first time using run it twice

brutal

Yea, I decided to use it after losing AA vs KK just a few hands before, didn't help as much as i thought

is the hand raked more?

no, dunno if lower stakes, they like to shit on them for some reason

They don't rake more for RIT, they used to do it on FTP pre black friday, not anymore.

yeah its not like FTP, there is no reason not to use it

lol

I've seen a few guys be massively -allinEV lifetime (wobbly -500k, im the same, prob more cuz of live, etc) I suck at math but if you think you are unlucky at all in pots it's better not to use it I guess.

On December 13 2012 18:54 locoo wrote: I've seen a few guys be massively -allinEV lifetime (wobbly -500k, im the same, prob more cuz of live, etc) I suck at math but if you think you are unlucky at all in pots it's better not to use it I guess.

did you mean to say "If you are lucky in allin pots its better not to use it I guess" right? Don't see why would you not use it when you are unlucky in allin pots.

its always better to use it
think about how many times you lost with more than 70% odds, you would still have at least 30% of this money

from wobblys hand:

On December 13 2012 18:26 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2012 15:28 locoo wrote:   On December 13 2012 13:58 Stroggoz wrote: we all have pretty huge egos, at least i know i do. Most people hide it, like me. You are prob right, we can't help it. It's a well undeserved ego for the most part though, and it's best to keep it on reality check often or you end up having bankroll fights for something on the internet. maybe. or maybe some of us look for edges we know we can exploit. it has nothing to do with ego other than it's fun and profitable. im pretty respectful to almost everyone i think is good. u never see me taking shots at locoo or fayth despite not liking them a ton as people.

HU grudge match gogogo

anyone who doesnt use run it twice is a fucking moron

lol u pussys take your variance like a man.

Why would I waste time waiting for a second row of cards to come out on something thats EV zero?

fuck run it twice!!! turn that off, turn off show when all in and go from there

you guys who dont run it twice are either braindead or assholes. or both

On December 13 2012 19:44 Daut wrote: anyone who doesnt use run it twice is a fucking moron

against regs u play against in the same games at the same stakes everyday

id never use it against someone taking a shot in my games or against a fish tho

doesnt run it twice

[ ]makes sense

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On December 13 2012 19:24 uiCk wrote: from wobblys hand: Show nested quote + On December 13 2012 18:26 MARSHALL28 wrote:   On December 13 2012 15:28 locoo wrote:   On December 13 2012 13:58 Stroggoz wrote: we all have pretty huge egos, at least i know i do. Most people hide it, like me. You are prob right, we can't help it. It's a well undeserved ego for the most part though, and it's best to keep it on reality check often or you end up having bankroll fights for something on the internet. maybe. or maybe some of us look for edges we know we can exploit. it has nothing to do with ego other than it's fun and profitable. im pretty respectful to almost everyone i think is good. u never see me taking shots at locoo or fayth despite not liking them a ton as people. HU grudge match gogogo

Hehe even if i dont care what he thinks of me not liking me "a ton" seems kinda harsh as i dont think we have even crossed words ever. I can only guess what i posted at wobbkys hand? Wasnt even directed specifically at him as i dont think he ever did a "for bankrolls" match.

its more than just they might tilt ... if u always run it twice, they will semi bluff u more frequently knowing they r gonna win half the pot a lot of the times allowing them to play more aggressively and pretty much at half the stakes. i want to take advantage of someone who can't afford to lose, not running it twice vs everybody but regs i play w/ everyday at the same stakes is how i'd do that.

On December 13 2012 21:08 Daut wrote: you guys who dont run it twice are either braindead or assholes. or both

Mayb im really braindead but if my ev line is a steady downward lifetime and all run it twice do is double the hands on that line how can that be good for me? I know its stupid to think in luck but i really dont see any upside.

On December 13 2012 21:45 MARSHALL28 wrote: its more than just they might tilt ... if u always run it twice, they will semi bluff u more frequently knowing they r gonna win half the pot a lot of the times allowing them to play more aggressively and pretty much at half the stakes. i want to take advantage of someone who can't afford to lose, not running it twice vs everybody but regs i play w/ everyday at the same stakes is how i'd do that.

