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Handnr: 978465
Submitted by : the cleaner

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** Poker Stars
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, July 14, 08:30:45 ET 2012
Table Mussorgskia II Real Money
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Hero $64.47 USD - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 9, AF: 3.1, Hands: 1057925
Seat 2: Player2 $65.76 USD - VPIP: 48, PFR: 10, 3B: 1, AF: 1.5, Hands: 1186
Seat 3: Player3 $103.72 USD - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 10, AF: 2.6, Hands: 8565
Seat 4: Player4 $102.49 USD - VPIP: 40, PFR: 19, 3B: 0, AF: 3.1, Hands: 102
Seat 5: Player5 $50.00 USD - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 3.5, Hands: 4115
Seat 6: Player6 $50.00 USD - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 1.6, Hands: 451
Player4 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Player5 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [AdKh ]
Player6 folds
Hero raises [$1.50 USD]
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 calls [$1.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $3.25)

   4h4s2d
Player5 bets [$2.04 USD]
Hero raises [$6.25 USD]
Player5 calls [$4.21 USD]

Turn (Pot : $15.75)

   4h4s2d5d
Player5 checks
Hero bets [$9.75 USD]
Player5 calls [$9.75 USD]

River (Pot : $35.25)

   4h4s2d5d5h
Player5 checks
Hero bets [$32.98 USD]
Player5 calls [$32.50 USD]
Hero wins $0.48 USD
Hero shows AdKh
Player5 shows 7h7c
Player5 wins $97.75 USD from main pot

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bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 14 2012 08:39. Posts 8646

i hate this T_T i don't think you ever get him to fold a split and he can have you beat too

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johnmagi   Norway. Jul 14 2012 09:12. Posts 1424

Agree, you raise him on the flopp and he still calls and calls the turn, he obv going to showdown imo


the cleaner   Germany. Jul 14 2012 10:01. Posts 3014

i just don't think he will show a profit taking this line when his hand is faceup. i have seen him 3bet QQ in the past vs my utg open before and i'm sure he would have reraised me with QQ preflop this session. i think he will get crushed longterm taking this line vs my range, and i don't think we can just fold AK to every donk lead with 77.

there are no facts only interpretationsLast edit: 14/07/2012 10:02

bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Jul 14 2012 10:36. Posts 8646

i think raising or calling flop are fine, but i still dislike turn bet a little and i think river is burning money.

he may get crushed longterm doing this vs your range, but when is the last time you think someone folded 66+ in villain's shoes there? maybe on turn/flop, but on that ultra-brick river i don't think it's happening. it's basically like saying you're willing to pay 65bb's to balance your range on the river in this spot vs this player. imo he would get crushed more if you don't bluff in a never-folding spot

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patti   United States. Jul 14 2012 10:44. Posts 550

Just because u know villains hand does not mean he will fold. Lots of time when ppl lead they feel as though they will induce bluff raises and aggression and call down


eestwood   United Kingdom. Jul 14 2012 11:23. Posts 698

i dont think its a bad play- given we are utg repping strong range, villain cant have qq+ we have clean image and villain is thinking player

but calling is ok too, no?

can we all ball 

eestwood   United Kingdom. Jul 14 2012 11:31. Posts 698

i mean calling flop and raising turn might look even more scary/ credible

can we all ball 

the cleaner   Germany. Jul 14 2012 12:03. Posts 3014


  On July 14 2012 10:31 eestwood wrote:
i mean calling flop and raising turn might look even more scary/ credible



Yea I was thinking about that too, but against a 19/16 dude i would play JJ+ the same, since he isn't representing anything on this board, unless he like flat AA or something preflop.

Actually thinking about this a little more. flatting flop and raising/betting turn and river is better, since we kind of make it look that we want to keep midpairs in the hand. It will also save us some money on the bluff.

there are no facts only interpretationsLast edit: 14/07/2012 12:06

TalentedTom    Canada. Jul 14 2012 13:47. Posts 20070


  On July 14 2012 11:03 the cleaner wrote:
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Yea I was thinking about that too, but against a 19/16 dude i would play JJ+ the same, since he isn't representing anything on this board, unless he like flat AA or something preflop.

