lol sick..

i can't believe yadadameen21 stacks off here w/ AQ vs u....

i folded lol

itlr i think this is a gud fold

no way i stick it in.

stacking off here is never ever wrong because they dont have odds to call preflop.

On November 13 2008 03:34 CrownRoyal wrote: stacking off here is never ever wrong because they dont have odds to call preflop.

wat

there lines are sets most of the time here, there are no combo draws, KK is rarely good 3 way with all this action, especially at nl100 and higher

wtf r u on about, this is all in mc all in

you gotta have 1:12 to call a preflop raise with the intention of check/folding any time you dont hit a set and they have to stack off 100% of the time when you hit a set to make a call with them preflop.

these guys clearly dont have those type of odds, we got our money in ahead preflop so how can it ever be wrong to stack off postflop?

I hate when I do this and I look at how I missed out on like 2 buyins profit in the hand

crownroyal i mean omg trolling.

What about times the ace comes then.

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $90.00

RYDER2HARD: bets $10
Hero : raises $40 to $50


wtf ??

yea this is probly a good fold, since yada never has anything less than QQ here lol

On November 13 2008 03:56 Soprano wrote: Flop(Odds) (Pot : $90.00 RYDER2HARD: bets $10 Hero : raises $40 to $50 wtf ??

middle man is a fish, i think thats why its small to sucker him in.

wtfever im right and you guys are wrong stacking off here is never wrong based off of preflop actions. If i wasn't lazy i'd prove it to you with maths but somewhere on LP this has already been discussed.

how can u fold here... huge -ev to fold

agreed with the nl10er

(crown)

lol

On November 13 2008 04:01 CrownRoyal wrote: wtfever im right and you guys are wrong stacking off here is never wrong based off of preflop actions. If i wasn't lazy i'd prove it to you with maths but somewhere on LP this has already been discussed.

How can you say stacking of here is never wrong are you retarded? Just because villian makes a misstake on one street doesnt entitle us to do one on the next. If villian shows us top set and shoves here do you call because he didnt have odds to call for a set preflop? lol....

i would have called if donk didnt stick it in....

i. r. luckbox.

its a call if its a 2 way pot, on a monotone board like this, do u really expect each of them to have just a queen?

if they don't have just a queen, what do u beat? nothing?

k
thx

crown your analysis is way off,

goin to bed,

Gl
Ryan

ugh i fail so hard at explaining things clearly in text especially when i am not in the mood to do math for two players and everything else.

the only way im ever folding here is if the board is A high.

neilly you are the biggest spewtard preflop i have ever seen and i doubt you have any idea mathematically how incorrectly you play poker preflop. you can't just call a raise with any two suited cards ugh

folding on a non super dangerous board (ala A high or QJT) with KK here after getting their implied odds massively skewed in your favor preflop is way -ev

I'd often call here opponent depending (and generally at higher stakes) but crownroyal is still wrong because that mathematics he's using is...

...they haven't got odds to flop a set therefore its never wrong to get it in here.

Well firstly lets take the idea that even though if they both always had pocket pairs then its +ev to get it in.

Well that doesn't mean that if they're only putting it in with sets on the flop its not more +ev to fold (ie yes it can't be unprofitable to get it in on the flop cos of the maths) but if they're only doing this action with sets throw ur hand away cos then you make more moneys. (ie not trying to do something thats +ev but trying to do the most +ev thing is worth thinking about)

But there are other boards like JT9 Axx etc where you end up losing the pot either with the 2nd best hand or with the best hand just its not a SET

"wtfever I'm right" and you wonder why I think you're the biggest troll ever.

Yes I mean you're getting sick pot odds coming back to you what is 126 to win 336 or something so you kinda should call unless you know one of them has a set here every time (which isn't possible to know) I know I certainly would call unless I had a sick read but that doesn't mean "wtfever I'm right"

actually I see kinda where my analysis is wrong in that in this particular example the board isn't A high so just ignore the middle of my post I got a bit carried away, but to say it's never wrong is wrong because even though its "+$ev" its not more "+$ev" than folding if you're pretty positive its a set.

