detoxing/diets etc

i call bullshit on "cleanses". Just a lifelong diet containing 25g+ of fiber daily and lots of water. I've done a hardcore bodybuilding diet of no added fats (butter, oil, cream, etc.) and no sugars which I don't recommend because that shit will mess with your brain function and you will become short fused, cranky, and forgetful. I can't have liquid meals because I'll just get diarrhea.

If anything, buy an emulsifier, one of those high speed blenders that allow you to liquefy whole fruits and vegetables and drink 1-2 those drinks a day. Don't use a juicer because a juicer removes all the skins/seeds where most of the nutrients are.

On April 22 2012 22:47 LikeASet wrote: i call bullshit on "cleanses". Just a lifelong diet containing 25g+ of fiber daily and lots of water. I've done a hardcore bodybuilding diet of no added fats (butter, oil, cream, etc.) and no sugars which I don't recommend because that shit will mess with your brain function and you will become short fused, cranky, and forgetful. I can't have liquid meals because I'll just get diarrhea. If anything, buy an emulsifier, one of those high speed blenders that allow you to liquefy whole fruits and vegetables and drink 1-2 those drinks a day. Don't use a juicer because a juicer removes all the skins/seeds where most of the nutrients are.

yea but with a juicer it doesn't taste like shit, or have that disgusting texture.

oops, double post

Its still far better for you to keep the fiber. Not least of the many reasons is that it makes you feel 'full'. With juice you don't feel full until you have eaten too many calories, so you get fat.

Cleanses seem pretty bullshit. They might have some pacebo effect over just having a soild diet, but other than that..

Start reading some basic bodybuilding imo. scoobys is good for noobies :o

there is nothing common between bodybuilding and trying to clean your body, I don't know why guys keep advicing mnj to bodybuild when he wants to have a cleaner body environment. I will suggest he researches Vitamin B3 (Niacin), Chlorella, Marine Phytoplankton, Wheatgrass, and also 3-day diets involving only drinking water/juice. Alkalizing your body is how you get rid of many viruses and other bad bacteria. You may also go hardcore with enemas. You may youtube Bear Grylls' way of giving yourself enemas while sailing in the middle of the ocean.



LOL how much do they pay this guy

^ He got fired just months when he was told to do something else (non-sick show) for the network. lol i guess he just rolls like that

yea but with a juicer it doesn't taste like shit, or have that disgusting texture.

Doesn't taste like shite don't mix weird combinations like vegetables and fruit.
Anyway just cook with raw ingredients from scratch. Omega 3, green tea. Avoid soft drinks, pizza and white breads and stuff like that but very hard to.

Best cleansing way is to fast for 12-18 hours every once in a while. Drink water obv, just not too much for obv reason.

Where is all this coming from ? A referral of any sort would be welcome. I'd read a page or two about this stuff.

i'd recommend colon cleanse. A lot of the times large intestines get so clogged up very few amounts of nutrients get absorbed into your system. This is bad. Focus on a cleanse, then start dieting. What use dieting if no nutrients being absorbd.


Cleanse ------ > Diet 5-6 meals a day --------- > Training weights + cardio -----------> Bag da bitches

Cleansing is crap.

You're basically stressing your body more rather than starting to eat healthy.

Juicing is crap. You're basically making fruits and vegetables into sugar water. If you want sugar water you can go drink soda.

Scooby's is not good. He preaches a lot of fitness myths.

Colon cleanse is a scam.

Like GoTunk said... if you want to "cleanse" you should fast... or just start eating clean.

Cleansing is crap. Like most 'alternative' practices
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/detox_overview.html
http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives...s-are-a-waste-of-money-886935423.html

On April 23 2012 09:40 nerdonpoker wrote: i'd recommend colon cleanse. A lot of the times large intestines get so clogged up very few amounts of nutrients get absorbed into your system. This is bad. Focus on a cleanse, then start dieting. What use dieting if no nutrients being absorbd. Cleanse ------ > Diet 5-6 meals a day --------- > Training weights + cardio -----------> Bag da bitches

Colon cleansing is based on a prescientific theoretical model adopted from Ancient Egypt, involves the use of herbs and/or enemas (called colonics) to remove food that proponents claim remains in the colon and rots, producing symptoms and general ill-health. The colon usually does not require any help cleaning itself, and the practices can be both expensive and potentially dangerous.[1 - Wiki

unless you rather believe in forum members.

