[NL 10] Could I have folded?

Submitted by : SpoR

PokerStars Game #23686822521: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/08 6:10:10 ET
Table Juhani II 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: binion29 ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 4: ulba0404 ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 5: morgjon ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: TSH281007 ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 7: NeroAtWork ($1.95 in chips)
Seat 8: captdereck1 ($2.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($17.20 in chips)
morgjon: posts small blind $0.05
TSH281007: posts big blind $0.10
muck24: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
NeroAtWork: folds
captdereck1: folds
Hero: raises $0.20 to $0.30
binion29: raises $0.20 to $0.50
ulba0404: folds
morgjon: folds
TSH281007: folds
Hero: calls $0.20

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1.15)

   
Hero: bets $1.10
binion29: raises $1.10 to $2.20
Hero: raises $2.80 to $5
binion29: raises $5.95 to $10.95 and is all-in
Hero: calls $5.95

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $23.05)

   

River (Pot : $23.05)

   

Showdown
Hero: shows (three of a kind, Eights)
binion29: shows (three of a kind, Jacks)
binion29 collected $21.90 from pot

Summary
Total pot $23.05 | Rake $1.15
Board  
Seat 2: binion29 showed and won ($21.90) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 4: ulba0404 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: morgjon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: TSH281007 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: NeroAtWork folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: captdereck1 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: Hero showed and lost with three of a kind, Eights

no?

you're tilted.
don't fold a set on flops like this ever

dont fold a set on any flop ever.

This just took like an hour of grinding away.. I hate how people put these hits on you then leave the next hand.

thats poker.

totally disagree with not ever folding sets, but no this is definitely not a spot to fold a set, or even consider folding a set lol

On January 08 2009 05:42 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: thats poker.

The problem is I've been grinding 4 tables for at least 2:30 hours about 300 hands each and including yesterday I'm down like 35$ because of shit like this.

thats poker.

On January 08 2009 05:57 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: thats poker.

Submitted by : SpoR

PokerStars Game #23687473594: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/08 7:00:07 ET
Table Juhani II 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: muck24 ($5.80 in chips)
Seat 2: RedCobr@83 ($9.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Acront ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: ulba0404 ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Filimouse ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 6: luckyleo0806 ($13.35 in chips)
Seat 7: FS1987 ($2.75 in chips)
Seat 8: A3VoyagerXsa ($3.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($11 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.05
muck24: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
RedCobr@83: folds
Acront: folds
ulba0404: folds
Filimouse: folds
luckyleo0806: calls $0.10
FS1987: folds
A3VoyagerXsa: folds
A3VoyagerXsa is sitting out
A3VoyagerXsa leaves the table
Hero: raises $0.40 to $0.50
muck24: folds
luckyleo0806: calls $0.40

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1.10)

   
Hero: checks
luckyleo0806: bets $0.90
Hero: calls $0.90

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $2.90)

   
sssokol joins the table at seat #8
Hero: bets $1.50
luckyleo0806: raises $1.50 to $3
Hero: raises $6.60 to $9.60 and is all-in
luckyleo0806: calls $6.60

River (Pot : $22.10)

   

Showdown
Hero: shows (three of a kind, Kings)
luckyleo0806: shows (three of a kind, Threes)
Hero collected $21 from pot

Summary
Total pot $22.10 | Rake $1.10
Board  
Seat 1: muck24 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: RedCobr@83 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: Acront folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: ulba0404 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: Filimouse folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: luckyleo0806 showed and lost with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 7: FS1987 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 8: A3VoyagerXsa (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 9: Hero (small blind) showed and won ($21) with three of a kind, Kings

do u really 4 table playing 10/8 isnt that like insanely tedious

dont fold sets.ever

I think you can fold sets sometimes with history but not here. He could do this with KJ/AK/AQ/KT esp if one is a spade.

never fold

Total cooler. For just over 100bb you can't really think about folding a set, especially on a drawy board. You should be happy to get it in. How do you like not getting action when you flop a set?

