Carlsen has a very unique approach to chess as well. Most top players nowadays are very computer driven and try very hard to work out optimal sequences of moves up to like move 15-20, but carlsen just wants to outplay people so he tries very hard to make some weird offbeat move early in a game that gives him the slight worst of it just to get the game out of theory and into his realm. such a fun thing to watch
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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PuertoRican United States. Nov 06 2013 19:36. Posts 13047
On November 06 2013 23:50 GoTuNk wrote:
sick documentary, someone bump this with livestream of games (how long does it last? how many games? 100% fish here)
because this is showcased in India, the livestream will be NSFW. There will be topless ladies all over, so hopefully you aren't at work when it airs.
I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time
On November 06 2013 23:09 Highcard wrote:
isn't carlsen 3-6-20 vs this dude, how could you say 80% to win
b/c carlsen is rated #1, has been dominating the tourney circuit for the past couple years
the difference in ELO points between him and #2 is something like the difference between #2 and #19
i have a bet on Anand at +250, but don't really care who wins. just really excited for this match. the last one between anand and gelfand was boring as shit.
On November 06 2013 23:50 GoTuNk wrote:
sick documentary, someone bump this with livestream of games (how long does it last? how many games? 100% fish here)
12 matches, very short compared to other championships
On November 06 2013 23:50 GoTuNk wrote:
sick documentary, someone bump this with livestream of games (how long does it last? how many games? 100% fish here)
12 matches, very short compared to other championships
If I want to enjoy this live and have a few hours free, any chess 101 I should checks to get the basics?
I am online fish but have some live experience (which I assume is the same as having poker live experience lol) in that I know rules and can beat most other people who know the rules (I usually think 2-3 moves ahead at each?)
On November 06 2013 23:50 GoTuNk wrote:
sick documentary, someone bump this with livestream of games (how long does it last? how many games? 100% fish here)
12 matches, very short compared to other championships
If I want to enjoy this live and have a few hours free, any chess 101 I should checks to get the basics?
I am online fish but have some live experience (which I assume is the same as having poker live experience lol) in that I know rules and can beat most other people who know the rules (I usually think 2-3 moves ahead at each?)
I suggest time traveling back a few years and putting in as much work as you did with BW / poker / weightlifting. Then you might start to grasp the nuances. Otherwise, just sit back and enjoy - it's like BW or SC2, you don't have to be a pro to know what's going on. Some stuff will inevitably fly over your head, but the commentators will be there (I guess?) to help you out with that.
On November 06 2013 23:50 GoTuNk wrote:
sick documentary, someone bump this with livestream of games (how long does it last? how many games? 100% fish here)
12 matches, very short compared to other championships
If I want to enjoy this live and have a few hours free, any chess 101 I should checks to get the basics?
I am online fish but have some live experience (which I assume is the same as having poker live experience lol) in that I know rules and can beat most other people who know the rules (I usually think 2-3 moves ahead at each?)
I suggest time traveling back a few years and putting in as much work as you did with BW / poker / weightlifting. Then you might start to grasp the nuances. Otherwise, just sit back and enjoy - it's like BW or SC2, you don't have to be a pro to know what's going on. Some stuff will inevitably fly over your head, but the commentators will be there (I guess?) to help you out with that.
lol. Made me notice the lack of work I've put on poker
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Nov 07 2013 07:11. Posts 3093
carlsen is so brilliant and talented. I remember reading years ago that he was playing like 12 different matches against 12 different upcoming norwegian talents, at the same time, without being allowed to see any of the chess boards, and won all of them.
On November 07 2013 06:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:
carlsen is so brilliant and talented. I remember reading years ago that he was playing like 12 different matches against 12 different upcoming norwegian talents, at the same time, without being allowed to see any of the chess boards, and won all of them.
On November 07 2013 06:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:
carlsen is so brilliant and talented. I remember reading years ago that he was playing like 12 different matches against 12 different upcoming norwegian talents, at the same time, without being allowed to see any of the chess boards, and won all of them.
Same thing in the documentary, except for that it's against 10-12 different business men.