The premise of body cleansing is based on the Ancient Egyptian and Greek idea of autointoxication, in which foods consumed or in the humoral theory of health that the four humours themselves can putrefy and produce toxins that harm the body. Biochemistry and microbiology appeared to support the theory in the 19th century, but by the early twentieth century, detoxification based approaches quickly fell out of favour.[8][9] Despite abandonment by mainstream medicine, the idea has persisted in the popular imagination and amongst alternative medicine practitioners.[10][11][12] In recent years, notions of body cleansing have undergone something of a resurgence, along with many other alternative medical approaches. Nonetheless, mainstream medicine continues to produce evidence that the field is unscientific and anachronistic.[10]

wiki

"When fecal deposits are left to seat in the colon, the absorbing power of the colon becomes drastically reduced because the deposits block the colonic walls openings which normally draw water from solid wastes as they pass through the large intestine."

basically what this guys saying is shit gets stuck, get that shitt outta there.

And i for one agree. And who listens to main stream medicine anyways? All they do is prescribe you pharmaceuticals that in the end hurt you. I wouldnt listen to mainstream medicine bro.

Yea don't listen to mainstream medicine bro, do like Steve Jobs and DIE.
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On April 22 2012 22:47 LikeASet wrote: i call bullshit on "cleanses". Just a lifelong diet containing 25g+ of fiber daily and lots of water. I've done a hardcore bodybuilding diet of no added fats (butter, oil, cream, etc.) and no sugars which I don't recommend because that shit will mess with your brain function and you will become short fused, cranky, and forgetful. I can't have liquid meals because I'll just get diarrhea. If anything, buy an emulsifier, one of those high speed blenders that allow you to liquefy whole fruits and vegetables and drink 1-2 those drinks a day. Don't use a juicer because a juicer removes all the skins/seeds where most of the nutrients are.

this.

Yeah, fuck mainstream medicine with all their "tests" and "medical trials" and "science".

Next time I get sick I am just going to pump a bunch of water up my ass and watch the sickness spray out of me alongside the fecal matter...

lol so now detoxing was bad and dangerous? Never thought there was even an argument on that topic. Juicing is like drinking soda? Man, wtf is going on here. Soon some of you would even believe the "vitamins are bad" moto coming from Big Pharma propaganda. So, to stay healthy just do what mainstream medicine tells you - not more than 15 minutes of Sun exposure cause you might get skin cancer LOL, no detoxes cause your bodies are perfectly able to detox on their own even though hundreds of millions of people day every year from degenerative illnesses caused by unhealthy lifestyle and pollution and be careful with the vitamins cause your bodies are much better off with pills in your veins. Soon you will be brainwashed to think that water is bad for you and you are healthier if you drink Mountain Dew. And if you have cancer they will start giving you radioactive material to fight it off.. oh wait they already do that... Cmon, don't be idiots. The guys just want you to CONSUME MORE and be their medical patient. Detoxing ain't gonna fit well with that agenda.

And, Weak, why are you obssessed with Steve Jobs? Why do you put all "alternative therapies" in one basket and prove it's ineffectiveness by some guy's failiure with fasting on apples or some other shit? It's like showing a car crash and saying "see if you drive - you die!"

its just a perfect example of how stupidity, even from a so called genius, can lead one to make the wrong choices, in his case it lead to death. Extreme, of course, colon cleansing will not do that, that is not my point.

i don't need to prove the ineffectiveness of something that has yet to prove it has any effectiveness. that is the whole point.

There is no such thing as "cleanse", because it means removing something harmful/bad from your body. If you mean you want to eat healthy then I'd recommend avoiding meat, processed food, sugar, everything that is transformed to a large extent by human intervention. I'm not an advocate of harcore diets, those which are based on nuts and seeds, but you can engage in a better and wealthier diet based on vegetables and everything that man hasn't modified too much (whole grain bread, etc ...)

I started the Paleo diet about a week or 2 ago and I feel pretty good so far. Like other people have mentioned, generally it's pretty much about avoiding processed foods and extra sugar and salt and to eat whole foods and drink lots of water.

