gallstones fml

If you're gonna dismiss what the doctor says as nonsense why bother going?

lol

woooooooooooooow. so did he shit that out or puke it out? im assuming shat it out in the morning? mfer drank like a cup of vinaigrette + mag sulfate.......WOAW

just go in front of your mirror and be like
'listen bitch, its my body stop fucken around'
its all about being stern

best of luck tho

On January 15 2010 15:23 WastedGate wrote: woooooooooooooow. so did he shit that out or puke it out? im assuming shat it out in the morning? mfer drank like a cup of vinaigrette + mag sulfate.......WOAW

yeah it came out in his shit

idk, i wasnt able to get hold of 100% epsom salts so i may have to wait till tuesday to do this -.-
more time to research it i guess

I don't know much about nutrition, but I get the vibe that raw food movement is alot like a cult - a very insular world where people self-reinforce beliefs and assume everyone else is out to get them. I just wonder have you tried getting another view on the subject... perhaps reading a standard university textbook on nutrition for example?

lol @ teh reservoir dogs clip

On January 15 2010 15:55 Silver)Z( wrote: I don't know much about nutrition, but I get the vibe that raw food movement is alot like a cult - a very insular world where people self-reinforce beliefs and assume everyone else is out to get them. I just wonder have you tried getting another view on the subject... perhaps reading a standard university textbook on nutrition for example?

Meh, im v.open minded on this. Its just that the doctors were clearly telling me false information (to my knowledge) and the thing is that even when i told them WHY raw food was better they said that 'you have a point with the enzymes but cooking food makes it easier to digest' -- maybe this is true for some foods but all or most fruits and vegetables? All that happens is you destroy the nutrients and enzymes making it less nutritious and harder for your body to digest. I think that most people are used to cooked food such that its considered standard or normal to them.

All that said, i havent read a standard university textbook on nutrition. Ive read lots about raw food though and i dont see any reason the information would be biased/incorrect? If ANYONE here knows why raw food is bad i urge you to reply to this post because from what ive seen and felt, its great.

There is definitely a cult element though, im not too into that. I used to do a ton of superfoods and still would if i could get them fresh and they were good for me. The only superfood i consume on a fairly regular basis is goji berries and thats rarely.

sounds like hell, gl with the cleansing stuff man.

"because from what ive seen and felt, it's great"

Hows it feel now ?

should i cleanse myself in a pre-emptive strike against this demon spawn?

cant vouch for its credibility but http://www.newtreatments.org/doc/WisdomExperience/188

"increased strain on liver" makes sense?

I might be able to help you with some of your questions. First of all, food containing enzymes needed for digestion is something I have never heard of and im pretty much prepared to call bullshit on that. The body synthetizes the enzmes needed itself and its not a process thats perticularily energy consuming. As for nutrients being destroyed by processing food and cooking it thats definitely true in some extent but nothing i would worry about.

As for the gallstones, what you are saying is correct, people with gallstones are usually ordinated to cut down on fat but bile has nothing to do with the body burning fat so there is no true correlation with your weightloss and the gallstones in that sense. Bile basicly "cuts" fat into smaller peices so that pancreatic lipas can more effectively break the fat down into fatty acids that the small intenstine can absorb. Basicly, a high fat diet will require higher bile synthesis that can lead to gallstones. Bile has nothing to do with breaking down fat stored in your body.

Its pretty weird that you have gotten gallstones after taking up this new diet, but metabolism is a extremely complex system and I do believe that a pure raw diet can be harder to digest that cooked foods. Basicly, you made a radical change in your diet and I dont think you getting gallstones is a coincidence. My advice is to go back to an atleast semi "normal" diet, stay healthy but incorporate more cooked foods in your diet. If the problems dont go away seek medical attention again.

Hit me up if you have any more questions.

oh and that gall bladder cleansing vid is complete bullshit lol.

Con you talk about these "logical" pieces of information like they are fact. The reality is you're just expressing your opinion about nutrition based on what sounds reasonable to you. You haven't got any facts at all. You've done zero legitimate research. Look up some peer-reviewed research studies from respected science journals. Random internet articles that "sound good" don't count and are likely to be very misleading especially if they are well written. It's not that the writers have some reason to lie to you, it's that the writers are likely morons.

Taking nutritional advice from random websites written by people who have no qualification to be writing such advice is just dangerous and stupid. Doctors and experts are often wrong, but they are held to a much higher standard when they give their medical opinion or publish research in the legitimate manner. You should be looking for legitimate research studies not someones opinion.

On January 15 2010 17:03 sniderstyle wrote: "because from what ive seen and felt, it's great" Hows it feel now ?