Milkman lol i didnt spend half a thousand on a phone so i could play it cool and be all stealth
On November 06 2013 23:09 Highcard wrote:
isn't carlsen 3-6-20 vs this dude, how could you say 80% to win
Anand has been top 5 in the world for roughly 20 years now. Carlsen is barely over 20 years old. A bunch of their matches took place when carlsen was a few years younger and not near his peak.
And 100 rating points is a fucking lot. I believe in any given game ignoring white or black advantage/disadvantage carlsen has .63 equity. So if they draw 60% then carlsen wins 33%, draw 60%, anand wins 7%. Its really hard to overcome that disadvantage in a 12 game series. Carlsen just wins a lot. Some guys on 2p2 programmed simulations on those numbers and carlsen won >90%.
There are a couple shortfalls in the numbers though. For one when anand is white he will probably gain 50ish rating points. Maybe more. While carlsen says fuck theory and plays off beat lines, anand is one of the best preparers in the game. That is not to say he only memorizes a bunch of book lines, but he and his team have come up with innovative lines that gave him really big impressive wins (check out his match va aronian from tata steel this year). So if anand won an early game with a new line then carlsen might drop to 65-70%.
And anand has home court advantage. India is a big advantage. Carlsen could get sick and has to adjust to a very different time zone and country
Overall i think this mitigates carlsens chances but still think he wins the vast majority. Just the superior player by a wide margin
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
And re: blindfold matches. Any international master can probably beat 3 players of 1700 strength at the same time. There is a GM named timur gareev who did 64 games at once. 10-12 is insane for us to think about, but id be shocked if 8 versions of me would stand a chance vs any blindfolded 2700 simultaneously.
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
Jerry will be streaming all of it (and uploading the videos since game 1 begins saturday at 4:30 AM, EST). I watched the candidates tournament finals on his stream earlier this year and it was really worth it, the guy is funny and insightful.
Even I can do multiple blindfolded games (albeit not that much obviously, most I did was 3, and I was playing the same color in all of them - that makes it significantly easier, and ofc I'm playing way below my true ability in these), and I'm barely over 2100 now. One is not that hard tbh, more than one can be a bitch (especially with a rule I had to play with, which is you lose if you try to make a move that's impossible due to misremembering the board). I had to practice this as a kid because of my trainer. Not sure if I could still do it, I only play chess for fun nowadays (one game every few weeks in my club that I was a part of since the beginning of my chess 'career', early childhood that is.)
Naib, you started off your paragraph with such vigor, while ending in a fizzle. Would you say your chess career is similar to a candle?
Feeling the warmth of chess enlightenment caressing your virgin wax, melting the foreskin of naivety. Your wick now exposed, knowledge engulfing you, bringing you to your first spark of chess eureka...your life of chess is now shining bright, filling the room with energy...to the present, those moments have passed like that of headlights from a car. The life of chess that you lived is now but a puddle of wax. The last of the hydrocarbons released from your spent wick are floating in the room of your chess career, drifting away with the memories from the collective unconscious.
I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time
On November 06 2013 23:09 Highcard wrote:
isn't carlsen 3-6-20 vs this dude, how could you say 80% to win
Anand has been top 5 in the world for roughly 20 years now. Carlsen is barely over 20 years old. A bunch of their matches took place when carlsen was a few years younger and not near his peak.
And 100 rating points is a fucking lot. I believe in any given game ignoring white or black advantage/disadvantage carlsen has .63 equity. So if they draw 60% then carlsen wins 33%, draw 60%, anand wins 7%. Its really hard to overcome that disadvantage in a 12 game series. Carlsen just wins a lot. Some guys on 2p2 programmed simulations on those numbers and carlsen won >90%.
There are a couple shortfalls in the numbers though. For one when anand is white he will probably gain 50ish rating points. Maybe more. While carlsen says fuck theory and plays off beat lines, anand is one of the best preparers in the game. That is not to say he only memorizes a bunch of book lines, but he and his team have come up with innovative lines that gave him really big impressive wins (check out his match va aronian from tata steel this year). So if anand won an early game with a new line then carlsen might drop to 65-70%.
And anand has home court advantage. India is a big advantage. Carlsen could get sick and has to adjust to a very different time zone and country
Overall i think this mitigates carlsens chances but still think he wins the vast majority. Just the superior player by a wide margin
so are you betting on this?
