2013 Chess World Championship - Page 7

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lol yeah, it's corny as hell. I think the chick is a big part of it lol, but im not 100% sure

Could Anand win if he played 28. Bf1 ?

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Dam I must say Magnus -350 was probably the free-est money I have ever found online. Didn't know much about him before the match other than that he was some boss prodigy maybe as good as fisher with a way higher Elo rating than anyone else. I also bet thinking it was a one day event . This format gave carlsen a much bigger chance to realize his edge. Seems like magnus is just much better than vishy even though vishy is a top ten human. Carlsen with that GTO game seeing everything and playing much faster than vishy in general.

Would Magnus still get trashed by a modern top computer program?

why would vishy let Magnus queen up his pawn at b1 (c1? This is why I'm not a GM lol) on move 26-27? Seems like its pretty hard to beat 2 queens. Would sliding his room over to block the pawn in the b file open up some other hole?

if anand plays accurately with 28. Bf1 instead then eventually Magnus has to give up the 2nd queen for a knight in order to prevent mate on the h file. Qg7 is not a mate threat due to the knight defending that square, but doubling the rook and queen on the h file is a threat, so magnus has to insert his queen there to stop it but anand can take it with the knight. with the knight on f1 that is not possible later. and anand has to give up a rook for it. end result is with this line anand is down a rook, with the other line, anand is down a knight but has a very powerful attack on the h file that carlsen has to give up another minor piece to deal with and they end up about equal lol. would have been a ton of fun to watch if anand played correctly

Yea for sure woulda been intersting. Magnus played so quick I think it lulled anand into Nf1 instead of moving the bishop cause like he said in the press conference he was just focusing on the one line he came up with when he banked for 40 mins and somehow overlooked Qe1

On November 21 2013 12:35 traxamillion wrote: Would Magnus still get trashed by a modern top computer program?

I'm no expert but I think top players beat even houdini (3300 ELO) in correspondance chess, because computers are bad at positional chess no matter how long they think while humans never blunder given unlimited time.

Not sure anyone can win in a normal game against it though, even playing anti-computer systems. Last time I heard of such match, Kramnik lost 2-0... in 2006.

i think if the top 10 chess players in the world got together and without the help of any computers or anything played a WC match together against houdini they would lose 12-0. or maybe 8-0 4 draws. it would be a massacre though

i think you are wrong, but if i was a top 10 chess player i would not want to do that challenge though, sucks if you lose, what do you get by winning? lose/lose situation..

What is correspondence chess?

I read that given unlimited time (days per move for the human) the human player could still defeat the comp but this was many years ago because the comp maxed out while the human player could go deeper. Looks like the chess engines today find optimal moves/lines in almost realtine though.

I do know that computer ElO cannot be compared to human ELO. Or more accurately humans and computers cannot be compared using their respective ELOs. Comp Elo is found comp vs comp. human Elo is human vs human.

I guess the shorter the time constraints the bigger the computer edge? Ultimately chess is a solvable game though so i imagine with increasing comp power humans have no chance.

Magnus should play Houdini though to find out where we are at

On November 21 2013 12:35 traxamillion wrote: A Would Magnus still get trashed by a modern top computer program? Bwhy would vishy let Magnus queen up his pawn at b1 (c1? This is why I'm not a GM lol) on move 26-27? Seems like its pretty hard to beat 2 queens. Would sliding his room over to block the pawn in the b file open up some other hole?

A. He'd have a very hard time of it even against a mobile phone. In 2009, Pocket Fritz 4 scored 9.5/10 in a tournament vs grandmasters, running on a 528 MHz HTC Touch HD phone. The phone was able to search only twenty thousand positions per second. With a modern gaming computer, costing say around $1000, you'd easily search twenty million positions. The software has also improved a lot: today's top chess engines are many times stronger than pocket fritz was in 2009. Carlsen has little chance to win a game. He would lose most games and perhaps draw some of them.

B. You mean like this?



27. Rb1?? loses against 27 ... Qa5

White will soon lose his rook. Taking the pawn with 28. Rxb2 loses to 28 ... Qa1+, which attacks both the white king and the Rook. White has no way to defend them both. If white just leaves the rook there, black will next move his queen to A2. White has no pieces nearby to stop black from promoting his B-pawn, except sacrificing the rook. It's an easily won game for black.

White's move in the game, 27. Rf4, has a much better chance of a draw. Sure, black promotes to a queen with 27. ... b1=Q+, but he must soon sacrifice his queen to prevent getting mated. 28. Bf1 Qd1 29. Rh4 Qh5. If black didn't put his new queen on h5 to block, white would mate him with Qh7. So, off goes the new queen. The position looks equal after

30. Nxh5 gxh5 31. Rxh5 Bf5 32. g6 Bxg6 33. Rg5 Nxf6 34. exf6 Qxf6

Cool I was thinking of just leaving the rook at b2 but I see now its pretty obvious the black queen could quickly foil that and white is better served setting up that queen rook mate threat on the H file

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game 9 epic..... in the end i think the 40 min think on that one move made anand self destruct altho it was a great move despite obv. blunder. What time is the next game in US time?

They're playing now, and Magnus been thinking for awhile, they say he's got a shot at winning.

Crazy endgame 10, no matter how this end it's a must see. Both players managed to promote a new queen after carlsen sacked a knight for 2 pawns, just to get in this Queen + 3 pawns vs Queen + Knight + 1 pawn endgame, so unusual

Grats to Magnus!

I must say, it's night and day difference how he comes off when talking English compared to Norwegian. He seems much more at ease, happier, and more authentic when he's talking in his native tongue.

The 4-5 questions the Norwegian media asked him right after the press conference were good, and he smiled naturally, and gave honest replies, unlike the shitty press conference.

They said that hundreds of thousands of Norwegians had been watching every day, and that his local Chess store was sold out on chess boards. And he replies with a smile, and says great. And that he's very honored to have got such coverage. Then next question, his sister is in the studio, what he think of that? And he teases with "mm, she's always trying to take the spotlight". And it continues in that trend until he got scared of all the Indians yelling for him to speak in English, and he left.