collegesucks United States. Jul 08 2014 01:59. Posts 5780
The biggest event in the history of eSports begins today. With a prize pool of $10.5 million and a first place prize of $4.8 million, each member of the winning team will claim the top spots for the most money made in not just DotA but ALL of eSports!
This is the most stacked DotA tournament I've ever seen. If the last year's finals were any indication, with titans like iG, DK, NewBee, Alliance, Na`Vi, and EG all vying for the top spot, this year's tourney is sure to present some great, action-packed games and some intense BO3, BO5 series.
Even if you don't know much about DotA, this event will surely be an entertaining event to witness at the exclusive newbie stream here!
See for yourself at the main English twitch.tv stream here. Coverage begins 10 hours from now at 9am PDT with 4 teams who earned a seat to the play-in series competing for the last available slot for the 16-team playoff series. More details about the tournament structure can be found here and at our own Team Liquid DotA site here.
1. Vici Gaming 7-1
2. Team DK 6-3
3. Invictus Gaming 6-3
4. Evil Geniuses 6-3
5. Natus Vincere EU 5-3
6. Titan 5-4
7. Cloud9 5-4
8. Team Liquid 5-4
9. Newbee 5-5
10. The Alliance 4-5
11. Fnatic 4-5
12. Natus Vincere US 4-5
13. Team Empire 3-6
14. LGD Gaming 3-6
15. mousesports 2-7
16. Arrow Gaming 2-8
Vici Gaming pulling out way ahead, but they have yet to play against the top tier teams (other than Newbee, who they beat). Clearly, momentum is on their side but tomorrow, they face DK, EG, Alliance, Liquid, and C9, all teams with potential to defeat them.
The struggles of Alliance and Newbee are particularly noteworthy. One is a returning champion and the other is a remake of an old Chinese powerhouse, but both teams are hanging on for dear life at spots 9 and 10, which is the cutoff for this phase of the International. Tomorrow is a critical day for them as well---they need to secure much needed victories to gain momentum going into the final day of the round robins.
Personal picks for games to watch for each series tomorrow:
19. DK vs Vici (though Fnatic vs iG, if not a stomp by iG, should be a REALLY good game)
20. Arrow vs Fnatic (Arrow, Empire, and mouz have little hope of advancing, but Arrow can potentially take a game off of Fnatic and cement Fnatic's place in the bottom half of the standings. I was thinking of watching DK vs Titan, but the game feels like it's going to dramatically favor DK)
21. EG vs Vici (Will Vici's momentum hold out or will EG, a top tier team, finally put a stop to their fantastic 7-1 run? Also, iG vs Liquid should be fairly interesting as Liquid has been performing out of their mind vs the top tier teams)
22. Na`Vi vs Liquid (Liquid fanboyism coming through here, though it's really important for Alliance to take a game away from Vici to keep their hopes alive)
23. Na`Vi vs DK (While Na`Vi has been appearing weaker lately, this is still a good, old-fashioned East meets West confrontation, though if Alliance wins vs Vici in the previous game, I might opt to watch Alliance vs C9 instead)
24. Liquid vs Vici (Hands down the most interesting game out of the 4 in this hour)
25. Newbee vs DK (This should showcase the best of Chinese dota and give Newbee a chance to redeem themselves for their lackluster run so far by beating DK, a feat they've accomplished several times before. C9 vs iG should also be a great match to watch, if Newbee somehow fucks up vs Na`Vi.NA and Arrow Gaming, I'm dumping them for the C9 game 100%)
26. EG vs Na`Vi.NA (The best of North America clashes here. While Na`Vi.NA's record isn't that great, they did take a game off of iG, so they are clearly still a potential threat take a game off of even the best of the best. Liquid vs Alliance would be my second choice)
27. Vici vs C9 (I feel like I haven't given C9 enough love. They run some unconventional lineups/strategies and the individual players have so much color and skill that they almost always deserve a mention. Honestly though, this series is really tough to decide without watching the games leading up to it. I could definitely watch iG vs Na`Vi or Liquid vs Titan instead. Hell, if Liquid starts winning their first two games, I might just end up watching every single game by Liquid this day)
1. Vici Gaming 12-3 advances to main event
2. Evil Geniuses 11-4 advances to main event
3. Team DK 10-5 advances to phase three
4. Invictus Gaming 9-6 advances to phase three
5. Cloud 9 8-7 advances to phase three
5. Team Liquid 8-7 advances to phase three
5. Natus Vincere 8-7 advances to phase three
5. Titan 8-7 advances to phase three
9. Newbee 7-8 3 way tiebreaker, advances to phase three
9. LGD Gaming 7-8 3 way tiebreaker, advances to phase three 9. Mousesports 7-83 way tiebreaker, eliminated 12. Fnatic 6-9 12. Alliance 6-9 12. Team Empire 6-9 15. Na'Vi North America 5-10 16. Arrow Gaming 2-13
collegesucks United States. Jul 08 2014 08:53. Posts 5780
On July 08 2014 05:01 Highcard wrote:
where did the prize pool money come from
Valve put up like 1.5 mil and then the rest are player contributions. People bought a $10 compendium for the tournament that could be leveled up for items and other in-game bonuses and $2.50 of that were added to the prize pool. Some people also paid extra to level up the compendium quicker and 25% of all those purchases were added to the pool as well.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 08 2014 15:22. Posts 4080
tidehunter sick hero
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collegesucks United States. Jul 08 2014 15:30. Posts 5780
On July 08 2014 13:34 napoleono wrote:
What happened to alliance?