Dont remember who it was that talked about the even line for Carlsen but I cant find better odds than 3:1
On November 07 2013 23:06 Highcard wrote:
Naib, you started off your paragraph with such vigor, while ending in a fizzle. Would you say your chess career is similar to a candle?
Feeling the warmth of chess enlightenment caressing your virgin wax, melting the foreskin of naivety. Your wick now exposed, knowledge engulfing you, bringing you to your first spark of eureka...your life of chess is now shining bright, filling the room with potential...to the present, those moments have passed like that of headlights from a car. The life of chess that you lived is now but a puddle of wax. The last of the hydrocarbons released from your spent wick are floating in the room of your chess career, drifting away with the memories from the collective unconscious.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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YoMeR United States. Nov 08 2013 15:33. Posts 12435
^ holy shit that vid is 4 hrs+ long. complete with long speeches, anthems, dance routines, huge Indian concertos, and video presentations O_o
On November 07 2013 14:57 Naib wrote:
Even I can do multiple blindfolded games (albeit not that much obviously, most I did was 3, and I was playing the same color in all of them - that makes it significantly easier, and ofc I'm playing way below my true ability in these), and I'm barely over 2100 now. One is not that hard tbh, more than one can be a bitch (especially with a rule I had to play with, which is you lose if you try to make a move that's impossible due to misremembering the board). I had to practice this as a kid because of my trainer. Not sure if I could still do it, I only play chess for fun nowadays (one game every few weeks in my club that I was a part of since the beginning of my chess 'career', early childhood that is.)
sicklol.. why did u stop?
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hiems United States. Nov 08 2013 19:21. Posts 2979
On November 07 2013 10:02 Daut wrote:
And re: blindfold matches. Any international master can probably beat 3 players of 1700 strength at the same time. There is a GM named timur gareev who did 64 games at once. 10-12 is insane for us to think about, but id be shocked if 8 versions of me would stand a chance vs any blindfolded 2700 simultaneously.
What's your rating Daut?
I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]
On November 07 2013 10:02 Daut wrote:
And re: blindfold matches. Any international master can probably beat 3 players of 1700 strength at the same time. There is a GM named timur gareev who did 64 games at once. 10-12 is insane for us to think about, but id be shocked if 8 versions of me would stand a chance vs any blindfolded 2700 simultaneously.
What's your rating Daut?
i actually dont play much real chess. i do tactics problems on chesstempo and watch the major tournaments, but dont really enjoy playing full games cause i dont have the focus for it and tilt. on chesstempo im rated 1820, but id assume if i was a live tournament grinder (LOL) id be around 1600-1700 USCF ish? but the rating systems vary so much its impossible to say and it doesnt really matter
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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morph1 Sierra Leone. Nov 09 2013 08:48. Posts 2352
damn that was disappointing 1st game ... draw in 16 move
which is def good for Anand given that he was black
hopefuly in the next 11 games we get to see some sick games
Always Look On The Bright Side of Life
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K40Cheddar United States. Nov 09 2013 10:32. Posts 2202
Nice, quick draw for Anand. Should help him keep his stamina up for the upcoming games (a real factor when you realize he's almost twice Carlsen's age).
Also, I was watching the pre-match stream for a bit. Anand came very late to the match and Carlsen was just sitting there by himself, looking visibly impatient/frustrated. Karpov used to come very late to games just to fuck with people as well.
No doubt Carlsen's sick, but I hope he can stand firm mentally on stuff outside of the board. There are a lot of psychological tricks to match play that don't exist in the tournament play that Carlsen's been dominating.
On November 09 2013 09:51 Sanai wrote:
Nice, quick draw for Anand. Should help him keep his stamina up for the upcoming games (a real factor when you realize he's almost twice Carlsen's age).
Also, I was watching the pre-match stream for a bit. Anand came very late to the match and Carlsen was just sitting there by himself, looking visibly impatient/frustrated. Karpov used to come very late to games just to fuck with people as well.
No doubt Carlsen's sick, but I hope he can stand firm mentally on stuff outside of the board. There are a lot of psychological tricks to match play that don't exist in the tournament play that Carlsen's been dominating.
surprising to see anand do it though. he seems like hes the nicest guy ever. like anand definitely could have played for an advantage this game it looks like but was just like ok you want to draw lets do it good game chap see you tomorrow!
