Most dominant athlete of all time - Page 6

Wilt Chamberlin
Roger Federer
Mike Tyson first 46 fights
Michael Schumacher

Bolt is dominating, but his sample sizes are so small + performance in his sport is independent. You technically can just record each runner doing an individual 100m sprint and the best time wins where the guys mentioned above, their results are directly affected by their competition. If Bolt can run the sprint in under 9,8 he wins 90% of the time regardless of how many other competitors there are.

As a team - Not sure if there is anything close to the original NBA "dream team"

On November 25 2013 15:58 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2013 06:15 blackjacki2 wrote:   On November 25 2013 04:39 Liquid`Drone wrote: thats just cuz swimming has so many events. olympic medals is a poor way of establishing how dominant someone is anyway, as it's only every 4 years. bubka set 35 world records, but only won 1 olympic gold medal. It's still insanely difficult to do and incredibly dominant, otherwise a bunch of other swimmers would have a dozen gold medals as well. There's only 30 male Olympians with with more than 5 gold medals, and only 3 of them are swimmers. Setting 35 world records isn't so amazing in a sport where you can break the record by 1 cm at a time. There's also weight lifters with just as many world records because they break the record by 1kg at a time. you can break the swimming world record by 1 mili second lol, your argument is dumb. Also i agree with Drone there are just so many styles and distances in swimming is not fair to other spots, you dont see "100m dash with flailing your arms around" event, "100m running like a duck" event do you?

100m
200m
400m
110m hurdles
400m hurdles
4x100 relay
4x400 relay

7 golds right there for Bolt to win.

of course you almost never see someone competing and winning in both a 100m sprint and a 110m hurdle. Or a 100m sprint and 400m sprint. But then again you also don't see someone competing in every different stroke of swimming. If you look at the fields for each different stroke they are usually different every time. Swimmers hope to qualify for the Olympics in 1-2 strokes. You don't often see someone qualifying for every stroke and winning gold medals in every stroke and setting world records in every stroke, especially when you are not getting a lot of rest because your schedule is packed with races in 8 different disciplines.

Anyway, I'm not saying that having more gold medals already makes him more dominant. I'm saying it's just dumb to dismiss gold medals as a metric for dominance simply because he has more opportunities to win them. It's no more random of a metric than Bradman's batting average, or Jordan's points per game, or the squash guy's 555 games won in a row.

On November 25 2013 18:54 YoMeR wrote: hard to really put a single man dominating a sport like racing...where the engineers/prep team/pit crews have so much to do with the shortterm and longterm success of the team. not to mention more R&D money = win in many racing sports.

That happens but mostly on Formula 1, Sebastian Loeb is the most dominating rally driver in history and possibly the best driver that has ever lived.

On November 25 2013 20:14 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2013 15:58 Baalim wrote:   On November 25 2013 06:15 blackjacki2 wrote:   On November 25 2013 04:39 Liquid`Drone wrote: thats just cuz swimming has so many events. olympic medals is a poor way of establishing how dominant someone is anyway, as it's only every 4 years. bubka set 35 world records, but only won 1 olympic gold medal. It's still insanely difficult to do and incredibly dominant, otherwise a bunch of other swimmers would have a dozen gold medals as well. There's only 30 male Olympians with with more than 5 gold medals, and only 3 of them are swimmers. Setting 35 world records isn't so amazing in a sport where you can break the record by 1 cm at a time. There's also weight lifters with just as many world records because they break the record by 1kg at a time. you can break the swimming world record by 1 mili second lol, your argument is dumb. Also i agree with Drone there are just so many styles and distances in swimming is not fair to other spots, you dont see "100m dash with flailing your arms around" event, "100m running like a duck" event do you? 100m 200m 400m 110m hurdles 400m hurdles 4x100 relay 4x400 relay 7 golds right there for Bolt to win. of course you almost never see someone competing and winning in both a 100m sprint and a 110m hurdle. Or a 100m sprint and 400m sprint. But then again you also don't see someone competing in every different stroke of swimming. If you look at the fields for each different stroke they are usually different every time. Swimmers hope to qualify for the Olympics in 1-2 strokes. You don't often see someone qualifying for every stroke and winning gold medals in every stroke and setting world records in every stroke, especially when you are not getting a lot of rest because your schedule is packed with races in 8 different disciplines. Anyway, I'm not saying that having more gold medals already makes him more dominant. I'm saying it's just dumb to dismiss gold medals as a metric for dominance simply because he has more opportunities to win them. It's no more random of a metric than Bradman's batting average, or Jordan's points per game, or the squash guy's 555 games won in a row.

