How do you adjust to this besides folding when he minraises without a good draw or the nuts?

Would you just check in this spot with ATo next time?
What frequency and range of hands will you tend to isolate a fish like this that probably limp calls all strong hand?

You adjust by valuetowning him. You can't fold here btw, you are just taking it to showdown.

So what range would you isolate this player with?
If you have like A8 otb and he limps UTG would you still raise him? I guess you can't really value town him with that hand when he has all aces that dominate you in his range. Would you consider limping behind in position /checking in the BB with hands that are ok to play against a fish but don't make big hands and are often crushed when we hit?

His stats are some 42/0 after 25 hands

against utg limpers id rather iso with suited connectors, mid pps, and offsuit broadways. these guys have a lot of pps, ax and obv aa for the LRR, but i find they are easier of a range to deal with using that iso range. having ax yourself kinda makes the hand very confusing to play but prob a10 is ok

All broadways all high pairs are in his range though from all positions, are we happy bloating the pot with stuff like JTo?

On May 09 2011 05:09 LemOn[5thF] wrote: All broadways all high pairs are in his range though, are we happy with stuff like JTo?

against fish and rando yeah j10o id include that. id also iso bigger than just 3xing the limp, u lost the minimum but like i said you have no idea whether to build a pot or not even when you have position since ur iso size really didnt mean anything.

I'm appalled at what's going on here. Gentlemen, with all due respect, if you do not raise A8 OTB against a fucking 42/0 fish who likely loves to call call call, you are simply doing it wrong. You may have a reason to fold A8 OTB however, if you think villain's limping range is specifically (much) tighter than his other positional VPIP. But if the guy plays 42/0, he probably just clicks buttons and doesn't really have a specific positional VPIP.

So please, just raise any two big cards that can make a two big pair, so that you may value town the villain.

On May 09 2011 05:19 Arirang wrote: I'm appalled at what's going on here. Gentlemen, with all due respect, if you do not raise A8 OTB against a fucking 42/0 fish who likely loves to call call call, you are simply doing it wrong. You may have a reason to fold A8 OTB however, if you think villain's limping range is specifically (much) tighter than his other positional VPIP. But if the guy plays 42/0, he probably just clicks buttons and doesn't really have a specific positional VPIP. So please, just raise any two big cards that can make a two big pair, so that you may value town the villain.

I never said fold, I meant limp behind unless you have a reg that will bomb it preflop a ton of the time

Also, playing suited connectors against a fish like this is likely a leak if anything. Think simple, come on. Against a villain who plays too many hands and likes to see showdown, do you think playing suited connectors that makes marginal pairs is going to be very profitable? Suited connectors are often make a good semi-bluffing hands. But against a villain who can't find the fold button, it's just not going to be very effective.

Isolate bigger please, especially when OOP.

On May 09 2011 05:23 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2011 05:19 Arirang wrote: I'm appalled at what's going on here. Gentlemen, with all due respect, if you do not raise A8 OTB against a fucking 42/0 fish who likely loves to call call call, you are simply doing it wrong. You may have a reason to fold A8 OTB however, if you think villain's limping range is specifically (much) tighter than his other positional VPIP. But if the guy plays 42/0, he probably just clicks buttons and doesn't really have a specific positional VPIP. So please, just raise any two big cards that can make a two big pair, so that you may value town the villain. I never said fold, I meant limp behind unless you have a reg that will bomb it preflop a ton of the time

Just..don't limp. You can surely check behind hands in BB that you cannot play profitably against this villain, such as that of pretty hands like gappers and SC. But certainly not A8 or AT that can make big pairs so you can value rape villain.

You just never limp ? :O

And you mean bloat the pot bigger oop, we are already isolated, it is to 4bb

But I agree with your analysis, even though he has 100% broadways in his range, 40% still should include all AXs, and probably moso AXo

22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T7s+, 96s+, 85s+, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, 43s, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o

Sounds about right? Fish like different hands of course, maybe he has more suited junk and less offsuit stuff.


I disagree on folding suited connectors on the button very much though if you don't want to raise them, the right play will be to limp them I am 100% sure.

No, I never limp. Neither should you unless you somehow find limping to be profitable. I have a suspicion that if you were to filter to only look at the hands you've limped preflop, you would find that you did not make any money from it. You made it to 3bb in this hand, not 4bb. And yes, while you are already isolated with the fish, you still want to make it bigger. And I feel stupid to explain why.

Stop assigning preflop hand ranges to a fish who plays 42VPIP. He just plays whatever he feels like. Just hit a TPGK and rape him pleaaaaase. You are overthinking it. Your eyes should turn into like money signs ($$) as soon as you get dealt hands like K9 and up in position to the fish.

I mean you have a decent drawing hand, you have the best position, you play against a drooler, you play at micros where people don't exploit you. Imo it is hard not to limp behind suited connectors profitably.

There is a section on this in Poker Blueprint, it's something I was doing and I think I agree with this unless the blinds just habitually raises to 7bb or something (some people do that):


Submitted by : LemOn[5thF]

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A loose passive player UTG open limps . You've seen him limp-call from UTG with hands as strong as ] or ]

You should call here almost always . Raising is not optimal because we know UTG likes ti limp-call a strong range. Some people would auto raise to isolate in this spot without giving any thought to the UTG's limping range. He has a strong hand so call and try to make two pairs or better to stack him.

If you isolate the limper, there is also a possibility that the BTN and the blinds 3 bet you and you will be facing a fold . If you call and players behind you isolate, you can call and hope to flop a big hand after the fish calls

On May 09 2011 05:38 Arirang wrote: You made it to 3bb in this hand, not 4bb. A

I will sound stupid most likely, but what does this actually mean I am always so confused when playing live

He limped 0.25, my bb is 0.25 I raised additional 0.75 so the total amount of my money in the pot is $1/4bb
Doesn't that mean I raised it to 4bb even though I had 1bb in the pot and I raised just 3bb extra?

The term 'raise to' suggests logically it's the total amount raised to, which is 4bb here, but in poker terminology does the term 'Raise to' mean the extra amount I raise on the top of what I have in the pot OR what villain has to call?

Like on the flop, villain bets $10, I say I raise to $40, is the amount of money that I am putting in the pot $40 or $50?

in the hand you raised 3 BB or you raised TO 4 BB.
You example if you raise to 40 the total amount you put in is 40$. If you say I raise 40, you put in his 10, and you raise on top, so that makes 50 total.

Isolation pre is pretty standard, however you should make it slightly bigger (to punish him, and for value of course).

Flop play is pretty standard, I don't think you should have played this much differently. Question is wheter to bet or check the river (I think check is fine).

Talking about his range and frequencies (???) is kind of hard against a player who obviously has no clue what he is doing (like this guy). Just play it straightforward and don't overthink it.

Oh nevermind, you are talking about your own isolation range in this spot.

I think all pairs 66+ are worth raising, as well as all high cards (QJ+)

If he is the kind of fish with high VPIP preflop and with a high fold frequency on the flop then of course you can add more hands to your isolation range. But high cards with good kickers and pairs (not 22-55) is a good start imo.

I dunno why you always get so deep into this kinda of spot and overthink about it.

Isolate just as much as you would before this hand happens.

Post flop keep playing the same except give his flop minraise more credit.

On May 09 2011 10:02 sunnysky7 wrote: I dunno why you always get so deep into this kinda of spot and overthink about it.

Agreed, this spot doesnt merit half of this discussion... well played.