I do realise it's PLO 200, but...does he ever check this flop holding 9Tc? and then when queens pair on the turn lead 60% pot bet?
if he did, it's insane.

what is so unusual about checking to the pf raiser with a strong hand?

well, if player3 indeed held xxT9 then checking flop OOP sucks in my opinion
he still had 2 players ahead, he knew that if he bet for like 3/4 of the pot any FD will call, some wraps might pot it
when he checked he could only hope for someone to bet, in order to reraise
then turn comes, it was the worst card if he had a straight from the flop
on the other hand he probably thought a set would make a bet on the flop...
dunno, I'm just a newbie that tries to understand the thought process on such stakes

Are you smoking crack bro?

On March 17 2013 11:28 idonotremember wrote: well, if player3 indeed held xxT9 then checking flop OOP sucks in my opinion he still had 2 players ahead, he knew that if he bet for like 3/4 of the pot any FD will call, some wraps might pot it when he checked he could only hope for someone to bet, in order to reraise then turn comes, it was the worst card if he had a straight from the flop on the other hand he probably thought a set would make a bet on the flop... dunno, I'm just a newbie that tries to understand the thought process on such stakes

he can easily have 9TQ*dd and lead turn with straight and blocker to the FH then rivered a SF and continued firing.

As played he has only 1 combination of JQ or 9Tdd, so its 50-50, making the call -EV. not sure if i will be able to lay it down while playing though.

"nah, I ain't messing up with this shit yo"
guess I should watch some PLO week on PAD ;x

not sure why you not betting this flop though. you can easier represent flush once it hits, take value from kTa*, some gutshots with fd, sometimes weaker 2 pair or represent the straight yourself on later streets depending how the hand plays. you also protect vs some random shit that's folding flop, but has equity

fold river

just as many QJ as T9dd, but playing for half vs QJ and he might even flat your raise with QJ fearing T9dd

I think I beat 1/2 pretty good and I'd probably not lead much of anything here that often.

I'd call for the split and random dumb shit.

On March 17 2013 15:02 DustySwedeDude wrote: I think I beat 1/2 pretty good and I'd probably not lead much of anything here that often. I'd call for the split and random dumb shit.

do you actually mean leading flop or turn? cuz villain lead turn and that's totally fine on his side imo

Turn is fine, leading flop with anything is kinda weird and while I see the point of it I don't think a leading range is mandatory by any means.

Also, the fact that we for some weird reason checked flop might make villian inclined to think that we never has top boat or better.

On March 17 2013 15:15 DustySwedeDude wrote: Also, the fact that we for some weird reason checked flop might make villian inclined to think that we never has top boat or better.

i agree. i just don't see a hand that villain bets turn and 3bets river that is not a value hand, i.e bluff. wouldn't he give up once he gets raised on river?

@DustySwedeDude: thank you, now I get it [I think].

On March 17 2013 15:15 DustySwedeDude wrote: Also, the fact that we for some weird reason checked flop might make villian inclined to think that we never has top boat or better.

if we bet flop, do you like a bet/fold or a bet/call to rep diamonds/board pairing? in my experience at these stakes running the nut flush blocker play is -ev. i get snap called by the K high flush every time pretty much. punted off 200 bbs yesterday in this exact way haha

If all you get called by is the K hi flush, arent you doing pretty damn good? You are folding out sets, straights and a lot of lower flushes.

Folding K high flush seems like a very heavily exploitative move that should only be made against someone you are sure is incapable of bluffing.

i'm not talking about a spot where i just bet flop, bet on flush completing turn, then bet river. folding the K high flush would be bad since i can be value betting worse. i'm talking about a line where i b/c the flop, then c/r the flush turn and jam a blank river for 140 bbs. wouldn't you agree that the K high flush in this spot is a pure bluff catcher?

i mean there are plenty of spots in plo where you get to the river with the 2nd nuts but would be spewing if you called down for that reason alone.

Yea it's a bluffcatcher but it's probably ok to call vs some. Problem is that most people doesn't turn enough shit into bluffs on those rivers.