on any site since I'm fairly sure I got limited on Unibet (although they say they never limit accounts) after a nice little rush at livebetting dota 2 lol. Seems like a card that could have some value if you did your research in general but I have no strong leans for this one.
The event in Sweden will for sure have some cool stuff though, first real good card we're getting.
I have estimated, for each fighter in this event, the approximate % to win, and the approximate score he will do on average if he does win (second column has no % because its just reversed)
I feel this kind of information can be quite helpfull to bet on Fantasy picks sites like DraftKing. Anyone see something clearly off?
Based on this sheet, i would say some of the best picks on DraftKings are Rosa, Perez, Hall, Pendred
Cerrone vs Henderson would be a much better main event tbh
Don't think McGregor can win within 1 round plus Siver has a a pretty good chin as far as i remember
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 11 2015 17:49. Posts 13051
"On January 11, it was announced that Taylor pulled out of the fight due to a pulled muscle in his back and had his contract terminated as result."
This means there's probably one less fight on the card. Also, we'll have one less fight to choose from on DraftKings.
Great... The only thing i was looking forward to on this card was Uriah Hall fighting :/
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soberstone United States. Jan 11 2015 18:47. Posts 2662
McGregror > Siver - First round KO.... his power for the division is insane and Siver is way too short and stubby to avoid the shots IMO. Perfect matchup to keep the first round KO's coming.... + Siver got caught for juicing before and than didn't look great in a fight vs Rosa who fought on 2 weeks notice... maybe it's the second or third but anything but a dominant KO win is a loss for the hype train (which I'm all aboard) at this point
Cerrone > Henderson - I think his TDD has gotten good enough to fend off the obvious shots. I re-watched their old fights and both have improved immensely but I prefer the active and confident Cerrone.
Hall vs ? - Taylor just got hurt. Will be lame replacement regardless if they get anyone.
Tibeu > Parke - I'm not sold on Parke to be able to fend off a huge wily vet like Tib's... I think it'll be a close decision either way.
Spencer > Pendred - Both bad, Pendred worse.
Larkin > Howard - Really love this new weightclass for Larkin, I think he could be a darkhorse in this division. Says he feels like he's on juice at 170. Remember he beat Lawler at 85 and Lawler is a whole new man since dropping. Not saying I expect thart kind of leap from Larkin but I think he's gonna look good.
Wade vs Lipang - Dunno
Holohan vs Howell - Dunno
Case > Perez
Rosa > Soriano - I like both these guys, poor Soriano has kinda had a murderers row.
O'Connell > Buren - Just going off of how bad Matt Van Buren is. Truly a terrible fighter.
Sanchez > Mitsuda - Sanchez looked pretty damn good vs Wilson Reis who has turned out to be tough as shit.
Johnson is fat in between fights and im disappointed with his lack of discipline tbh. I think either its a terrible johnson or him KOing Gus and surprising everyone. The dude's career has been weird
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Minsk United States. Jan 11 2015 19:20. Posts 1558
I don't think Siver can win anymore. I dont know if he can last one round.
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 11 2015 20:21. Posts 6817
On January 11 2015 13:03 Floofy wrote:
Hello all
I have estimated, for each fighter in this event, the approximate % to win, and the approximate score he will do on average if he does win (second column has no % because its just reversed)
I feel this kind of information can be quite helpfull to bet on Fantasy picks sites like DraftKing. Anyone see something clearly off?
Based on this sheet, i would say some of the best picks on DraftKings are Rosa, Perez, Hall, Pendred
I have estimated, for each fighter in this event, the approximate % to win, and the approximate score he will do on average if he does win (second column has no % because its just reversed)
I feel this kind of information can be quite helpfull to bet on Fantasy picks sites like DraftKing. Anyone see something clearly off?
Based on this sheet, i would say some of the best picks on DraftKings are Rosa, Perez, Hall, Pendred
What did you use for this?
To estimate the % to win? I just looked at bestfightodds.com and converted american odds
And for the "average score", i just estimated that myself, based on how often the guy finish his fights, and how often his opponement gets finished.
I realize this is far from being a bulletproof method, hence why im asking if some numbers seems like they are really off
I would really recommend the 2nd round starting as a bet.
Cosmo help me out here what do you think about betting Overeem vs Nelson -240?
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 12 2015 00:30. Posts 6817
@floofy
It looked like you were using some custom program (grey background) etc
I didnt really look at the rules closely yet for draftking but there's a lot more than finishing fights that counts towards points right? Seems like a model for avg score would have to weigh all those datapoints (which i think you can get from fightmetric) together.
Hm.. Off-suite socks..
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JonnyCosMo United States. Jan 12 2015 03:23. Posts 7292
On January 11 2015 22:35 Nazgul wrote:
I would really recommend the 2nd round starting as a bet.
Cosmo help me out here what do you think about betting Overeem vs Nelson -240?
Think that line is sharp. Like before it would be something retarded like -600 Overeem. Even thou Big Country still has the power, he's at a pretty big reach disadvantage. This is definitely one of the better match-ups for Overeem in the HW division. He'll be able to land leg kicks to that fat stomach at will all fight. Think Overeem takes 3 round unanimous decision a lot here, and a few times Big Country will KO him in round 1 or 2.
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gryzzlybearr Bulgaria. Jan 12 2015 05:59. Posts 129
On January 11 2015 14:50 Spitfiree wrote:
Cerrone vs Henderson would be a much better main event tbh
Don't think McGregor can win within 1 round plus Siver has a a pretty good chin as far as i remember
Cowboy vs Benson should be a great fight(100 times better than the main event)
I like both of them and i watched the first fight between them.I think there is a pretty big chance the same thing happens in this fight.If Cowboy wins give him a title shot.If Benson wins square him off with Khabib.This will be sick,maybe the two strongest fighters in the LW division.
And i think betting on Siever to get out of he first round is pretty coinflip.
If he circles all the time in the first round maybe he has a chance to survive ,but if he engages with Connor he is going down.And his chin is actually pretty weak.
I think he will get KO'd in the first.
But this injury thing is getting huge.Every card changes 5 times before it goes live.I think some of the guys just might pretend to be injured when they find themselves in pretty bad match ups. Like Alvares for example.He would get schooled by Benson.I think soon all of the Khabib's opponents will start to get injured,as he is the worst match up for everybody.
