Video blog follow up to yesterdays post

Respect dude. It doesn't get more real than sticking yourself out there like that and vblogs are good fun. I dunno, depends how u feel ofc but that 5 min vid took me back to the old prop betting days when you played 50k hands in 24 hours and kept posting on LP. It rocked.

I don't care about the tan posts at all really but I have a few thoughts about it. People are extremely affected by how you look, present and take care of yourself. It's kinda sad but it's the reality of the world and it matters to almost everyone even if they don't want it to. If you look sharp and take care of yourself you have a huge advantage over other people and are more likely to be close to others. That works on guys too (nohomo) as with your friend Asher for example, it made you want to hang out and learn more about his swag, right? Think what other friends/players are looking to you for as well. It probably helps you now on the podcasts + connecting with people and also your demographic is mostly hungry young dudes interested in a bit of banter anyways so it's all fun really. It's good and bad though because it can attract people who only want those more superficial qualities and not the real you. Keep on doing what your doing, it's awesome and lots of ppl appreciate the podcasts.

You are right that success/attractiveness that sort of thing attracts others that are similar. It's also true that looking good makes most if not all feel good about themselves. For one thing being in shape means your body is more healthy which is good for your mind too, but in general people just enjoy looking good and feeling attractive. I'm also pretty sure that Loco and whoever else that posted cares enough about looks to have an opinion about what sort of looks they like in a girl. Everyone prefers to have a girlfriend that looks good over one that is 300lbs. Nobody is completely unaffected by the interests you described and we all participate in it to some extent.

That said I think that you hit a nerve with a lot of people with those comments. The reason for this is that despite all of this being true, it's almost disgusting how important looks are in our world. Everyone to some extent has to be a part of it whether they want it or not. If you want to find a nice girl you need to take care of yourself. If you want to find a good job you need to take care of yourself. It is something that a lot of people often question. A lot of us would prefer to live in a society that resembles more of a meritocracy. Think of kids at primary school who pick on others who don't look the same/popular, despite the person being picked on possibly working harder and doing better at school. The opinion that looks are basically the way to be part of the "cool" peoples group, is something that causes a lot of harm in society.

I definitely understand where you're coming from everyone is different and has different interests, but I also think it should be easy to see why it may bother others. In the end just be yourself and do what makes you happy.

Interesting. I look at this a bit differently than others I've spoken with and maybe more honestly but I haven't talked with LPers about it. I think both sexes are strongly attracted to each other in very similar ways. It's one of the ways we choose both male and female friends as we're naturally (sexually?) attracted to both and if they're good looking it just makes you like them more. It's a positive at the very least and that's just how we work. Nothing wrong with it. I think if you were to have a test subject stand in a booth behind a one way mirror then have a stream of people walk past him and with no other information than how they look he was to rate them based on how likely they would be friends then the more good looking ones will be picked almost always.

When it's with the same sex it's generally the case that you're not willing to act on it as most people aren't gay but it does make them more likeable to you because you're naturally attracted to good looking people and more so because they're also perceived to be more successful or likely to be etc therefore an asset to you. Depends on you how much you're willing to go out of your way for people like that but I notice a huge difference when I'm in shape, dressed well etc.. it is just too easy that it lowers/cheapens my outlook on life. Often I don't care about that though so I just dress less stylish etc because even though it does feel good to look good and be fit I recognise that people are being exploited by my appearance. I think it's very interesting to see how people value you once you dress badly or put on some weight. It's the same when a girl with big breasts wears a tight top, short skirt and fuckme boots and ends up getting way more attention than she would in less sexualised clothing. It's just too powerful of an image and people will give in to you way more which is an asset to be wielded in the real world.

When you put yourself out there you are bound to get mixed reaction. I believe it's worth it - when you're being yourself to a point where it's polarizing it weeds out the people you're incompatible with and strengthens the bound with the ones you truly connect with. That's what I think one should be doing in life and in blogging or any sort of media where you connect with people for that matter.

Obviously looks are important to you. There's nothing wrong with that. Some might say your blog post was vain, truth be told I believe it was a bit vain as well, but so what?

If we assume vanity is a display of lower consciousness then posting in someone's blog that that person is vain and then spending time and energy to make that person submit that he/she indeed is vain to me is even lower consciousness.

You seem really puzzled as to why I clicked on your blog. Of course, these things are unconscious, so I can't tell you with certainty the exact reason, but I'm quite sure it's because I saw the word 'inspiration'. It's just curiosity, really. I like to see what makes people tick. This is something that I have always been interested in. If you want to know exactly why I behave the way that I do in circumstances like these, watch this clip by George Carlin starting at around 3 mins until the end. I couldn't really put it any better. I'm a notebook kind of guy like he says, and this forum sometimes (quite rarely) happens to be my notebook.

On October 06 2014 10:34 tomson wrote: If we assume vanity is a display of lower consciousness then posting in someone's blog that that person is vain and then spending time and energy to make that person submit that he/she indeed is vain to me is even lower consciousness.

Of course you're right that it can be. It depends on the degree of attachment involved. If it's done with humor and detachment it's certainly not the case. It's a therapeutic thing for people like me; if we could no longer laugh at the freak show we'd end up killing ourselves.

doesn't everyone on this site hate loco?

the man who's opinion is never wrong, the righteous!

savior of the poker nerd, loco himself.

also at a risk of appearing to be biased on the situation heres a recent photo of joe ingram1

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Like I said to Joe in PM, this is an inane reproach. Nobody ever says anything believing that they are wrong. When you say that I think I'm always right, you're trying to be right yourself, it's unavoidable. It's empty criticism. If I'm wrong it's an opportunity to learn, so I would gladly be wrong about anything that I say. Why don't you engage something I said and show me how it's wrong like any real person with integrity would do? It's funny because I could bring up a bunch of character flaws of mine while this is the best you have, that I don't just talk shit about things that I know nothing of and actually believe what I'm saying. Wow, what an insight.