From what I've seen, the Chinese teams have been drafting better lanes and ganking setups, with overall better skirmish executions.
But Alliance still boasts the ability to pull out perfect teamfights after being 20k gold/exp behind that leads to an all in base push and an unparalleled rat dota strategy so you can never count them out of the running.
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collegesucks United States. Jul 08 2014 15:31. Posts 5780
On July 08 2014 14:22 RaiNKhAN wrote:
tidehunter sick hero
Yep, some teams are first banning tide vs certain teams
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collegesucks United States. Jul 08 2014 15:41. Posts 5780
Holy shit MVP for ti4 one time!!
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 08 2014 15:41. Posts 4080
a wild riki has appeared
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CrownRoyal United States. Jul 08 2014 15:41. Posts 11385
i think liquid already won.
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CrownRoyal United States. Jul 08 2014 15:42. Posts 11385
cis gonna lose 2 lanes really badly
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Chewits United Kingdom. Jul 08 2014 16:01. Posts 2539
Looks like Liquid will win this. MVP vs Liquid gonna be a great series. I think MVP might just upset this and its gonna be epic with Korean team in TI4.
On July 08 2014 03:45 Into Infinity wrote:
EG DK and IG are the big three to watch out for
hoping for an EG victory this year to put NA on the map.
and nazgul, please please PLEASE get someone to replace TC, i don't think liquid will ever be a top competitor with TC as captain
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guess i'm not with the times. does bulba do the drafting now?
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 08 2014 16:53. Posts 4080
liquid is a sizeable favorite to take this 1
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 08 2014 17:29. Posts 4080
ut oh mvp makin comeback
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collegesucks United States. Jul 08 2014 17:42. Posts 5780
Pretty shit draft by MVP. Gives away Dire Lycan along with Bat and Shadow Shaman and Death Prophet with no antipush whatsoever lol. Surprised the game even lasted this long.
On July 08 2014 14:22 RaiNKhAN wrote:
tidehunter sick hero
Yep, some teams are first banning tide vs certain teams
why the resurgence of tidehunter do you think? bkbs even more crucial in these 5 man line up meta nO?
He received huge buffs for anchor smash in 6.81, allowing bigger damage reduction and making it work vs. ancient creeps (8x ancient stacks nom nom nom). In 6.80 his kraken shell dmg block was increased and debuff removal threshold was also lowered. Blink manacost was removed, and the creep wave equilibrium was rebalanced in favor of the offlane.
Now he's pretty much unkillable and gets his core items and level up so fast that he's almost always worth considering for a ban or a pick now.
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collegesucks United States. Jul 08 2014 18:13. Posts 5780
not sure why MVP sent a shitty naga trilane aggressive here over sending void off
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 08 2014 18:33. Posts 4080
On July 08 2014 17:13 collegesucks wrote:
not sure why MVP bothered showing up
fyp
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Into Infinity United States. Jul 08 2014 18:42. Posts 1884
liquid HWAITINGggggggggggggggg
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 08 2014 18:44. Posts 4080
ragdolling
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PoorUser United States. Jul 08 2014 18:46. Posts 7471
hooooooray
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 08 2014 18:59. Posts 4080
with a dry cool wit like that i could be an actor someday
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On July 08 2014 05:01 Highcard wrote:
where did the prize pool money come from
Valve put up like 1.5 mil and then the rest are player contributions. People bought a $10 compendium for the tournament that could be leveled up for items and other in-game bonuses and $2.50 of that were added to the prize pool. Some people also paid extra to level up the compendium quicker and 25% of all those purchases were added to the pool as well.
thx
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Fujikura United States. Jul 09 2014 10:48. Posts 1795
When are next matches? :o
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CrownRoyal United States. Jul 09 2014 10:52. Posts 11385
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as someone who comes from a starcraft, war3 background, can someone tell me how complex and fun is it to watch dota2 compared to those? like the level of play and amount of joy u get from watching top players play. Right now im like wtf is this shit, but i might give a game a try if u say something positive
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CrownRoyal United States. Jul 10 2014 10:53. Posts 11385
dota is most definitely an enjoyable thing to watch. You're gonna have to spend quite a few hours playing (maybe over 1000?) To really enjoy and understand the intricacies of what's going on though.