Except that those are distances and one with obstacles, not arbitrary rules to do the same thing, the equivalent would be to running backwards and ridiculous shit, also running is something that comes natural to humans so I think its to be expected to have more variants but it doesnt, somehow its the opposite.

And no, Gold medals arent the equivalent as a statistic to measure dominance as to say winning X amount of games in a row, because lets say a Jude guy in the olimpics that hypotetically IS the most dominant atheltete of all time wouldnt match his amount of medals.

top 10 batters in test cricket.

Completed Test career batting averages
Donald Bradman (AUS)
99.94
Graeme Pollock (SAF)
60.97
George Headley (WI)
60.83
Herbert Sutcliffe (ENG)
60.73
Eddie Paynter (ENG)
59.23
Ken Barrington (ENG)
58.67
Everton Weekes (WI)
58.61
Wally Hammond (ENG)
58.45
Garfield Sobers (WI)
57.78
Jack Hobbs (ENG)
56.94
Clyde Walcott (WI)
56.68
Len Hutton (ENG)
56.67

Usain Bolt and Gretzky. Seriously, read up on Gretzky's accomplishment. Guy is the GOAT.

^^ yeah Gretzky is by far the most goat hockey player. He is so far ahead of anyone else, that his records may never be beaten (like Chamberlin in his prime)

I would also put Barry Bonds on the list, guy dominated in the modern era. I checked out some old batting averages in the earlier years of baseball, guys were constantly batting 400+ per season. Then pitching caught up and a bunch of pitching records were made, now we are in the middle.

I'd also like to add Rob Ford as GOAT mayor. Guy is my new hero. I will vote for him in the upcoming election.


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John Daly

I'm gonna say its a close one between Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods.

I would say Gretzky has the best stats / accomplishments of all time, but during the period after Lemieux entered the league you could compare the two and Lemieux was arguably the better player.

The basketball Wilt played was just a different game, and Lebron doesn't seem to inject the energy into his team that Jordan did. There's still time for Lebron though.

On November 25 2013 20:23 Baalim wrote:Sebastian Loeb is the most dominating rally driver in history and possibly the best driver that has ever lived.

I wouldn't say possibly, he is the best without a doubt. And if he manages to win WTCC in the next years he'll write history again.

On November 25 2013 16:57 Baalim wrote: Schmacher isnt widely considered the best F1 driver, many people will say Senna, Proust Fangio or others.

Bolt, Jahangir Khan, Karelin.

The easy answer would be Wayne Gretzky, but the problem is Mario Lemieux... If it weren't for him, Wayne would win this easily. He's like more than 50% better than every other players (except for Mario Lemieux), and at a sport popular and big like hockey!

How about Stu Ungar at Gin Rummy? Impressively dominating for a luck game

Is there anyone that actually beat him in Gin? Is there a good biography about him ?


And yeah Hockey s probably not even top10 sport in popularity im guessing

Phil Ivey

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On November 25 2013 15:58 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2013 06:15 blackjacki2 wrote:   On November 25 2013 04:39 Liquid`Drone wrote: thats just cuz swimming has so many events. olympic medals is a poor way of establishing how dominant someone is anyway, as it's only every 4 years. bubka set 35 world records, but only won 1 olympic gold medal. It's still insanely difficult to do and incredibly dominant, otherwise a bunch of other swimmers would have a dozen gold medals as well. There's only 30 male Olympians with with more than 5 gold medals, and only 3 of them are swimmers. Setting 35 world records isn't so amazing in a sport where you can break the record by 1 cm at a time. There's also weight lifters with just as many world records because they break the record by 1kg at a time. you can break the swimming world record by 1 mili second lol, your argument is dumb. Also i agree with Drone there are just so many styles and distances in swimming is not fair to other spots, you dont see "100m dash with flailing your arms around" event, "100m running like a duck" event do you?

Lol wtf. You can break it by 1 miliseconds, but its not like " hmm lets slow down, so I break the WR by 1 ms and I can break it again by 1 ms in the next 34 events as well. And thats how it works in high jump, pole vault, weightlifting, etc

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