Maybe if you could read between the lines you would see that I'm just saying the way you gallivant around obnoxiously talking to people in the pursuit of being right is very annoying, as highlighted with your most recent reply.

sorry but is this a seinfeld episode because once loco joined the comments it's like a conversation about nothing

As always I've read the whole conversation and I will give my final judgement and final post on this matter (maybe I shouldn't but I will anyway).

I've looked at a bit of the video you posted loco, about the guy describing himself as being the guy sitting on the front row with a notebook of the freakshow and being able to take notes. Well unlike you, I do actually take notes, and I will decipher the whole Loco personality:

- you're not the guy taking notes of a freakshow. you're looking for threads, looking for ways where you can turn everything into a heated discussion, just so everyone can listen to almighty great Loco. Your view of a discussion is proving or rather forcing onto someone, that you're right. You will never change your views after a discussion, everything just has to be you forcing your will upon someone. As a result of this you never get to learn anything out of talking with someone (you're rather the opposite of what Joe was talking about in the OP, aka getting inspired by other people in different aspects)

- Since Joe is actually putting himself out there, and this the only stuff you can talk shit about is pretty sad. I'd like to make the assumption that your posts are only a glimpse of the man behind the monitor. So let me create an image of what your life looks like, and after this you can respond if that's reasonable or not.

- you probably have no friends, because of this obnoxious character treat where you have to be right every time and everything has to be turned into a heated discussion. Therefore you probably let it out online, which we can find in the amount you post (18k postcount). Aside from that you probably have no ambitions in life, and all day you just sit around watching videos of pseudo intellectual talk on youtube.

- now as always I'd like to end with something positive (as I am taking time to actually post this). So my advice to you is to try to get rid of this horrible character treat. If you'll get rid of it you'll probably have a better social life, and might get inspired by other people.

So it's all up to you what you decide to do with what I posted here. You can take parts out my post and quote them and go attack some highly irrelevant pieces of my post. Or..... you can take my advice and actually improve your life.

On October 06 2014 10:34 tomson wrote: Obviously looks are important to you. There's nothing wrong with that.

Looks have a certain degree of importance for everyone, we all agree. But I think it's fair to say that he was making a defense for excessive caring of one's appearance, not some common sense, "I need to look civilized" reasonable attempt to look decent and not scare people away. So I'm wondering, what makes you (or ggplz) say that there's nothing wrong with this and where do you guys draw the line? If someone spends $30,000 on surgery to look like Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber, as some people did, that's perfectly normal to you guys? I know some real thoughtful people will say "whatever man, live and let live... as long as it makes them happy!" but this is exactly the point of contention: what evidence is there to believe that it makes them happy? Just because they are free to do it and desired to do it and did it means that they are happy? Additionally, do you believe that they are building a healthy self-esteem by doing what it is that they are doing, or are they just filling something with a hole in it while being manipulated by popular culture and marketers?

Here's what I think is common sense. I think that this woman who wants to look like somebody else and keeps having surgeries is going to age like everybody else, and that her attachment to her beauty is going to cause her severe anguish as she'll realize at some point how misguided she was for investing so much on something that would just inevitably be taken away from her. She built a straw house. This same realization will hit everyone who excessively cared about what they look like, and the longer and the stronger they care about it, the more painful it's gonna be. I'm pretty sure you guys agree with me on this too, so I don't know why you're downplaying it here. Is it because Joe looks like a hurt puppy here?

I don't know about you ggplz, but if I was put in this hypothetical room of yours, I wouldn't want to befriend those people who wear their self-esteem. I'd wait to know if there is something real behind the façade. This whole thing is dumb. Our first impression of someone is huge, and their looks play a significant part in our judgment of them, but if we're not idiots we'll actually be aware of this programming and wait until we have more information in order to constrict our judgment. It's not the clothes, the hairspray and the small talk that will bring us anything meaningful. No glitter and sparkly toys ever built great relationships. If you need those things to catch someone's attention then personally I wouldn't want yours.

On October 06 2014 13:58 aernout wrote: As always I've read the whole conversation and I will give my final judgement and final post on this matter (maybe I shouldn't but I will anyway). - you're not the guy taking notes of a freakshow. you're looking for threads, looking for ways where you can turn everything into a heated discussion, just so everyone can listen to almighty great Loco.

Your judgment means nothing because you have accumulated zero evidence for any of the things you spout here and because you lost all credibility in the previous thread. You sir, great psychic that you are, claimed that I was a microstakes player who is just jealous of joe. That was my motive according to you. Once someone comes up with a lie like that it's easy for any intelligent person to dismiss the things they say after, so you are just wasting your time here.

I'm usually inactive on this site, I don't look for threads at all. To demonstrate just how full of shit you are, how about you find just ONE thread other than what started this where I have been engaging in a heated debate in the past 3 months. Any thread or any blog qualifies, including joe's previous entries. If the picture you are painting of me here is accurate and I'm some desperate guy who really needs to get into heated debates then this is extremely easy to find and post here for everyone to see. Quote me so that I can't cheat my way out of it. Come on now, let's see how great of a note-taker you are and how much integrity you have. I'm even going to help you since you were too stupid to look at my hands previously; you can use this filter to begin your hunt, it's in every section of the site. I hope you realize that this is your last chance to regain credibility here so no excuses are going to fly.