Here's a link that keeps it simple and provides a number of steps that you can take to improve your lifestyle:
http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

The further you go in the list, the more effect there should be.

I really felt pretty damn good on the paleo diet, but I only lasted for 3 months or so, no idea why I stopped TBH. I like candy I guess.

+1 on paleo diet. Constant meat/veggies/some nuts and fruit intake depending on weight goal. (to lose weight, eat fruit once a week, all days to gain weight)

lol @ meat being bad and bread being good.

I was on a bodybuilding diet previously and one of the main differences between that and paleo is the avoidance of grains since it turns out that grains might not actually be good for us: http://paleodietlifestyle.com/what-is-wrong-with-grains/

I'm asian tho so gotta have rice sometimes >_> Funnily enough white processed rice is a bit better as the antinutrient stuff has been stripped off the grain...

You could watch "Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead", it's all about a guy who only drinks juice for a while. I think most people who have mentioned juices haven't actually tried it because they fill you up easily. You can drink it all day and not be hungry just like Joe did in the movie. For example I was doing 2 apples, 4 or so big celery sticks, 2 carrots, about 4 big handfuls of baby spinach, half a cucumber and half a lemon and it fills you up for a long time plus tastes delicious. I tried it too see if having more fruit and vegetables made a difference to my general health (I didn't notice a difference but I already eat very well).

On April 23 2012 16:34 Achoo wrote: There is no such thing as "cleanse", because it means removing something harmful/bad from your body.

So you mean there is nothing harmful/bad in our bodies right now? You mean all the pollution we live in, industrial gases, tap water impurities, fluoride comes in our body and is turned into good nutrients instantly? Makes no sense. If there weren't plenty of harmful stuff in our bodies all the time, we wouldn't have degenerative illnesses.

On a side note, I've had some awful infection in my throat the past 4 months and nothing really helps. Doctors have found some things but they don't know what's causing all that or how to deal with it. It's taking some of the joy from my life so it's sucks ass. Modern medicine just can't help me so I gotta find an alternative that works. So far, I haven't. Or better said, I have found but I can't get a hold of it to try it. Life sux sometimes. If anyone has heard of anything amazing for throat infections just spew it out I will research it, I am fucking desperate. It's like some phantom illness is causing all this. It all started when I drank a cup of tap water from a friend's house. I instantly felt it had a nasty metallic taste that dried out my mouth. Fucking tap water!

On April 23 2012 18:07 GoTuNk wrote: lol @ meat being bad and bread being good.

You can't say meat is good, man. Fish meat can be very good for the body. All other kinds of meat have a good number of bad stuff that outweighs the good stuff in it. Also, animal protein is not very bioavailable for humans.

If it's a wholegrain bread, then it's fine cause you are eating the whole grains and they have good nutrients. However, white bread is like cardboard when it comes to nutrients. Just think of it like this - our bodies are like engines. You can put easily absorbable fresh, high quality fuel - vegetables, fruits, fish meat, etc. or you can put hardcore difficult to degrade and absorb fuel like meat, white bread, fried stuff, etc. A good test is checking the time you will get hungry again after eating a meal. If you eat some apples and get your stomach full, you will get hungry much faster again compared to if you had eaten meat. Meat is fucking hard stuff ya know. The human body is meant to be fed with plants. Of course, you can put cooking oil in your car and it will still move but the consequences are clear for everyone. Same with humans and meat. The HCL in your stomach needs much more time to dissolve it and the good nutrients would be much less than compared to veggies for example. Now of course, if you need to build a strong body for say mountain climbing or weight-lifting meat would be a good choice but strictly for health meat is not good. I love eating meat though lol .

I've had some awful infection in my throat the past 4 months and nothing really helps. Doctors have found some things but they don't know what's causing all that or how to deal with it

Either your doctors are really bad at their job, or u r not allowing proper testing for a diagnosis.

On April 24 2012 10:07 palak wrote: Show nested quote + I've had some awful infection in my throat the past 4 months and nothing really helps. Doctors have found some things but they don't know what's causing all that or how to deal with it Either your doctors are really bad at their job, or u r not allowing proper testing for a diagnosis.

given he's from Bulgaria, i'll say both

yeah, they are like "we want to test your blood" and I am like "fuck you bitches". Makes sense if you are a retard.

