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Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 08 2012 05:35. Posts 4742 | | |
The tables are 5max.
Scenario
Utg and MP folds, the guy on the button makes it 6e. I'm in the SB with 7s8s, i elect to call due to my reads on the villain.
BB re raises to 26e
(Here my thought process is, I'll fold unless the button calls).
BTN stacksize: 180e
Hero stacksize: 200e
BB stacksize: 200e
BTN calls, I call.
Reads
Btn Villain
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He's the guy that's limped the most on the table, I've also seen him call down pretty light with 2nd pair. He was my main target at the table, and I was looking for excuses to enter a pot with him. Categorizing him as a Loose Passive type
BB Villan
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Regular, don't really see much off him, and I got a little startled when he wanted to be in the pot, can't remember having seen him play a hand the last 40 minutes. So I think this is 85% for value, but the only move I've noticed that the regulars use is that then sometimes squeeze with a high card and a low card that's suited, the occational polarized 3b, so I am a little worried about his holding
FLOP: Js Ts 6d
(pot 78e)
Hero: Checks
BB Villain: Bets out 56e
BTN Villan: Calls 56e
(pot is now 190e)
Action now on me, what do you think would be the best line in this spot, considering the reads I have? Do you flat, do you raise, do you shove? Do you ever fold?
My Line:
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I ship in the rest of my stack, around 150e
Question:
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How would you play this if stacks were 200bb, or 300b?
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I'd ship with 100bb and hope I'm not dominated. I'm probably folding pre a lot though due to being out of pos and such. |
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Eluflop   Estonia. Jan 08 2012 07:25. Posts 3835 | | |
i guess i would ship here as well, since you have pretty good persued EQ and you are out of position.
-200 300 deep i would always flat here since there is more room to play the later streets. The rest of the hand depends on the turn and river.
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A-LX   Netherlands. Jan 08 2012 07:27. Posts 1 | | |
100 bb deep I think shoving is fine even against very nutted ranges you have a lot of equity so nothing wrong with that
200bb and 300bb though, I'm not too sure, in theory raising would be correct, however to make it more profitable you need to have a lot of fold equity which I don't think you will have because of his strong range, so I think calling would be better with deeper stacks, |
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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jan 08 2012 07:37. Posts 5365 | | |
i like folding preflop with 87s as well.
As played.
i think shipping in the rest of the stack is good. if BB is a nit then Aks is the only flush draw that dominates us. Button is fish so he is calling very wide and may somehow fold a few times when we shove. Fish can make hero folds. he can fold a pair if we shove and BB calls the shove. That puts a really good amount of dead money in the pot.
We have 47% equity vs BB if he has AA, and fish folds. We are banking in that situation.
When fish calls with a range that i gave him very quickly right now, ( JJ-44,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T9s,T7s-T6s,98s,87s,KJo+,QTo+,J9o+,T7o+,97o+)and BB calls as well, we have 43% equity, and BB has less equity: 40% equity. So we are banking when both of them call us.
overall: we are making good money jaming flop.
When we are deep, i think raising flop-getting it in is ok. It puts a ton of pressure on the BB. Not too happy about it though if he has a tight 3bet range. But i'm still gona get it in, and i still think we are making money. |
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Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 08 2012 07:46. Posts 4742 | | |
Excellent replies, thank you guys.
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Id also fold pre and might make it 156 on the flop as played |
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Endo   United States. Jan 08 2012 20:50. Posts 953 | | |
excellent implied odds, altho oop.
still a fold even though fish in hand?
i dunno... |
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TalentedTom   Canada. Jan 09 2012 00:39. Posts 20070 | | |
site that dosnt allow hud, sounds like a dream site |
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traxamillion   United States. Jan 09 2012 23:46. Posts 10468 | | |
fold pre. as played ship flop |
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el_tilon   Canada. Jan 10 2012 02:48. Posts 296 | | |
| On January 08 2012 23:39 TalentedTom wrote:
site that dosnt allow hud, sounds like a dream site |
shark imo |
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THE TILTMONKEY MASTER | Last edit: 10/01/2012 02:48 |
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YoMeR   United States. Jan 12 2012 16:51. Posts 12438 | | |
def fold pre unles you got some sick reads. and even then i don't like it much. as played how can we not ship? |
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mrpav.com   Canada. Jan 26 2012 12:48. Posts 3069 | | |
What site doesn't allow hud?  |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Jan 29 2012 23:59. Posts 8947 | | |
call/fold/3b pre, for 100bb after that flop, u wanna c/r and get last bet in to take it down most often. |
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defo fold pre, 10:1 is not good enough with 78s, let alone oop 3 way
there's some equity calculators out there that will show you how infrequently you will really hit the flop hard enough to make getting it in a good play.. Its less often than 1:10 by a ways (ie you might make a Pair like 1/3 flops but you rarely have top pair etc..) |
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