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collegesucks United States. Jul 10 2014 12:15. Posts 5780
On July 10 2014 07:16 dnagardi wrote:
as someone who comes from a starcraft, war3 background, can someone tell me how complex and fun is it to watch dota2 compared to those? like the level of play and amount of joy u get from watching top players play. Right now im like wtf is this shit, but i might give a game a try if u say something positive
Like any other great game, there are multiple layers that add complexity to this game -- knowledge of the game (107 heroes in dota 2 so far, each with 4 unique abilities, plus 130 unique items), hero/item micro, item/skill build selection, drafting, individual/team coordination, game sense (map awareness, timing, predicting opponents movement), and a whole host of other things. I guess it's like playing WC3 exclusively with heroes, but then 9 other players join you with heroes of their own and things get way more challenging and fun.
I guess the best way to enjoy the game is to learn some of the abilities that individual heroes have and the items that can be used at the liquid dota wiki here.
Plus this time around the broadcasters set up a newbie channel that tries to explain all the basic things so that might be a good way to start watching dota.
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collegesucks United States. Jul 10 2014 12:26. Posts 5780
Team Liquid starting day 1 with a bang, trampling on some big name teams! 3-1 so far =D
On July 10 2014 07:16 dnagardi wrote:
as someone who comes from a starcraft, war3 background, can someone tell me how complex and fun is it to watch dota2 compared to those? like the level of play and amount of joy u get from watching top players play. Right now im like wtf is this shit, but i might give a game a try if u say something positive
compared to war3, remove all normal units, multiple hero by 5, multiply item builds possibilities by 20, remove all macro, remove the issue of "timing" for any player w >90 IQ
still though the game is somewhat fun to watch
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Chewits United Kingdom. Jul 10 2014 16:53. Posts 2539
On July 10 2014 07:16 dnagardi wrote:
as someone who comes from a starcraft, war3 background, can someone tell me how complex and fun is it to watch dota2 compared to those? like the level of play and amount of joy u get from watching top players play. Right now im like wtf is this shit, but i might give a game a try if u say something positive
Check out the newcomer stream which will help you a lot. http://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti_noob If you come from a competitive background then maybe some of the stuff on this stream might seem a little basic, but bare in mind, dota is a very complex game. Just understanding what certain heroes do will increase your viewing pleasure massively. Highly recommend watching newcomer stream. Its a fantastic idea and it has got alot of positive feedback.
Final is gonna be so fucking sick though. Winners taking $5mil. Its crazy.
Also when you play this game for so long, what seems like a very simple game (only control 1 hero, how hard can it be??) is actually very deep and layered upon layer of complexity. So you do watch games and go, wow holy shit, he just did this and that. amazing play etc.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 10 2014 17:17. Posts 4080
these commentators make dota2 a great spectator sport. seems like they just all gel so well together. i tried playing dota 2 and i just couldnt do it, but I think it excels as a spectator sport. even the drafting is fun to watch in dota2 whereas in hon i found it to be quite boring
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collegesucks United States. Jul 10 2014 18:46. Posts 5780
holy shit Na`Vi.NA vs iG!!
The naga cancer is real.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 10 2014 18:46. Posts 4080
LOOOOOOOL tobi is fukkin hilarious such energy wow what a caster
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collegesucks United States. Jul 10 2014 18:47. Posts 5780
these upstart north american teams crushing chinese powerhouses is really refreshing to watch
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 10 2014 19:06. Posts 4080
who is skywraith mage comparable to in hon collegesucks?
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collegesucks United States. Jul 10 2014 19:11. Posts 5780
On July 10 2014 18:06 RaiNKhAN wrote:
who is skywraith mage comparable to in hon collegesucks?
Can't think of one but it's a heavy nuker with an imba 6s silence that also amplifies magic damage to a single target by 45%. So kind of like a lina on steroids minus the stun and autoattack damage?
Skywrath ult does 1400 dmg at lvl 3 in a radius split between heroes in the aoe, so it comboes really well with heroes that lock targets down like clockwerk or enigma. With the silence applied that's almost 2k magic dmg on a single target on a 20s cooldown that drops to 0 when you get an aghs on that hero. Costs 800 mana though =D
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 10 2014 19:13. Posts 4080
ya thats an ellonia with a silence
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 10 2014 19:49. Posts 4080
yo any game casted by tobi is fukkin awesome
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what happened to fnatic era btw, im glad to see him back, but totally did not know why he was missing action in the first place
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collegesucks United States. Jul 10 2014 22:25. Posts 5780
On July 10 2014 21:06 mnj wrote:
what happened to fnatic era btw, im glad to see him back, but totally did not know why he was missing action in the first place
TL;DR Era has severe anxiety issues and was throwing up and stuff during episodes while traveling with the team. He was subbed in by Excalibur for a few tourneys. Era then asks Valve if the team is even allowed to replace him for TI4 and Valve says no. Fnatic of course doesn't want to risk their success at the biggest tourney of the year, as well as Era's health, by traveling and competing with him.
Valve wins in the end and Era plays for TI4, apparently doing alright so far.
No hard feelings between the parties, just a shitty situation for everyone involved.