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
On November 09 2013 09:51 Sanai wrote:
Nice, quick draw for Anand. Should help him keep his stamina up for the upcoming games (a real factor when you realize he's almost twice Carlsen's age).
Also, I was watching the pre-match stream for a bit. Anand came very late to the match and Carlsen was just sitting there by himself, looking visibly impatient/frustrated. Karpov used to come very late to games just to fuck with people as well.
No doubt Carlsen's sick, but I hope he can stand firm mentally on stuff outside of the board. There are a lot of psychological tricks to match play that don't exist in the tournament play that Carlsen's been dominating.
surprising to see anand do it though. he seems like hes the nicest guy ever. like anand definitely could have played for an advantage this game it looks like but was just like ok you want to draw lets do it good game chap see you tomorrow!
Haha yeah, he looks like such a nice, middle-aged man. But you can't be the champ without having that sort of coldness.
And you're right, there were some points where Anand could have played for an advantage, but I think the quick draw plays right into Anand's hands. For one thing, this is a 12-game match. Carlsen got white first game, he's got the media and hype surrounding him, he wants to take an early win and gain the momentum (especially since now Anand gets white for games 6 and 7 consecutively). He chose a opening sequence with a lot of positional moves that just developed his pieces, expecting a long game (at least a long midgame). But Anand forces this quick draw, blunts the momentum, and says "pz c ya tmr." I wouldn't be surprised if this frustrated Carlsen even more. It resets the series with Anand now having white-advantage (more games as white).
found this site that shows if the moves are good or not. Looks like they both basically play GTO chess. crazy they just have all the best moves memorized or something
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traxamillion United States. Nov 10 2013 05:36. Posts 10468
dam looks like they are going for the threefold draw. and im learning what this RG3 Rg2 stuff means
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traxamillion United States. Nov 10 2013 05:38. Posts 10468
holy shit that was boring and anticlimactic. So basically at any point they can both decide to just each move the same piece back and forth three times and boom draw. SiCK
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traxamillion United States. Nov 10 2013 05:39. Posts 10468
do they just play one game a day? and seriously why do they do that intentional draw thing? They both don't really like their position or its completely even and they just dont want to play it out or what?
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traxamillion United States. Nov 10 2013 05:42. Posts 10468
or is it that the optimal move at that point just happened to be whatever moves led to the threefold draw and neither player is willing to deviate from optimal strategy in order to prevent the draw? that would make the most sense i guess
It's like a balanced position and whoever takes the first step to try to penetrate the opposition's defences, will likely get behind. So it's a stalemate.
Hmm, I also wish I understood it more, seem awesome. And crazy prize money!!
Saw on several channels today on Norwegian televion, all kinds of documetaries, different than the one linked here. Following his dad, and he usually prepare meals and help in any way he can. One day a week is for modelling, photoshoot and interviews all day, crazy stuff.
He also got on the list for Time magazine 100 most influential people on earth.
Charlie Rose seems so aggressive, almost dangerous with his language. He got some good interesting statements out of Magnus as the video reached the last 5th part.
On November 10 2013 04:38 traxamillion wrote:
holy shit that was boring and anticlimactic. So basically at any point they can both decide to just each move the same piece back and forth three times and boom draw. SiCK
Anticlimactic maybe but not boring. They played the whole game under 1h15 which is like close to speed of light Also it was oddly refreshing to see the now rare caro-kann!
Let me humbly explain why I liked the middle game here. Up to move 15, Carlsen seemed on the defensive since a f5 advance by white sounded like trouble and thus he could never prepare the counter-play c5. After this last 15.Ne4 move from white, their g pawn is now free to advance and after say 16.g4, white pawns would be marching on and I was under the impression that all black were trying to do was not get their king-side smashed open. Tables turned when Carlsen found that 17... Qd5 would force a queen exchange. (Black's queen is forking white's queen and the a2 pawn)
I'm just an average joe, but during the game I thought that not exchanging with 18.Qg4 on the next move would bring a strong position for Anand by threatening the h6 pawn (Bxh6) as well as an attack on black's king after Rh3 and Rh2. I was wrong, and the exchange was an exciting surprise to me. Now Carlsen was playing on his terms.
