Most dominant athlete of all time - Page 9

On November 27 2013 17:37 Raidern wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2013 16:10 player999 wrote: This is a stupid statement This is a whole new level of stupid. He played against the best of the world of his time, not against shitty competition like your Africa team example. Nadal's streak on clay was 81, way to use points against yourself http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=2876658 I'll refrain from commenting on your first two comments because they were idiotic. I'll just leave this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole. Your last point is beyond retarded. Federer played and won every single grass match possible between 2003-2008, he couldn't have a higher number of victories (or a shorter streak) because the grass season lasts 2 weeks. Nadal's streak is higher because guess what there are more clay matches per year to be played. I'm shocked that you came up with "nadal's streak was 81" lmao

lolwut

he could've won more in 2009, the reason he didnt is because he lost, you sound like he retired in 2008

I'm not sure whether you are serious, trolling, or just have an uncanny difficulty in understanding what is written. Try reading again multiple times, maybe it will help. If it doesn't, don't bother making another post because I won't reply.

how is a 65 win streak in any way more impressive than a 81 win streak? just because it was on a longer time span? that makes 0 sense

that's like saying that a MMA champion that defends his belt 10 times in 10 years before losing the 11th is more impressive than someone who defended 15 times in 5 years

Look for my posts and quote the part where I said that Federer's streak is more impressive than Nadal's streak.

I said Federer, during a certain period in his career, was as dominant on grass as Nadal was on Clay. You said he didn't. I showed his streak, during which he won 5 grass slams in a row. I never showed it as a "Federer > Nadal" argument. If you don't think he was as dominant, fine, whatever. Maybe read what the press used to write about Federer on grass or even take some time and watch a couple of his matches, if you like watching tennis.

I feel like best days of tennis are yet to come tho with currents top25 players progressing really fast skillwise, and most of them are in their early 20s too

On November 25 2013 17:38 Raidern wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2013 15:58 Baalim wrote:   On November 25 2013 06:15 blackjacki2 wrote:   On November 25 2013 04:39 Liquid`Drone wrote: thats just cuz swimming has so many events. olympic medals is a poor way of establishing how dominant someone is anyway, as it's only every 4 years. bubka set 35 world records, but only won 1 olympic gold medal. It's still insanely difficult to do and incredibly dominant, otherwise a bunch of other swimmers would have a dozen gold medals as well. There's only 30 male Olympians with with more than 5 gold medals, and only 3 of them are swimmers. Setting 35 world records isn't so amazing in a sport where you can break the record by 1 cm at a time. There's also weight lifters with just as many world records because they break the record by 1kg at a time. you can break the swimming world record by 1 mili second lol, your argument is dumb. Also i agree with Drone there are just so many styles and distances in swimming is not fair to other spots, you dont see "100m dash with flailing your arms around" event, "100m running like a duck" event do you? You realize that at pole vaulting a jumper can just set the bar at 5,01m, jump 7m and the new record will be 5,01m right? Then on his next jump he can set it on 5.02m and break the record, then 5.03m and break the record, right? A sprinter or swimmer can't determine that he is going to swim exactly 0.01s better than his previous record. Else every athlete in the world would do it as they get paid for broken records.

You know, I actually agree that world records isn't a good metric for dominance for a pole vaulter much for the same reason olympic medals doesn't make a swimmer the greatest ever. But you can't just downplay it like that. (just like phelps' 22 medals is absolutely crazy impressive! it just doesn't make him the best by default because he has the most medals.) I mean, every time he sets a new world record he does beat the previous one, and nobody else even beat the one he started with. granted that when I read up on it the 35 number is inflated cuz it includes outdoors and indoors events, it basically means that he was like 30 cm better than #2.. (how much he increased the world record by)
in percentage, moving it from 5.85 to 6.15 is like improving the 100 meter dash from 9.58 to like, 9.10?

heh you guys just like to argue about stuff that cant be agreed upon lol
too many factors to consider. how about reduce it to most dominant in each sport instead of mashing every single sport conceived

golf - tiger woods
basketball - MJ
boxing - tyson(prime)
wrestling - karelin

a few interesting tennis anecdotes from a friend who was formerly ranked #350 at his peak.

