Coaching discussion on Myth - Page 37

Across the entire spectrum, great players aren't necessarily great coaches, and great coaches weren't necessarily great players.

Myth as a coach cannot be measure by his personal online statistics as they have nothing to do with his ability to connect with a student and help him improve.

Further, none of this is some secret information recently brought to light . . . those stats are all in the public domain, and hopefully prospective students have done at least a small amount of checking before hiring him.

This isn't even a discussion, it's just some haters trashing a guy. Same guys coming back again and again saying the same things over, none of which matter to begin with.

It aint right

On September 10 2010 13:25 curtinsea wrote: Across the entire spectrum, great players aren't necessarily great coaches, and great coaches weren't necessarily great players. Myth as a coach cannot be measure by his personal online statistics as they have nothing to do with his ability to connect with a student and help him improve. Further, none of this is some secret information recently brought to light . . . those stats are all in the public domain, and hopefully prospective students have done at least a small amount of checking before hiring him. This isn't even a discussion, it's just some haters trashing a guy. Same guys coming back again and again saying the same things over, none of which matter to begin with. It aint right

What I got from this thread is that wobblys the fkn man. Dude clearly don't give a fk and says what he has to say. I mean cmon bro, he goes thru more gfs then royalsu goin thru socks

On September 10 2010 10:55 Loco wrote: thanks for your valuable and original opinion on the matter curtinsea. it's nice to see some people bringing up points that weren't discussed yet. will a mod close this shit thread already? i understand why it was re-opened but now there is absolutely no reason why it still is.

agree v.much, close already

On September 10 2010 02:53 AndrewSong wrote: Myth's pricing is the one in question here. Not his coaching ability. $350/hr is a premium in the coaching industry. In today's game, there's only SMALL % of players who makes over $350/hr playing online. I'm 100% positive there's not even 10 guys here in LP with $300/hr+ hourly just from online grind in 2010. IMO, only coaches who should be charging in that range should be bosses like nolan and nanonoko who's proven to have $400/hr+ hourly against the best regs in they're field.

I can't imagine why someone would spend an hour coaching for less than they would make playing for that hour.

I do think wobbly is jealous of myth. Honestly, I'm a bit jealous myself. I gotta grind my ass off riding thru variance just to make what Myth makes by doing what he likes, discussing poker while completely avoiding variance.

word!

There's lot more qualified coaches who should deserve that kind of money.

Let them get out there and get theirs.

Coaching business is a free market. There's no regulation. people can charge whatever they want, selling whatever they please, long as consumers are willing to buy. So more power to myth.

It's all been said already

i think myth should post how much money he's made from coaching along with a statement of how much he thinks he's deserved to make and maybe a short essay on why he deserves to have made that much

On September 10 2010 15:10 curtinsea wrote: I can't imagine why someone would spend an hour coaching for less than they would make playing for that hour.

really? you can't imagine why?

-.-

On September 10 2010 17:41 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 15:10 curtinsea wrote: I can't imagine why someone would spend an hour coaching for less than they would make playing for that hour. really? you can't imagine why? -.-

No, some sort of charity maybe?

easy money, no stress, no variance wtf

Don't mean to derail this again, but how many cocks does royalsu go through?

Poll: Who is better at poker
(Vote): wobbly
(Vote): myth

On September 10 2010 18:25 Maynard! wrote: Poll: Who is better at poker (Vote): wobbly (Vote): myth

so far the results of the poll goes to show how delusional most people are in this thread. Im not even gna bother responding to curtinsea, "how good myth is at poker has NOTHING to do with how good he is a coach?" comon REALLY??