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collegesucks United States. Jul 11 2014 03:46. Posts 5780
Updated first post with results and game picks for tomorrow
On July 10 2014 21:06 mnj wrote:
what happened to fnatic era btw, im glad to see him back, but totally did not know why he was missing action in the first place
TL;DR Era has severe anxiety issues and was throwing up and stuff during episodes while traveling with the team. He was subbed in by Excalibur for a few tourneys. Era then asks Valve if the team is even allowed to replace him for TI4 and Valve says no. Fnatic of course doesn't want to risk their success at the biggest tourney of the year, as well as Era's health, by traveling and competing with him.
Valve wins in the end and Era plays for TI4, apparently doing alright so far.
No hard feelings between the parties, just a shitty situation for everyone involved.
do u think the team would've done better with Excalibur?
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Chewits United Kingdom. Jul 11 2014 08:26. Posts 2539
Just wanna say that the whole multi cast stream is really nice.
only played lol so far but what makes dota 2 a better game than lol ? Looks really similar to me
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Chewits United Kingdom. Jul 11 2014 10:00. Posts 2539
Well considering LoL is based off Dota there is no surprises there in your statement. Each to their own. I prefer Dota because it is much more immersive and complex than LoL. The graphics, the sounds and the gameplay all add up to a great experience for me, where LoL doesnt do that for me. Each to their own. I am sure anyone here could write an essay on the differences and countless people have in the past.
Original creators of DotA left it to Icefrog and created LoL. I haven't played Dota 2 tbh, but i've played tons of the wc3 one and I could say both games are very different, although they're both MOBA. You cant really say which one is more complex, since there are different factors, its like playing NLHE and PLHE tbh
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collegesucks United States. Jul 11 2014 13:09. Posts 5780
On July 10 2014 21:06 mnj wrote:
what happened to fnatic era btw, im glad to see him back, but totally did not know why he was missing action in the first place
TL;DR Era has severe anxiety issues and was throwing up and stuff during episodes while traveling with the team. He was subbed in by Excalibur for a few tourneys. Era then asks Valve if the team is even allowed to replace him for TI4 and Valve says no. Fnatic of course doesn't want to risk their success at the biggest tourney of the year, as well as Era's health, by traveling and competing with him.
Valve wins in the end and Era plays for TI4, apparently doing alright so far.
No hard feelings between the parties, just a shitty situation for everyone involved.
do u think the team would've done better with Excalibur?
Given how things have been going in TI4 so far, it's hard to say, so many teams that are expected to stomp are getting stomped, and vice versa. But I have little love for Excalibur though. He's too inexperienced and makes a lot crucial mistakes mid to lategame. Plus, it seems he has little leeway outside of the handful of heroes he can play. Era is way better for fnatic imo.
TobiWan needs to get checked for anxiety issues afaik, he gets annoying when one team pulls ahead by much.
I like fnatic especially Toenail and H4nni. Rooting for lots of teams/players. Such a spectator friendly event aswell, nice to be able to spec ingame and switch between games & casters. Also drewamleague, compendium etc make it more fun for lots of people i guess.
Some sweet games. Skywrath is fun to watch.
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collegesucks United States. Jul 11 2014 15:58. Posts 5780
holy shit so far it looks like im gonna have to rail Liquid for all 4 games
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 11 2014 16:36. Posts 4080
i think newbie is a good pick to win this. mu seems like such a boss
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TI4 prizepool is solid and some group stage games are sick, however i would not watch the whole 100+ games..., maybe somebody could point out the most interesting ones? I'll go ahead and say NaVi.ua vs Teamliquid is a must watch.
BTW http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/The_International/2014/Playoffs/Phase_Twohere is the best online overview of whats going on at the moment.
ive watched all fnatic games and a few others
from the ones i watched best one so far was fnatic vs. mouz
and the most impressive performance by a player was VG fy earthshaker vs.
fnatic, especially considerering it wasn't a snowball solo mid shaker like qojqva vs. fnatic
it's easy to perform well when you are snowballing, but fy played godly sup shaker
On July 11 2014 08:35 FullBRing wrote:
only played lol so far but what makes dota 2 a better game than lol ? Looks really similar to me
both games are free, but in Dota you can pick any hero in the game since your first match. in LoL you need to grind or buy the heroes you can pick.
in LoL there is also a rune and talent system that benefects people as they level up their account. there isn't anything like that in Dota.
I prefer Dota due to the graphics and gameplay. I found Dota to be so much better... its personal taste I guess.
about the complexity of LoL, I remember I had the impression that Dota was more complex, but I don't even remember why, so I can't give an opinion on that...
On July 12 2014 08:19 Minion wrote:
ive watched all fnatic games and a few others
from the ones i watched best one so far was fnatic vs. mouz
and the most impressive performance by a player was VG fy earthshaker vs.
fnatic, especially considerering it wasn't a snowball solo mid shaker like qojqva vs. fnatic
it's easy to perform well when you are snowballing, but fy played godly sup shaker
this explains all the assholes insta solo mid ES picks into farming farming farming shadowblade auto lose
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 12 2014 18:31. Posts 4080
why is mirana used so much in dota 2?