After the queen exchange, even though it started to smell drawish, Carlsen at last looked in good shape being on the right side of a "good vs bad bishop" endgame.
Pawn structure on the queen side is screaming bad bishop for white with all those pawns on dark squares. Anand knew his initiative had dried up and had to agree to a draw with the white pieces.
Trax I had the same questions after watching the first game. My head exploded when the match was like 1.5 hours long, 16 plays happened and then it just drew out with literally nothing happening.
I thought this was going to go much faster, but I read that avg games could go 4-7hours, which makes sense now why it is spaced out, but damn is this hard to enjoy without any chess knowledge.
I think I like most from this is the sick hustle of a month long grudge match. Pretty epic hu between master minds. Just a very slow, drawn out, and hard to appreciate grudge match for the lay man
I have learned from poker that being at the table is not a grind, the grind is living and poker is how I pass the time
On November 12 2013 07:36 kingpowa wrote:
ok stupid question. The clocks were approaching 0, when one hour has been added to both. What does it correspond to ?
They have 2 hours for first 40 moves, then an additionnal hour for the next 20 moves.
You may want to follow a stream with commentary, they would have told you!
anand coming off quite risk-averse/complication-averse in g3. i honestly think stamina and energy conservation is a motivating factor for him. doubt he wanted to get drawn into an uncertain position (which could be quite taxing) at this juncture, especially with a fresh white start waiting right around the corner.
On November 12 2013 07:36 kingpowa wrote:
ok stupid question. The clocks were approaching 0, when one hour has been added to both. What does it correspond to ?
They have 2 hours for first 40 moves, then an additionnal hour for the next 20 moves.
You may want to follow a stream with commentary, they would have told you!
I actually did, and I thought it was quite interesting, but I could not focus on it all the time (being at work). And to be honest, I don't think that I am capable enough and interested enough to follow it non stop for such a long game.
Thanks for the explanation.
On November 12 2013 07:36 kingpowa wrote:
ok stupid question. The clocks were approaching 0, when one hour has been added to both. What does it correspond to ?
They have 2 hours for first 40 moves, then an additionnal hour for the next 20 moves.
You may want to follow a stream with commentary, they would have told you!
I actually did, and I thought it was quite interesting, but I could not focus on it all the time (being at work). And to be honest, I don't think that I am capable enough and interested enough to follow it non stop for such a long game.
Thanks for the explanation.
i was watching an interview after one of the matches and magnus said his black game has been better than his white game.... how are they any different? im clearly missing something
On November 13 2013 06:10 SmokingDough wrote:
i was watching an interview after one of the matches and magnus said his black game has been better than his white game.... how are they any different? im clearly missing something
White and black don't play for the same goal and thus the play is often different.
As black, you usually are happy with a draw and this is mostly what you aim for. On the other hand, as white you need to push the engine to win and prevent black from turtling.
In game 1, Carlsen failed as white (game drawn after like an hour) while he achieved an easy draw as black in game 2.
Game is totally epic atm. Caster has been screaming at almost move since move 30 and if black was anybody but Carlsen, that game would've been drawn an hour ago. Just because it's him we just don't know it's crazy.
Every time you think simplification is going to happen next he refuses to exchange pieces and he makes the position more tactical and complicated... They have been at it for 4.5 hours now this must be torture for Anand to be in such a position with white.
Btw 18 000 viewers for chessnetwork right now, he's got to be happy, reminds me of day9 celebrating the first time he had 500 viewers
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traxamillion United States. Nov 13 2013 10:05. Posts 10468
Wake up and they are still playing. Did the live broadcast end?
Hands have been shaken! Too bad Carlsen couldn't win as black, awesome show anyway.
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traxamillion United States. Nov 13 2013 10:27. Posts 10468
Why would carlsen offer a draw with a king 2 rooks and 3 pawns versus anand's king 2 rooks 1 pawn?
Is that not such a big advantage and still just basically a draw position?
In real chess can you march your pawn down to the other side and get a queen or is that just some home game rule?