As I said with this action I'd be calling without a good reason to fold but to say its never ever wrong is just so wrong;.

crown your very wrong, i could be defensive and flame you for weeks, but it wouldn't prove anything, your still going to be an idiot going nowhere.

gl learning the pokerz

ryan

neilly the only argument you can even formulate here is that it's more +EV to fold, it can't ever be wrong to get it in here and i CAN prove that with math.

however i'm pretty sure just from seeing these guy's holecards that folding here is terrible.

crownroyal I'm not sure how Neilly plays tbh I don't really watch him but most good players were a spewtard at one point or another how else do you learn what works and doesn't work without trying it =p

seriously is neilly trying to tell me that i play poker wrong? lol

im up 20 buyins on you at least lifetime at heads up bra

result oriented much?

vs regs at nl200 you're usually drawing to 2 outs here.

gnite.

i play just as lag as neilly does but he calls 3bets oop without any type of implied odds with any two suited cards, i've played him heads up more than anyone else on this site has and i think i know what his leaks are.

On November 13 2008 04:27 CrownRoyal wrote: neilly the only argument you can even formulate here is that it's more +EV to fold, it can't ever be wrong to get it in here and i CAN prove that with math. however i'm pretty sure just from seeing these guy's holecards that folding here is terrible.

Exactly crownroyal good maturity and I guess that /ends thread right?

sorry for being insulting earlier on in the thread just you have made so many sick troll posts that I get aggressive automatically and like to argue.

I agree the majority of the time this is a call and sometimes its a fold because of the first line of your post I quoted up there.

crown, i don't remember ever playing you hu, one time, let alone for 20 bi.

link me to 1 hand of me playing you hu, and i will believe we played

link me to you winning 2 bi off me and i will believe you won 20 bi off me


the fact of the matter is your a mediocre player with a very result oriented mind, who makes a judgement after seeing hole cards and backs it up for hours for no reason.

its not a bad fold at all, and i fold KK here a ton.

now if its at nl50 where you call home, i snap with KK, but not at nl200 where the level of play is much higher and % of players setmining is much higher.

ok, for real this time,

gnite.

ryan

You weren't being insulting, it's critical criticism and i wasn't aware i was a troll ever.

I'm super serial most of the times.

maybe you can remember me having $1300 of your money on one table or something like that from this thread

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/339688/EPIC_HU_FOR_ROLLZ!.html

And yes, from seeing these guys holecards folding isn't good vs these particular opponents. obv ryderhard or w/e if a fish (8Ts call and call) therefore his range has to be almost completely ignored and therefore with odds you have to call vs the other guy.

However Neilly does have a point in that against 2 tight regs ur normally against a settle here =p However whether that makes this a fold is a completely different matter and one that I@m not even gonna get into here.

direct quote from the match, you calling me a nl1k player

"btw neilly

<3 you for saying you thought i was a nl1000 player"

"I ended the session up $530, owed a friend $200, so finished up $330"

oh, your tehskies, i didn't realize that, yes we've played, and yes the majority of our games was when i was learning hu, but u did beat me fair and square, my hats off to you, good job.

thats 10.7bi though, not 20, oh well, who cares, you've beaten me and you played very well during that session, although most of the hands aren't really epic or anything, just standard hands of heads up

GL,
Ryan

you do realize i have played you way more times than that one session and i didnt necessarily win all of them.

drugs fucked up your mind dude.

anyways i am done with this thread for a while and im gonna watch the new southpark and go to bed.

on Nov 19 2007 i was a hu player for almost a solid month by the way (my ultra defensive post)

you're judging my play based on how i played then, when i had a very vague understanding of how to play heads up.

if you want a recent recollection of how i play head up, ask born2dogbaby, ask frinkx, ask robinson47, ask jlost88, its nothing compared to how it used to be obviously.

w/e though, its all a game

u pwnd me 345 days ago~

Ahh the good ol' days. I remember those donks. I used to be one of them.

Oh nitring 200nl in 2008 I'd call here but yada and the other shortie would have a set and I'd never get an overset situation. So fuckn rigged lol