Actually thinking about this a little more. flatting flop and raising/betting turn and river is better, since we kind of make it look that we want to keep midpairs in the hand. It will also save us some money on the bluff.




what a lot of people fail to realize on boards like this is that JJ+ is a meaningless value range which represents about 1.5% of hands, thats like saying how can he shove 99 preflop, my stackoff range is TT+, if your pulling shit like some % of the time this his play is a slam dunk +EV snap call

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the cleaner   Germany. Jul 14 2012 15:26. Posts 3014

ok, so i assigned myself following range, which represents about 4.4% of hands, or about 25% of the hands I would open from EP.

FLOP

Board: 4h 4s 2d
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.056% 66.06% 00.00% 192264 0.00 { JJ+, 44, 22, AKs, AdQd, AhJh, A4s, JhTh, AKo }
Hand 1: 33.944% 33.94% 00.00% 98796 0.00 { 77 }

TURN

Board: 4h 4s 2d 5d
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.440% 67.44% 00.00% 8724 0.00 { JJ+, 44, 22, AKs, AdQd, AhJh, A4s, JhTh, AKo }
Hand 1: 32.560% 32.56% 00.00% 4212 0.00 { 77 }

RIVER

Board: 4h 4s 2d 5d 5h
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.759% 53.46% 00.30% 324071013 1792869.00 { JJ+, 44, 22, AKs, AdQd, AhJh, A4s, JhTh, AKo }
Hand 1: 46.241% 45.95% 00.30% 278498865 1792869.00 { 77 }




there are no facts only interpretationsLast edit: 14/07/2012 15:29

the cleaner   Germany. Jul 14 2012 15:34. Posts 3014

a lot of those hands i would flat instead of minraising his flop lead, so i guess is it's much better to call the flop and put pressure on him on later streets ? i can represent a much wider range like that.

which would be the best line to take with my hand in the following scenario

he leads flop, i call and he checks turn (bet turn and river?)
he leads flop, and bets turn ?

there are no facts only interpretations 

eestwood   United Kingdom. Jul 14 2012 18:41. Posts 698



 

what a lot of people fail to realize on boards like this is that JJ+ is a meaningless value range which represents about 1.5% of hands, thats like saying how can he shove 99 preflop, my stackoff range is TT+, if your pulling shit like some % of the time this his play is a slam dunk +EV snap call



I think I know what u mean - if hero would do this w KQ, AQ,AK than hes bluffin too much and you can snap call every time. But if he knows what hes doin and only do this w 16 combos AK (and not much wider - maybe some nut BDFD which turned FD on the turn) - than villain cant profitably call you w 77

can we all ball 

Stroggoz   New Zealand. Jul 15 2012 00:31. Posts 5072


  On July 14 2012 14:26 the cleaner wrote:
ok, so i assigned myself following range, which represents about 4.4% of hands, or about 25% of the hands I would open from EP.

FLOP

Board: 4h 4s 2d
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.056% 66.06% 00.00% 192264 0.00 { JJ+, 44, 22, AKs, AdQd, AhJh, A4s, JhTh, AKo }
Hand 1: 33.944% 33.94% 00.00% 98796 0.00 { 77 }

TURN

Board: 4h 4s 2d 5d
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.440% 67.44% 00.00% 8724 0.00 { JJ+, 44, 22, AKs, AdQd, AhJh, A4s, JhTh, AKo }
Hand 1: 32.560% 32.56% 00.00% 4212 0.00 { 77 }

RIVER

Board: 4h 4s 2d 5d 5h
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.759% 53.46% 00.30% 324071013 1792869.00 { JJ+, 44, 22, AKs, AdQd, AhJh, A4s, JhTh, AKo }
Hand 1: 46.241% 45.95% 00.30% 278498865 1792869.00 { 77 }







great, now assign a turn/river range of only value hands and you're gona make a lot of money.

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