nl25 AA (300bbs deep)

This guy is a reg 3 betting at 2% (350H) ... can i fold turn? after he calls flop i dont think he has QQ in is range, could he be doing this w AAd or KKd?


Submitted by : xicotaSLB

PokerStars Game #70195373575: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2011/11/07 17:31:14 ET
Table Boucolion X 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Roeleke333 ($75.74 in chips)
Seat 2: ZoLoToI_LoL$ ($26.01 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($73.93 in chips)
Seat 4: marcoregoluf ($28.35 in chips)
Seat 5: AndyGarsia ($97.74 in chips)
Seat 6: Littlengland ($25.86 in chips)
Roeleke333: posts small blind $0.10
ZoLoToI_LoL$: posts big blind $0.25
Roeleke333: posts the ante $0.05
ZoLoToI_LoL$: posts the ante $0.05
Hero: posts the ante $0.05
marcoregoluf: posts the ante $0.05
AndyGarsia: posts the ante $0.05
Littlengland: posts the ante $0.05

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Hero: raises $0.50 to $0.75
marcoregoluf: folds
AndyGarsia: raises $1.50 to $2.25
Littlengland: folds
Littlengland leaves the table
Roeleke333: folds
ZoLoToI_LoL$: folds
Hero: raises $5 to $7.25
AndyGarsia: calls $5

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $14.85)

   
Hero: bets $11.25
AndyGarsia: calls $11.25

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $37.35)

   
Hero: bets $23.75
AndyGarsia: raises $55.44 to $79.19 and is all-in
Hero: calls $31.63 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($23.81) returned to AndyGarsia

River (Pot : $148.11)

   

Showdown
Hero: shows (two pair, Aces and Fours)
AndyGarsia: shows (a Royal Flush)
AndyGarsia collected $146.41 from pot

Summary
Total pot $148.41 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: Roeleke333 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ZoLoToI_LoL$ (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Hero showed and lost with two pair, Aces and Fours
Seat 4: marcoregoluf folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: AndyGarsia showed and won ($146.41) with a Royal Flush
Seat 6: Littlengland (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)

I honestly have no clue what to do. Also don't post results.

as much as this sucks I think you have to fold turn. Well board is paired, I have no idea. Maybe call. This just blows

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prob start by checking flop.

On November 07 2011 21:31 Stroggoz wrote: prob start by checking flop.

hmm i disagree but i think turn fold is fine although i'm not sure if check/calling is better.

check/fold turn imo, you are too deep to bet all your money with only one pair. also if you call the turn, you are in a bad shape on the river, so I prefer fold in this spot

On November 07 2011 21:31 Stroggoz wrote: prob start by checking flop.

If we check the flop, what is our plan for the hand? to check / call 3 streets?

thing is he has KK in is range, if i c/f and he bets KK its setting money on fire... just an awful spot but oh well cant be that bad since ive seen many regs spazz this deep at these stakes..

Not sure what I do here, pretty gross spot. But river is foldable, for sure.

dont like the way you played this, think i either c/c flop or b/f turn

he doesnt show up with KK too often when he shoves, QQ AdKx AdKd JJ AdQx are bigger parts of his range i think

i'd bet like 2.25/7 on flop

this is an incredibly tough spot, i dont blame u for going broke

for anyone who says check, you cant pot control OOP when villian has you beat, him having position means hes gonna fk us up whenever he wants unless we somehow hero fold, i suppose in this particular spot we would be able to find a river fold quite easily, however im not sure thats the more profitable play

idk i might be a super nit, but how is this a tough spot? We have AA, no re-draws to a stronger hand, and the only thing we beat on the turn is random AK and KK. Once he ships it on the turn, I really can't see him doing this with worse than KK (and that's such a small range of JJ/QQ/KK/AA that calls a 4bet vs UTG raiser)

On December 09 2011 01:06 SugoGosu wrote: idk i might be a super nit, but how is this a tough spot? We have AA, no re-draws to a stronger hand, and the only thing we beat on the turn is random AK and KK. Once he ships it on the turn, I really can't see him doing this with worse than KK (and that's such a small range of JJ/QQ/KK/AA that calls a 4bet vs UTG raiser)

if thats his turn range its a clear call...

How is that ever a call? Looks like easy fold to me

On December 09 2011 12:53 SugoGosu wrote: How is that ever a call? Looks like easy fold to me

Board: Qd Jd 4s 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.017% 41.96% 03.06% 240 17.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 54.983% 51.92% 03.06% 297 17.50 { JJ+ }



Please run the math before making a 2nd post which contributes nothing


on that note - even vs the NUT range which includes only AKdd, and JJ-AA this is a super easy call

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.289% 39.45% 02.84% 243 17.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 57.711% 54.87% 02.84% 338 17.50 { JJ+, AdKd }

didn't think this would be such an easy call, thought owuld be a lot closer, but this is a snap call ;-0

That's also vs the worst possible range immaginable, if we add AK and assume he floats only when he has a diamond (which is a semi-reasonable assumption) it looks like

Board: Qd Jd 4s 4d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.179% 46.97% 02.21% 372 17.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 50.821% 48.61% 02.21% 385 17.50 { JJ+, AdKd, AcKd, AdKc, AdKh, AdKs, AhKd, AsKd }