(Videos) Change your ways - Page 2

Very few have courage to speak out, cause they are afraid to be judged as crazy by the commom sense of the people that live around them. Ppl already started sending me pm saying they are in the same boat or want to know more, but they dont post here cause they dont want to be judged by the public. I dont care what you think, Im what I am.

On May 31 2012 11:32 tutz wrote: That is not what I said. If I make a point and back it with few data, you will make a logical obvious questions to dismantle my point. Any kinda of what I consider good amount of evidence can only be know by going thought a huge amount of data. The videos I posted above will give you that minimum amount of data. Im not down to start an endless discusion with bashing and sense of superiority from any parts, its a waste of time. Dont twist my words. Starting a discusion here is like going to a church with a bunch of christians there and trying to convince them their god aint real, its pointless. The data is here, its your choice to look it up or not. Pretty sure some people are gonna look small parts of these videos and come here to make fun of me, call me stupid, cause that makes them feel awesome and so they go on to their sad life. Im glad a few will choose a different path, those are the ones Im looking for.

PhD students in their 4th year have gone through a huge amount of data in their field. You have spent a month watching YouTube videos and reading corresponding websites. The fact you acknowledge someone could poke holes in your argument and therefore you won't.present it is also absurd. You just don't want your ideas logically challenged by things like competing evidence, facts, or the scientific method. I can only hope your are joking when you say truthism.org is a good website.
People say they don't post here because they don't want to be judged by the public? It's a few.hundred people on a poker forum, who the fuck cares.what the others think.

btw I do appreciate u at least putting this in a blog entry where it belongs and.not general forum

Hey palak, I totally understand you and where your opnions come from. I dont think I'm smarter than anyone here. Lets just say I came across all this information, it changed the way I think about a lot of things and it made me want to share it in my own blog. So you can choose to look it up or not, that is totally up to you. I would totally aprecciate if a lot of you guys went through what I posted for sure, but thats your personal decision. The truthism.org is a good website, but there is not enough data there, it just makes most people laugh at mock about all that, cause it is too crazy to be true, I know it. I dont expect a few written pages to change the way you look the world around you.

If information you come across alters your perception of reality you should be able to condense sections of it into key facts which you can list with ease. Telling people to go look up the basic info on their own or watch YouTube vids is equivalent to a Christian going "I am Christian cuz of the bible. U want info? Well here read the bible b/c I won't tell you bout it." or a young earth creationist saying "The world is 6000 years old, I know you can prove that false with logic. But that's.only.because you don't have the full information." If logic rips apart a philosophy's initial statement the rest of it falls apart. It's advocates then just choose irrational faith and ignorance. The whole scientific philosophy isn't to prove hypothesis A it is to disprove all hypothesis except hypothesis A.

Yep, both comparison are correct. The conclusion of that is: in case 1: you go through the bible info and concludes its a retarded book, so you dont become a christian. In case 2: you ask the person for the full information, they give you, you go through it and concludes the earth is not 6000 years old. In both cases you should go through the data to come you a full conclusion on the matter, what havent happened here.

Ok, let's assume that a lot or maybe even all of this is true. Even then it wouldn't make sense for this stuff to be on TV/internet/whatever because if I'd be some kind of extra terrestrial overlord ruling mankind I'd kill the bitch who supposedly found it all out before he could spread the word. Nobody is going to miss a single human being and that way the risk of being exposed is eliminated. I didn't go through 20 hours of Youtube because quite frankly, I have better things to do. But reading a bit on that website which you called good and nothing seems to make sense. All they say is that we are oblivious to the truth and preach that they know the actual truth, yet they don't bring any arguments forward that actually backs their reasoning. Except for the pictures that come from The History Channel. Let's not forget though that according to them the media is in on the conspiracy and are not to be believed. Yet they use it to bring extremely weak arguments to their own case.

This entire story reeks of the following line of argumentation: I'm right because I'm right. That's not any sensical form of argumentation, it's 12 year olds do when they have heated arguments. Seriously, I'm trying to keep an open mind here and I'm not even rejecting the idea of us being ruled by outer space aliens. I just won't take it for granted without solid proof. That's the reason I don't believe in God and do believe in science because it's makes logical sense to me thinking about it. If that makes me a retarded human being then so be it.

On May 31 2012 13:49 Kilay wrote: Ok, let's assume that a lot or maybe even all of this is true. Even then it wouldn't make sense for this stuff to be on TV/internet/whatever because if I'd be some kind of extra terrestrial overlord ruling mankind I'd kill the bitch who supposedly found it all out before he could spread the word. Nobody is going to miss a single human being and that way the risk of being exposed is eliminated. I didn't go through 20 hours of Youtube because quite frankly, I have better things to do. But reading a bit on that website which you called good and nothing seems to make sense. All they say is that we are oblivious to the truth and preach that they know the actual truth, yet they don't bring any arguments forward that actually backs their reasoning. Except for the pictures that come from The History Channel. Let's not forget though that according to them the media is in on the conspiracy and are not to be believed. Yet they use it to bring extremely weak arguments to their own case. This entire story reeks of the following line of argumentation: I'm right because I'm right. That's not any sensical form of argumentation, it's 12 year olds do when they have heated arguments. Seriously, I'm trying to keep an open mind here and I'm not even rejecting the idea of us being ruled by outer space aliens. I just won't take it for granted without solid proof. That's the reason I don't believe in God and do believe in science because it's makes logical sense to me thinking about it. If that makes me a retarded human being then so be it.