Think Khabib will just get a title shot in his next match although he s never fought anyone close to how good Pettis is, Benson would be a good test for him before a title shot indeed, but I don't really see who will get a title shot in the mean time
edit: oh i just saw they gave the shot to dos Anjos which is kind of stupid considering Khabib beat him and they are essentially fuckin Khabib up if Cerrone wins vs Henderson now
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soberstone United States. Jan 12 2015 11:42. Posts 2662
On January 12 2015 08:56 Spitfiree wrote:
Think Khabib will just get a title shot in his next match although he s never fought anyone close to how good Pettis is, Benson would be a good test for him before a title shot indeed, but I don't really see who will get a title shot in the mean time
edit: oh i just saw they gave the shot to dos Anjos which is kind of stupid considering Khabib beat him and they are essentially fuckin Khabib up if Cerrone wins vs Henderson now
Yah they should just make everyone wait while Khabib is injured.... clearly.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 12 2015 14:48. Posts 13051
"Uriah Hall will be fighting UFC newcomer Ron Stallings on six days notice. Stallings trains with Team Lloyd Irvin in Maryland, where he has amassed a 12-6 record with one no contest. He has won three of his last four bouts, but enters the fight with Hall coming off of a unanimous decision loss in his last outing this past November."
I keep forgetting that this event is on Sunday, not Saturday. Either way, saying this guy has 6 days notice sounds better on paper. Does Stallings train year-round? If he doesn't, he'll have to get into fight-shape and start cutting weight and weigh in on Saturday. However, there's one upside to Stallings that I just noticed: he fought Adlan Amagov in Strikeforce in 2011 and lost via split-decision. If Stallings was terrible, he would've been knocked out by Amagov.
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Translated by some random guy on Sherdog
Dennis Siver is pissed. An Interview has been published where he speaks about his upcoming fight versus McGregor. Here are some highlights:
"Everybody thinks that I have already lost this fight. At least, this is what many Americans think. They believe every word of his gibberish. That's their attitude.
In my opinion he (McGregor) landed a lucky shot(vs.Poirier) as the fight was very competitive till that moment. None of his fights was impressive, he hasn't faced any exceptional fighters yet. I'm not impressed!
F**k his prediction! (referring to McGregors prediction to knock Siver out in under 2 minutes) I've stopped reading all the interviews as it is all getting too ridiculous
He's the same ***** behind the scenes as he's in front of the audience.That's the proof that he is a bad person and an as*****
Smashing McGregors face in will be more satisfying than getting a titleshot."
Siver will probably make sure he at least survives the first 2 minutes by any means necessary. I assume he'll stick to a heavy kicking game for the first half of round 1, probably some jabs with 1 big overhand to make Conor aware he isn't afraid of him, but never really committing to anything major until late-round 1 and then opening up a lot more in rounds 2 and beyond (5-round fight).
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jan 12 2015 16:15. Posts 7499
The biggest problem for Siver here is that it's a 5 rounder. He is gassed by the beginning of the 3rd usually, and I don't see him finishing McGregor via strikes. Maybe he could pull a sub or liver shot though.
Despite Benson being up 2-0 on Cerrone, I think this fight is close to a flip.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jan 12 2015 16:18. Posts 7499
On January 11 2015 01:56 Nazgul wrote:
isn't that fight really likely to start round two? I'm not at all convinced Connor is such a power puncher that he will just finish him instantly
edit: thanks I bet $110
Well McGregor has finished 12 of his 16 wins in the first round, 11 of them being by t(ko). But Siver is his best opponent so far imo, and I do think it being a 5 rounder he might try to pace himself early.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
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Minsk United States. Jan 12 2015 16:19. Posts 1558
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 12 2015 17:08. Posts 13051
On January 11 2015 23:30 TianYuan wrote:
@floofy
It looked like you were using some custom program (grey background) etc
I didnt really look at the rules closely yet for draftking but there's a lot more than finishing fights that counts towards points right? Seems like a model for avg score would have to weigh all those datapoints (which i think you can get from fightmetric) together.
Yes its a program, but the user has to input the values of % to win and average score.
On January 11 2015 22:35 Nazgul wrote:
I would really recommend the 2nd round starting as a bet.
Cosmo help me out here what do you think about betting Overeem vs Nelson -240?
Think that line is sharp. Like before it would be something retarded like -600 Overeem. Even thou Big Country still has the power, he's at a pretty big reach disadvantage. This is definitely one of the better match-ups for Overeem in the HW division. He'll be able to land leg kicks to that fat stomach at will all fight. Think Overeem takes 3 round unanimous decision a lot here, and a few times Big Country will KO him in round 1 or 2.
Leg kicks to the stomach :D
Pretty decent card imo, but like many have said cerrone/henderson should be the five round fight.
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soberstone United States. Jan 12 2015 20:17. Posts 2662
On January 11 2015 01:56 Nazgul wrote:
isn't that fight really likely to start round two? I'm not at all convinced Connor is such a power puncher that he will just finish him instantly
edit: thanks I bet $110
Well McGregor has finished 12 of his 16 wins in the first round, 11 of them being by t(ko). But Siver is his best opponent so far imo, and I do think it being a 5 rounder he might try to pace himself early.
Siver is probably not better than Holloway and certainly not better than Poirier imo
On January 11 2015 01:56 Nazgul wrote:
isn't that fight really likely to start round two? I'm not at all convinced Connor is such a power puncher that he will just finish him instantly
edit: thanks I bet $110
Well McGregor has finished 12 of his 16 wins in the first round, 11 of them being by t(ko). But Siver is his best opponent so far imo, and I do think it being a 5 rounder he might try to pace himself early.
Siver is probably not better than Holloway and certainly not better than Poirier imo
Idd Siver s definitely not better than Poirier, but also plain statistics like those are so meh, might as well have 16 wins w TKO in the first round still wouldn't bet the fight finishing in 1 round
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jan 13 2015 18:34. Posts 7499
Dunno why youd think Poirier is better than Siver. I mean prior to McGregor, Poirier got rocked and dropped hard by both Brandao & Akira. His striking defense is pretty terrible, and his wrestling is average to below average. Siver has much better striking, much better defense, and much better wrestling. Which makes him a tougher test for McGregor Imo. At least for the first 3 rounds.
Sivers only lost 3 times in 7 years, to Cerrone, Pearson, and Swanson.