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morph1 Sierra Leone. Nov 13 2013 10:31. Posts 2352
He offered draw when it was a draw position rook + pawn vs rook and it's a dead draw
Yes you just march down your pawn and promote to whatever piece you want
Always Look On The Bright Side of Life
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traxamillion United States. Nov 13 2013 10:36. Posts 10468
Did carlsen screw up at some point then in the last few moves and lose his third pawn? At one point in the last 8 moves it was definitely 3 pawns to 1 then all of a sudden they started playing super fast making instant moves and trades down to that draw position and GGd
So that's why I ask if you can still win with 3 pawns to 1 and each side 2 rooks also
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morph1 Sierra Leone. Nov 13 2013 11:00. Posts 2352
yea but that position was like inevitable from there
it were all (not literaly) forced moves that lead to the draw
Always Look On The Bright Side of Life
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blackjacki2 United States. Nov 13 2013 13:23. Posts 2581
it wasn't 3 pawns vs 1 pawn. yes, there were technically 3 pawns on the board for black but one of them was doomed to be captured so you can't count that one
sounds like carlsen had a very cool line around move 36 with sacrficing the exchange (rook for minor piece) and simplifying to an endgame with lots of pawns but didnt take it. but overall if you are going to follow this and arent a master, you need to watch a live stream or a recap video like this
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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K40Cheddar United States. Nov 13 2013 23:37. Posts 2202
On November 13 2013 09:27 traxamillion wrote:
Why would carlsen offer a draw with a king 2 rooks and 3 pawns versus anand's king 2 rooks 1 pawn?
The simplifying endgame led to rook+king vs rook+pawn+king which is draw if the opponents king can get behind the pawn and have his rook protect from the side.
Interestingly, game 5 ended up again with rook + 2 pawns vs rook + 1 pawn, but this time Carlsen had rook pawns instead of connected pawns and this difference meant win instead of draw GG.
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Nov 15 2013 10:57. Posts 3093
game 5 was awesome
it's so cool, norway's biggest tv channel is showing the matches live, in their entirety, with some of norway's second finest chess players commentating and analyzing possible future moves. It's surprisingly entertaining - and I normally don't even like playing chess cuz it's too slow. but somehow watching it was thoroughly enjoyable.
looks like anand could have saved a draw but blundered with Rc1+ and its pretty logical why Ra1 was a better move. Apparently Nakamura was stunned Anand didnt play it
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
On November 15 2013 09:57 Liquid`Drone wrote:
game 5 was awesome
it's so cool, norway's biggest tv channel is showing the matches live, in their entirety, with some of norway's second finest chess players commentating and analyzing possible future moves. It's surprisingly entertaining - and I normally don't even like playing chess cuz it's too slow. but somehow watching it was thoroughly enjoyable.
you are missing out.... VGlive with Hans Olav Lahlum is 100x better
:D
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Liquid`Drone Norway. Nov 16 2013 13:03. Posts 3093
yes and its cause of his style. he avoids sharp tactical wars, plays really strategic and solid, never makes any mistakes in the end game and just keeps games going, continues to test his opponents and hopes someone blunders. in the end he draws 3/4 and wins 1/4 vs 2700+ guys. its really incredible.
the only times ive ever seen him get outplayed are vs caruana (probably the best talent besides carlsen) and ivanchuk who is a total savant and really random but capable of beating anyone but neither of those guys can do it consistently. and i think i remember some games where kramnik was able to squeeze him positionally but not able to finish him off. theres just nobody who is as strategic and as strong at endgames as he is
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
Watched for 6-7 hours today, still don't feel I get it, but cool to see how much attention it's getting in Norway. Over 700.000 tuned in to one of the matches, and it's like 4-5 million people in norway.
300% increase in sold chessboards last few days as well lol. And most schools and classes are now Chesstime.
On November 16 2013 16:08 Daut wrote:
yes and its cause of his style. he avoids sharp tactical wars, plays really strategic and solid, never makes any mistakes in the end game and just keeps games going, continues to test his opponents and hopes someone blunders. in the end he draws 3/4 and wins 1/4 vs 2700+ guys. its really incredible.
