who calls and who folds?

if you fold whats ur minimum calling hand.

reads are.
seen him limp call suited conns and limp shove TT-AA AK, also seen him call and 4bet shove preflop with KJs for 100bb, so he is very aware of players squeezing to isolate him. But hes just lost a few pots by limp folding or calling then c/fing and also lost a buyin earlier today might have tipped his range enough for me to make a call here.

Thoughts?

I dont see how can you call

even if its a random spazz its probably a small pair soooo much more than worse Ax imo

EDIT: even more with that read that he has done that with TT-AA AK

i fold because im a poor bastard who sucks at poker, GL to you in future high stakes shots

btw post the hands that got u that pretty big stack

On February 27 2012 22:11 player999 wrote: I dont see how can you call even if its a random spazz its probably a small pair soooo much more than worse Ax imo

i felt it was 50 50 to call or fold there, but at the moment just felt like gambling. Im curious as to what your calling range here is.

also in the low limit NLHE games fish almost always limp raise or limp shove AA KK in ep, but you already know all that

On February 27 2012 22:14 player999 wrote: btw post the hands that got u that pretty big stack

just very silly preflop 3bet 4bet 5bet shenanigens~~ nothing special.

On February 27 2012 22:15 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 22:14 player999 wrote: btw post the hands that got u that pretty big stack just very silly preflop 3bet 4bet 5bet shenanigens~~ nothing special.

blind stealing is special at these stakes

I guess if you figure he is a little fed up, sigh/call AQ JJ+? AJ is a bit too light imo

so sad seeing everybody just sitting out waiting for him to return

Kanu7 ripping into wobbly right now

Kanu7: what can i say guys
Kanu7: you clows
Kanu7: wobbly esp
Kanu7: yr up loads and you sit out first
Kanu7: you fricking coward
wobbly_au: lol
Kanu7: i have no respect for you whatsoever

damn!

wobbly_au: smart coward?
Kanu7: no
wobbly_au: ur respect means jack ****
Kanu7: game now broken
wobbly_au: mate
Kanu7: yr life means jack ****
wobbly_au: game breaking has nthig to do with sitting out
Kanu7: you worthless scum
wobbly_au: lol idiot
wobbly_au: actually
wobbly_au: im worth more than u
wobbly_au: ^_^

Kanu is definately one of the few I dont usually play against. I give him action up to 25/50, but 200/400, comon who on stars really has the roll for these games? I understand his frustration being clearly the better player here but i think the rage is misguided. Especially since the fish by this point knows too well that the game starts around him.

Also I knew if i didnt sit out it would be Me vs Kanu next hand HU and Im not up for that on 200/400.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.559% 31.90% 06.66% 498203208 103947174.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 61.441% 54.78% 06.66% 855523692 103947174.00 { TT+, AJs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo }


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.502% 41.56% 06.95% 623322828 104190672.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 51.498% 44.55% 06.95% 668274132 104190672.00 { TT+, AJs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo }

On February 27 2012 22:25 player999 wrote: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 38.559% 31.90% 06.66% 498203208 103947174.00 { AJo } Hand 1: 61.441% 54.78% 06.66% 855523692 103947174.00 { TT+, AJs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo } equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 48.502% 41.56% 06.95% 623322828 104190672.00 { AQo } Hand 1: 51.498% 44.55% 06.95% 668274132 104190672.00 { TT+, AJs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo }

I think we need to include more (30% of total?) small pairs in that range and maybe 30% less dominated hands.

probably yeah, that was my initial thought, I just put that because of your reads post

with just how many bb's invested i am folding. minimum calling hand would be really tight like TT+ and AK. if someone was playing like that at these stakes, for sure with your skill, there'd be a lot of good spots vs him. so why call here?

I guess we can conclude AQ is a snapcall and AJ is a gray area

On February 27 2012 22:28 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: with just how many bb's invested i am folding. minimum calling hand would be really tight like TT+ and AK. if someone was playing like that at these stakes, for sure with your skill, there'd be a lot of good spots vs him. so why call here?

wobbly is taking any marginal EV spot

On February 27 2012 22:29 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 22:28 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: with just how many bb's invested i am folding. minimum calling hand would be really tight like TT+ and AK. if someone was playing like that at these stakes, for sure with your skill, there'd be a lot of good spots vs him. so why call here? wobbly is taking any marginal EV spot

I dont post as often as I use to, but i still read almost every strat post. And yours have been very spot on usually.

Listen to this man guys.

I'll race you for next green star imo!