This all might be false though, since he's 36 and coming off steroids. So he might be significantly worse than he's been the last 7 years. Hard to say though.
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On January 13 2015 17:58 Floofy wrote:
So if i'm not mistaken, on DraftKings, We can still bet on Uriah Hall, but we cant bet on his new opponement?
No. Think about what you wrote.
You need two to tango.
Yes but they put the name of Taylor in red, but Uriah Hall isn't grayed, And they updated who his opponement is (Stallings)
And above the contest, you can see the list of fights with little green checks, and Hall vs Stallings is there.
The top area shows Hall vs. Stallings, but the box down below shows Hall vs. Taylor. It's obviously an error, or it's not updated yet. It would make no sense to only offer one fighter in a 1 vs. 1 match.
On January 13 2015 17:58 Floofy wrote:
So if i'm not mistaken, on DraftKings, We can still bet on Uriah Hall, but we cant bet on his new opponement?
No. Think about what you wrote.
You need two to tango.
David S (DraftKings)
Jan 13 10:37 PM
Good Evening,
You can still pick Uriah Hall and you will receive points for his fight. However, we do not change our player pool once it is established no matter what. Since Stallings replaced Taylor after we published our Player Pool Stallings will not be available to choose from. Further, we have listed Taylor as out but we won't be removing him from the Player Pool. If you do choose Taylor you won't receive any points since he is not fighting.
I don't really follow UFC at all, but I am intrigued by it and scim the threads every week. One thing I wonder though is why doesn't anyone ever have a losing record?
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 13 2015 23:22. Posts 13051
On January 13 2015 17:58 Floofy wrote:
So if i'm not mistaken, on DraftKings, We can still bet on Uriah Hall, but we cant bet on his new opponement?
No. Think about what you wrote.
You need two to tango.
David S (DraftKings)
Jan 13 10:37 PM
Good Evening,
You can still pick Uriah Hall and you will receive points for his fight. However, we do not change our player pool once it is established no matter what. Since Stallings replaced Taylor after we published our Player Pool Stallings will not be available to choose from. Further, we have listed Taylor as out but we won't be removing him from the Player Pool. If you do choose Taylor you won't receive any points since he is not fighting.
Let me know if you have any more questions!
David S
Customer Experience Associate
DraftKings Inc
This is another reason why DraftKings is flawed... They knew about the replacement 5-days in advance, yet they won't change it on their website so Hall's new opponent is able to be picked.
I think its almost close to a flip whether siver can get to second round, i really think once the fight starts hes gonna panick a bit, starts throwing alot of leg kicks since his punches won't really reach connor.........
ok its not going to second round
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 13 2015 23:29. Posts 13051
On January 13 2015 22:20 Trav94 wrote:
I don't really follow UFC at all, but I am intrigued by it and scim the threads every week. One thing I wonder though is why doesn't anyone ever have a losing record?
Which record are you referring to?
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 14 2015 02:13. Posts 6817
On January 13 2015 22:20 Trav94 wrote:
I don't really follow UFC at all, but I am intrigued by it and scim the threads every week. One thing I wonder though is why doesn't anyone ever have a losing record?
Because you dont generally get to the UFC with a losing record, the UFC is the biggest league, if you have a sub 50-50 record it probably means you are on the regional circuit.
Hm.. Off-suite socks..
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JonnyCosMo United States. Jan 14 2015 04:29. Posts 7292
On January 13 2015 22:20 Trav94 wrote:
I don't really follow UFC at all, but I am intrigued by it and scim the threads every week. One thing I wonder though is why doesn't anyone ever have a losing record?
Because you dont generally get to the UFC with a losing record, the UFC is the biggest league, if you have a sub 50-50 record it probably means you are on the regional circuit.
Or it means ur Mark Hunt before he went on his win streak
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On January 14 2015 12:35 gebbstet wrote:
If any of those two fighters sucks its definitely Boetsch.
Thanks champ that might be why he's an underdog.
Okey my comment was pretty dumb but why would you say thales sucks? Boetsch has looked horrible lately and should be 1-4 in his last 5 fights but got a robbery win against CB. Meanwhile Thales leites has done good in all of the fights I´ve seen and can remeber, 9-2 in UFC with 1 loss to Anderson Silva and a split decision loss to Alessio sakara.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 15 2015 05:52. Posts 13051
On January 14 2015 12:35 gebbstet wrote:
If any of those two fighters sucks its definitely Boetsch.
Thanks champ that might be why he's an underdog.
Okey my comment was pretty dumb but why would you say thales sucks? Boetsch has looked horrible lately and should be 1-4 in his last 5 fights but got a robbery win against CB. Meanwhile Thales leites has done good in all of the fights I´ve seen and can remeber, 9-2 in UFC with 1 loss to Anderson Silva and a split decision loss to Alessio sakara.
I think they're both not very good so I'm really trying to figure out whether Boetsch should be as big of an underdog as he is.
On January 14 2015 12:35 gebbstet wrote:
If any of those two fighters sucks its definitely Boetsch.
Thanks champ that might be why he's an underdog.
Okey my comment was pretty dumb but why would you say thales sucks? Boetsch has looked horrible lately and should be 1-4 in his last 5 fights but got a robbery win against CB. Meanwhile Thales leites has done good in all of the fights I´ve seen and can remeber, 9-2 in UFC with 1 loss to Anderson Silva and a split decision loss to Alessio sakara.
I think they're both not very good so I'm really trying to figure out whether Boetsch should be as big of an underdog as he is.
I've seen some improvement in Leites, and I think he's the better fighter;however, I'd take Boetsch at +220. You'll probably be able to get a better price on Leites during/after round 1.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 15 2015 16:50. Posts 13051
On January 14 2015 12:35 gebbstet wrote:
If any of those two fighters sucks its definitely Boetsch.
Thanks champ that might be why he's an underdog.
Okey my comment was pretty dumb but why would you say thales sucks? Boetsch has looked horrible lately and should be 1-4 in his last 5 fights but got a robbery win against CB. Meanwhile Thales leites has done good in all of the fights I´ve seen and can remeber, 9-2 in UFC with 1 loss to Anderson Silva and a split decision loss to Alessio sakara.
I think they're both not very good so I'm really trying to figure out whether Boetsch should be as big of an underdog as he is.
I've seen some improvement in Leites, and I think he's the better fighter;however, I'd take Boetsch at +220. You'll probably be able to get a better price on Leites during/after round 1.