On October 06 2014 14:03 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2014 10:34 tomson wrote: Obviously looks are important to you. There's nothing wrong with that. Looks have a certain degree of importance for everyone, we all agree. But I think it's fair to say that he was making a defense for excessive caring of one's appearance, not some common sense, "I need to look civilized" reasonable attempt to look decent and not scare people away. So I'm wondering, what makes you (or ggplz) say that there's nothing wrong with this and where do you guys draw the line? If someone spends $30,000 on surgery to look like Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber, as some people did, that's perfectly normal to you guys? I know some real thoughtful people will say "whatever man, live and let live... as long as it makes them happy!" but this is exactly the point of contention: what evidence is there to believe that it makes them happy? Just because they are free to do it and desired to do it and did it means that they are happy? Additionally, do you believe that they are building a healthy self-esteem by doing what it is that they are doing, or are they just filling something with a hole in it while being manipulated by popular culture and marketers?

There's nothing wrong with it because that's just how we're built. We have to accept who we are as humans and it's natural to find other humans more attractive than others. Maybe for you personally it's not so much about looks and instead about intelligence (I think most people are obviously mixed) but when it comes to being more serious you would prefer your partner to look good, right? It's shallow but it's how people are and you can't fault them for it. They are victims of their own biology Most interactions in life are brief and generally your appearance play a huge % of the dialogue.

I think when you start talking about extreme surgeries etc the topic is warping a bit. It's in a whole different league than just working with what you have and trying to look your best. It is pretty vain but it's really a very small part of most peoples lives when they just take 5-10 mins to make themselves look presentable and pick out clothes for that day etc. Working out is healthy, makes you feel good and also makes people more attracted to you so I don't lump it together exactly. For some people the attraction part is why they do it, others just like how it feels and others like to "master their body" through training certain parts / bodybuilding. Tanning at a salon isn't something I do as I go outside but I understand why some people want that look. As a young guy looking to attract women those things are extremely effective so I do respect the strategy. I had a discussion earlier about if it's easier to attract your ideal partner by not caring about your looks and just being yourself or if you take care of your looks and dress sharp and we decided both can work but you aren't disadvantaged by taking care of yourself.

Here's what I think is common sense. I think that this woman who wants to look like somebody else and keeps having surgeries is going to age like everybody else, and that her attachment to her beauty is going to cause her severe anguish as she'll realize at some point how misguided she was for investing so much on something that would just inevitably be taken away from her. She built a straw house. This same realization will hit everyone who excessively cared about what they look like, and the longer and the stronger they care about it, the more painful it's gonna be. I'm pretty sure you guys agree with me on this too, so I don't know why you're downplaying it here. Is it because Joe looks like a hurt puppy here? I don't know about you ggplz, but if I was put in this hypothetical room of yours, I wouldn't want to befriend those people who wear their self-esteem. I'd wait to know if there is something real behind the façade. This whole thing is dumb. Our first impression of someone is huge, and their looks play a significant part in our judgment of them, but if we're not idiots we'll actually be aware of this programming and wait until we have more information in order to constrict our judgment. It's not the clothes, the hairspray and the small talk that will bring us anything meaningful. No glitter and sparky toys ever built great relationships. If you need those things to catch someone's attention then personally I wouldn't want yours.

No, I wouldn't either. Not only for that reason.. I'm just trying to show that by taking care of yourself you are advantaging yourself in society.

You can be advantaging yourself in society while disadvantaging yourself on a personal level. That's often the case, it becomes a trade-off. I think it's something to step back from and reflect upon as much as possible rather than be assimilated by. As Schopenhauer said, "We forfeit three-fourths of ourselves in order to be like other people."

On October 06 2014 14:03 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2014 10:34 tomson wrote: Obviously looks are important to you. There's nothing wrong with that. Looks have a certain degree of importance for everyone, we all agree. But I think it's fair to say that he was making a defense for excessive caring of one's appearance, not some common sense, "I need to look civilized" reasonable attempt to look decent and not scare people away. So I'm wondering, what makes you (or ggplz) say that there's nothing wrong with this and where do you guys draw the line? If someone spends $30,000 on surgery to look like Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber, as some people did, that's perfectly normal to you guys? I know some real thoughtful people will say "whatever man, live and let live... as long as it makes them happy!" but this is exactly the point of contention: what evidence is there to believe that it makes them happy? Just because they are free to do it and desired to do it and did it means that they are happy? Additionally, do you believe that they are building a healthy self-esteem by doing what it is that they are doing, or are they just filling something with a hole in it while being manipulated by popular culture and marketers? Here's what I think is common sense. I think that this woman who wants to look like somebody else and keeps having surgeries is going to age like everybody else, and that her attachment to her beauty is going to cause her severe anguish as she'll realize at some point how misguided she was for investing so much on something that would just inevitably be taken away from her. She built a straw house. This same realization will hit everyone who excessively cared about what they look like, and the longer and the stronger they care about it, the more painful it's gonna be. I'm pretty sure you guys agree with me on this too, so I don't know why you're downplaying it here. Is it because Joe looks like a hurt puppy here? I don't know about you ggplz, but if I was put in this hypothetical room of yours, I wouldn't want to befriend those people who wear their self-esteem. I'd wait to know if there is something real behind the façade. This whole thing is dumb. Our first impression of someone is huge, and their looks play a significant part in our judgment of them, but if we're not idiots we'll actually be aware of this programming and wait until we have more information in order to constrict our judgment. It's not the clothes, the hairspray and the small talk that will bring us anything meaningful. No glitter and sparky toys ever built great relationships. If you need those things to catch someone's attention then personally I wouldn't want yours.

Does that mean your exchange of words with Joey was out of concern that he's going down a misguided, futile path of vanity that will lead him to suffering later in life?

To me this is not an intellectual debate on the importance that society places on physical appearance. This is a story where a guy shared his views, deep or not, mature or not, positive in his intentions. And he got shit on by you in the comments. You mention humor - I saw cynical ridicule. You say detachment - I saw a man dead set to prove his point. You posted Carlin, but people laughed with Carlin. His comedy was harsh, but you could sense the intentions behind it were compassionate. I'm sorry, but I don't get that feeling with you.

