2 weeks later

that redline is depressing
sure you can pull it back up though
glgl

I've been wanting to ask you "what happened?" You say you think you have discovered a few fundamental flaws to your entire approach. Well lets hear em. I personally think putting stuff out in the open is a great psychological release, and learning tool. If you just talk about it, it will probably open your eyes to even deeper issues related to it. By "deep" I dont mean emotional shit and all that, it's just like working out a problem in your head. Dont sit there brooding on it, thinking you have your leaks all figured out. And if it's embarassing stuff like making ridiculous shoves or bad calls, air that out too, so you'll never want to do it again

As for moving down, I've always wanted to test a little poker philosophy of mine when it comes to this. Nothing can be worse than dropping to a limit you finally conquered 3 months ago. What could be more depressing than being right back where you started? With your only goal in sight being to move right back up. I think these are all negative motivators to move up. When you first started NL50, you were happy to be there and looking forward to the day, if and when you move up. Now you're just dreading it. Try moving down, like waaayyy down. Move to NL10 or NL25, something truly confidence inspiring. Now when you sit at these tables it will be a joke. You wont look at yourself wondering how the mighty hath fallen, you will be playing it as a test of one's ability. A self-induced challenge. *You* chose to player lower, not the poker gods. Fuck them, you'd stay at NL100 all month if you wanted. You'd move up to NL200 if you fuckin felt like it. Moving to NL50 is throwing in the towel. Moving to NL25 is a big fuck you to variance!

Well.... at least it sounded good in my head... here's to moving down!

On March 17 2010 01:18 NewbSaibot wrote: I've been wanting to ask you "what happened?" You say you think you have discovered a few fundamental flaws to your entire approach. Well lets hear em. I personally think putting stuff out in the open is a great psychological release, and learning tool. If you just talk about it, it will probably open your eyes to even deeper issues related to it. By "deep" I dont mean emotional shit and all that, it's just like working out a problem in your head. Dont sit there brooding on it, thinking you have your leaks all figured out. And if it's embarassing stuff like making ridiculous shoves or bad calls, air that out too, so you'll never want to do it again As for moving down, I've always wanted to test a little poker philosophy of mine when it comes to this. Nothing can be worse than dropping to a limit you finally conquered 3 months ago. What could be more depressing than being right back where you started? With your only goal in sight being to move right back up. I think these are all negative motivators to move up. When you first started NL50, you were happy to be there and looking forward to the day, if and when you move up. Now you're just dreading it. Try moving down, like waaayyy down. Move to NL10 or NL25, something truly confidence inspiring. Now when you sit at these tables it will be a joke. You wont look at yourself wondering how the mighty hath fallen, you will be playing it as a test of one's ability. A self-induced challenge. *You* chose to player lower, not the poker gods. Fuck them, you'd stay at NL100 all month if you wanted. You'd move up to NL200 if you fuckin felt like it. Moving to NL50 is throwing in the towel. Moving to NL25 is a big fuck you to variance! Well.... at least it sounded good in my head... here's to moving down!

I'm having one of the best online poker months in my life (because I'm actually trying and not fucking around anymore) and moving down to stakes where I was just a month ago is so much fun. It's almost guaranteed money.

revelations ITT
GTFO mah micros u pros.

I will try to write a post or two with details on how I think in a certain situation and hopefully someone at midstakes+ will give some insight

hey where in thailand are u?

if you're in BKK u can come to my place and i'll sweat u and u can watch me play and we can talk about poker et cetera

i'll PM u my number

Thanks I'd like that, its exactly exactly what I need but I'm in CM :/ fffffffffffffffffffffffffk

gl rebuilding

nighto2o1 is a cutie pants

lols STILL HAVEN'T PLAYED HON WITH YOU. also I somehow grinded up my rating to 1500 on accident.. and wretched hag is so sick now.

anarki you have a sick looking style.. totally different from tag. I'm trying to brainstorm the differences in approach from the normal 2x/1x or 2x/2x tag style and I just can't figure it out quite yet lol.

I think it's fairly easy with the hands you put in to grind $100 a day easy on NL10. The level of play there is ridiculously low and even someone with a red line like yours should win 10 buyins a day ^_^.

I'd do what newbsaibot said.

But honestly, why the fuck is your red line like that. I'd do some extensive probing in your database to see in what spots you are leaking money in non-sd pots.

On March 17 2010 07:33 Twisted wrote: I think it's fairly easy with the hands you put in to grind $100 a day easy on NL10. The level of play there is ridiculously low and even someone with a red line like yours should win 10 buyins a day ^_^. I'd do what newbsaibot said. But honestly, why the fuck is your red line like that. I'd do some extensive probing in your database to see in what spots you are leaking money in non-sd pots.

well my 6max redline is still pretty bad, but most of the redline on these graphs are HU, where my redline is seriously amazingly bad.. like -2buyins per 1k hands. I lose like .66buyins per 1k hands in redline on 6max which still sucks..

I have honestly looked very carefully through my database and I just can't figure it out.. I really need another set of eyes / brain to look at it :/ Volunteers welcome.. <3

I just opened up 5 nl10 tables and before I had bought in for 3 of them I felt physically unwell and immediately closed ftp.

At least you won't break even on 10NL (most likely)

Maybe you just don't valuebet enough. That's also a reason why red lines go down. If you valuebet light they're gonna fold a bunch which will add to your non-sd-winnings. If you check behind marginal value hands on the turn/river that are most likely good (but for some reason you fear a checkraise which happens almost never) it adds to your showdown winnings. I'd look for spots where you could valuebet thinner. Also, try to use 'pot control' (barf) less, especially on the turn.

you suck at poker dude, get a coach asap

I will think about the valuebetting, but (not to defend the current state of my game, and excluding the hand I posted earlier today lol) I think its unlikely that I'm not valuebetting enough simply because when I ask people what they think about hands they mostly say "Why are u betting here" and I'm like "for value" and they are all like "there's no value there".

I have never pot controlled the turn in my life (possibly a longterm leak) except for when I tilt (wherein I choose terrible spots to pot control.

And the tilt really could be so bad that I have been pot controlling in bad spots and not valuebetting properly for a while now without even realizing it.. so I will definitely look at it and return a focus to this part of my game..

On March 17 2010 09:27 Night2o1 wrote: I will think about the valuebetting, but (not to defend the current state of my game, and excluding the hand I posted earlier today lol) I think its unlikely that I'm not valuebetting enough simply because when I ask people what they think about hands they mostly say "Why are u betting here" and I'm like "for value" and they are all like "there's no value there".

Probably low stakes people like yourself who have no idea what valuebetting is. There is always value :D.

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On March 17 2010 07:36 Night2o1 wrote: [QUOTE]On March 17 2010 07:33 Twisted wrote: I just opened up 5 nl10 tables and before I had bought in for 3 of them I felt physically unwell and immediately closed ftp.

Why?

I suppose some sort of pride, and being in the position I'm in mentally and financially after almost 2 years of playing, and how I feel like my thought processes and poker skill has actually regressed significantly in the past 3 months even though I've been working on my game. Haha.

Feh, I just need to pull it together.

Also, wtf, I woke up for my thai class at 8am and I am sitting here on the computer for no reason 12 minutes after class has started. WTF am I doing.