On February 27 2012 22:29 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 22:28 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: with just how many bb's invested i am folding. minimum calling hand would be really tight like TT+ and AK. if someone was playing like that at these stakes, for sure with your skill, there'd be a lot of good spots vs him. so why call here? wobbly is taking any marginal EV spot

then that'd be risking a little too much since these games won't run that often. and if the fish insta leaves the game breaks. not worth it.

I bet he insta sit outs if Isildur sits down at his tables

On February 27 2012 22:37 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 22:29 player999 wrote:   On February 27 2012 22:28 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: with just how many bb's invested i am folding. minimum calling hand would be really tight like TT+ and AK. if someone was playing like that at these stakes, for sure with your skill, there'd be a lot of good spots vs him. so why call here? wobbly is taking any marginal EV spot then that'd be risking a little too much since these games won't run that often. and if the fish insta leaves the game breaks. not worth it.

that is up to him to decide if its worth it or not

oh the guy just had 50bb's. yeah call cos fuck him.

On February 27 2012 22:32 player999 wrote: I'll race you for next green star imo!

they willl never give me one

I think its like an inside joke for the mods at this stage.

On February 27 2012 22:04 wobbly_au wrote: who calls and who folds? if you fold whats ur minimum calling hand.

a better question to ask would be "what would phil ivey do?"

On February 27 2012 23:03 BILAT_POWER!!! wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 22:04 wobbly_au wrote: who calls and who folds? if you fold whats ur minimum calling hand. a better question to ask would be "what would phil ivey do?"

sue pokerstars

I'd prob call like 88+ and AQ+

I like wobbly. He's rich.

honesty. that's a good start. thank you whamm.

im calling 77+ AJs AQo i think. AJo is the close fold but if you have a reason to believe he can be lighter than usual i think calling can be ok

On February 28 2012 01:20 Daut wrote: im calling 77+ AJs AQo i think. AJo is the close fold but if you have a reason to believe he can be lighter than usual i think calling can be ok

yea after some thought about the whole dynamic of the situation i think AJ call off was fine. And I agree with this calling range imo

if he was an intensedawg this call would be great

remember slightly +EV situations at these stakes probably result in bankroll shrinkage unless you have abramovich mirrrrrrrrrions

On February 28 2012 03:00 Stroggoz wrote: if he was an intensedawg this call would be great

this is actually his cousin from taiwan

On February 27 2012 22:46 wobbly_au wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 22:32 player999 wrote: I'll race you for next green star imo! they willl never give me one I think its like an inside joke for the mods at this stage.

if you want one then i think all you have to do is give more detailed advice on forums, if they don't give you one after that then fuck it.

On February 27 2012 22:15 chris wrote: also in the low limit NLHE games fish almost always limp raise or limp shove AA KK in ep, but you already know all that

This^, I think LiangYu is aware of being squeezed all the time when he limps and also aware of his 50bbs stack and already knows what hes gonna do. AJo is a close fold, unless wobbly has the right read of the situation then this is an ok call, but obvs wrong read.

Not read comments, I'm generally tight in these spots, but given your reads 88 + when I'm feeling baller. Don't like AJ here unless he's a little more spastic than you describe, maybe Aqo+??

But don't listen too much to my advice, let's listen to longple or ket =p

On February 28 2012 03:13 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2012 22:46 wobbly_au wrote:   On February 27 2012 22:32 player999 wrote: I'll race you for next green star imo! they willl never give me one I think its like an inside joke for the mods at this stage. if you want one then i think all you have to do is give more detailed advice on forums, if they don't give you one after that then fuck it.

lol at caring about getting a greenstar if you're making millions.

fortyfirst!

Seems a bit too marginal with AJo, I like fayths 88,AQ for this spot.

why would you call with AQ or AK here? isn't it obvious that he had a pair? you are going to be the underdog...

I just can't believe someone would shove like that without a pair in high stakes... he would stay forever on micro stakes lol

he is in microstakes, macao microstakes..

On February 28 2012 08:12 ilbh wrote: why would you call with AQ or AK here? isn't it obvious that he had a pair? you are going to be the underdog... I just can't believe someone would shove like that without a pair in high stakes... he would stay forever on micro stakes lol

solid contribution imo

rofl

i call w/ AJ if i think hes gambling.

I fold w/ AJ if I think he has a tighter range in this scenario

I mean, vs him, fish ship nuts and im quite sure you have a good read on liangyu by now, you got him itlr

gl

On February 28 2012 08:12 ilbh wrote: why would you call with AQ or AK here? isn't it obvious that he had a pair? you are going to be the underdog... I just can't believe someone would shove like that without a pair in high stakes... he would stay forever on micro stakes lol

lol