Baiting us in with motivation and then telling us to go back in time and not click on it doesn't really work. I don't know you, Joe, my opinion of you is based on the things you write. What you wrote and the wording you used appeared negative to some of the readers. Taking a few moments to put your thoughts into words can avoid confusion. You are putting yourself, your ideas, emotions and feelings out there for scrutinization. Some people reading will already be dialled in at 9 when they start looking for an excuse to go off and explode. Surely this doesn't come as a surprise.

From the vlog it is apparent that it somehow got to you. Learn to take some banter, usually there's a little bit of truth in the best ones. You are an upbeat guy who is in shape and plowing through whatever you decide to take on. Ease up a little, everything isn't a personal vendetta against you. You put out content that people appreciate and it matters. Perhaps you have something to share with your target audience that will encourage their personal growth like how to get in shape and stay healthy, balancing poker with life, importance of being presentable, etc.

On October 06 2014 16:58 tomson wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2014 14:03 Loco wrote:   On October 06 2014 10:34 tomson wrote: Obviously looks are important to you. There's nothing wrong with that. Looks have a certain degree of importance for everyone, we all agree. But I think it's fair to say that he was making a defense for excessive caring of one's appearance, not some common sense, "I need to look civilized" reasonable attempt to look decent and not scare people away. So I'm wondering, what makes you (or ggplz) say that there's nothing wrong with this and where do you guys draw the line? If someone spends $30,000 on surgery to look like Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber, as some people did, that's perfectly normal to you guys? I know some real thoughtful people will say "whatever man, live and let live... as long as it makes them happy!" but this is exactly the point of contention: what evidence is there to believe that it makes them happy? Just because they are free to do it and desired to do it and did it means that they are happy? Additionally, do you believe that they are building a healthy self-esteem by doing what it is that they are doing, or are they just filling something with a hole in it while being manipulated by popular culture and marketers? Here's what I think is common sense. I think that this woman who wants to look like somebody else and keeps having surgeries is going to age like everybody else, and that her attachment to her beauty is going to cause her severe anguish as she'll realize at some point how misguided she was for investing so much on something that would just inevitably be taken away from her. She built a straw house. This same realization will hit everyone who excessively cared about what they look like, and the longer and the stronger they care about it, the more painful it's gonna be. I'm pretty sure you guys agree with me on this too, so I don't know why you're downplaying it here. Is it because Joe looks like a hurt puppy here? I don't know about you ggplz, but if I was put in this hypothetical room of yours, I wouldn't want to befriend those people who wear their self-esteem. I'd wait to know if there is something real behind the façade. This whole thing is dumb. Our first impression of someone is huge, and their looks play a significant part in our judgment of them, but if we're not idiots we'll actually be aware of this programming and wait until we have more information in order to constrict our judgment. It's not the clothes, the hairspray and the small talk that will bring us anything meaningful. No glitter and sparky toys ever built great relationships. If you need those things to catch someone's attention then personally I wouldn't want yours. Does that mean your exchange of words with Joey was out of concern that he's going down a misguided, futile path of vanity that will lead him to suffering later in life? To me this is not an intellectual debate on the importance that society places on physical appearance. This is a story where a guy shared his views, deep or not, mature or not, positive in his intentions. And he got shit on by you in the comments. You mention humor - I saw cynical ridicule. You say detachment - I saw a man dead set to prove his point. You posted Carlin, but people laughed with Carlin. His comedy was harsh, but you could sense the intentions behind it were compassionate. I'm sorry, but I don't get that feeling with you.

I didn't claim that I care, but maybe deep down I do. Maybe the ridicule is a defense mechanism to prevent me from going insane because I care too much about the state of things. It's not for me to decide and I won't try to sway people to believe one way or another. But Carlin explicitly stated that he didn't care. Listen to his words carefully. He said he had no stake in anything, no emotional involvement. He did not propose solutions and was not trying to change people. You obviously have a false perception of him as well as an incomplete picture of me. But yes, I am a cynical, fatalistic asshole like him. He expended a lot of effort to make you laugh so you give him a free ride, that's all.

Edit : nvm

Fuck the haters. Keep doing you.

As long as you're not hurting anyone and you're happy with your life, continue on the same path until you feel the need to change.

On October 06 2014 05:52 Nazgul wrote: You are right that success/attractiveness that sort of thing attracts others that are similar. It's also true that looking good makes most if not all feel good about themselves. For one thing being in shape means your body is more healthy which is good for your mind too, but in general people just enjoy looking good and feeling attractive. I'm also pretty sure that Loco and whoever else that posted cares enough about looks to have an opinion about what sort of looks they like in a girl. Everyone prefers to have a girlfriend that looks good over one that is 300lbs. Nobody is completely unaffected by the interests you described and we all participate in it to some extent. That said I think that you hit a nerve with a lot of people with those comments. The reason for this is that despite all of this being true, it's almost disgusting how important looks are in our world. Everyone to some extent has to be a part of it whether they want it or not. If you want to find a nice girl you need to take care of yourself. If you want to find a good job you need to take care of yourself. It is something that a lot of people often question. A lot of us would prefer to live in a society that resembles more of a meritocracy. Think of kids at primary school who pick on others who don't look the same/popular, despite the person being picked on possibly working harder and doing better at school. The opinion that looks are basically the way to be part of the "cool" peoples group, is something that causes a lot of harm in society. I definitely understand where you're coming from everyone is different and has different interests, but I also think it should be easy to see why it may bother others. In the end just be yourself and do what makes you happy.