Not sure if u r calling drs asking for a blood test retarded, or that refusing to allow drs to test ur blood is retarded

...that's what a retard would say.

Well then u have shitty doctors

On April 24 2012 08:21 D_smart_S wrote: Show nested quote + On April 23 2012 18:07 GoTuNk wrote: lol @ meat being bad and bread being good. You can't say meat is good, man. Fish meat can be very good for the body. All other kinds of meat have a good number of bad stuff that outweighs the good stuff in it. Also, animal protein is not very bioavailable for humans. If it's a wholegrain bread, then it's fine cause you are eating the whole grains and they have good nutrients. However, white bread is like cardboard when it comes to nutrients. Just think of it like this - our bodies are like engines. You can put easily absorbable fresh, high quality fuel - vegetables, fruits, fish meat, etc. or you can put hardcore difficult to degrade and absorb fuel like meat, white bread, fried stuff, etc. A good test is checking the time you will get hungry again after eating a meal. If you eat some apples and get your stomach full, you will get hungry much faster again compared to if you had eaten meat. Meat is fucking hard stuff ya know. The human body is meant to be fed with plants. Of course, you can put cooking oil in your car and it will still move but the consequences are clear for everyone. Same with humans and meat. The HCL in your stomach needs much more time to dissolve it and the good nutrients would be much less than compared to veggies for example. Now of course, if you need to build a strong body for say mountain climbing or weight-lifting meat would be a good choice but strictly for health meat is not good. I love eating meat though lol .

It is impossible to be healthy as a vegan without consuming many supplements. It is true some/most meat is made with grain fed animals (which makes it worse, because of the grain) but whole grass fed meat is among the most complete and best nutrional resources available.
Speed of absorption correlated with food quality is retarded. Under your argument we should eat paper cause we poop it instantly, (or sugar because it is absorbed the fastest) and lions are actually vegans cause they take 12-18 hours to digest their meals.
You don't actually think we should eat raw sugar as our energy source because it digests faster than anything else right?
All grains have lots of nasty shit that is bad for you. Some people can get away with eating anything, but most people are sluggish and fat because of overeating grains and they aren't even aware.
Not to mention its borderline impossible being a competitive athlete without eating meat, guess why.

PD: I know the proper way to debate is to post a bunch of links with science, which I'll do if there is any interest in continuing this .

well yeah people who need great muscle strenth need meat like athletes, I already said that. About the speed of absorption I didn't mean it's the only factor, it's just a good indicator of how well the body deals with certain foods. Also, meat sometimes starts fermenting in the body esp when mixed with some other foods and overeating. Plant protein is much better than animal protein, you can ask any nutrionist. Nuts and grains and other seeds are generally very good because they have all the ingredients of the grown up plant. Sugar is not good of course, don't put words in my mouth .

On April 24 2012 16:07 D_smart_S wrote: well yeah people who need great muscle strenth need meat like athletes, I already said that. About the speed of absorption I didn't mean it's the only factor, it's just a good indicator of how well the body deals with certain foods. Also, meat sometimes starts fermenting in the body esp when mixed with some other foods and overeating. Plant protein is much better than animal protein, you can ask any nutrionist. Nuts and grains and other seeds are generally very good because they have all the ingredients of the grown up plant. Sugar is not good of course, don't put words in my mouth .

U don't think regular people should have strong muscles? oo

"great muscle strenth" not "muscle strength". Everyone needs muscle strength but the average Joe needs it just for normal and healthy life. If you need to compete against others, health is not your aim, but competition. Professional sport isn't always the most healthy way of life, it pushes the body to its limit for 10-15 years which is a lot. I think that was clear from my previous post. I actually sensed someone would ask the thing you just asked, I feel like some people here are taking things out of context and changing the meaning of what is said very often.

I once was feeling sick sick and had 10 days long liver- and kidneys- cleaning course. You are not allowed to eat during the course, its tough and annoying as hell to go through, you drink oil and some other terrible-tasting substances, then you crap and vomit on day 3-4 with some green shit and feel terrible overall. However I felt much better after finishing it, my illness totally went away, my vodka drinking abilites went to alot higher levels then ever before without any hangovers.