I've seen a shitload of improvement in Leites. Than again, I think he's for sure juicing. Just one man's humble opinion. I have no evidence other than what my two eyes tell me. Either way, that only makes him a tastier pick until he gets caught. Pretty bad matchup for the Barbarian but I definitely agree he's a live dog, wouldn't bet on him though. Wouldn't bet on either, I feel the true line lies right in the juice (the Vegas juice, not the Laites juice).
If you are going to bet Overeem you might just bet for a decision, he has been extremely tentative in his striking lately and with his new found cardio, and need to land wins theres no way he will risk eating Nelsons overhand right.
Im puzzled about Jackson idea about rebuilding Overeem he probably figured his power tank approach was too exploitable nowadays with his crystal chin and saw too much technical ability wasted in punching power
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gryzzlybearr Bulgaria. Jan 16 2015 03:53. Posts 129
Totally agree ,the only two ways this fight ends is Overeem by decision and Nelson by KO.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jan 16 2015 13:49. Posts 7499
On January 15 2015 20:06 Baalim wrote:
If you are going to bet Overeem you might just bet for a decision, he has been extremely tentative in his striking lately and with his new found cardio, and need to land wins theres no way he will risk eating Nelsons overhand right.
Im puzzled about Jackson idea about rebuilding Overeem he probably figured his power tank approach was too exploitable nowadays with his crystal chin and saw too much technical ability wasted in punching power
It's weird how mediocre his MMA striking is. I mean not even just defense and chin, but offense as well. I mean he couldn't finish Mir or Bigfoot on the feet. He throws like one punch at a time always now and is super tentative.
Weird thing though is, he's been in the two best guards in the HW division for extended amounts of time and was never even remotely in trouble. He was in Mir & Werdums guard longer than anyone just about. His grappling is super good, and he can basically out grapple anyone in the division minus a couple of guys with great TDD like Cain, JDS, Stipe, and maybe Browne. Everyone else he should be able to toss and grind out a 3 round decision or get a TKO/Sub.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 16 2015 14:05. Posts 13051
On January 15 2015 20:06 Baalim wrote:
If you are going to bet Overeem you might just bet for a decision, he has been extremely tentative in his striking lately and with his new found cardio, and need to land wins theres no way he will risk eating Nelsons overhand right.
Im puzzled about Jackson idea about rebuilding Overeem he probably figured his power tank approach was too exploitable nowadays with his crystal chin and saw too much technical ability wasted in punching power
It's weird how mediocre his MMA striking is. I mean not even just defense and chin, but offense as well. I mean he couldn't finish Mir or Bigfoot on the feet. He throws like one punch at a time always now and is super tentative.
Weird thing though is, he's been in the two best guards in the HW division for extended amounts of time and was never even remotely in trouble. He was in Mir & Werdums guard longer than anyone just about. His grappling is super good, and he can basically out grapple anyone in the division minus a couple of guys with great TDD like Cain, JDS, Stipe, and maybe Browne. Everyone else he should be able to toss and grind out a 3 round decision or get a TKO/Sub.
He only uses defensive BJJ at heavyweight. In a couple different UFC fights, he's had his opponents neck as he controlled them on their knees. Back at light heavyweight, he would've attempted a standing guillotine or a regular guillotine. He's probably too afraid to gas his arms out and/or end up on bottom with a regular guillotine.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 16 2015 14:59. Posts 13051
On January 15 2015 20:06 Baalim wrote:
If you are going to bet Overeem you might just bet for a decision, he has been extremely tentative in his striking lately and with his new found cardio, and need to land wins theres no way he will risk eating Nelsons overhand right.
Im puzzled about Jackson idea about rebuilding Overeem he probably figured his power tank approach was too exploitable nowadays with his crystal chin and saw too much technical ability wasted in punching power
It's weird how mediocre his MMA striking is. I mean not even just defense and chin, but offense as well. I mean he couldn't finish Mir or Bigfoot on the feet. He throws like one punch at a time always now and is super tentative.
Weird thing though is, he's been in the two best guards in the HW division for extended amounts of time and was never even remotely in trouble. He was in Mir & Werdums guard longer than anyone just about. His grappling is super good, and he can basically out grapple anyone in the division minus a couple of guys with great TDD like Cain, JDS, Stipe, and maybe Browne. Everyone else he should be able to toss and grind out a 3 round decision or get a TKO/Sub.
Well finishing BigFoot is not an easy task, rmember Hunt couldnt do it either and actually Reem was on his way to do it, and against Mir it was the scared "new" Reem that seem to suck even worse but I have faith in Jackson and hopefully he is taking Reem somewhere.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 17 2015 04:33. Posts 13051
Im trying to download the last bellator event but cant find anywhere, does anyone here have an invite to mma-torrents or know any other site where I can check it out? Posting here to avoid spoilers.
edit: found it
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 17 2015 14:51. Posts 13051
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jan 17 2015 16:03. Posts 7499
On January 15 2015 20:06 Baalim wrote:
If you are going to bet Overeem you might just bet for a decision, he has been extremely tentative in his striking lately and with his new found cardio, and need to land wins theres no way he will risk eating Nelsons overhand right.
Im puzzled about Jackson idea about rebuilding Overeem he probably figured his power tank approach was too exploitable nowadays with his crystal chin and saw too much technical ability wasted in punching power
It's weird how mediocre his MMA striking is. I mean not even just defense and chin, but offense as well. I mean he couldn't finish Mir or Bigfoot on the feet. He throws like one punch at a time always now and is super tentative.
Weird thing though is, he's been in the two best guards in the HW division for extended amounts of time and was never even remotely in trouble. He was in Mir & Werdums guard longer than anyone just about. His grappling is super good, and he can basically out grapple anyone in the division minus a couple of guys with great TDD like Cain, JDS, Stipe, and maybe Browne. Everyone else he should be able to toss and grind out a 3 round decision or get a TKO/Sub.
He only uses defensive BJJ at heavyweight. In a couple different UFC fights, he's had his opponents neck as he controlled them on their knees. Back at light heavyweight, he would've attempted a standing guillotine or a regular guillotine. He's probably too afraid to gas his arms out and/or end up on bottom with a regular guillotine.
Well he did try a guillotine in his Shogun fight, failed, and nearly got killed. There's a video of him back stage afterwards and he looks near death after the beating Shogun gave him.