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Chewits United Kingdom. Jul 12 2014 18:38. Posts 2539
She is popular because she is a very versatile hero. You can pick her early in draft and can basically put her in any position or lane. She can be a hard carry, solo mid, support, offlane. Anything can work. So it makes your draft flexible. Her ult is very strong as well esp at high level. Forces opponents to spend gold on sentries to prevent her ult gangs etc. Its a psychological advantage too, having to always think about her invis ulti.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 12 2014 18:40. Posts 4080
^ yea im askin because in hon she isnt used nearly as much as she was in the past. curious why specifically she is much better in dota2 than in hon
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Chewits United Kingdom. Jul 12 2014 18:45. Posts 2539
couple months ago she just got really popular and teams like EG popularized her and everyone just started copying them. Trends happen alot on Dota.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 12 2014 18:47. Posts 4080
ok ty chewits
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, this might sound like blasphemy, but i wanna kick h4nni and bring back nova
or at the very least, u need to put n0tail back mid, it's where he fucking belongs
i dunno man, i'm a huge n0tail fan as well since hon and before this TI i also thought h4nn1 wasn't on the same level (i think Fly isn't as well)
but after this TI i felt h4nn1 played really good, Era and Trixi did ok and the ones that played bad were n0tail and Fly
On July 12 2014 18:46 TheHuHu3 wrote:
Fnatic. Bunch of nobodyneverwazzes.
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why u gotta bandwagon so hard. fwiw totally ok with EG winning. man zai had to introduce ping pong the animation and i had to watch the entire 12 episodes in one go. DEF WORTH IT
, this might sound like blasphemy, but i wanna kick h4nni and bring back nova
or at the very least, u need to put n0tail back mid, it's where he fucking belongs
i dunno man, i'm a huge n0tail fan as well since hon and before this TI i also thought h4nn1 wasn't on the same level (i think Fly isn't as well)
but after this TI i felt h4nn1 played really good, Era and Trixi did ok and the ones that played bad were n0tail and Fly
iono man, i used to watch era stream in hon first person for like hours. i watched like 10 games in person for his dota2 performance and it really seemed like he was half the player he was in hon. he wasn't checking the map as actively as he used to, and it felt like they gave n0tail a lot of different heroes that he wasn't expecting to compensate for the team issues i guess. or maybe they had n0tail mid LD, alchemist as a plan all along. btw i forget which one but either zai or ppd played with era on FIRE if i recall correctly.
there are so many death ball compositions without a traditional "carry" and with razer who feels more like an "anti carry". just static link the enemy carry and all the sudden its like dooming the enemy carry and having yours output tons of dmg. surround with enigma ult or other various cc like levi ult or brewmaster ftw.
that last fnatic game, i was yelling and banging on my desk everytime they landed a pudge hook lmao. my roommate came in and was like yea u watching the world cup bro?
On July 12 2014 18:43 RaiNKhAN wrote:
LOL AXE in a solo lane what the fukk? dota2 played completeeeeeely different than hon hahahah
apparently hes the counter to lycan mid which has been first pick/ban material as recently as a week ago and through alot of the first day of ti4
btw its nice to see a team like mouz try and push what we think about dota2 strats and actually deal with the lycan/doom abuse vs banning it out. im sad to see them go
On July 12 2014 18:43 RaiNKhAN wrote:
LOL AXE in a solo lane what the fukk? dota2 played completeeeeeely different than hon hahahah
apparently hes the counter to lycan mid which has been first pick/ban material as recently as a week ago and through alot of the first day of ti4
btw its nice to see a team like mouz try and push what we think about dota2 strats and actually deal with the lycan/doom abuse vs banning it out. im sad to see them go
the mouz organization appears to never have any luck with their dota teams.
RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 14 2014 12:14. Posts 4080
lets go newbee
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 14 2014 14:56. Posts 4080
beat titan 2-1, favored over navi coming up in 5 mins -180/+153
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collegesucks United States. Jul 14 2014 15:08. Posts 5780
straight up wrecked.
shitty sk just sat in front of t1 instead of jungling his stacks. shoulda lvled up sandstorm at lvl 2.
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 14 2014 15:16. Posts 4080
^ they got so shook from the lvl 1 rosh and nervous in game 3 of bo3
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 14 2014 16:23. Posts 4080
completely raped lol
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Chewits United Kingdom. Jul 14 2014 16:24. Posts 2539
Winter!!!! :D So happy to see him with his insights. This guy so smart
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 14 2014 17:06. Posts 4080
absolutely and positively annihilated/crushed/raped/smoked/rekt/dealt/belted/broken lol gg navi
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 14 2014 18:00. Posts 4080
16 min win rofl
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MezmerizePLZ United States. Jul 15 2014 03:26. Posts 2598
I guess now I'm rooting for like, EG to win. Sikkest. Hope that fnatic stays together and turns shit around for next year, really unfortunate situation for them leading up to the biggest tournament of the year. Will also be interesting since BigDaddy said that Fly wants to play carry, and Xcalibur is lurking
On July 15 2014 02:26 MezmerizePLZ wrote:
I guess now I'm rooting for like, EG to win. Sikkest. Hope that fnatic stays together and turns shit around for next year, really unfortunate situation for them leading up to the biggest tournament of the year. Will also be interesting since BigDaddy said that Fly wants to play carry, and Xcalibur is lurking
i had no idea what an accomplished martial artist fly's father was. must have been sick to have a dad. i just picture liam neesom throughout all his years saying the most epic things in random points in fly's life.
also in b4 nova shoots back into relevancy. u heard it here first
On July 15 2014 03:02 cariadon wrote:
Fnatic needs like Slickz to become their carry.