-my friend used to do speed training drills with a buddy of his who was ranked around #100. said he never ever won. his friend did the same speed drills with roddick occasionally (who is not really known for his speed) and said he never ever won. and you know if roddick did those drills against murray/djok/fed/nadal he would just get smoked. speed is fucking important

-apparently most of the the guys at the top are roiding pretty hard. especially nadal. every time he skips a tournament due to injury its supposedly because he failed a test and instead of making it public, the ATP quietly has him disappear for a few months and recover from "injury". who knows how true that is, but if true and it ever comes out could be a big black eye for tennis, more so because of the coverups

-he played a match somewhere against john mcenroe when mcenroe was about 50. 15-20 years after he retired. lost 6-0 6-1. said mcenroe was pissed he didnt give him a better match. said that it was just impossible to ever get in a groove against him.

If that's true about steroids that is one insane let down.

Makes sense though. Professional tennis has gotten to pretty lol levels of intensity...Nadal and Murray seem pretty superhuman physically.

without a doubt Phil Taylor

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Havent red all the posts but has someone mentioned

Michael Schumacher in his prime 1994-2004 ?
7x formula 1 world championships within 2 different teams including 91Victories within ~ 180races (in his prime) (In his prime he won ~50% of the races he attended ...)

On November 27 2013 17:19 blackjacki2 wrote: ^Era has to be considered. Bill Russell has 11 NBA championships to Michael Jordan's 6 but nobody considers Bill Russell to be the GOAT

plenty of people consider Russell to be the GOAT (in basketball)

not saying he is the GOAT in football but surprised no one has mentioned Jim Brown

my votes for overall GOAT in no particular order would be...


Michael Jordan
Michael Phelps
Mike Tyson
Tiger Woods

if I had to pick one, I'd take Jordan but I'm probably a bit biased with basketball being my favorite sport

my football GOAT is Jerry Rice but im a 49ers fan...

i skimmed through a couple pages but i don't think i saw Babe Ruth mentioned either? i think he belongs in the same category as Jordan/Woods/etc. i don't know how to compare people who play fucking darts or squash or hopscotch or whatever.

On December 04 2013 07:03 PplusAD wrote: Havent red all the posts but has someone mentioned Michael Schumacher in his prime 1994-2004 ? 7x formula 1 world championships within 2 different teams including 91Victories within ~ 180races (in his prime) (In his prime he won ~50% of the races he attended ...)

havent ready ANY post it seems

hahaha i saw that one coming....

Time to dig this up again

I'll copy what I just wrote to a friend of mine, who I was discussing the Olympics with:

I'll tell you a little story, you know that the Winter Olympics is going on now. And in the Scandinavian countries, the Winter Olympics is what we specialize in, and focus on. It's regarded as much more important than the Summer Olympics.

We have organized ski institutes that takes kids at a very young age, and all the schools in our entire country scour to find young prodigy's. We have special schools only for skiing's, and on the curriculum during gym class, it's a ton of skiing.

Anyway, Today it's ski shooting, and once more, a guy, who's already got Legend status awhile ago, and should have retired, still got picked to be one of the skiiers to fight for Norway.

His name is Ole Einar Bjørndalen, and what he's accomplished is insane, since he was a kid, 18,19, or something he's been fighting, over 20 years. Now he's over 40. And just now, he's going to win the 1st place, again. And his biggest strength was his speed, he outclassed all the young guns, it's insane.

Look at the Norwegian Wiki page of him: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Einar_Bj%C3%B8rndalen

Look at the amount of top 3 finishes.

He's competed in 103 World cup, or olympic races. It's just insane.

His routine is also legendary, he has 2-3 free days a year, on Christmas, and on birthday's, where he can do what he wants, other than that, he never misses on sleep, he never eats unhealthy, it's all focus on his craft.

He's the oldest winner in the genre as well, he's broken all the records there is to break for a Winter Athlete.

So insane, the commentators on Norwegian TV, just kept screaming and shouting for minutes when they realized he had the win.

So does he qualify xD?