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JonnyCosMo United States. Jan 17 2015 17:08. Posts 7292
McGregor is at -1000 with the biggest name he's fought being Dustin Pourier. That's fucking crazy. I think there is still too much unknown about Conor to be betting this fight.
LOVE Benson at -130.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jan 17 2015 18:50. Posts 7499
On January 15 2015 20:06 Baalim wrote:
If you are going to bet Overeem you might just bet for a decision, he has been extremely tentative in his striking lately and with his new found cardio, and need to land wins theres no way he will risk eating Nelsons overhand right.
Im puzzled about Jackson idea about rebuilding Overeem he probably figured his power tank approach was too exploitable nowadays with his crystal chin and saw too much technical ability wasted in punching power
It's weird how mediocre his MMA striking is. I mean not even just defense and chin, but offense as well. I mean he couldn't finish Mir or Bigfoot on the feet. He throws like one punch at a time always now and is super tentative.
Weird thing though is, he's been in the two best guards in the HW division for extended amounts of time and was never even remotely in trouble. He was in Mir & Werdums guard longer than anyone just about. His grappling is super good, and he can basically out grapple anyone in the division minus a couple of guys with great TDD like Cain, JDS, Stipe, and maybe Browne. Everyone else he should be able to toss and grind out a 3 round decision or get a TKO/Sub.
Well finishing BigFoot is not an easy task, rmember Hunt couldnt do it either and actually Reem was on his way to do it, and against Mir it was the scared "new" Reem that seem to suck even worse but I have faith in Jackson and hopefully he is taking Reem somewhere.
Dunno, Cormier, Cain twice, Pele, and Arlovski all treated him like a bitch in the stand up and ko'd him in like 2 minutes or less. I expect someone like Reem to do the same but he couldn't.
Bigfoot was juiced to the gills against Hunto, so maybe that played a part in that. Hunto actually didn't hit him much in the first few rounds when he was fresh IIRC. Bigfoot was mostly out boxing him.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 17 2015 19:01. Posts 13051
If you guys are bored, there's 2 fighting events on tonight.
siver looks almost dead. i dont think itll be a great looking fight which is disappointing - i want to see mcgregor fight more than 1 round but this is not the guy
On January 15 2015 20:06 Baalim wrote:
If you are going to bet Overeem you might just bet for a decision, he has been extremely tentative in his striking lately and with his new found cardio, and need to land wins theres no way he will risk eating Nelsons overhand right.
Im puzzled about Jackson idea about rebuilding Overeem he probably figured his power tank approach was too exploitable nowadays with his crystal chin and saw too much technical ability wasted in punching power
It's weird how mediocre his MMA striking is. I mean not even just defense and chin, but offense as well. I mean he couldn't finish Mir or Bigfoot on the feet. He throws like one punch at a time always now and is super tentative.
Weird thing though is, he's been in the two best guards in the HW division for extended amounts of time and was never even remotely in trouble. He was in Mir & Werdums guard longer than anyone just about. His grappling is super good, and he can basically out grapple anyone in the division minus a couple of guys with great TDD like Cain, JDS, Stipe, and maybe Browne. Everyone else he should be able to toss and grind out a 3 round decision or get a TKO/Sub.
Well finishing BigFoot is not an easy task, rmember Hunt couldnt do it either and actually Reem was on his way to do it, and against Mir it was the scared "new" Reem that seem to suck even worse but I have faith in Jackson and hopefully he is taking Reem somewhere.
Dunno, Cormier, Cain twice, Pele, and Arlovski all treated him like a bitch in the stand up and ko'd him in like 2 minutes or less. I expect someone like Reem to do the same but he couldn't.
Bigfoot was juiced to the gills against Hunto, so maybe that played a part in that. Hunto actually didn't hit him much in the first few rounds when he was fresh IIRC. Bigfoot was mostly out boxing him.
Reem was demolishing BigFoot before he gassed and got caught, in fact he was almost bragging and the technical gap was very noticeable.
Dont get me wrong Im not saying he is great or anything it has been more than established that he sucks balls, but he should be very good on paper, he has elite level striking, very decent grappling and a lot of experience but somehow he doesnt perform well, I dont understand why, Id love somebody like JackSlack to go deep into why he does worse than he should
he didn't look that bad, considering he s kind of huge for the weight class
the over hype they put @ McGregor kind of annoys me and makes me laugh at the same time, like they dared to imply a comparison to Mohamed Ali & Tyson @ main event intro there ... are you fucking kidding me ?
tbh would love to see an upset
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 17 2015 20:38. Posts 13051
On January 18 2015 07:02 drone666 wrote:
weird Q&A with aldo everyone considering McGregor already won vs Siver
kinda disrespectful
ufc is riding on McGregor's dick atm
I m sure he ll get title fight either way
there s def something the UFC wants to accomplish in Ireland though, they were trying to hype Cathal during TUF for some reason as if he was a beast, and they were trying to hype the irish chick during last season of TUF as well
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Minsk United States. Jan 18 2015 15:00. Posts 1558
I took Cerrone, that was all. I don't think that was super profitable either at +118. I watched their first fight and if the first was that close, Benson slightly improved since then, Cerrone had very major improvements.
Not happy with my odds at all.... if i would have done this a couple days ago it would probably have paid closer to 300... but i still have faith in the picks.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 18 2015 18:04. Posts 13051
McGregor/Siver o1.5 +145 $30 for $43.50
Benson Henderson -133 $13.30 for $10
Benson Henderson -128 $12.80 for $10
Benson Henderson by submission +835 $5 for $41.75
Hall/Stallings goes to decision +200 $5 for $10
Norman Parke +130 $10 for $13
Gleison Tibau by decision +178 $10 for $17.80
Sean Spencer -150 $15 for $10
John Howard by decision +275 $10 for $27.50
Zhang Lipeng by decision +650 $5 for $32.50
Patrick Holohan by KO/TKO/DQ +685 $5 for $34.25
Frankie Perez +150 $5 for $7.50
Sean Soriano +135 $10 for $13.50
Sean Soriano +120 $15 for $18
O'Connell/Buren u1.5 +100 $10 for $10
Joby Sanchez -140 $21 for $15
Tateki Matsuda by KO/TKO/DQ +1125 $2 for $22.50
Parlay $20 for $34.02: Sean Spencer, Deontay Wilder
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 18 2015 18:37. Posts 13051
Added Dennis Siver KO/TKO/DQ +1350 $5 for $67.50
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Sick fight between O'Connell and Van Buren. Lost my bet, but it was entertaining.