Loda worst carry player in Ti4 though ! woo
eg said they basically split 50% of their games when scrimming so it was huge surprise to see A being knocked out. but the entire internet is results oriented soo
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 15 2014 14:22. Posts 4080
On July 15 2014 04:39 Smuft wrote:
khan u seem very excited about these games, do you happen to have a financial interest in the outcome?
LOL, yea i got newbee at 8:1 for $500 and had few other newbee series bets smaller which cashed. fukkin dota betting is awesome
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flounder44 United States. Jul 15 2014 14:41. Posts 916
On July 15 2014 03:02 cariadon wrote:
Fnatic needs like Slickz to become their carry.
Loda worst carry player in Ti4 though ! woo
eg said they basically split 50% of their games when scrimming so it was huge surprise to see A being knocked out. but the entire internet is results oriented soo
scrims are for trying new strats out.. so take them with a grain of salt. The format is legit but its not as good as bo3 and alliance easily coulda made a deep run if they made it past round robin.. its just that the teams are so close this year and alliance lost too many games the first day. A lot of the games in the groups coulda gone either way and A is no exception, just watch their last match against the favorites eg. Having said that yea loda made some questionable plays not getting bkb etc.
I am hoping to see na'vi in the GF in standard ti fashion.
On July 15 2014 03:02 cariadon wrote:
Fnatic needs like Slickz to become their carry.
Loda worst carry player in Ti4 though ! woo
eg said they basically split 50% of their games when scrimming so it was huge surprise to see A being knocked out. but the entire internet is results oriented soo
scrims are for trying new strats out.. so take them with a grain of salt. The format is legit but its not as good as bo3 and alliance easily coulda made a deep run if they made it past round robin.. its just that the teams are so close this year and alliance lost too many games the first day. A lot of the games in the groups coulda gone either way and A is no exception, just watch their last match against the favorites eg. Having said that yea loda made some questionable plays not getting bkb etc.
I am hoping to see na'vi in the GF in standard ti fashion.
in puppey's own words, they might have to actually play dota this year
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TheHuHu3 United States. Jul 15 2014 23:56. Posts 5544
LODA is a fucking noob.
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collegesucks United States. Jul 16 2014 07:29. Posts 5780
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
even though i've watched a ton of dota this week like 50% of the group stage and the bracket seedings, feel free to post any "must watch" games
just in case ppl wanna watch some games on youtube this is what i use since you can opt for html5 instead of flash (longer battery life/more efficient for those with laptops)
On July 16 2014 21:41 mnj wrote:
GUYS SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY JUGGERNAUT EVER GETS PICKED IN DOTA2 PLEASE
dk run him as a support
ward for pushes
spin, ultimate for early ganks+jungle catchup
then transition him into straight core with 5 pos supporting with scepter and dagger
worked rly well so far, they pick him vs tinker a lot
93% Sure!
Last edit: 17/07/2014 05:09
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Into Infinity United States. Jul 17 2014 05:13. Posts 1884
On July 16 2014 21:41 mnj wrote:
GUYS SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY JUGGERNAUT EVER GETS PICKED IN DOTA2 PLEASE
omnislash gets strong with attack speed, especially with already having the fastest BAT in the game (aside from ult'd alchemist) and a built in crit
healing ward is insanely strong for pushing and can be a nuisance for the other team during team fights
spin is super good early game and late game for magic immunity (and also as a semi counter to stupid phoenix)
only flaw is his lack of mobility and his kinda low stats (and you always get aghs anyway so whatever)
ninja edit - he just doesn't have a spot in the meta ATM so he's rarely picked up
Last edit: 17/07/2014 05:16
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TheHuHu3 United States. Jul 17 2014 07:17. Posts 5544
Juggernaut is great for pushes. I think Fnatic ran him with Lone Druid and the bear went from like 100 hp to max in seconds. Healing ward is fantastic.
so to summarize, you guys love a healing support that helps extend pushes, and this is enough in certain lineups to warrant jugg as a pickup?
pretty much 2 teams picked him DK and Fnatic iirc, but i just remember thinking from experience, that Jugg does alot of things ok, but none too well and remember just hoping he wouldn't have to carry (and he never had to)
dk only lost cause EG played 99.99% perfect. the list of teams to beat dk in that game is just 1.
like if your any other team, looking in, i feel like your both motivated and crushed. motivated because you can see where you can potentially take your game, but completely crushed because you're thinking "holy shit how many 100 hour weeks i gotta put in, to catch up to DK and EG"
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TheHuHu3 United States. Jul 18 2014 17:35. Posts 5544
Told you EG #1. PPD #1.
