15/11 8% raise CB(out of 25)

He has 44 alot here, TT (but unlikely since I have a T). Im really not sure if he does this with AK, I doubt it. Also have no idea if KJd/KQd/QJd is in his range.

how can it not be a shove...?

edit - posted comment before i saw the info...still can't really fathom folding this, but lolfullring :S

eh im probably just being result oriented lol, but these nl100 24 tabling regs are prettyy damn nitty.

ship ship, this ain't full ring brah

call call, call river this is street poker

oh wait yes it is, 6 + 1
@_@

if this is somehow a fold then fuck full ring seriously

why are you raising AT utg if you want to fold on this board?

why are you playing FR if you don't think you can get value from worse hands with top two on this board?

Honestly, if you get check/raised here and want to fold your hand (and you're not an idiot) what is the point in playing this game?

On January 06 2011 23:55 Feiticeira wrote: why are you raising AT utg if you want to fold on this board? why are you playing FR if you don't think you can get value from worse hands with top two on this board? Honestly, if you get check/raised here and want to fold your hand (and you're not an idiot) what is the point in playing this game?

Because i do well playing FR, and I usually raise hands like AT/KQ utg because the table is usually full of nits. I shoved here, im just alittle tilted and wanted to hear what FR players thought about this. I expected these responses from everyone, because 90% of this site plays 6max. But w/e I know it's a shove =/

no, it is a call, u want to keep his bluffs in

the average regular has TT here like 99% of the time. the other 1% of the time he'll have 44.

i think this is gonna be a flop fold btw. 6 max this is ez ship cuz regs randomly spew, but at fr you're gonna lose money a lot of the time whenever you ship here except against the most special of regulars who would play AK like this.

On January 07 2011 00:29 vlseph wrote: i think this is gonna be a flop fold btw. 6 max this is ez ship cuz regs randomly spew, but at fr you're gonna lose money a lot of the time whenever you ship here except against the most special of regulars who would play AK like this.

this is what I'm talking about, what is the point in playing FR if you want to fold top two pair to a check raise on AT4 two tone? You're either doing it wrong or the game isn't worth playing in.

what i remember of fr this can absolutely be a fold, and there is some good money in fr it's just a huge pain in the ass to get it.

lol wat. i woulda flat flop to trap and jam over on turn.

still very foldable against most nits obv. You probably know better than all of us if fold is correct.

although you're spewing if you called flop to fold to further action if you don't improve.

if it's a fold anywhere it's on the flop

thats not always true
many of these nits will do silly shit with weaker hands and give up on the turn, a c/r here and betting the turn big is really telling of a huge hand and there just aren't any huge hands in villains range besides 44 and TT

infact i think this is an extremely disciplined fold if villain is your typical fr ultranit (which im assuming he is), doing shit because you're "supposed to" is a really good way to crush your winrate.

or you fold to a terribly played AK and end up killing your winrate more.

very difficult to fold to things villain never has

this hand is exactly why i could never play nit ring

If you need to fold here you can own this guy in other ways

that guy isn't even a regular (the BB), ship it all day vs him