On October 06 2014 05:23 ggplz wrote: Respect dude. It doesn't get more real than sticking yourself out there like that and vblogs are good fun. I dunno, depends how u feel ofc but that 5 min vid took me back to the old prop betting days when you played 50k hands in 24 hours and kept posting on LP. It rocked. I don't care about the tan posts at all really but I have a few thoughts about it. People are extremely affected by how you look, present and take care of yourself. It's kinda sad but it's the reality of the world and it matters to almost everyone even if they don't want it to. If you look sharp and take care of yourself you have a huge advantage over other people and are more likely to be close to others. That works on guys too (nohomo) as with your friend Asher for example, it made you want to hang out and learn more about his swag, right? Think what other friends/players are looking to you for as well. It probably helps you now on the podcasts + connecting with people and also your demographic is mostly hungry young dudes interested in a bit of banter anyways so it's all fun really. It's good and bad though because it can attract people who only want those more superficial qualities and not the real you. Keep on doing what your doing, it's awesome and lots of ppl appreciate the podcasts.

Great posts, Nazgul you put it way better than I ever could

On October 06 2014 19:13 PuertoRican wrote: Fuck the haters. Keep doing you. As long as you're not hurting anyone and you're happy with your life, continue on the same path until you feel the need to change.

On October 06 2014 17:12 cariadon wrote: Baiting us in with motivation and then telling us to go back in time and not click on it doesn't really work. I don't know you, Joe, my opinion of you is based on the things you write. What you wrote and the wording you used appeared negative to some of the readers. Taking a few moments to put your thoughts into words can avoid confusion. You are putting yourself, your ideas, emotions and feelings out there for scrutinization. Some people reading will already be dialled in at 9 when they start looking for an excuse to go off and explode. Surely this doesn't come as a surprise. From the vlog it is apparent that it somehow got to you. Learn to take some banter, usually there's a little bit of truth in the best ones. You are an upbeat guy who is in shape and plowing through whatever you decide to take on. Ease up a little, everything isn't a personal vendetta against you. You put out content that people appreciate and it matters. Perhaps you have something to share with your target audience that will encourage their personal growth like how to get in shape and stay healthy, balancing poker with life, importance of being presentable, etc.

If I post something or make a video blog or do a livestream it means getting to me but when someone else expands much more energy at the same time its banter? If someone is trying to attack me and I respond, you and other guy seem to assume this means omg we are getting to him we are getting to him, lighten up Joe, deal with it etc (ffs this sentence is going to get him to post another 50 sentences I'm not going to read)

Motivation works differently for everybody, I know there was at least one person who read what I initially wrote and it motivated them to look at things a bit different. We ended up having a great discussion about it.

didnt watch the video so don't know what all the fuss is about, but like the hair game

On October 06 2014 10:34 tomson wrote: When you put yourself out there you are bound to get mixed reaction. I believe it's worth it - when you're being yourself to a point where it's polarizing it weeds out the people you're incompatible with and strengthens the bound with the ones you truly connect with. That's what I think one should be doing in life and in blogging or any sort of media where you connect with people for that matter. Obviously looks are important to you. There's nothing wrong with that. Some might say your blog post was vain, truth be told I believe it was a bit vain as well, but so what? If we assume vanity is a display of lower consciousness then posting in someone's blog that that person is vain and then spending time and energy to make that person submit that he/she indeed is vain to me is even lower consciousness.

Great point about being polarizing. I've been reading something I really enjoy that went a more into this idea and its saying I've done naturally I think for a bit of time now

responding to the part of the video about promoting your blog, image, etc. since i'm the one who brought it up in the other post: i never said you weren't being yourself, i don't think "being yourself" and promoting yourself have to be mutually exclusive things. i also don't think there's anything wrong with promoting yourself a bit. basically it just feels like you're not putting much effort into the content, like being a lazy poorly thought-out version of yourself.

i mean i've posted plenty of blogs that were way dumber than yours, but they were either drunk blogs or intentionally dumb/silly. when you make a title like "Finding Inspiration in Others" you build up some sort of expectation. and when out of all the possible examples out there, you talk about tanning/hair/etc, it really does come off as shallow...because it is. even if they're just examples and not the only things you care about, the fact that you chose them comes off badly.

anyway i'm not interested in getting emotionally invested in some ego war. i thought your blogpost was pretty dumb and annoying, i don't think it makes you the anti-christ or whatever. i've listened to a couple of your podcasts and thought they were enjoyable. you definitely come off better on video.

+1 on great post by nazgul, i wish he would post more on his own site

On October 06 2014 13:20 Santafairy wrote: sorry but is this a seinfeld episode because once loco joined the comments it's like a conversation about nothing

hhah i dont really agree with it but thanks loved the quote :D

On October 06 2014 19:13 PuertoRican wrote: Fuck the haters. Keep doing you. As long as you're not hurting anyone and you're happy with your life, continue on the same path until you feel the need to change.

If you don't expend the necessary energy in the right direction, there isn't going to be a you, only a contrived product of a society in ruin. No one gets to be someone unless they are critical and actively guard themselves against assimilating all the crap they have been fed all their lives.

I watched this movie a couple days ago, and coincidentally this scene is highly relevant to this. I recommend everyone who posted here to watch this to understand where I'm coming from.

cool, will check that out

On October 06 2014 20:31 Joeingram1 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2014 17:12 cariadon wrote: Baiting us in with motivation and then telling us to go back in time and not click on it doesn't really work. I don't know you, Joe, my opinion of you is based on the things you write. What you wrote and the wording you used appeared negative to some of the readers. Taking a few moments to put your thoughts into words can avoid confusion. You are putting yourself, your ideas, emotions and feelings out there for scrutinization. Some people reading will already be dialled in at 9 when they start looking for an excuse to go off and explode. Surely this doesn't come as a surprise. From the vlog it is apparent that it somehow got to you. Learn to take some banter, usually there's a little bit of truth in the best ones. You are an upbeat guy who is in shape and plowing through whatever you decide to take on. Ease up a little, everything isn't a personal vendetta against you. You put out content that people appreciate and it matters. Perhaps you have something to share with your target audience that will encourage their personal growth like how to get in shape and stay healthy, balancing poker with life, importance of being presentable, etc. If I post something or make a video blog or do a livestream it means getting to me but when someone else expands much more energy at the same time its banter? If someone is trying to attack me and I respond, you and other guy seem to assume this means omg we are getting to him we are getting to him, lighten up Joe, deal with it etc (ffs this sentence is going to get him to post another 50 sentences I'm not going to read) Motivation works differently for everybody, I know there was at least one person who read what I initially wrote and it motivated them to look at things a bit different. We ended up having a great discussion about it.

