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AfterLife   New Zealand. Nov 22 2010 16:23. Posts 62

Anyone saw it? its fucking amazing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_the_Movie

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AfterLife   New Zealand. Nov 22 2010 16:25. Posts 62


Try2BePerfect   . Nov 22 2010 16:59. Posts 469

I've seen it long time ago, and fully agree with it.

Sad that so few people have seen this movie.


AfterLife   New Zealand. Nov 22 2010 17:07. Posts 62

the 2nd one is coming out in January 11, people need to come together and take action


Feiticeira   United Kingdom. Nov 22 2010 17:17. Posts 3047

take action? hahahaha

old nonsense is old, Afterlife. People have seen it. People have laughed at it, and people have laughed at the people who didn't laugh at it.

The weird thing is I think McCain will win this. Im 100% certain Obama wont be elected and you guys can mark my words - Sheitan 

Feiticeira   United Kingdom. Nov 22 2010 17:18. Posts 3047

but really:


  people need to come together and take action



what do you mean by this?

The weird thing is I think McCain will win this. Im 100% certain Obama wont be elected and you guys can mark my words - Sheitan 

palak   United States. Nov 22 2010 17:21. Posts 4601

from that wiki, this film is at least 70% bullshit...the only part i may agree w/ would be the section on religion but even then I have a good feeling it's all crap

dont tap the glass...im about ready to take a fucking hammer to the aquarium 

AfterLife   New Zealand. Nov 22 2010 17:26. Posts 62


  On November 22 2010 16:21 palak wrote:
from that wiki, this film is at least 70% bullshit...the only part i may agree w/ would be the section on religion but even then I have a good feeling it's all crap




watch the movie before you criticize it please.


auffenpuffer   Finland. Nov 22 2010 17:28. Posts 1429

The arguments in zeitgeist are good and new. Those that are new are not good and those that are good are not new: everything that I would agree in it has been said a hundred years ago. There is no God, governments do not care about you but are run by rich people for their own good, wars are not fought for ideals of justice but for private gain. Albeit zeitgeist leaves out all critique of capitalism and focuses solely on "international bankers", as if everything would turn out good if we dismantled FED and went for gold standard and money created by states.

btw this is based on wikipedia. The film itself was way too tiltinducing for me to watch.


Only new things in the film are the conspiracy theories which I do not find very interesting or convincing.

Anyhow for those who found zeitgeist interesting I could recommend Chris Harmans "A people's History of the World" which is somewhat more serious attempt at explaining what is wrong the world. I can upload pdf once I get home, can't find a link now.



btw an article about the religion part:

  Zeitgeist is The Da Vinci Code on steroids


http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25/#feature


Well said imo.

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AfterLife   New Zealand. Nov 22 2010 17:34. Posts 62


  On November 22 2010 16:18 Feiticeira wrote:
but really:

Show nested quote +



what do you mean by this?



By that I mean you should start saying NO too every fucking weird laws that your governments and other governments pass. Don't agree with everything the government tells you just because they said its a good idea an its for your safety or your own good, examine the situation before you come to a conclusion. But this might be to late for some people.

I don't wanna say that my country my government is good or anything but i m proud because they said fuck you to US nuclear ships and that is nuclear free.


Feiticeira   United Kingdom. Nov 22 2010 17:37. Posts 3047

can you please lay out some kind of plan for how we should be saying no to laws that foreign governments pass? it sounds like a riot.

The weird thing is I think McCain will win this. Im 100% certain Obama wont be elected and you guys can mark my words - Sheitan 

kaisr   Canada. Nov 22 2010 17:39. Posts 1058


  On November 22 2010 16:34 AfterLife wrote:
Don't agree with everything the government tells you just because they said its a good idea an its for your safety or your own good, examine the situation before you come to a conclusion. But this might be to late for some people.



Funny how you say this, then don't apply it to Zeitgeist... it has been pretty much thoroughly debunked as conspiracy nonsense.


Baalim   Mexico. Nov 22 2010 17:43. Posts 32169

I dont understand why Zeitgeist took it too far to start spilling so much bullshit when all 3 things are in essence truth, religion is BS and christs existence cannot be historically proven and a lot of it is based on pagan rituals, the 9/11 was an obvious demolition job and the Federal Reserve is indeed fucking evil and is getting richer and richer every day, so why use lies to support the truth? so silly.

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nosoul   Brasil. Nov 22 2010 18:08. Posts 900

the corporation, who killed the eletric car, food inc, zeitgeist, sicko, super size me... they all add up to show us how it all works

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genjix2   United Kingdom. Nov 22 2010 18:13. Posts 46

Your solutions for action:


Xervean   United States. Nov 22 2010 18:16. Posts 669

Almost everything said about religion in the movie is false. I recommend just skipping that section and picking up on the 9/11 and federal reserve parts. If you really want to read about the similarities of different world religions and mythologies I recommend anything by Joseph Campbell. Zeitgeist takes some things that are true and attempts to make a slam dunk case by inserting tons and tons of bullshit that is completely fabricated. I will give one quick example of a BS lie from the movie (and there are many). It says that Horus was born of a virgin. This is not true, he was actually born from Isis (who is not a Virgin) when she laid on top of the dead corpse of Osiris in a canoe. Another version of the same story is when Set had Osiris dismembered he threw his penis into the river and it was eaten by catfish. So when Isis gathered up all of his body parts she made a golden penis to put in its place and then had sex with the dead body and conceived. So in both versions of the story she was not a virgin.

I will say however that watching Zeitgeist did get me interested in religion and and comparative mythology because after seeing it I looked all of the stories up and read them to verify what I had seen in the movie. Unfortunately due to the lies in the first 1/3 of the film it tends to discredit in the eyes of many people the other 2/3.


teej1985    United Kingdom. Nov 22 2010 18:26. Posts 716

+1 on zeitgeist being full of a lot of bullshit. I mean they do make some good points too, but to watch it as if its all fact and not research for yourself is a bit silly really

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auffenpuffer   Finland. Nov 22 2010 18:28. Posts 1429

To continue what genjix started on the topic of "what is to be done?"





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Xervean   United States. Nov 22 2010 18:31. Posts 669

I should state that I do think the message of the film that the government uses religion to control people is true. But the stuff they use to discredit all of the religions is about 85% bullshit. Another funny lie is yes it is true that Dionysus turned water into wine because he was the lord of the vine. The reason why Jesus did this in the gospel was to show Greeks that he had more power than their gods. And yes it is very likely that the people who wrote the Gospels made that story up to persuade people to convert to Christianity. That is about where the accuracy of the Dionysus comparison ends -_- Also he was not crucified he was ripped into pieces by the Titans and the only thing left was his heart which zeus used to reconstruct him in the womb of his earthly mother Semele.


Loco   Canada. Nov 22 2010 18:35. Posts 19260

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. (Mencken)Last edit: 22/11/2010 23:18

 
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