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Handnr: 1080080
Submitted by : ThunderGod

PokerStars Zoom Hand #184110601372: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2018/03/21 1:10:08 NZT [2018/03/20 8:10:08 ET]
Table Aludra 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: piets ($13.88 in chips)
Seat 2: shooter0619 ($12.09 in chips)
Seat 3: Gasol-7 ($12.21 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($22.16 in chips)
Seat 5: AngelBear82 ($10.10 in chips)
Seat 6: pitching21 ($26.84 in chips)
shooter0619: posts small blind $0.05
Gasol-7: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero QcKc
Hero: raises $0.15 to $0.25
AngelBear82: raises $0.65 to $0.90
pitching21: folds
piets: folds
shooter0619: folds
Gasol-7: folds
Hero: raises $1.50 to $2.40
AngelBear82: calls $1.50

Flop (Pot : $4.95)

   JsQd9c
Hero: checks
AngelBear82: bets $7.70 and is all-in
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($7.70) returned to AngelBear82
AngelBear82 collected $4.73 from pot
AngelBear82: doesnt show hand

Summary
Total pot $4.95 | Rake $0.22
Board  JsQd9c
Seat 1: piets (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: shooter0619 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Gasol-7 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Hero folded on the Flop
Seat 5: AngelBear82 collected ($4.73)
Seat 6: pitching21 folded before Flop (didnt bet)



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ThunderGod   New Zealand. Mar 20 2018 13:45. Posts 22

Is this too nitty of a fold vs this overbet jam? Villain is a nit reg with 17/13/6.3 stats.
I'm only beating AK here and occasionally a chop. I have weak draws with a potentially dominated gutshot and BD flush also.
He probably should be betting his whole range here but with him being nitty I didn't think he would be jamming AK IP.
Also is it best to check this kind of flop or cbet?

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ThunderGod   New Zealand. Mar 20 2018 13:54. Posts 22

I ran it through equilab and I still have ~40% equity vs his non AK range so I guess I should call with these pot odds.


lebowski   Greece. Mar 20 2018 15:55. Posts 9129

unless he 3bets these positions a lot, which I doubt, I'd just refuse to give him any sort of action

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Baalim   Mexico. Mar 21 2018 03:45. Posts 33136

this is awful

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TimDawg    United States. Mar 21 2018 06:37. Posts 10188

this is a pretty standard call vs the 3bet pre vs most opponents

flop is an easy fold as played...no one at these stakes is doing this something your hand is good vs

online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinball 

LemOn[5thF]   Czech Republic. Mar 21 2018 12:49. Posts 14899

I'd actually recommend for you to just fold preflop against this size when you are starting out
I guess that's why you 4bet, you didn't feel comfortable calling

But UTG vs MP position 3bet you can be really tight without any real impact on your winrate, and just play loose BU/CO vs blinds , COvBU

That's the thing about learnig poker, the more mistakes you will make the less equity you realize (You take the equilab % vs his range, and shave off percentage points off that, e.g. a hand has 40% equity, you realize 50% oop withot initiative, you can treat it as 20% and call if you still have the odds) and the tighter you should play, and at NL10 you can just let it go and focus on more common spots

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lebowski   Greece. Mar 21 2018 13:16. Posts 9129


  On March 21 2018 05:37 TimDawg wrote:
this is a pretty standard call vs the 3bet pre vs most opponents


@ nl10?
he already said opponent is nitty

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Mar 21 2018 13:19. Posts 4515

They have to be very nitty for you to fold to flop jam, as you can see from equilab. I'm not sure about this at nl10, perhaps they can be. gl moving up . Probably shouldnt 4bet often at all vs someone this nitty but this is a good hand to do it with.

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Baalim   Mexico. Mar 22 2018 00:49. Posts 33136


  On March 21 2018 12:19 Stroggoz wrote:
They have to be very nitty for you to fold to flop jam, as you can see from equilab. I'm not sure about this at nl10, perhaps they can be. gl moving up . Probably shouldnt 4bet often at all vs someone this nitty but this is a good hand to do it with.



If the villian is SO nitty that we have to CF this its awful to 4bet as bluffs basically, you dont exploit nits showing aggresion with more aggresion, you do it by folding.

Now this is asuming that your perception of his range is correct, and that is a BIG assumption

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Fayth    Canada. Mar 22 2018 04:43. Posts 10085

plays better as a 4bet than a call OOP though and even vs tight ranges this would be one of the good bluffs along with AQs and AKo I guess

and well I don't see myself check/folding here ever

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

Baalim   Mexico. Mar 22 2018 06:20. Posts 33136


  On March 22 2018 03:43 Fayth wrote:
plays better as a 4bet than a call OOP though and even vs tight ranges this would be one of the good bluffs along with AQs and AKo I guess

and well I don't see myself check/folding here ever



But if he is such a monumental nit that we are going to CF TP+GS with like a 1.5:1 STPR then we shouldn't be 4betting any hands preflop, especially not bluffs

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Fayth    Canada. Mar 22 2018 14:11. Posts 10085

yea I was just saying it's a good hand to 4bet with pre, the big mistake was made postflop indeed

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

ThunderGod   New Zealand. Mar 24 2018 08:22. Posts 22

Thanks for the feedback. I normally prefer 4bet or fold as it's a lot easier to play post-flop, well it should be but I got it wrong here, even given the read that he is only shoving value. I like the fold to 3bet, given the positions, sizing and opponent's tendencies. I definitely need to adjust my pre-flop ranges more vs nits.
Interesting idea that if I take a pure value 4bet line then perhaps I should just be flatting with these hands and have a 0% 4bet strat. I think it's still more profitable to just 4bet the value hands anyway, I'm not going to get exploited playing this unbalanced at nl10z

The other question was do people generally cbt or check in this kind of spot?


 

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