Couldn't agree more. The game that best illustrates this to me is this one from the 2013 Tata Steel Tournament in which Carlsen won a 92-moves marathon against Karjakin to take the lead after round 8. He then crushed the remaining opponents to win the tournament with an awesome 10.0/13.0
yea that svidler. decent % of his tweets are poker related. guess its time to stop posting brag pictures every time i solve a chesstempo problem rated above 1900 lol
anand is a pussy. clearly he is going to try something more drastic in games 9-11, but ffs these dead position ruy's are not working for him. cant believe he didnt go for like a dragon today cause magnus will probably play c4 or nf3 in games 10/12 if it gets close. this might have been anand's chance to really go for something where he can win a higher % instead of draw
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
On Norwegian TV, a grand master who just got interviewed said that he thinks Ananad thinks that there is a solution for him to get ahead in this next move. But the computer says there are none, and he keeps searching for something that isn't there. And this is pretty good for Carlsen.
traxamillion United States. Nov 21 2013 13:35. Posts 10468
Dam I must say Magnus -350 was probably the free-est money I have ever found online. Didn't know much about him before the match other than that he was some boss prodigy maybe as good as fisher with a way higher Elo rating than anyone else. I also bet thinking it was a one day event . This format gave carlsen a much bigger chance to realize his edge. Seems like magnus is just much better than vishy even though vishy is a top ten human. Carlsen with that GTO game seeing everything and playing much faster than vishy in general.
Would Magnus still get trashed by a modern top computer program?
why would vishy let Magnus queen up his pawn at b1 (c1? This is why I'm not a GM lol) on move 26-27? Seems like its pretty hard to beat 2 queens. Would sliding his room over to block the pawn in the b file open up some other hole?
if anand plays accurately with 28. Bf1 instead then eventually Magnus has to give up the 2nd queen for a knight in order to prevent mate on the h file. Qg7 is not a mate threat due to the knight defending that square, but doubling the rook and queen on the h file is a threat, so magnus has to insert his queen there to stop it but anand can take it with the knight. with the knight on f1 that is not possible later. and anand has to give up a rook for it. end result is with this line anand is down a rook, with the other line, anand is down a knight but has a very powerful attack on the h file that carlsen has to give up another minor piece to deal with and they end up about equal lol. would have been a ton of fun to watch if anand played correctly
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traxamillion United States. Nov 21 2013 14:39. Posts 10468
Yea for sure woulda been intersting. Magnus played so quick I think it lulled anand into Nf1 instead of moving the bishop cause like he said in the press conference he was just focusing on the one line he came up with when he banked for 40 mins and somehow overlooked Qe1
On November 21 2013 12:35 traxamillion wrote:
Would Magnus still get trashed by a modern top computer program?
I'm no expert but I think top players beat even houdini (3300 ELO) in correspondance chess, because computers are bad at positional chess no matter how long they think while humans never blunder given unlimited time.
Not sure anyone can win in a normal game against it though, even playing anti-computer systems. Last time I heard of such match, Kramnik lost 2-0... in 2006.
i think if the top 10 chess players in the world got together and without the help of any computers or anything played a WC match together against houdini they would lose 12-0. or maybe 8-0 4 draws. it would be a massacre though
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i think you are wrong, but if i was a top 10 chess player i would not want to do that challenge though, sucks if you lose, what do you get by winning? lose/lose situation..
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traxamillion United States. Nov 21 2013 15:35. Posts 10468
What is correspondence chess?
I read that given unlimited time (days per move for the human) the human player could still defeat the comp but this was many years ago because the comp maxed out while the human player could go deeper. Looks like the chess engines today find optimal moves/lines in almost realtine though.
I do know that computer ElO cannot be compared to human ELO. Or more accurately humans and computers cannot be compared using their respective ELOs. Comp Elo is found comp vs comp. human Elo is human vs human.
I guess the shorter the time constraints the bigger the computer edge? Ultimately chess is a solvable game though so i imagine with increasing comp power humans have no chance.
Magnus should play Houdini though to find out where we are at
On November 21 2013 12:35 traxamillion wrote: A Would Magnus still get trashed by a modern top computer program?
Bwhy would vishy let Magnus queen up his pawn at b1 (c1? This is why I'm not a GM lol) on move 26-27? Seems like its pretty hard to beat 2 queens. Would sliding his room over to block the pawn in the b file open up some other hole?
A. He'd have a very hard time of it even against a mobile phone. In 2009, Pocket Fritz 4 scored 9.5/10 in a tournament vs grandmasters, running on a 528 MHz HTC Touch HD phone. The phone was able to search only twenty thousand positions per second. With a modern gaming computer, costing say around $1000, you'd easily search twenty million positions. The software has also improved a lot: today's top chess engines are many times stronger than pocket fritz was in 2009. Carlsen has little chance to win a game. He would lose most games and perhaps draw some of them.
