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Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 08 2012 05:35. Posts 4741

The tables are 5max.


Utg and MP folds, the guy on the button makes it 6e. I'm in the SB with 7s8s, i elect to call due to my reads on the villain.

BB re raises to 26e
(Here my thought process is, I'll fold unless the button calls).

BTN stacksize: 180e
Hero stacksize: 200e
BB stacksize: 200e

BTN calls, I call.


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FLOP: Js Ts 6d
(pot 78e)

Hero: Checks

BB Villain: Bets out 56e

BTN Villan: Calls 56e

(pot is now 190e)

Action now on me, what do you think would be the best line in this spot, considering the reads I have? Do you flat, do you raise, do you shove? Do you ever fold?

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DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Jan 08 2012 07:15. Posts 8623

I'd ship with 100bb and hope I'm not dominated. I'm probably folding pre a lot though due to being out of pos and such.

Eluflop   Estonia. Jan 08 2012 07:25. Posts 3821

i guess i would ship here as well, since you have pretty good persued EQ and you are out of position.

-200 300 deep i would always flat here since there is more room to play the later streets. The rest of the hand depends on the turn and river.

A-LX   Netherlands. Jan 08 2012 07:27. Posts 1

100 bb deep I think shoving is fine even against very nutted ranges you have a lot of equity so nothing wrong with that

200bb and 300bb though, I'm not too sure, in theory raising would be correct, however to make it more profitable you need to have a lot of fold equity which I don't think you will have because of his strong range, so I think calling would be better with deeper stacks,

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jan 08 2012 07:37. Posts 3933

i like folding preflop with 87s as well.

As played.

i think shipping in the rest of the stack is good. if BB is a nit then Aks is the only flush draw that dominates us. Button is fish so he is calling very wide and may somehow fold a few times when we shove. Fish can make hero folds. he can fold a pair if we shove and BB calls the shove. That puts a really good amount of dead money in the pot.

We have 47% equity vs BB if he has AA, and fish folds. We are banking in that situation.

When fish calls with a range that i gave him very quickly right now, ( JJ-44,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T9s,T7s-T6s,98s,87s,KJo+,QTo+,J9o+,T7o+,97o+)and BB calls as well, we have 43% equity, and BB has less equity: 40% equity. So we are banking when both of them call us.
overall: we are making good money jaming flop.

When we are deep, i think raising flop-getting it in is ok. It puts a ton of pressure on the BB. Not too happy about it though if he has a tight 3bet range. But i'm still gona get it in, and i still think we are making money.

I was GTO in 2007 -wobbly_auLast edit: 08/01/2012 09:04

Mariuslol   Norway. Jan 08 2012 07:46. Posts 4741

Excellent replies, thank you guys.

truffesbio4920   . Jan 08 2012 07:49. Posts 111

Id also fold pre and might make it 156 on the flop as played

Endo   United States. Jan 08 2012 20:50. Posts 884

excellent implied odds, altho oop.

still a fold even though fish in hand?

i dunno...

TalentedTom    Canada. Jan 09 2012 00:39. Posts 20070

site that dosnt allow hud, sounds like a dream site

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traxamillion   United States. Jan 09 2012 23:46. Posts 10333

fold pre. as played ship flop

el_tilon   Canada. Jan 10 2012 02:48. Posts 296

  On January 08 2012 23:39 TalentedTom wrote:
site that dosnt allow hud, sounds like a dream site

shark imo

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YoMeR   United States. Jan 12 2012 16:51. Posts 12369

def fold pre unles you got some sick reads. and even then i don't like it much. as played how can we not ship?

eZ Life.   Canada. Jan 26 2012 12:48. Posts 3069

What site doesn't allow hud?

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NeillyJQ   United States. Jan 29 2012 23:59. Posts 8947

call/fold/3b pre, for 100bb after that flop, u wanna c/r and get last bet in to take it down most often.

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terrybunny19240   United States. Feb 04 2012 18:08. Posts 13829

defo fold pre, 10:1 is not good enough with 78s, let alone oop 3 way

there's some equity calculators out there that will show you how infrequently you will really hit the flop hard enough to make getting it in a good play.. Its less often than 1:10 by a ways (ie you might make a Pair like 1/3 flops but you rarely have top pair etc..)


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