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TheHuHu3 United States. Jul 18 2014 17:41. Posts 5544
notice how arteezy is the only one who chased correctly. that guy has sick game sense.
??? Seems standard. I'm guessing you'd blink in the opposite direction???
ya that must be why zai and universe blinked to the opposite direction. it's night time so players' vision is a lot more limited than it appears to spectators.
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collegesucks United States. Jul 19 2014 14:41. Posts 5780
notice how arteezy is the only one who chased correctly. that guy has sick game sense.
??? Seems standard. I'm guessing you'd blink in the opposite direction???
ya that must be why zai and universe blinked to the opposite direction. it's night time so players' vision is a lot more limited than it appears to spectators.
On July 19 2014 08:16 Twisted wrote:
Commentators sometimes go crazy over completely standard shit.
I like it, they are creating a nice energy. I feel this way when watching a soccer game on TV, nothing happens 99% of the time, and yet the commentators are having the time of their lives.
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us and as we let our own lights shine we unconsciously give other people permision to do the same
I meant going crazy over/applauding very easy to pull of moves. I love the energy they have. Most of the Dota casters are amazing. I'm just glad Godz isn't casting though. He's an 'I mean' 'buuuut' cannon. Fires those out every second sentence. The only caster I thoroughly dislike in DotA is Ayesee. I don't even play the game and he gets so much stuff wrong. Glad he's also not casting. Tobiwan #1 anyway.
Fwiw, I never watched BW with Korean commentary. Korean annoys the fuck out of me. Also didn't care that much about Korean BW pro-gaming. Only in SC2 I started watching it because of English commentary mostly (even though in SC2 you have had or still have casters like Moletrap, Kellymilkies and Khaldor who are all absolutely horrific at casting).
On July 20 2014 20:12 Twisted wrote:
I meant going crazy over/applauding very easy to pull of moves. I love the energy they have. Most of the Dota casters are amazing. I'm just glad Godz isn't casting though. He's an 'I mean' 'buuuut' cannon. Fires those out every second sentence. The only caster I thoroughly dislike in DotA is Ayesee. I don't even play the game and he gets so much stuff wrong. Glad he's also not casting. Tobiwan #1 anyway.
Fwiw, I never watched BW with Korean commentary. Korean annoys the fuck out of me. Also didn't care that much about Korean BW pro-gaming. Only in SC2 I started watching it because of English commentary mostly (even though in SC2 you have had or still have casters like Moletrap, Kellymilkies and Khaldor who are all absolutely horrific at casting).
chill, its called hype
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RaiNKhAN United States. Jul 20 2014 21:43. Posts 4080
to twisted's credit I thought the new guy who co-casted team rotk vs team xboct last night was fucking awful
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On July 20 2014 20:12 Twisted wrote:
I meant going crazy over/applauding very easy to pull of moves. I love the energy they have. Most of the Dota casters are amazing. I'm just glad Godz isn't casting though. He's an 'I mean' 'buuuut' cannon. Fires those out every second sentence. The only caster I thoroughly dislike in DotA is Ayesee. I don't even play the game and he gets so much stuff wrong. Glad he's also not casting. Tobiwan #1 anyway.
Fwiw, I never watched BW with Korean commentary. Korean annoys the fuck out of me. Also didn't care that much about Korean BW pro-gaming. Only in SC2 I started watching it because of English commentary mostly (even though in SC2 you have had or still have casters like Moletrap, Kellymilkies and Khaldor who are all absolutely horrific at casting).
this is from before the tournament actually started. I don't follow the dota scene at all except for the international so I usually come in to the tournaments with a decent clue on who is likely to win the tournament. Why was Newbee seen as one of the favorites prior to TI4? I checked them on liquipedia and it seems they didn't play/win a lot of tournaments. I assume it's because all their players are sick (only know xiao8)? Also what happened to NaVi after April 2014? They seem to be on a slump.
In this finals Vici Gaming are seen as the underdog right?
On July 21 2014 16:56 Twisted wrote:
Yeah extremely shitty finals with 2 teams who have zero personality.
youre one very salty individual
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flounder44 United States. Jul 21 2014 19:54. Posts 916
^ no hes being honest. Just look at one of the newbee's haircut it tilts the shit out of me. Watched the live interview on espn2 and i almost died except when rotk was on. Having USA or Europe win would have been better for the scene imho.. its just the truth. You need socially accepted nerds not full on asian nerds no offense.
It's just compared to last year's final with Na'Vi against Alliance, this finale looked like some $3k tourney finale or whatever. When even Tobi and Lumi can't hype it up, then you've got a terrible final.
Last year's final was absolutely terrific. I was rooting for Na'Vi but in the end I didn't care much who won because those finals were just that good.
traxamillion United States. Aug 05 2014 10:53. Posts 10468
I remember when i was trashing battlenet/Garena with my brother playing WC3. We actually went to the world cyber games on a stipend and got top 5 USA on LAN.