B. You mean like this?
27. Rb1?? loses against 27 ... Qa5
White will soon lose his rook. Taking the pawn with 28. Rxb2 loses to 28 ... Qa1+, which attacks both the white king and the Rook. White has no way to defend them both. If white just leaves the rook there, black will next move his queen to A2. White has no pieces nearby to stop black from promoting his B-pawn, except sacrificing the rook. It's an easily won game for black.
White's move in the game, 27. Rf4, has a much better chance of a draw. Sure, black promotes to a queen with 27. ... b1=Q+, but he must soon sacrifice his queen to prevent getting mated. 28. Bf1 Qd1 29. Rh4 Qh5. If black didn't put his new queen on h5 to block, white would mate him with Qh7. So, off goes the new queen. The position looks equal after
traxamillion United States. Nov 21 2013 16:50. Posts 10468
Cool I was thinking of just leaving the rook at b2 but I see now its pretty obvious the black queen could quickly foil that and white is better served setting up that queen rook mate threat on the H file
flounder44 United States. Nov 21 2013 23:13. Posts 916
game 9 epic..... in the end i think the 40 min think on that one move made anand self destruct altho it was a great move despite obv. blunder. What time is the next game in US time?
Crazy endgame 10, no matter how this end it's a must see. Both players managed to promote a new queen after carlsen sacked a knight for 2 pawns, just to get in this Queen + 3 pawns vs Queen + Knight + 1 pawn endgame, so unusual
I must say, it's night and day difference how he comes off when talking English compared to Norwegian. He seems much more at ease, happier, and more authentic when he's talking in his native tongue.
The 4-5 questions the Norwegian media asked him right after the press conference were good, and he smiled naturally, and gave honest replies, unlike the shitty press conference.
They said that hundreds of thousands of Norwegians had been watching every day, and that his local Chess store was sold out on chess boards. And he replies with a smile, and says great. And that he's very honored to have got such coverage. Then next question, his sister is in the studio, what he think of that? And he teases with "mm, she's always trying to take the spotlight". And it continues in that trend until he got scared of all the Indians yelling for him to speak in English, and he left.
fuck them, in football you can talk in your native language if you want, even if they know you speak better english them most indians, you can and should speak your language if they are bm like that!
wow anand actually blundered with 28 ... Qg5 Carlsen had a win, all he had to do was keep the tension after 29 moves. 30. exd6 lets anand off the hook. if he doesnt take he can just slowly build up and improve the position and anand cant do anything since hes tied down.
doesnt matter though. end result is the same. fun end game where both guys basically played perfect. there were a lot of pitfalls they could have fallen into and both avoided all of them
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traxamillion United States. Nov 22 2013 15:04. Posts 10468
What do you think the real odds on this were?
-2000 magnus? More
If I could go back two weeks I would throw every penny I have at Magnus -350
On November 22 2013 14:56 casinocasino wrote:
is the skill difference that big amongst the best in chess? i mean 90-95% edge?
anand simply isnt one of the very best. he used to be, but has been off form for 2-3 years now. hes still ranked #9, but between 1995 and 2010 he was at some points #1 and usually top 5
vs the #2 or #3 players (aronian and kramnik), carlsen would probably be 70-75%. vs each other, aronian and kramnik would likely be 50/50. carlsen is just way way ahead of the pack at this point
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On November 22 2013 09:13 xicotaSLB wrote:
fuck them, in football you can talk in your native language if you want, even if they know you speak better english them most indians, you can and should speak your language if they are bm like that!
because soccer players are usually uneducated brutes, unlike chess players, have you seen poker players giving interviews in their own language for foreign media? not common
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TalentedTom Canada. Feb 27 2014 17:44. Posts 20070
has Carlsen played a chess bot yet? I know the version 2 of blue something lost to kasparov 3-2 but that was over 10 years ago, cant imagine any GM can beat a expert bot nowaways
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waga United Kingdom. Feb 27 2014 17:53. Posts 2375
it was deep blue.
nowadays chess computers destroy humans.
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