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Handnr: 1061002
Submitted by : TianYuan

PokerStars Zoom Hand #145106892511: Omaha Pot Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2015/12/10 13:35:16 JST [2015/12/09 23:35:16 ET]
Table Humason 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Crillefar ($202.42 in chips)
Seat 2: gepo10 ($994.04 in chips)
Seat 3: TianYuan ($1534.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Amirelmo ($185.83 in chips)
Seat 5: PhilRoyal888 ($500 in chips)
Seat 6: marcianovix ($1224.47 in chips)
gepo10: posts small blind $2.50
TianYuan: posts big blind $5

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to TianYuan 4dQcJcQh
Amirelmo: folds
PhilRoyal888: folds
marcianovix: folds
Crillefar: folds
gepo10: calls $2.50
TianYuan: raises $10 to $15
gepo10: calls $10

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $30.00)

   Th7h8c
gepo10: checks
TianYuan: checks

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $30.00)

   Th7h8cTc
gepo10: bets $15
TianYuan: calls $15

River (Pot : $60.00)

   Th7h8cTc9c
gepo10: checks
TianYuan: bets $34.38
gepo10: calls $34.38

Showdown
TianYuan: shows 4dQcJcQh (a straight flush, Eight to Queen)
gepo10: mucks hand
TianYuan collected $125.96 from pot

Summary
Total pot $128.76 | Rake $2.80
Board  Th7h8cTc9c
Seat 1: Crillefar (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: gepo10 (small blind) mucked 2hJhTs8s
Seat 3: TianYuan (big blind) showed 4dQcJcQh and won ($125.96) with a straight flush, Eight to Queen
Seat 4: Amirelmo folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: PhilRoyal888 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: marcianovix folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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TianYuan    Korea (South). Dec 10 2015 05:38. Posts 6817

Sickest dodge o_o

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Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

traxamillion   United States. Dec 10 2015 05:39. Posts 10468

lol thats actually a good c/c by that guy


traxamillion   United States. Dec 10 2015 05:46. Posts 10468

yea so sick wtf


devon06atX   Canada. Dec 10 2015 10:37. Posts 5458

Maybe I'm just used to thin value, but isn't this a shitty 'call-only' by villain?

10-9 and straight flush wins.

So? Shitty c/c imo, but I'm really not sure. Then again - I'm assuming most people have no clue if it's good.

... Which reminds me... why the f am I playing nl still


traxamillion   United States. Dec 10 2015 11:44. Posts 10468

3 straight flushes (pretty key otherwise yea he would obviously be c/r or bet). If he bets he opens himself up to blocker bluffs since his hand will be a bluffcatcher vs raise (or if he wants to call raises then he heavily valuecuts himself vs straightflushes when hero doesnt have much of a raising range other than that and isn't bluffing SF blockers since the only complete ones take 2 clubs like J6cc). If he checks he can get money out of the parts of hero's range that will now bluff when checked to instead of fold to a bet.

And the value range on the river that hero calls a bet with isn't much wider (or weaker) than the range he bets himself when checked to.


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Dec 10 2015 21:16. Posts 3093

doesnt he reduce his premium hand to a bluffcatcher by doing anything other than check call? like basically, he's way underrepped, so you're gonna vbet pretty much any hand you call, right? and then if he check raises river, do you really call worse than tens full? (which makes it T7 exactly he loses value against, lose vs SF+T9) and if he bets out then same outcome except you can raise with the few hands that beat him.

like intuitively I don't think I'd check call in his spot, but trying to analyze it it seems like the best play against a solid player?

lol POKER 

HungarianGOD   . Dec 10 2015 21:24. Posts 459

How is villain's best play not to just bet/call? I think he could have bluffed with 78 on turn and river, and after river card could probably turn all naked tens into a bluff too. So he should definitely be able to have bluffs. Check/call sevens full and eights full or something. I dono. There is just absolutely no way that if there is only betting on 1-street, that you should check/call with the second nuts on this board.

I think check-raise is the worst line (other than check-fold)


YoMeR   United States. Dec 10 2015 21:25. Posts 12435

i think a thing to consider is that also protects his river checking range by checking a hand as strong as this here. Value betting vs his river range in this spot will be a lot more difficult.

eZ Life. 

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Dec 10 2015 21:27. Posts 3093


  On December 10 2015 20:24 HungarianGOD wrote:
How is villain's best play not to just bet/call? I think he could have bluffed with 78 on turn and river, and after river card could probably turn all naked tens into a bluff too. So he should definitely be able to have bluffs. Check/call sevens full and eights full or something. I dono. There is just absolutely no way that if there is only betting on 1-street, that you should check/call with the second nuts on this board.

I think check-raise is the worst line (other than check-fold)



5th nuts, 3 sf combos and t9

lol POKER 

Twisted    Netherlands. Dec 10 2015 21:55. Posts 10422

Why would he ever raise.

Check/call over bet/fold is kinda weird though.

 Last edit: 10/12/2015 21:55

HungarianGOD   . Dec 10 2015 23:57. Posts 459


  On December 10 2015 20:27 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +



5th nuts, 3 sf combos and t9


yeah yeah ;-p


Liquid`Drone   Norway. Dec 11 2015 00:25. Posts 3093


  On December 10 2015 20:55 Twisted wrote:
Why would he ever raise.

Check/call over bet/fold is kinda weird though.



why bet/fold? seems to me like it's only slightly ahead of check/call in terms of extracting value (villain is so underrepped when checking river that most hands that would call river bet are also likely to vbet?) I mean I can see some that won't, so I accept that for extracting value bet fold is better than check call. But then if he was gonna bluff, you've gone from him either bluffing over (and winning the pot) or folding, as opposed to him betting into you.

I basically think he'd need to have a really really low bluff frequency (and not just bluff over the bet, but bluff if checked to) for bet fold to be better. Likewise I think he'd need to have a really high bluff frequency for bet/call to be better. ;p Pretty cool math spot, wish I had the tools and the knowhow :D

lol POKER 

TianYuan    Korea (South). Dec 11 2015 03:35. Posts 6817


  On December 10 2015 20:16 Liquid`Drone wrote:
doesnt he reduce his premium hand to a bluffcatcher by doing anything other than check call? like basically, he's way underrepped, so you're gonna vbet pretty much any hand you call, right? and then if he check raises river, do you really call worse than tens full? (which makes it T7 exactly he loses value against, lose vs SF+T9) and if he bets out then same outcome except you can raise with the few hands that beat him.

like intuitively I don't think I'd check call in his spot, but trying to analyze it it seems like the best play against a solid player?


I don't think I should vbet river light at all. Not even sure I should vbet a naked A high flush unless it has a T or 9/8 etc to block a full house.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

VanDerMeyde   Norway. Dec 11 2015 07:20. Posts 5108

I guess he ran very bad before this hand

:D 

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Dec 11 2015 13:31. Posts 3093

what would you call a vbet from him with then? all flushes?

lol POKER 

TianYuan    Korea (South). Dec 11 2015 13:35. Posts 6817

Yeah probably. He might get some bets from Tx and like 96xx on river but he blocks Tx and doesn't block clubs.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

Fayth    Canada. Dec 11 2015 18:58. Posts 10085

I don't play much PLO but def feels like he should be betting to get called by a bunch of flushes most of which would check back river otherwise

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

MiPwnYa    Brasil. Dec 12 2015 09:06. Posts 5230


LOL


 

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