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Handnr: 1060758
Submitted by : Joe

PokerStars Zoom Hand #144671759508: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2015/12/01 20:14:26 CET [2015/12/01 14:14:26 ET]
Table Diotima 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Joeik ($451.11 in chips)
Seat 2: neXOTa ($288.80 in chips)
Seat 3: AbakaneLL ($344.45 in chips)
Seat 4: crazyslag ($266.15 in chips)
Seat 5: JWilshere_19 ($159.77 in chips)
Seat 6: chriscon ($269.75 in chips)
neXOTa: posts small blind $1
AbakaneLL: posts big blind $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Joeik 5s4dJsAh
crazyslag: folds
JWilshere_19: folds
chriscon: folds
Joeik: raises $3 to $5
neXOTa: raises $12 to $17
AbakaneLL: folds
Joeik: calls $12

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $36.00)

   Th3d8s
neXOTa: checks
Joeik: bets $22.69
neXOTa: calls $22.69

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $81.38)

   Th3d8s2c
neXOTa: checks
Joeik: bets $61
neXOTa: calls $61

River (Pot : $203.38)

   Th3d8s2c5d
neXOTa: checks
Joeik: bets $200.58
neXOTa: calls $188.11 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($12.47) returned to Joeik

Showdown
Joeik: shows 5s4dJsAh (a straight, Ace to Five)
neXOTa: shows Kd6h2d5h (two pair, Fives and Deuces)
Joeik collected $576.80 from pot

Summary
Total pot $579.60 | Rake $2.80
Board  Th3d8s2c5d
Seat 1: Joeik (button) showed 5s4dJsAh and won ($576.80) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 2: neXOTa (small blind) showed Kd6h2d5h and lost with two pair, Fives and Deuces
Seat 3: AbakaneLL (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: crazyslag folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: JWilshere_19 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: chriscon folded before Flop (didnt bet)

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Joe   Czech Republic. Dec 01 2015 20:18. Posts 5987

Can someone help me understand his gameplan here? Esp. the flop x/c.

Guy is a regular.

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there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

TimDawg    United States. Dec 01 2015 21:15. Posts 10188

The flop c/c seems bad to me. I think I understand his (probable) line of thinking for doing it. I suppose he thinks he has too much equity to just c/f and doesn't like the prospect of barreling when a lot of his outs could be tainted when he makes them on the river.

I still think he's better off barreling or just c/f'ing. I would rather c/c something that already has some SD or could have some SD by the turn..

online bob is actually a pretty smart person, not at all like the creepy fucker that sits in the sofa telling me he does nasty shit to me when im asleep - pinballLast edit: 01/12/2015 21:15

traxamillion   United States. Dec 02 2015 02:06. Posts 10416

I like his line I think; he probably checks this flop with most hands


TianYuan    Korea (South). Dec 02 2015 06:08. Posts 6785

-_- He doesn't even have a gutshot wtf. Very clearly superior to bet fold or c/f to this. C/c this he's never gonna have a turn he can raise, so he's gonna c/c oop again with no showdown value when he hits one of his draws? And he's gonna hit a dominated draw as often as not anyway.

Plus he has 0 sd value so when we fold AQ46 here it's a huge win.

Preflop horrible, flop horrible, turn ok I guess he has to, river yeah fine.

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

MiPwnYa    Brasil. Dec 02 2015 17:17. Posts 5227

Looks fine to me


Joe   Czech Republic. Dec 02 2015 17:48. Posts 5987

Can you help me understand it Quentin? What is his entire plan?

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

nolan   Ireland. Dec 02 2015 20:03. Posts 6205

i really dont see how he can have any real plan here other than turning his hand into a bluff.

seems like wreckless spew from my pov

On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid 

MiPwnYa    Brasil. Dec 02 2015 20:55. Posts 5227


  On December 02 2015 16:48 Joe wrote:
Can you help me understand it Quentin? What is his entire plan?


i was trolling lol
its godawful obv


MiPwnYa    Brasil. Dec 02 2015 20:56. Posts 5227

i doubt hes a "reg"
prob just a fish who plays a lot


MiPwnYa    Brasil. Dec 02 2015 20:57. Posts 5227


traxamillion   United States. Dec 02 2015 21:04. Posts 10416

Wouldn't call it wreck less spew; he has over 30% on average vs the 3bet caller's flop betting range when checked to. By checking he can always call. If villain bets and gets c/r on flop he is always folding a nice piece of equity since he can't call (equity ain't that good but more importantly no nut potential really - ranges are quite wide on flop initially after BU open and sb 3b but a flop raise here will tighten significantly to where our hand no longer plays well, or well enough).

Things on turn will be pretty well defined too for us while our hands will be fairly disguised to villain. Half the deck gives us a FD or 4 to continue if villain bets again. The other half we can fold or if it checks through bluff river.

River people are barelling wide enough that you can just c/c all ur hits and let villain rep your hand; or even lead some king high flushes/straights when u hit.

I wouldn't say he can raise no turns with this line; villain will have a clearly +ev turn c/r on the 4d but I don't feel that is extremely important.


traxamillion   United States. Dec 02 2015 21:09. Posts 10416

That said I'd prob fold flop and maybe even pre in ring. I just think his play is closer to slightly losing than massively losing and that is what I imagine his thought process to be with that line. That or he just put hero on some wrap around the 810

Results oriented here but villain did have a +ev call at each point pre river.

 Last edit: 02/12/2015 21:40

Liquid`Drone   Norway. Dec 02 2015 21:11. Posts 2844

this looks ass horrible to me. no pair, no gutshot, there aren't even many runner runner draws for him..

lol POKER 

traxamillion   United States. Dec 02 2015 21:16. Posts 10416

I just think this looks worse to some straight NL players than it really is.


Joe   Czech Republic. Dec 02 2015 22:06. Posts 5987

Well, thanks all for opinions. Quentin you got me with your first comment

I felt like it was horrible but also thought this guy was a winner, so wanted to understand the situation better.

What traxamillion says might probably be a plan with a somewhat more reasonable hand, that can x/c flop, but cant b/c (eventhough i have trouble coming up with such a range for this flop tbh).

there is a light at the end of the tunnel... (but sometimes the tunnel is long and deep as hell) 

MiPwnYa    Brasil. Dec 03 2015 00:47. Posts 5227

traxamillion is probably trollin as well lol
either that or hard drugs


careface_   Canada. Dec 03 2015 01:41. Posts 788

this is awful, on all levels, next


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Dec 03 2015 04:50. Posts 8633


  On December 02 2015 19:57 MiPwnYa wrote:



what site is that?

Truck-Crash Life 

careface_   Canada. Dec 03 2015 05:27. Posts 788

Russian PTR


bigredhoss   Cook Islands. Dec 03 2015 05:42. Posts 8633

ah ok just googled it. looks like they require that you've played 30k hands in past 6 months for free trial, too bad i've played 0 it would be fun to see what people are making these days

Truck-Crash Life 

traxamillion   United States. Dec 03 2015 06:24. Posts 10416

yea trolling lol


traxamillion   United States. Dec 03 2015 06:25. Posts 10416

trying to play devils advocate and failing


drone666   Brasil. Dec 03 2015 14:24. Posts 1708


  On December 03 2015 04:42 bigredhoss wrote:
ah ok just googled it. looks like they require that you've played 30k hands in past 6 months for free trial, too bad i've played 0 it would be fun to see what people are making these days



you just have to pay, the trial afaik is only for small stakes searchs and its shit
and you need invitation code too to join


 

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