You are visibly annoyed in the video blog, did you cry before or after recording it? No use writing further words because you already found the warm embrace of sympathy. You are doing a good job believing what you want to with zero tolerance for any criticism. Drama queen. Oh ffs now Joe will probably send me PMs with "lolololol" and punching people. Thanks for being such an inspiration, peace.

On October 07 2014 02:37 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2014 19:13 PuertoRican wrote: Fuck the haters. Keep doing you. As long as you're not hurting anyone and you're happy with your life, continue on the same path until you feel the need to change. If you don't expend the necessary energy in the right direction, there isn't going to be a you, only a contrived product of a society in ruin. No one gets to be someone unless they are critical and actively guard themselves against assimilating all the crap they have been fed all their lives. I watched this movie a couple days ago, and coincidentally this scene is highly relevant to this. I recommend everyone who posted here to watch this to understand where I'm coming from.

nice i liked this clip. i'm "acquiring" this film right now

if you know what i mean

lol cariadon might be the best poster on this site. careful cariadon you might be called a jelly nl2 grinder now.

Rainkhan, be forewarned that the movie is pretty depressing. Solo watching definitely recommended. I'd say essential, even.

I like Joe.

I like any tomson post about any subject.

Artificial tanning is gay and ugly.

That's what I care to add to the discussions.

On October 07 2014 15:48 cariadon wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2014 20:31 Joeingram1 wrote:   On October 06 2014 17:12 cariadon wrote: Baiting us in with motivation and then telling us to go back in time and not click on it doesn't really work. I don't know you, Joe, my opinion of you is based on the things you write. What you wrote and the wording you used appeared negative to some of the readers. Taking a few moments to put your thoughts into words can avoid confusion. You are putting yourself, your ideas, emotions and feelings out there for scrutinization. Some people reading will already be dialled in at 9 when they start looking for an excuse to go off and explode. Surely this doesn't come as a surprise. From the vlog it is apparent that it somehow got to you. Learn to take some banter, usually there's a little bit of truth in the best ones. You are an upbeat guy who is in shape and plowing through whatever you decide to take on. Ease up a little, everything isn't a personal vendetta against you. You put out content that people appreciate and it matters. Perhaps you have something to share with your target audience that will encourage their personal growth like how to get in shape and stay healthy, balancing poker with life, importance of being presentable, etc. If I post something or make a video blog or do a livestream it means getting to me but when someone else expands much more energy at the same time its banter? If someone is trying to attack me and I respond, you and other guy seem to assume this means omg we are getting to him we are getting to him, lighten up Joe, deal with it etc (ffs this sentence is going to get him to post another 50 sentences I'm not going to read) Motivation works differently for everybody, I know there was at least one person who read what I initially wrote and it motivated them to look at things a bit different. We ended up having a great discussion about it. You are visibly annoyed in the video blog, did you cry before or after recording it? No use writing further words because you already found the warm embrace of sympathy. You are doing a good job believing what you want to with zero tolerance for any criticism. Drama queen. Oh ffs now Joe will probably send me PMs with "lolololol" and punching people. Thanks for being such an inspiration, peace.

Constructive criticism I get often, someone coming into a post and talking shit isn't that. I like how a person can come say you can't take this/that, then says I cried and calls me a drama queen. Im sure if someone started calling you names like you are doing right now, you wouldn't take it as well without some type of response.I am a drama queen because I engaged in a back and forth with someone who came to add nothing positive to the discussion. I shouldn't have gotten into anything in the first place and I will think about some of the things that have been said and see how I can possibly change my mindset for the better. You guys have inspired me to blog more, thank you for reading in the future

Because someone was not inspired by your post and didn't thank you or praise you does not mean they were talking shit or not adding anything positive (especially in retrospect). These things are separate. You see those things in a very overly simplistic way because you were only concerned about your ego when you made the post and arguably still are. Not everything is about your ego. Not everyone is either a lover or a hater. The truth is that sometimes people need to hear harsh things which are not pleasant for their egos and which have a positive value down the road if they care to reflect on them. I'm not saying that was my initial intent, though fwiw I did bother spending some time expressing my genuine thoughts on the matter afterwards.

The fact that it made you react at all is positive, because it means there was truth to what I said. No one reacts strongly to things which they know for certain to be untrue. We are only vulnerable when we have doubts, and it's easy to see you became vulnerable. And I know that personally, the people from whom I've learned the most on this website (and elsewhere) have been people who weren't particularly nice to me or at the very least they didn't stroke my ego.