This is a pretty fair point. Today i c/raised in a 3bet pot w a draw instead of my usual c/c on a particular board bcuz fk it im at least 35-40% and most likely will win once.

On December 13 2012 21:08 Daut wrote: you guys who dont run it twice are either braindead or assholes. or both

I don't use run it twice because I don't want to lose twice my money

On December 13 2012 21:50 locoo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2012 21:08 Daut wrote: you guys who dont run it twice are either braindead or assholes. or both Mayb im really braindead but if my ev line is a steady downward lifetime and all run it twice do is double the hands on that line how can that be good for me? I know its stupid to think in luck but i really dont see any upside.

U know the answer

i forget you NL players get it in 5x a day 90% each time

The only thing run it twice does it's reducing variance. In a vacuum it's only a good thing. But real bad players play keep playing BECAUSE there's variance in the game.

It's just my thought on the matter.

On December 13 2012 21:57 locoo wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2012 21:45 MARSHALL28 wrote: its more than just they might tilt ... if u always run it twice, they will semi bluff u more frequently knowing they r gonna win half the pot a lot of the times allowing them to play more aggressively and pretty much at half the stakes. i want to take advantage of someone who can't afford to lose, not running it twice vs everybody but regs i play w/ everyday at the same stakes is how i'd do that. This is a pretty fair point. Today i c/raised in a 3bet pot w a draw instead of my usual c/c on a particular board bcuz fk it im at least 35-40% and most likely will win once.

you c/c usually cause you think its the highest EV line. but today you made what you dont think is the highest EV line because you were running it twice. aka someone played worse cause of it. of course if you think you are playing worse cause of it its probably not for you, but if others are then thats countering what you guys are arguing.

and regs are just as likely or more likely to tilt if they lose both when running it twice as losing when running it once.

if you think for some reason nits are now going to be playing much better or people are going to be playing much more scared if you run it once by all means go ahead and run it once. but i dont think thats really going to be the case at all and think lower variance is just way better when we see as many 100 buyin+ under EV graphs as we do

Found this on reddit : http://www.insuredplay.com/

aren't you sacrificing some of your equity by running it twice? IE if you get top pair vs an 8 out draw, after the first run out, doesn't the draw have a higher percentage chance of winning? if you weight those two percentages doesn't the draw aren't you sacrificing your equity? wouldn't that increase equity if in all pots instead of having your actual equity, you had your equity minus 1-3 percent?

i guess the reverse would be true, so it would all balance out

On December 13 2012 22:57 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On December 13 2012 21:57 locoo wrote:   On December 13 2012 21:45 MARSHALL28 wrote: its more than just they might tilt ... if u always run it twice, they will semi bluff u more frequently knowing they r gonna win half the pot a lot of the times allowing them to play more aggressively and pretty much at half the stakes. i want to take advantage of someone who can't afford to lose, not running it twice vs everybody but regs i play w/ everyday at the same stakes is how i'd do that. This is a pretty fair point. Today i c/raised in a 3bet pot w a draw instead of my usual c/c on a particular board bcuz fk it im at least 35-40% and most likely will win once. you c/c usually cause you think its the highest EV line. but today you made what you dont think is the highest EV line because you were running it twice. aka someone played worse cause of it. of course if you think you are playing worse cause of it its probably not for you, but if others are then thats countering what you guys are arguing. and regs are just as likely or more likely to tilt if they lose both when running it twice as losing when running it once. if you think for some reason nits are now going to be playing much better or people are going to be playing much more scared if you run it once by all means go ahead and run it once. but i dont think thats really going to be the case at all and think lower variance is just way better when we see as many 100 buyin+ under EV graphs as we do

The point I was trying to make is that I tried out a play because of less variance/less possibility of me getting stacked in the first hands of the session, and it turned out to be a good play I would otherwise probably not make. Regardless of wether how I play overall is good or bad, I don't see why this wouldn't encourage other players to do the same w the run it twice and play better/more aggresive.