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rnbsalsa88   United States. Apr 07 2008 22:23. Posts 821 | | |
This is from an actual hand played while coaching a student (not going to mention names) last night. So for practice, create a range of hands for our opponent on the turn, and then come up with the best lines you believe that should be played on the turn, and a river, if there is one.
About our opponent: Opponent is a bit on the loose side. Capable of making moves, but fairly reasonable post flop. Not overly aggressive, or passive. That's all we have for a read at this point.
I can't convert the hand because I was only observing unfortunately.
HERO has: (9-Clubs)(9-Diamonds)
Stage #881652390: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2008-01-21 00:45:14 (ET)
Table: NEWBY AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - VILLAIN ($204.20 in chips)
Seat 5 - BOGIEKY ($151.40 in chips)
Seat 6 - MIXITWELL ($114.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - EDBANGSU ($76.85 in chips)
Seat 2 - HERO ($198.45 in chips)
Seat 3 - ILUVLINDSAY ($218.70 in chips)
BOGIEKY - Posts small blind $0.50
MIXITWELL - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
EDBANGSU - Calls $1
HERO - Raises $5 to $5
ILUVLINDSAY - Folds
VILLAIN - Calls $5
BOGIEKY - Folds
MIXITWELL - Folds
EDBANGSU - Folds
*** FLOP *** (2-Clubs)(Q-Diamonds)(Q-Clubs)
HERO- Bets $8
VILLAIN - Calls $8
*** TURN *** (2-Clubs)(Q-Diamonds)(Q-Clubs) (4-Clubs)
HERO ?
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lachlan   Australia. Apr 07 2008 22:29. Posts 6991 | | |
6 max is for noobs, full ring is great! |
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goodguysm   United States. Apr 07 2008 22:57. Posts 1051 | | |
i think we have to give it up here.
such a crap spot oop to be going further |
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k2o4   United States. Apr 07 2008 23:33. Posts 4803 | | |
I'd say bet / fold
Opp range imo:
Q
Flush draw
Pocket pair (probably lower than use, but possibly TT/JJ or a slowplayed QQ-AA)
Not much we're beating, but we could fold out better, like bigger PP and weak Q's. So I'd bet like 2/3 of the pot and fold to a raise, check/fold the river vs a call. |
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Fayth   Canada. Apr 07 2008 23:34. Posts 10085 | | |
impossible to put any kind of accurate range here, we have no info yet.......
he could have anything from 22 to 88, clubs, and some A high type of hand floating on a paired board....
meh... |
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ggplz   Sweden. Apr 07 2008 23:48. Posts 16784 | | |
probably bet for info here |
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Babs   Australia. Apr 08 2008 00:11. Posts 1178 | | | |
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sniderstyle   United States. Apr 08 2008 00:59. Posts 2046 | | |
check/call (to give him room to bluff the flush)
then block bet river?
nah i prefer bet/folding since he could have any club + 6 overcard outs |
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KeanuReaver   United States. Apr 08 2008 01:39. Posts 2022 | | | |
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MiPwnYa   Brasil. Apr 08 2008 02:56. Posts 5230 | | | |
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Robinson47   United Kingdom. Apr 08 2008 03:40. Posts 992 | | |
is check calling on turn wrong? and then check on the river and see what he does, isnt a smaller pocket his most likely hand and if you check he would fire a half pot bet on the turn and then check river. I think we can assume a 9 is coming on the river anyway so u will win.
I am an optimist/donk so i just assume he hasnt got the queen or 22. |
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rnbsalsa88   United States. Apr 08 2008 04:51. Posts 821 | | |
So here's some of the hand ranges I would place on him here.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.605% 56.11% 00.50% 1975 17.50 { 9c9d }
Hand 1: 43.395% 42.90% 00.50% 1510 17.50 { TT-22, AcJc, KQs, QTs+, AcJd, AcJh, AcJs, AdJc, AhJc, AsJc, KQo, QTo+, 98o }
We gain more by check/calling in this spot than by betting. I hope everyone understand that. In this hand, the student wanted to check/fold the turn, and we got into a discussion about how this is giving up a +EV situation. We also discussed why betting is not as profitable. Sometimes villain will have the flush here, sometimes they'll have the Q of course too, or maybe even TT. Against that complete range however, and adding in the fact there is more chance they will bluff the turn, then it's slightly more profitable to check/call out of position here.
If they fire the river too, then we'll have a difficult decision. Firing a blocking bet here, wouldn't have been that bad, and we considered it, but decided to check the river.
Stage #881652390: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2008-01-21 00:45:14 (ET)
Table: NEWBY AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - VILLAIN ($204.20 in chips)
Seat 5 - BOGIEKY ($151.40 in chips)
Seat 6 - MIXITWELL ($114.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - EDBANGSU ($76.85 in chips)
Seat 2 - HERO ($198.45 in chips)
Seat 3 - ILUVLINDSAY ($218.70 in chips)
BOGIEKY - Posts small blind $0.50
MIXITWELL - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
EDBANGSU - Calls $1
HERO - Raises $5 to $5
ILUVLINDSAY - Folds
VILLAIN - Calls $5
BOGIEKY - Folds
MIXITWELL - Folds
EDBANGSU - Folds
*** FLOP *** [2c Qd Qc]
HERO - Bets $8
VILLAIN - Calls $8
*** TURN *** [2c Qd Qc] 
HERO - Checks
VILLAIN - Bets $18
HERO - Calls $18
*** RIVER *** [2c Qd Qc 4c] 8d
HERO - Checks
VILLAIN - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO - Shows [9c 9d] (Two Pair, queens and nines)
VILLAIN - Mucks
PASSINTHRUU Collects $61 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($64.50) | Rake ($3) | Jackpot Rake ($0.50)
Board [2c Qd Qc 4c 8d]
Seat 1: EDBANGSU Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: HERO won Total ($61) HI $61) with Two Pair, queens and nines [9c 9d - B:Qd,B:Qc,P d,P c,B:8d]
Seat 3: ILUVLINDSAY Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: VILLAIN (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [7h 7d]
Seat 5: BOGIEKY (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: MIXITWELL (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
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cariadon   Estonia. Apr 08 2008 05:10. Posts 4019 | | |
28.5 pot so pot turn and make the fucker fold if he calls he is valuetowned and can never get a vbet off us on river |
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