Really liked your post! Hopefully you get more curious about all this and go after more and more info. PM if you wanna discuss about it with me. Cheers

Case 1 wouldn't be just reading the bible. It would be reading the bible plus religious writings of the Christian faith like Thomas Aquinas, papel doctrines, etc. Possibly decades of reading.

Case 2 would require getting a PhD in geology or biology or chemistry or all 3. It would again be at least a decade of devoted study.

No matter how much study you put in people will still say "oh you don't have all the data." Because you never will and they will never be convinced that you have studied enough since you disagree with them.

In this case you dont need a PhD. Just look the videos, if in the end of all of it you are not at least curious to know more about it, just call me retard and move on. I wont ask you to look up for more info.

4 of your vids I could open are from Icke who thinks Humans were made by reptoid aliens, 1 was zeitgest, the other (last one) is from a source which claims there was a satanic ritual performed during the halftime show of the superbowl. Rest I can't open right now. It boggles me you can take a man seriously who says aliens came to earth looking for monoatomic gold consumption of which allows for them to shapeshift.

On May 31 2012 13:49 tutz wrote: Yep, both comparison are correct. The conclusion of that is: in case 1: you go through the bible info and concludes its a retarded book, so you dont become a christian. In case 2: you ask the person for the full information, they give you, you go through it and concludes the earth is not 6000 years old. In both cases you should go through the data to come you a full conclusion on the matter, what havent happened here.

More like in case 1 you pick up the bible and put it back down because you don't need to read it to know it's bullshit made by scared goat herders 2000 years ago. Same with a lot of conspiracy theory stuff. I don't need to spend 3 hours watching something to figure it's bullshit and think the producer/writer/host is probably schizophrenic or something.

What bugs me about a lot of conspiracy theories is that they get a couple good ideas then miss the mark so completely it's absurd. It's obvious that corporations rape lands and peoples and push down what they can give their low class workers as low as they can. It's not some a conspiracy and it has nothing to do with NWO, it's just solid business practices

Also fwiw I've seen a very close connection between these kinds of NWO conspiracies and a (Christian) belief in the rapture. They're not necessarily connected, but remember these are the minds of (some) people who talk about this stuff

lol Took me probably 20 hours of videos and several pages of reading to start considering any of these theories, you guys come here write a few lines and think you know evertything. Why did I went through all this if I tought it was bullshit at first? Because I was curious about it. If you dont think the subject is interesting, dont fucking waste your precious time with it. I'm not saying you will come to the conclusion men is rulled by aliens after watching this stuff, but I think most would consider new posibilities about the world we live in.

i think it's amazing that pooruser solved the thread and people are still engaging tutz =o

Raiderns post occurred bout 90 mins after tutz blog post, unless mods edited the time. in which case touche mods

On May 31 2012 14:43 tutz wrote: lol Took me probably 20 hours of videos and several pages of reading to start considering any of these theories, you guys come here write a few lines and think you know evertything.

this is backwards...should be thousands of pages of reading and 20 seconds of video.

I don't understand why you even try to reach them they will only accept what they already agree with and think they will only find truth getting a phd all bought and paid for.

There is no soul, only the physical world you see and then you die. Even if that's true it's not a very solid base to build nations on and people will start worshiping stupid shit like celebrities or materialism (oh fuck already happened). The more people talk about atheism the more I am drawn into researching the beliefs of my ancestors (no not christianity). Could there be a gradual process at work? we saw christianity and those religions demonize and take over the old teachings, now crosses and things are slowly getting banned, atheism comes in double whammy people start hating humanity the greatest plague of earth, just a theory.

Why are you wearing sunglasses inside?

whats the most interesting video out of the videos you linked, tutz?

this thread seriously reminded me of a friend of mine who believed anciept egypt had a much more advanced technology than the one we have now

Most interesting I think I would have to say its Zeitgeist 3, I think almost anyone can watch and find it good and worth watching. Its not as "crazy" as most of the other videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ex8U_4rJn4s

But there are other videos that caught my eye a lot more than Zeitgeist 3, but I think one would need a certain previous knowledge to find it that interesting. And for the ones that think I'm trolling, I'm not. I'm wearing sunglasses because my face is very sleepy and I have bags under my eyes.

look up manly p hall pretty good.