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Handnr: 1077099
Submitted by : Stroggoz

PokerStars Hand #168882468130: Holdem No Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2017/04/11 7:27:21 ET
Table Idaios 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 3: OhHeyCindy ($5064.50 in chips)
Seat 4: LLinusLLove ($4082.50 in chips)
Seat 6: OtB_RedBaron ($2025 in chips)
OhHeyCindy: posts small blind $25
LLinusLLove: posts big blind $50

Holecards(Odds)
OtB_RedBaron: folds
OhHeyCindy: raises $83.50 to $133.50
LLinusLLove: calls $83.50

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $267.00)

   8s6cTc
OhHeyCindy: checks
LLinusLLove: bets $140.45
OhHeyCindy: calls $140.45

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $547.90)

   8s6cTcQd
OhHeyCindy: checks
LLinusLLove: bets $371.21
OhHeyCindy: raises $863.17 to $1234.38
LLinusLLove: raises $2574.17 to $3808.55 and is all-in
OhHeyCindy: calls $2574.17
*** FIRST RIVER *** 8s6cTcQd 6h
*** SECOND RIVER *** 8s6cTcQd 8h
*** FIRST SHOW DOWN ***
OhHeyCindy: shows 5c4c (a pair of Sixes)
LLinusLLove: shows 6s8d (a full house, Sixes full of Eights)
LLinusLLove collected $4081.50 from pot
*** SECOND SHOW DOWN ***
OhHeyCindy: shows 5c4c (a pair of Eights)
LLinusLLove: shows 6s8d (a full house, Eights full of Sixes)
LLinusLLove collected $4081.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $8165 | Rake $2
Hand was run twice
Board  8s6cTcQd6h
Board  8s6cTcQd8h
Seat 3: OhHeyCindy (small blind) showed 5c4c and lost with a pair of Sixes, and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 4: LLinusLLove (big blind) showed 6s8d and won ($4081.50) with a full house, Sixes full of Eights, and won ($4081.50) with a full house, Eights full of Sixes
Seat 6: OtB_RedBaron (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)



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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Sep 18 2017 07:30. Posts 5289

seems like a bad river call lol

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One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 18/09/2017 07:31

Baalim   Mexico. Sep 18 2017 10:48. Posts 34246

river?

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hiems   United States. Sep 18 2017 13:03. Posts 2979

who's ohheycindy anyway??

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Sep 18 2017 13:28. Posts 5289

ah turn call, he needs like 31% equity. I was tired when i posted this hand. actually on further analysis the call could be profitable, he has like 41% vs hands like AJ.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 18/09/2017 16:34

traxamillion   United States. Sep 19 2017 05:25. Posts 10468

for sure always calling that turn jam


traxamillion   United States. Sep 19 2017 05:26. Posts 10468

close but these guys do things right on the edge


casinocasino   Canada. Sep 20 2017 07:09. Posts 3343

Check raising this turn without a 9 or a 7 in your hand is pretty bad. Also having a 5 and a 4 is horrible for your blocking range to 85s 65s 64s all those are hands that your opponent could have and fold


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Sep 20 2017 07:41. Posts 5289

those blockers are almost meaningless here, its fine.

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zetzet   . Sep 20 2017 13:46. Posts 37

There is no way you can construct reasonable range for Llinus where Cindy has more than 31% equity, putting all AJo in his range is just wishful thinking.


casinocasino   Canada. Sep 20 2017 17:04. Posts 3343

Meaningless blockers? Iol. Whats a meaningful blocker to have? He literally has the worst combination in the deck to make this move. Club in his hand and a 4 and a 5 are right above a 2 3 4 which you can disregard. So blocking a 4 and a 5 and clubs is literally the worst blockers you can have. Additionally having a hand like 67 or 89 significantly increases your équity against your opponents enitre range. But I guess those are meaningless blockers lol


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Sep 20 2017 17:37. Posts 5289

There arn't any meaningful blockers to have, ( one's that make a big difference). if he's c/r bluffing he doesn't have a pair, so he can't have any hands in his range that block any two pairs, or pairs. if you block 7 or 9, fine, you block both value and bluffing hands. I didn't put 67 or 89 in his c/r range anyway because if you're turning pairs into bluffs like that your c/r range is far too loose and imbalanced and esp not 89 when it can easily c/c.

Who care's if he blocks 4 or 5 of clubs, villian's range is very wide, the fact that he has 5 high outweighs any minor improvement in equity from blocking those cards

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 20 2017 22:19. Posts 9634


  On September 20 2017 12:46 zetzet wrote:
There is no way you can construct reasonable range for Llinus where Cindy has more than 31% equity, putting all AJo in his range is just wishful thinking.


+1


Stroggoz   New Zealand. Sep 21 2017 09:08. Posts 5289


  On September 20 2017 12:46 zetzet wrote:
There is no way you can construct reasonable range for Llinus where Cindy has more than 31% equity, putting all AJo in his range is just wishful thinking.



yeah, i was trying to figure out how a 25/50 crusher could play so badly, and Ajo basically is going to 3bet a lot of time under any reasonable assumption. I did some equilab and it's impossible for this call to be profitable even with all AJo and KJo combos. (I gave linuslove every almost every value hand that's 68o and better). You have to come up with some really bs ranges to make it to 31% equity.

One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beingsLast edit: 21/09/2017 09:14

Baalim   Mexico. Sep 21 2017 09:30. Posts 34246


  On September 21 2017 08:08 Stroggoz wrote:
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yeah, i was trying to figure out how a 25/50 crusher could play so badly, and Ajo basically is going to 3bet a lot of time under any reasonable assumption. I did some equilab and it's impossible for this call to be profitable even with all AJo and KJo combos. (I gave linuslove every almost every value hand that's 68o and better). You have to come up with some really bs ranges to make it to 31% equity.


I think its easy to make that kind of mistake even if its actually a very basic pot odds one.


That being said puting his hand in that position with that sizing seems like a much bigger mistake and other sizings should have much better EV with his range

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Stroggoz   New Zealand. Sep 21 2017 09:42. Posts 5289

the funny thing is he only needs 28.7% equity to call the turn barrel that linuslove fires out, even if linuslove decided to check the river 100% of after the turn went bet-call. so at the very most, 28.7% equity is what he needs for a turn check call, but it is really a bit less. He decided to c/r and be put into a decision where he needed 31%.

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