On September 10 2010 16:44 asdf2000 wrote: i think myth should post how much money he's made from coaching along with a statement of how much he thinks he's deserved to make and maybe a short essay on why he deserves to have made that much

lol

On September 10 2010 09:04 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On September 09 2010 23:11 Bejamin1 wrote:   On September 09 2010 13:37 PoorUser wrote:   On September 09 2010 12:45 Bejamin1 wrote: My question has not been responded to by anyone on LP thus far and it remains the same: What is more likely to have improved his students games? A) Two hours of coaching by Myth per month or B) Volume, Variance, Strong desire to learn & improve, and a large length of time 1-2 years. this is a question about the nature of coaching in general and is not entirely specific to myth. you can use valid arguments with valid examples either way Okay so lets be more specific. Do you think it's ethical to lock individuals into such long-term profit sharing agreements of 1-2 years in maximum potential length? I think the length of such a contract guarantees a payoff for the coach as long as the student is competent and working hard. That makes the coaching less relevant. I would see Myth's profit sharing arrangements as much more fair to his students if they were 3 month contracts which the student can then choose to renew or cancel upon the completion of each 3 month cycle. Maybe this is something Myth would consider changing about his arrangements in the future? my contract allows students to cancel at any time. upon cancellation, they pay me a pro-rated amount of the contract.

So how much do you charge people to buy themselves out of your profit sharing agreement if they're unhappy?

When you say the term pro-rated I assume what you're saying is that if player X has received 6 hours of coaching and wanted to buy-out of their profit-sharing contract they would have to pay you 6 x $350 your pro-rated hourly coaching price. However I do leave open the possibility that the buyout per hour price is something you negotiate when drawing up the contract so it might be substantially less than the $350/hr you would charge for a one off lesson if the person didn't haggle for a lower price.

Please respond when you have a moment Myth. I think this piece of information is reasonably valuable to the non-retarded portions of discussion within this thread.

its prob a time prorata of the 10k or w/e he charges.

On September 10 2010 21:06 Bejamin1 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 09:04 [vital]Myth wrote:   On September 09 2010 23:11 Bejamin1 wrote:   On September 09 2010 13:37 PoorUser wrote:   On September 09 2010 12:45 Bejamin1 wrote: My question has not been responded to by anyone on LP thus far and it remains the same: What is more likely to have improved his students games? A) Two hours of coaching by Myth per month or B) Volume, Variance, Strong desire to learn & improve, and a large length of time 1-2 years. this is a question about the nature of coaching in general and is not entirely specific to myth. you can use valid arguments with valid examples either way Okay so lets be more specific. Do you think it's ethical to lock individuals into such long-term profit sharing agreements of 1-2 years in maximum potential length? I think the length of such a contract guarantees a payoff for the coach as long as the student is competent and working hard. That makes the coaching less relevant. I would see Myth's profit sharing arrangements as much more fair to his students if they were 3 month contracts which the student can then choose to renew or cancel upon the completion of each 3 month cycle. Maybe this is something Myth would consider changing about his arrangements in the future? my contract allows students to cancel at any time. upon cancellation, they pay me a pro-rated amount of the contract. So how much do you charge people to buy themselves out of your profit sharing agreement if they're unhappy? When you say the term pro-rated I assume what you're saying is that if player X has received 6 hours of coaching and wanted to buy-out of their profit-sharing contract they would have to pay you 6 x $350 your pro-rated hourly coaching price. However I do leave open the possibility that the buyout per hour price is something you negotiate when drawing up the contract so it might be substantially less than the $350/hr you would charge for a one off lesson if the person didn't haggle for a lower price. Please respond when you have a moment Myth. I think this piece of information is reasonably valuable to the non-retarded portions of discussion within this thread.

no i charge a base price of $2k for the 5-day intro seminar that i host, and it's 25% of profits from there above that, excepting profit-share payments that have already been made

On September 10 2010 17:59 curtinsea wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2010 17:41 bigredhoss wrote:   On September 10 2010 15:10 curtinsea wrote: I can't imagine why someone would spend an hour coaching for less than they would make playing for that hour. really? you can't imagine why? -.- No, some sort of charity maybe?

uhm what morph said.

a while ago i think there was a poll of highstakes players on 2p2 that asked that if they could only make 50% of their current hourly but with no variance if they would take it instead of their current situation, over half of them said they would take the pay cut in exchange for no variance (and that's a pretty drastic cut, obviously).

On September 09 2010 23:51 nolan wrote: people hating on wobbly are mostly groupthink fanboys, people hating on myth are mostly jealous of his rep, rekrul lives in his own world, /therad

i live in the real world everyone else is ignorant

You are all good poker players. Why can't everyone just get along?

On September 11 2010 01:55 SaturdayZerg wrote: You are all good poker players. Why can't everyone just get along?

because we arent.