PuertoRican United States. Jan 18 2015 21:55. Posts 13051
The Boston judges won't let any Irish fighters lose tonight. Dennis Siver better get a finish.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 18 2015 21:58. Posts 13051
Since Bookmaker decided not to have live betting, I have lost all but one of my bets thus far. They didn't give a reason, just said no live betting today.
Worst event for me in over a year. Hopefully Benson wins ITD, cuz these racist judges will probably give Cowboy a decision over him no matter how one-sided it is.
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 22:00. Posts 2662
It was a complete robbery but the MMA community is going overboard.
Round 1 was CLEAR Spencer, a 30-27 scorecard (which there were two of them warrants a firing)
Round 2 was CLEAR Spencer, anyone with a brain knows this, but I'm not surprised the late TD swayed someone
Round 3 was clear Pendred only because Spencer literally did ABSOLUTELY nothing..
So in essence, the only thing that makes this an especially crazy robbery is that the judges had it 30-27, not that the decision went Cathal's way
On January 18 2015 21:06 ERASA wrote:
I only hope Aldo enters the cage after the fight :D
Lol i just clicked on quote to say "yea right he's challenging the champ" then I realized that Couture entered the cage to welcome Gonzaga back in 2006 or 07
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 22:36. Posts 2662
On January 18 2015 21:35 ERASA wrote:
So they scripted an interview for Jones.. lol
Would you have expected anything less? Don't they do that for all stars in all major sports?
The real question is, did Jones really do anything wrong....
He did some blow and was accidentally/wrongfully tested for it without his consent, big fucking deal.
soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:06. Posts 2662
Love the Masvidal vs Green fight and the Mendes vs Lamas fights...
Good, sensible matchups
Masvidal vs Green is a toss-up and I think Mendes destroys Ricardo, but I'm not exactly going out on a limb there
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 18 2015 23:10. Posts 13051
On January 18 2015 22:06 soberstone wrote:
Love the Masvidal vs Green fight and the Mendes vs Lamas fights...
Good, sensible matchups
Masvidal vs Green is a toss-up and I think Mendes destroys Ricardo, but I'm not exactly going out on a limb there
Masvidal will beat Green. I don't want to say easily, but he will be the clear winner at the end.
I think Mendes will win, but I'll definitely be betting Lamas via submission.
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:13. Posts 2662
Why are you so sure about Masvidal?... I guarantee the line opens at a near pickem so you should surely be betting on him.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 18 2015 23:17. Posts 13051
On January 18 2015 22:13 soberstone wrote:
Why are you so sure about Masvidal?... I guarantee the line opens at a near pickem so you should surely be betting on him.
I'd love the bookies to open near even. I'd be pretty surprised if they did, considering Bobby Green is coming off of a loss to Edson Barboza, in a fight that Green didn't look too hot because he can't handle having to chase after a moving target.
Masvidal has a better gas tank, better pure boxing, probably kickboxing as well, and he won't get taken down. I expect Masvidal's head movement and ability to mix it up in the fight, as being being his path to victory.
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:26. Posts 2662
Cerrone v Henderson, my scorecard:
Round 1 - 10/10 (I actually have it 10-9 Cerrone but I'm biased and it was very close)
Round 2 - 10/19 Cerrone
Round 3 -10/9 Benson
My card - Draw, hoping they give it to Cowboy though.
PuertoRican United States. Jan 18 2015 23:32. Posts 13051
Round 1: maybe Cerrone, but Benson landed slightly more.
Round 2: Benson, he landed double the strikes and Cerrone didn't do anything with the short take down.
Round 3: Benson
2-1 Benson, but since it's in Boston, it might be a split-decision.
Round 2 Cerrone? I dont think so... Winner should be Henderson
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:40. Posts 2662
On January 18 2015 22:38 ERASA wrote:
Round 2 Cerrone? I dont think so... Winner should be Henderson
I dunno it was a shitty fight, Benson won most of the round doing zero damage while Cerrone landed a not-clean headkick and got a takedown... however you want to score it is fine with me....
PuertoRican United States. Jan 18 2015 23:41. Posts 13051
wow... what a fucking joke...
Racist fucking Boston...
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:42. Posts 2662
FWIW it's Cerrone was for sure hurt in some way for that fight... not based on the post-fighter, I was thinking about it during the fight. He threw ZERO right leg kicks which are normally one of his best weapons.... I have a feeling his right foot was injured.
soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:50. Posts 2662
On January 18 2015 22:47 traxamillion wrote:
Watched that fight with my buddy Paul 'adrenaline' and we both thought it was a foregone conclusion that Benson won. Surprising
Tell Paul I said wsup.
And for the record, I guess I need to re-watch the fight, but from what I saw, Benson landed nothing clean but a lot more bullshit JABS TO THE LEG (most stupid strike in all of MMA) and 30 percent leg kicks and bulshit side-thigh kicks that do no damage unless they hit the kneecap, not the thigh, where Cerrone threw very little volume but got a couple takedowns and landed the cleaner shots when he did throw them... can't blame anyone for scoring it one way or the other but to call it a robbery is a joke.
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traxamillion United States. Jan 18 2015 23:51. Posts 10468
They looked like they wanted to hang out and have a beer together more than they wanted to throw down so yea who cares; weak fight.
Bensom clearly won imo but personally I feel its whatever since he has had so many split decisions go his way.
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:53. Posts 2662
On January 18 2015 22:51 traxamillion wrote:
They looked like they wanted to hang out and have a beer together more than they wanted to throw down so yea who cares; weak fight.
Exactly! They are really close friends but I thought they would do more than put on a glorified sparring session...
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:54. Posts 2662
But on the bright side, you are about to experience the future of MMA - Connor McGoat.... and LOL!!!!! Siver is coming to Papa FUCKING Roach.
traxamillion United States. Jan 18 2015 23:56. Posts 10468
Lol this Connor dude looks beast, expecting this to end round 1. Hey Jon Paul says wasup too
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Minsk United States. Jan 18 2015 23:58. Posts 1558
I hope Siver knocks him out on accident, Then stares at the crowd like hes unsure what hes done, with his dumb papa roach face.
