Seen him 3bet AJ stack off on AXX seen him 3bet KT

Is this pretty standard? Or does someone find a fold?

this is about as standard as it gets. ul man

I figured as much, but i mean my gut was screaming fold~~ o wellz

pretty lame but I would have probably had to think about a lot of Liangyu 3 bet style, tendencies. Really hard spot to be up against worse range, what are his Stats/pf calling range? this is a marginal spot with such high variance and low BIs, might pitch turns/rivers, unless he is a maniac 3 barreller?

I have seen him 3 bet sb v UTG, 3 barrel off on QxxQx board and Lose to KQ, so i guess that should make your call a small part easier.

21 combos beat you
6 combos are ties
maybe 2 combos you beat
then all the rest are bluffs, how often is he 3 barrel off 99-JJ, AJ, A10, AK, etc?

basically, it looks just about as breakeven as it gets, sucks it's a $23k breakeven call, barring no very specific reads

On October 24 2011 02:26 Highcard wrote: basically, it looks just about as breakeven as it gets, sucks it's a $23k breakeven call, barring no very specific reads

well once he makes the decision to call preflop, there's no folding in this hand

AndrewSong - its wrong assumption, esp vs fishy players.

not really... how do you justify calling this pre and then folding on a perfect board.

On October 24 2011 03:37 hredunos wrote: AndrewSong - its right assumption, esp vs fishy players.

FYP

ive been watching him.

he does 3bet Q7o oop and barrel strong on flop and shutdown on AJ98Q

he hasnt barreled too often oop in 3bet pots tonite or last nite

he doesn't 3barrel often at all in 3b pots

not a popular spot to 3barrel bluff, but you'd need many thousands of hands on them to fold this imo.

Im not sure how relevant those reads are to this specific turn and river spot. I mean sure we can assume he can have some worse hands for value, but we cant really know for sure and we certainly dont know if he would play his pure air like this.

Neilly you should jump in the game

the fact that the 8 pairs up on the turn and you calling can make for a river fold imo

would love to see this thread if he'd fold the riv

On October 24 2011 04:49 Stroggoz wrote: not a popular spot to 3barrel bluff, but you'd need many thousands of hands on them to fold this imo.

you definitely do not need many thousands of hands? 3bet stats are barely going to play a factor here, you need to know his exact 3 barrel tendencies/freq/ranges and that will only come from reviewing all the HHs

Like I said this unbelievably dry of a board, in a spot that is literally 100% breakeven unless you know he won't shove worse Q, might be a fold only because you can use that $23k better against the fish in other hands. Better to fold and save $23k if it means you won't be able to play much more $40k poker for a long time against this fish who shove 140BB with 33 as a 4bet backraise with 4 people in pot. It's like christmas now 3bet calling off 88 against him and doing ridiculous well against his range.