But all the shitty kids who couldn't play the real game went and started playing nothing but DOTA in the custom game section and the game fell off. What a gay game DOTA is and all of the knock offs similar to it. DOTA wasn't even one of the better custom games out there. Footmen wars and a lot of tower defense games > dota.
Do not understand the point of this game really at all; farm creeps and have lame fights controlling one unit. No macro required. Hardly any micro. Weak strategies. Just a dumbed down version of better games; but of course that is also why it is popular.
On August 05 2014 09:53 traxamillion wrote:
I remember when i was trashing battlenet/Garena with my brother playing WC3. We actually went to the world cyber games on a stipend and got top 5 USA on LAN.
But all the shitty kids who couldn't play the real game went and started playing nothing but DOTA in the custom game section and the game fell off. What a gay game DOTA is and all of the knock offs similar to it. DOTA wasn't even one of the better custom games out there. Footmen wars and a lot of tower defense games > dota.
Do not understand the point of this game really at all; farm creeps and have lame fights controlling one unit. No macro required. Hardly any micro. Weak strategies. Just a dumbed down version of better games; but of course that is also why it is popular.
WOW this guy is a badass!
it's awesome to have you here!
weak strategies?
cool, so, how would you counter newbee strategies? which heroes to ban and pick agaisnt them? and what build would you use for each hero?
no macro required? so, we don't need to farm gold? it's all about lame fights in the middle? wtf you're such a badass! you solved the game and developed a new meta!
how long did it take for you to get such a deep understanding of a game with more than 100 heroes and 50+ items? that's just absurd!
can I have your digital autograph?
On August 05 2014 09:53 traxamillion wrote:
I remember when i was trashing battlenet/Garena with my brother playing WC3. We actually went to the world cyber games on a stipend and got top 5 USA on LAN.
But all the shitty kids who couldn't play the real game went and started playing nothing but DOTA in the custom game section and the game fell off. What a gay game DOTA is and all of the knock offs similar to it. DOTA wasn't even one of the better custom games out there. Footmen wars and a lot of tower defense games > dota.
Do not understand the point of this game really at all; farm creeps and have lame fights controlling one unit. No macro required. Hardly any micro. Weak strategies. Just a dumbed down version of better games; but of course that is also why it is popular.
On August 05 2014 09:53 traxamillion wrote:
I remember when i was trashing battlenet/Garena with my brother playing WC3. We actually went to the world cyber games on a stipend and got top 5 USA on LAN.
But all the shitty kids who couldn't play the real game went and started playing nothing but DOTA in the custom game section and the game fell off. What a gay game DOTA is and all of the knock offs similar to it. DOTA wasn't even one of the better custom games out there. Footmen wars and a lot of tower defense games > dota.
Do not understand the point of this game really at all; farm creeps and have lame fights controlling one unit. No macro required. Hardly any micro. Weak strategies. Just a dumbed down version of better games; but of course that is also why it is popular.
LOL salty
literally reminds me of a priest at a busy intersection with a microphone babbling about jesus fucking christ
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traxamillion United States. Aug 07 2014 19:34. Posts 10468
On August 05 2014 09:53 traxamillion wrote:
I remember when i was trashing battlenet/Garena with my brother playing WC3. We actually went to the world cyber games on a stipend and got top 5 USA on LAN.
But all the shitty kids who couldn't play the real game went and started playing nothing but DOTA in the custom game section and the game fell off. What a gay game DOTA is and all of the knock offs similar to it. DOTA wasn't even one of the better custom games out there. Footmen wars and a lot of tower defense games > dota.
Do not understand the point of this game really at all; farm creeps and have lame fights controlling one unit. No macro required. Hardly any micro. Weak strategies. Just a dumbed down version of better games; but of course that is also why it is popular.
Thx guys for getting me into this game. Quick question was lycan ever played in ti4 and if possible do you remember the game? he keeps getting banned was surprised to find clinkz being played by empire does anyone know if eternal envy played clinkz?
TalentedTom Canada. Aug 09 2014 10:00. Posts 20070
On August 08 2014 14:54 Mortensen8 wrote:
Thx guys for getting me into this game. Quick question was lycan ever played in ti4 and if possible do you remember the game? he keeps getting banned was surprised to find clinkz being played by empire does anyone know if eternal envy played clinkz?
lycan is almost always banned
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Venrae United States. Aug 09 2014 16:25. Posts 1545
EE will play clinkz, but his clinkz style is awful for pubs/new playesr
Learn to appreciate the value of the dollar. The rest is easy. (Hurricane @ TL)
EE clinkz style is a pub build though. you just get soul ring + blink and go around ratting the whole game. EE is the ultimate 7k tryhard pubber but can't carry in real games because he doesn't know how to differentiate from pubs and tourneys.
United States. Jul 08 2014 02:16. Posts 4080
, this might sound like blasphemy, but i wanna kick h4nni and bring back nova 