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traxamillion United States. Jan 18 2015 23:59. Posts 10468
Hahaha me and Paul were laughing during that intro too. The guy doesn't even speak English I don't think
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soberstone United States. Jan 18 2015 23:59. Posts 2662
Dana White is wearing Depends right now because if Conor loses, his company essentially is literally (yes literally) worth potentially hundreds of millions of dollars less.
soberstone United States. Jan 19 2015 00:25. Posts 2662
On January 18 2015 23:22 Raidern wrote:
mcgregor looks pretty good, im a terrible fight analyst so i have no clue how will his fight with jose aldo go
Not one of the top 'Analysts' will want to say it but I will, I think McGregor is a better fighter on the feet (which is where the fight will take place) at this point in their careers and will take the belt. I PRAY TO GOD he is at like +200.
EDIT: NEVERMIND ODDS ALREADY OUT AND IT'S CLOSE TO A PICKEM FUCK! VEGAS KNOWS!!!!
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 19 2015 00:30. Posts 13051
Jose Aldo opened up at -140 if the fight is in Ireland, -210 if it's in the US, and -270 if it's in Brazil.
People are massively betting on Aldo. hes now -159
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soberstone United States. Jan 19 2015 00:52. Posts 2662
To bolster your point Rican, TJ DeSantis is a terrible judge.
To bolster mine, the commentary for that fight was very skewed in Henderson's direction, which definitely matters.
Either way, it wasn't a robbery at all, all 3 rounds were close and uneventful. You can't make a strong case-closed argument either way, I'm sorry, if you think you can, you are just letting bias over-ride your rationale.
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soberstone United States. Jan 19 2015 00:54. Posts 2662
On January 18 2015 23:40 Floofy wrote:
People are massively betting on Aldo. hes now -159
Awesome, if it get's to +170 or better, I will be making a sizeable wager. Small bet if not and it's +140 around fight time.
They can do a duo belt card with Pettis vs Cerrone & Aldo vs McGregor. It would sell itself, Pettis & Cerrone being the nice guys that just want to progress and top their game on a daily basis and McGregor being a complete nutjob acting like he is the anti christ or something
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 19 2015 01:05. Posts 13051
On January 18 2015 23:52 soberstone wrote:
To bolster your point Rican, TJ DeSantis is a terrible judge.
To bolster mine, the commentary for that fight was very skewed in Henderson's direction, which definitely matters.
Either way, it wasn't a robbery at all, all 3 rounds were close and uneventful. You can't make a strong case-closed argument either way, I'm sorry, if you think you can, you are just letting bias over-ride your rationale.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about... I'm the least bias MMA bettor that you'll mostly like ever come across.
I lost money on all the juice I paid on Benson with extra bets I made before the fight, but me betting him doesn't change the way I feel about the result, as you can see with the hedge I made on Cerrone.
Most bettors I saw online were in agreement that Benson won. Many people said they were lucky to come away with the win, and that they thought Benson won. Did you even see the reaction and the way Cerrone carried himself after the fight and as the result was read?
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Minsk United States. Jan 19 2015 01:07. Posts 1558
I'm just crying for Denis Siver. Such a sad story. Humans are so cruel.
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JonnyCosMo United States. Jan 19 2015 01:19. Posts 7292
Just shit my pants when I saw Aldo open at almost a pick'em
Then I bet the motherfuckin house
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JonnyCosMo United States. Jan 19 2015 01:20. Posts 7292
I feel Aldo is like a -300 favorite in this fight. I'd guess the line will go up to somewhere in the -200 to -250 range.
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JonnyCosMo United States. Jan 19 2015 01:23. Posts 7292
And I scored the co-main 29-28 for Cerrone. Didn't think it was a robbery at all, Cerrone had him walking back constantly for the first two round and landed just as many strikes. On top of that he landed a takedown in round 2. Nothing else really stood out in any of those rounds... And on a side note, fuck Benson for complaining, that guy has run so fucking good at decisions in the past. It's like watching some sun runner in PLO complain about having one small losing session.
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soberstone United States. Jan 19 2015 01:47. Posts 2662
On January 18 2015 23:52 soberstone wrote:
To bolster your point Rican, TJ DeSantis is a terrible judge.
To bolster mine, the commentary for that fight was very skewed in Henderson's direction, which definitely matters.
Either way, it wasn't a robbery at all, all 3 rounds were close and uneventful. You can't make a strong case-closed argument either way, I'm sorry, if you think you can, you are just letting bias over-ride your rationale.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about... I'm the least bias MMA bettor that you'll mostly like ever come across.
I lost money on all the juice I paid on Benson with extra bets I made before the fight, but me betting him doesn't change the way I feel about the result, as you can see with the hedge I made on Cerrone.
Most bettors I saw online were in agreement that Benson won. Many people said they were lucky to come away with the win, and that they thought Benson won. Did you even see the reaction and the way Cerrone carried himself after the fight and as the result was read.
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Woah there buddy. Woah. I respect you, your opinions, that you take the time to make these boards, etc.... not every argument needs to become heated. I agree most bettors thought Benson won. All I ever said was that it wasn't a robbery.
I also think Cerrone won that, plus the whole trend of rewarding the guy who wants to finish more. Betting the house on Mcgregor once they fight in Brazil or wherever they choose
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handbanana21 United States. Jan 19 2015 02:49. Posts 3037
On January 19 2015 00:23 JonnyCosMo wrote:
And I scored the co-main 29-28 for Cerrone. Didn't think it was a robbery at all, Cerrone had him walking back constantly for the first two round and landed just as many strikes. On top of that he landed a takedown in round 2. Nothing else really stood out in any of those rounds... And on a side note, fuck Benson for complaining, that guy has run so fucking good at decisions in the past. It's like watching some sun runner in PLO complain about having one small losing session.
Agree, besides Benson isn't exceptional compared to the fighters that have same goals, he s pretty solid, but overall just runs good.
Cerrone is a fucking beast in my opinion, he takes any fight any time he s offered. He didn't even have time to prepare properly for this, don't think he has any chance against Pettis unless he flukes, but definitely deserves the title shot now
Seems like it was close enough not to call it a robbery, but still a bad decision if it was clear enough for 90% of people to agree it should have been Henderson. I lost money but part of me is happy that someone willing to fight two top contenders within two weeks ended up winning both. Most manly man of all time. What a stud. They need to give him the title shot as a reward for saving this card by taking a ridiculous risk.
Bet Aldo -195 (current U.S. event line) for $195.