Gallstones take 7+ years to form apparently. This means ive been developing them from my previous high fat diet from a very young age (possibly younger than 14 y/o)

On January 15 2010 18:16 SakiSaki wrote: I might be able to help you with some of your questions. First of all, food containing enzymes needed for digestion is something I have never heard of and im pretty much prepared to call bullshit on that. The body synthetizes the enzmes needed itself and its not a process thats perticularily energy consuming. As for nutrients being destroyed by processing food and cooking it thats definitely true in some extent but nothing i would worry about. As for the gallstones, what you are saying is correct, people with gallstones are usually ordinated to cut down on fat but bile has nothing to do with the body burning fat so there is no true correlation with your weightloss and the gallstones in that sense. Bile basicly "cuts" fat into smaller peices so that pancreatic lipas can more effectively break the fat down into fatty acids that the small intenstine can absorb. Basicly, a high fat diet will require higher bile synthesis that can lead to gallstones. Bile has nothing to do with breaking down fat stored in your body. Its pretty weird that you have gotten gallstones after taking up this new diet, but metabolism is a extremely complex system and I do believe that a pure raw diet can be harder to digest that cooked foods. Basicly, you made a radical change in your diet and I dont think you getting gallstones is a coincidence. My advice is to go back to an atleast semi "normal" diet, stay healthy but incorporate more cooked foods in your diet. If the problems dont go away seek medical attention again. Hit me up if you have any more questions.

Thanks saki, i appreciate the reply. I dont mean to sound condescending at all but is it possible that you've not learned about this in your medschool/university course yet? iirc you're a 1st or 2nd year student right? Idk. Is it also possible that you're not studying nutrition specifically and its only a small part of your course?

Some info about it:
http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/enzymes.htm

Heres a video from about.com -- fairly reputable??
http://video.about.com/nutrition/Enzymes-and-Digestion.htm

Idk, i was hoping i could link you something you could take to your professor and ask about (or just ask about?) but im not sure what resources he would accept. Just take a look at those pages though because the enzymes from food seem to definitely help with the digestive process.


Now, as for the second part of your post -- I dont know the EXACT reasoning why there is a correlation between losing weight and gall stones but all of the resources ive looked at have 'have recently lost weight' under the causes.
For e.g: http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Gallstones/Pages/new_Causes.aspx
Im not sure exactly why this is but my reasoning in OP was just a thought i had on the topic. Perhaps this is a little more credible? Would obv appreciate it if you could consult someone regarding this too but if u dont np. Its not just for my sake, its about you having the most amount of knowledge and options you can have and not just something thats out of a text book. I dont mean that offensively either fwiw.


I know i changed my diet recently (1 month or so ago) to 100% raw but keep in mind that gallstones take many years to form and the fact i changed my diet a month ago is almost meaningless? Unless there is some other relation between weight loss and the forming of gallstones thats unrelated to the burning of fat?

That video might be bullshit but im leaning towards believing it at the moment given the amount of resources out there on 'liver/gallbladder cleansing' -- i know 'the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it' but i dont think it applies to this as people seem to get results.

On January 15 2010 15:55 Silver)Z( wrote: I don't know much about nutrition, but I get the vibe that raw food movement is alot like a cult - a very insular world where people self-reinforce beliefs and assume everyone else is out to get them. I just wonder have you tried getting another view on the subject... perhaps reading a standard university textbook on nutrition for example?

This is very true and there is a LOT of dogma in the raw food community. Some raw foodists are extremely irritating and have such self-reinforced beliefs and they are completely off on most topics, saying that we should fear dairy, meat and all cooked food for example. Other than some of the annoying people, there's some good stuff in there though if you dig enough.

On January 15 2010 18:35 Bejamin1 wrote: Con you talk about these "logical" pieces of information like they are fact. The reality is you're just expressing your opinion about nutrition based on what sounds reasonable to you. You haven't got any facts at all. You've done zero legitimate research. Look up some peer-reviewed research studies from respected science journals. Random internet articles that "sound good" don't count and are likely to be very misleading especially if they are well written. It's not that the writers have some reason to lie to you, it's that the writers are likely morons. Taking nutritional advice from random websites written by people who have no qualification to be writing such advice is just dangerous and stupid. Doctors and experts are often wrong, but they are held to a much higher standard when they give their medical opinion or publish research in the legitimate manner. You should be looking for legitimate research studies not someones opinion.

Noted, thanks.

K, just found the reason:

Rapid weight loss. As the body metabolizes fat during prolonged fasting and rapid weight loss—such as “crash diets”—the liver secretes extra cholesterol into bile, which can cause gallstones. In addition, the gallbladder does not empty properly.

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/gallstones/

Makes a lot of sense, yes?