None of this justifies my own behavior in any way, I'm fully aware that mockery is an indulgence of mine and that my style is going to be obnoxious for anyone who is very attached to their self-image. I will not deny those charges but I'm also not going to be pandering to anyone's ego and only provide criticism as if the people on here are young children who need to be treated delicately.

thanks to loco there are more soul reads in joeingram's blog comments than probably in bobby's room

inb4 i get crucified by Joe's fans ( and your blogs/podcasts are mostly fun ) im gonna say that anything that Loco has written is true
if you don't see that you should probably hire a life coach or something

while what he said might all be true/false

lol i need a life coach to help me on how to be successful and how to live life? (insert thing iyo i need a life coach for, who the fuck doesn't need a life coach for something )

life coaches have it all figured out? I talk to a couple people who are considered life coaches. I can't imagine what you guys would say in the comments of these peoples blogs if they were open/honest with there thoughts

pretty sure stroggoz was joking and not making a real suggestion. I think he meant it in a way that if you haven't figured those things out yet you might as well be one of those people who are desperate enough to hire a life coach. of course life coaches are full of shit.

we somehow have found one thing we agree on

having a couple days to think about it, even if I thought your initial feedback was only coming from a hostile place meant to upset me, I still should be able to consider everything that might be said while trying not to let it effect me much if I decide I don't agree with it. I'm sure in the future I will continue to deal with sometimes not the nicest things said but I should get better at the way i take it in/handle it/respond. If not responding at all in the future is best, then I should consider trying that but I do need to remember to keep an open mind no matter what

On October 08 2014 06:57 Loco wrote: Because someone was not inspired by your post and didn't thank you or praise you does not mean they were talking shit or not adding anything positive (especially in retrospect). These things are separate. You see those things in a very overly simplistic way because you were only concerned about your ego when you made the post and arguably still are. Not everything is about your ego. Not everyone is either a lover or a hater. The truth is that sometimes people need to hear harsh things which are not pleasant for their egos and which have a positive value down the road if they care to reflect on them. I'm not saying that was my initial intent, though fwiw I did bother spending some time expressing my genuine thoughts on the matter afterwards. The fact that it made you react at all is positive, because it means there was truth to what I said. No one reacts strongly to things which they know for certain to be untrue. We are only vulnerable when we have doubts, and it's easy to see you became vulnerable. And I know that personally, the people from whom I've learned the most on this website (and elsewhere) have been people who weren't particularly nice to me or at the very least they didn't stroke my ego. None of this justifies my own behavior in any way, I'm fully aware that mockery is an indulgence of mine and that my style is going to be obnoxious for anyone who is very attached to their self-image. I will not deny those charges but I'm also not going to be pandering to anyone's ego and only provide criticism as if the people on here are young children who need to be treated delicately.

It is the adult who mocks people who is acting like a child. Not the other way around.

Oh, please. As if nothing nobody ever says is worthy of ridicule. This was exactly my point; expecting this kind of delicateness on a mature public forum is absurd. Also there is a distinction here and it is that I wasn't mocking him any more than I was laughing at what he said and teased him for it. People encouraging tolerance make it seem like it's actually harmful to laugh at what someone says or believes, whereas in reality it's up to the person to take it personally or not. People harm themselves by attaching themselves to what they said. We are not our beliefs and our beliefs do change over time-- so it's not a personal attack against someone to laugh at one of their present statements/beliefs. I think most people would agree that as adults we can distance ourselves from that whereas children can't, so we do expect children to be treated differently and more delicately.

It's funny to think how easy it is for people to justify our superficiality when it comes to how much we care about appearance because "it's natural", whereas something just as natural-- laughing at what somebody says-- is met with such forceful resistance. It's also quite obvious that I was trying to be humorous more than I was harsh. In fact I think that with only one exception towards the end of that thread, nothing I said was particularly harsh at all.

As the father of LP I guess I understand your position and how you would much prefer the atmosphere of your website to remain harmonious, but I think that you're exaggerating here. "Let's always be gentle and tolerant of others" (except when they are not as tolerant as we want them to be ).

On October 09 2014 06:28 Joeingram1 wrote: while what he said might all be true/false lol i need a life coach to help me on how to be successful and how to live life? (insert thing iyo i need a life coach for, who the fuck doesn't need a life coach for something ) life coaches have it all figured out? I talk to a couple people who are considered life coaches. I can't imagine what you guys would say in the comments of these peoples blogs if they were open/honest with there thoughts

i made my point by saying my opinion first and then putting a troll comment about the life coach, you take things too seriously too imo, doesnt matter how wrong/right Loco is, you could be the shallowest person and still improve and be happy and etc etc. in the end this is just the internet, why would u care so much we re just a bunch of guys that know almost nothing about you, anyways i can say Loco is def smarter and you entered in an argument you were bound to lose in the end,
basically a lose-lose situation since a) you win argument - loco doesnt give a fuck b) you lose argument loco still doesnt give a shit except you do
loco admitted multiple times he s just doing it for the fun, plus he loves poking people and observing their reaction, I being the same person myself except somewhat of an amateur compared to him can say that nothing you say will make you feel like you re on top