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gryzzlybearr Bulgaria. Jan 19 2015 10:00. Posts 129
Benson fought very friendly.
I think when a fight is so so close just give it a draw.I do not understand why there are so few matches ending a draw.
Easy 10-10 first and third round.Happy for Cowboy though.He is great ,as is Benson so it is OK.
Connor took 1-2 solid punches very well.That was what impressed me.I hope he beats Aldo ,but Jose is very tough and it should be a great fight.
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TianYuan Korea (South). Jan 19 2015 10:17. Posts 6817
On January 19 2015 00:07 Minsk wrote:
I'm just crying for Denis Siver. Such a sad story. Humans are so cruel.
Did something happen other than the fight?
On January 19 2015 00:23 JonnyCosMo wrote:
And I scored the co-main 29-28 for Cerrone. Didn't think it was a robbery at all, Cerrone had him walking back constantly for the first two round and landed just as many strikes. On top of that he landed a takedown in round 2. Nothing else really stood out in any of those rounds... And on a side note, fuck Benson for complaining, that guy has run so fucking good at decisions in the past. It's like watching some sun runner in PLO complain about having one small losing session.
I agree with this. I thought it was a really close fight, but I felt like the commentary was just so incredibly Henderson biased it made me question what I was seeing...
Hm.. Off-suite socks..
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Minsk United States. Jan 19 2015 15:09. Posts 1558
Nope, it was just a sad situation for Mr. Denis Siver. I feel bad for him.
i had it 30-27 henderson, but all of the rounds were close. Not a robbery, but was surprised to see Bendo on the losing end of a controversial decision.
Think CM is amazing; hes very jon jones like on the feet, but with better hands and more power. his movement, accuracy and distance management are the best in MMA. still think hes a big dog to aldo: ~30% to win. aldo's speed edge should be the key advantage. I also think that CM is pretty susceptible to leg kicks, as are most without a dangerous wrestling shot. thats not to say CM isnt a good wrestler, seems very strong in the clinch and has good balance, he just hasnt shown a quick shot.
given his accuracy and power i wouldnt be surprised if CM can get a finish after accumulation of damage, but his most likely road to victory is having an edge in later rounds when aldo's super fast twitch muscles are moving a little slower. but i do see aldo winning the early rounds and maybe even outgrappling conor on his way to a 49-46 type decision.
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imo the only reason why Aldo is a favourite is because of the leg kicks, lately we havent seen him throw that many but CM is the perfect candidate, not a wrestler and narrow stance if by some reason leg kicks arent a big factor in the fight i think CM will take it
It's certainly isn't easy to call who is the one with the overall advantage in this one, but with McGregor having the bigger frame, I think it'll be competitive on the feet, perhaps even favoring the Irish. It comes down to who can push the pace the longest (since both are really good on the feet). It's good for the sport if McGregor takes it, don't think anyone can argue with this...
one of these guys has beaten mendes 2x, edgar, lamas, faber, swanson, is arguably the most complete fighter of all time, and has been top 3 p4p for 5 years with no sign of slowing down. one of them has 0 top 7 wins and is basically untested in an entire portion of MMA. i love conor and think he passes every eye test with flying colors, but aldo being less than -200 is mind blowing to me.
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On January 21 2015 00:48 rOm wrote:
It's certainly isn't easy to call who is the one with the overall advantage in this one, but with McGregor having the bigger frame, I think it'll be competitive on the feet, perhaps even favoring the Irish. It comes down to who can push the pace the longest (since both are really good on the feet). It's good for the sport if McGregor takes it, don't think anyone can argue with this...
I can easily argue that. By my definition the UFC being bigger or mroe popular isn't necessarily an improvement for the sport. The only definition that would fall under is the sport being larger, not better. It's good for more people in the world enjoying MMA, but UFC growth is certainly not directly associated more enjoyable times for current fans. The cards they put on nowadays because they are a bigger sport/company have been absolutely shitty for the sport as a whole. They reach more people with these shitty cards so it is the preferred business model and I can understand why they're doing it. This definition of something being good for the sport just because its larger is something I have always struggled with. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say the enjoyment of MMA was higher when it was smaller with more focused cards by Pride/UFC. Jose Aldo is a fucking animal one of the best (imo the best based on current skill and record) fighters to walk this planet. I really enjoy Conor McGregor as well and it would be great to see him as a champion but don't agree with more eyes=good for the sport.
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Minsk United States. Jan 21 2015 09:47. Posts 1558
I agree that the line should be 66/33 Aldo. I don't think Aldo has a great style to counter McGregor. but hes a more complete fighter with more weapons at his disposal and assuming he studies McGregors style, which he will, should be able to find a way.
The way to counter McGregor is to push/pressure into him and expect/avoid the counters, and counter that. It's not the easiest thing. Make him move backwards but don't blindly strike, just faint and avoid the counters.
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Minsk United States. Jan 21 2015 09:54. Posts 1558
That will create a continuity where hes commited to air, and you're not commited and you can do damage. Somoene like Lyoto Machida I feel would be great at exploiting McGregor.
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Minsk United States. Jan 21 2015 09:56. Posts 1558
I think Mendes would also be much better vs McGregor than Aldo.
I would say Mendes vs McGregor is 80/20 | Aldo vs McGregor is 66/33
I wouldn't bet against the Irish. Beastmode is in their DNA. McGregor will give Aldo a different look for sure. He just moves very different from the other typical fighter. His mentality is spot on for the task aswell. Being a seasoned veteran is one thing, being hungry is another. I see a lot of passion and hunger from Conor. Aldo is an established fighter and didn't get to where he is by shady split decisions or any other crap, he is a worthy champion. I'll be staying up late for the fight and rooting for the irishman and for the fight to go past 2 rounds.
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I'm legitimately curious do you believe shit like that? Don't bet against the Irish?
I believe in not betting against this particular Irishman. I believe in home team advantage, the love and support of your fans might have a similar effect. However (in)significant it'd be interesting to ask the fighters themselves.
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PuertoRican United States. Jan 22 2015 19:44. Posts 13051
On January 21 2015 09:16 cariadon wrote:
I wouldn't bet against the Irish.
whats exciting is that if CM beats Aldo then he would pretty much be the GOAT
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TimDawg United States. Jan 23 2015 04:03. Posts 10197
i placed a bet of $190 at -190 on Aldo
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