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your less optimistic version is also less real to the virtually not possible point. I like TT's reasoning way more

not possible, unless you have a read that he's a nut peddling bitch. then u surely can lay that down

When talented tom said pessimistic, he meant pessimistic to put him on such a narrow range that makes you almost a flip. A more optimistic range would have you winning more. I think you got that backwards, when you posted your optimistic, less optimistic ranges my friend.

Imo the decision is close, and I don't hate your fold, but what tom said about your EV being a big stack here, vs being short should come into your mind.

When you re-raise the flop you shouldn't really fold, or was that the plan when you re-raised, or did you not have a plan if the guy last to act 3 bet? People often take actions without a plan and I think this is one of those cases.

On April 21 2011 10:36 MTT-DESTROYER wrote: When you re-raise the flop you shouldn't really fold, or was that the plan when you re-raised, or did you not have a plan if the guy last to act 3 bet? People often take actions without a plan and I think this is one of those cases.

riiight, cause getting cold 3bet on a multiway flop is common
not knowing what to do if the guy I was raising shoves, thats not having a plan, this isnt

On April 22 2011 14:21 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2011 10:36 MTT-DESTROYER wrote: When you re-raise the flop you shouldn't really fold, or was that the plan when you re-raised, or did you not have a plan if the guy last to act 3 bet? People often take actions without a plan and I think this is one of those cases. riiight, cause getting cold 3bet on a multiway flop is common not knowing what to do if the guy I was raising shoves, thats not having a plan, this isnt

he's selling shares of Sunday tourneys so he decided to show off a bit in the tourney section.

On April 22 2011 15:07 pluzich wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2011 14:21 player999 wrote:   On April 21 2011 10:36 MTT-DESTROYER wrote: When you re-raise the flop you shouldn't really fold, or was that the plan when you re-raised, or did you not have a plan if the guy last to act 3 bet? People often take actions without a plan and I think this is one of those cases. riiight, cause getting cold 3bet on a multiway flop is common not knowing what to do if the guy I was raising shoves, thats not having a plan, this isnt he's selling shares of Sunday tourneys so he decided to show off a bit in the tourney section.

yeah since he thinks we should have a plan when playing hands then its def a good move to stake him

^ that + the mega-super nick.

Errrrrrrr you raise/folded almost 50% of your stack, that can't be good in any situation. You raised because you didn't have a clue where you were in the hand imo, pretty much turning your hand into a bluff. If you're snapping a 3 bet from the lead bettor then fair enough, but to totally discount the player last to act? He has to factor into your decisions no matter how rare you think a cold 3 bet is.

All in my unwelcome opinion of course.


Just flat the flop

On April 22 2011 15:07 pluzich wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2011 14:21 player999 wrote:   On April 21 2011 10:36 MTT-DESTROYER wrote: When you re-raise the flop you shouldn't really fold, or was that the plan when you re-raised, or did you not have a plan if the guy last to act 3 bet? People often take actions without a plan and I think this is one of those cases. riiight, cause getting cold 3bet on a multiway flop is common not knowing what to do if the guy I was raising shoves, thats not having a plan, this isnt he's selling shares of Sunday tourneys so he decided to show off a bit in the tourney section.

How is this trying to show off? He posted a hand and wanted opinions, so I gave mine.

On April 23 2011 06:24 MTT-DESTROYER wrote: Just flat the flop

just flat the flop and lose millions of values to the first guy, just cause the other one *just might* show up w/ the nuts

sounds like a plan

On April 23 2011 06:24 MTT-DESTROYER wrote: Errrrrrrr you raise/folded almost 50% of your stack, that can't be good in any situation. You raised because you didn't have a clue where you were in the hand imo, pretty much turning your hand into a bluff. If you're snapping a 3 bet from the lead bettor then fair enough, but to totally discount the player last to act? He has to factor into your decisions no matter how rare you think a cold 3 bet is. All in my unwelcome opinion of course. Just flat the flop

Flatting that flop is terrible, because you are ahead of the donking range by a mile, but in the same time half of the deck are scare cards for you especially if the guy behind you calls too.

Did you have a line in your post saying "you're raising for information" which you edited? I think you changed it to
"You raised because you didn't have a clue where you were in the hand imo" which btw makes 0 sense.

I don't think we are "miles ahead" of the donk lead and I wouldn't be too confident with another person to act behind as well.

Do you not think we can call flop and raise any blank turn?

he is value raising the donk but runs into some other guys nuts.

please explain to me why you would raise the flop and over play your equity?

as said before, to get it in vs original donkbettor

as northface and others said, play is totally fine given what player999 thought at the moment, maybe raise less but that's it, flatting also ok imo. Talentedtom i think your range is fine for 6max cash games but this is fullring, and they play even tighter in tournaments, so his range is suuuper much more tight than that

On March 07 2011 20:10 nolan wrote: if youre gonna be getting it in against the donker raise is fine. but in practice you need a stiff read to do this and i think flatting is always going to be bettter.

this. and it's not even close.

On May 20 2011 21:58 locoo wrote: as northface and others said, play is totally fine given what player999 thought at the moment, maybe raise less but that's it, flatting also ok imo. Talentedtom i think your range is fine for 6max cash games but this is fullring, and they play even tighter in tournaments, so his range is suuuper much more tight than that

fk fullring

im all in

Donk bet pot vs multiway is hell a strong. Flat and evaluate. Once raised should we fold based on what we know??? Interesting hand, the bloated pot makes it a little more likely 3better holds hands we beat marginally....