Fuyck all bitches ain't loyal this freak show world is bullshit

On October 06 2014 17:29 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On October 06 2014 16:58 tomson wrote:   On October 06 2014 14:03 Loco wrote:   On October 06 2014 10:34 tomson wrote: Obviously looks are important to you. There's nothing wrong with that. Looks have a certain degree of importance for everyone, we all agree. But I think it's fair to say that he was making a defense for excessive caring of one's appearance, not some common sense, "I need to look civilized" reasonable attempt to look decent and not scare people away. So I'm wondering, what makes you (or ggplz) say that there's nothing wrong with this and where do you guys draw the line? If someone spends $30,000 on surgery to look like Kim Kardashian or Justin Bieber, as some people did, that's perfectly normal to you guys? I know some real thoughtful people will say "whatever man, live and let live... as long as it makes them happy!" but this is exactly the point of contention: what evidence is there to believe that it makes them happy? Just because they are free to do it and desired to do it and did it means that they are happy? Additionally, do you believe that they are building a healthy self-esteem by doing what it is that they are doing, or are they just filling something with a hole in it while being manipulated by popular culture and marketers? Here's what I think is common sense. I think that this woman who wants to look like somebody else and keeps having surgeries is going to age like everybody else, and that her attachment to her beauty is going to cause her severe anguish as she'll realize at some point how misguided she was for investing so much on something that would just inevitably be taken away from her. She built a straw house. This same realization will hit everyone who excessively cared about what they look like, and the longer and the stronger they care about it, the more painful it's gonna be. I'm pretty sure you guys agree with me on this too, so I don't know why you're downplaying it here. Is it because Joe looks like a hurt puppy here? I don't know about you ggplz, but if I was put in this hypothetical room of yours, I wouldn't want to befriend those people who wear their self-esteem. I'd wait to know if there is something real behind the façade. This whole thing is dumb. Our first impression of someone is huge, and their looks play a significant part in our judgment of them, but if we're not idiots we'll actually be aware of this programming and wait until we have more information in order to constrict our judgment. It's not the clothes, the hairspray and the small talk that will bring us anything meaningful. No glitter and sparky toys ever built great relationships. If you need those things to catch someone's attention then personally I wouldn't want yours. Does that mean your exchange of words with Joey was out of concern that he's going down a misguided, futile path of vanity that will lead him to suffering later in life? To me this is not an intellectual debate on the importance that society places on physical appearance. This is a story where a guy shared his views, deep or not, mature or not, positive in his intentions. And he got shit on by you in the comments. You mention humor - I saw cynical ridicule. You say detachment - I saw a man dead set to prove his point. You posted Carlin, but people laughed with Carlin. His comedy was harsh, but you could sense the intentions behind it were compassionate. I'm sorry, but I don't get that feeling with you. I didn't claim that I care, but maybe deep down I do. Maybe the ridicule is a defense mechanism to prevent me from going insane because I care too much about the state of things. It's not for me to decide and I won't try to sway people to believe one way or another. But Carlin explicitly stated that he didn't care. Listen to his words carefully. He said he had no stake in anything, no emotional involvement. He did not propose solutions and was not trying to change people. You obviously have a false perception of him as well as an incomplete picture of me. But yes, I am a cynical, fatalistic asshole like him. He expended a lot of effort to make you laugh so you give him a free ride, that's all.

Loco your issue is that you are always looking at ghostmen and asking them to stand in for you. Your behavior is natural (and womanly) and until this behavior is brought into awareness, then you may get interested in learning how it functions (in an artful, philosophical way) or you may do any number of other things. I'm already dead.

On October 09 2014 12:11 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2014 06:28 Joeingram1 wrote: while what he said might all be true/false lol i need a life coach to help me on how to be successful and how to live life? (insert thing iyo i need a life coach for, who the fuck doesn't need a life coach for something ) life coaches have it all figured out? I talk to a couple people who are considered life coaches. I can't imagine what you guys would say in the comments of these peoples blogs if they were open/honest with there thoughts basically a lose-lose situation since a) you win argument - loco doesnt give a fuck b) you lose argument loco still doesnt give a shit except you do

To Joe's credit, he understood this pretty fast I think. It's why he asked me to get on his livestream. I imagine he thought it would force me to give a shit and that he would do better in that environment.

On October 06 2014 05:52 Nazgul wrote: You are right that success/attractiveness that sort of thing attracts others that are similar. It's also true that looking good makes most if not all feel good about themselves. For one thing being in shape means your body is more healthy which is good for your mind too, but in general people just enjoy looking good and feeling attractive. I'm also pretty sure that Loco and whoever else that posted cares enough about looks to have an opinion about what sort of looks they like in a girl. Everyone prefers to have a girlfriend that looks good over one that is 300lbs. Nobody is completely unaffected by the interests you described and we all participate in it to some extent. That said I think that you hit a nerve with a lot of people with those comments. The reason for this is that despite all of this being true, it's almost disgusting how important looks are in our world. Everyone to some extent has to be a part of it whether they want it or not. If you want to find a nice girl you need to take care of yourself. If you want to find a good job you need to take care of yourself. It is something that a lot of people often question. A lot of us would prefer to live in a society that resembles more of a meritocracy. Think of kids at primary school who pick on others who don't look the same/popular, despite the person being picked on possibly working harder and doing better at school. The opinion that looks are basically the way to be part of the "cool" peoples group, is something that causes a lot of harm in society. I definitely understand where you're coming from everyone is different and has different interests, but I also think it should be easy to see why it may bother others. In the end just be yourself and do what makes you happy.

felt same way for a long time, well said sir.

joe we love ur blogs never stop

I wish I knew about this sooner. Just got linked to gomuk's podcasts.. well done joey, ur truly a legend and this is what we needed. I am slowly catching up while listening to your voice to bed

On October 09 2014 09:35 Loco wrote: Oh, please. As if nothing nobody ever says is worthy of ridicule. This was exactly my point; expecting this kind of delicateness on a mature public forum is absurd. Also there is a distinction here and it is that I wasn't mocking him any more than I was laughing at what he said and teased him for it. People encouraging tolerance make it seem like it's actually harmful to laugh at what someone says or believes, whereas in reality it's up to the person to take it personally or not. People harm themselves by attaching themselves to what they said. We are not our beliefs and our beliefs do change over time-- so it's not a personal attack against someone to laugh at one of their present statements/beliefs. I think most people would agree that as adults we can distance ourselves from that whereas children can't, so we do expect children to be treated differently and more delicately. It's funny to think how easy it is for people to justify our superficiality when it comes to how much we care about appearance because "it's natural", whereas something just as natural-- laughing at what somebody says-- is met with such forceful resistance. It's also quite obvious that I was trying to be humorous more than I was harsh. In fact I think that with only one exception towards the end of that thread, nothing I said was particularly harsh at all. As the father of LP I guess I understand your position and how you would much prefer the atmosphere of your website to remain harmonious, but I think that you're exaggerating here. "Let's always be gentle and tolerant of others" (except when they are not as tolerant as we want them to be ).

I thought you weren't into the whole free will thing..