The flat call + turn lead on hand 2 is nice, I like it because it looks like it can be a float, so since you have the nuts I prefer it to flop c/r since it's a little devious and the free card can't harm you and may help him a little but not enough. Well played both hands.

lol @ hero folds @ 10nl

easy folds

On January 08 2009 11:28 Spitfiree wrote: lol @ hero folds @ 10nl

LOL - ends thread right there I think

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO

never.

no

don't fold

never fold

On January 08 2009 05:57 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: thats poker.

I'm going to say yes, you can fold.
On flop he shows the biggest two signs of aggression that he can show...
#1 min-raise
#2 a 4-bet shove
He makes it obv he has a set, and you have the bottom set. It's the hardest fold you'll have to make on the flop, but he's telling you what he has, and you know it beats you.
Very tough laydown, but i would make it.


*edit*
just went back and saw that i was right - he had trips.

with the line he takes he could just as easily have AK so we cannot fold this.

On January 08 2009 06:21 Critterer wrote: do u really 4 table playing 10/8 isnt that like insanely tedious

you multi NL10 , what do you mean? (what does 10/8 mean?)
In fact I think you put a bad beat on me last night.

On January 08 2009 11:13 mknybtlr wrote: The flat call + turn lead on hand 2 is nice, I like it because it looks like it can be a float, so since you have the nuts I prefer it to flop c/r since it's a little devious and the free card can't harm you and may help him a little but not enough. Well played both hands.

The board is totally safe no flush/open ended str8 draws. This is one of the only times I will slow play. I am usually pretty aggressive and when I just call a bet people will usually bet again or RR if I bet turn. So yea, didn't expect him to have a set too though.

you are a fish

On January 08 2009 17:52 traxamillion wrote: you are a fish

why is that?

On January 08 2009 14:40 TheTank wrote: I'm going to say yes, you can fold. On flop he shows the biggest two signs of aggression that he can show... #1 min-raise #2 a 4-bet shove He makes it obv he has a set, and you have the bottom set. It's the hardest fold you'll have to make on the flop, but he's telling you what he has, and you know it beats you. Very tough laydown, but i would make it. *edit* just went back and saw that i was right - he had trips.

you don't need to be giving advice too freely..... you never fold here.

On January 08 2009 16:15 SpoR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2009 06:21 Critterer wrote: do u really 4 table playing 10/8 isnt that like insanely tedious you multi NL10 , what do you mean? (what does 10/8 mean?) In fact I think you put a bad beat on me last night.   On January 08 2009 11:13 mknybtlr wrote: The flat call + turn lead on hand 2 is nice, I like it because it looks like it can be a float, so since you have the nuts I prefer it to flop c/r since it's a little devious and the free card can't harm you and may help him a little but not enough. Well played both hands. The board is totally safe no flush/open ended str8 draws. This is one of the only times I will slow play. I am usually pretty aggressive and when I just call a bet people will usually bet again or RR if I bet turn. So yea, didn't expect him to have a set too though.

Do you use poker tracker or HEM? He's referring to your preflop VPIP(voluntarily put money in pot) and PFR(preflop raise) percentages. Basically how many hands you are playing. 10/8 is supernitty, and if you are 4tabling while playing 10/8 that's just disgusting, you must be bored out of your mind.. That's like, 24 hands an hour..... LOL. (60 hands/hour *4 = 240 * .1 = 24hands an hour) You should probably be somewhere more along the lines of 14/12 or something. Which is pretty nitty, but you are just being crazy nitty right now dude. Start by opening up more when it is folded to you in the cut off and button, in an effort to steal the blinds. IE start by opening all suited connectors 45+ when its folded to you in the CO and BTN.

--- Nuked ---

reads, board texture, and try not to make it a standard to stack off with overpairs/TPTK-- its a huge leak at nl10-nl25 (but fine at nl5/2)(can't speak for anything higher).

Pay close attention to what people show up with when they raise the flop and get to showdown, and take a good look at the board texture. Its something I'm still learning but I have been getting flashes of brilliance lately and I haven't stacked off TPTK/overpair on the flop and been wrong without a good reason lately

How does he know my VPIP/PFR ? If he has PT3 , he only saw a small number of my hands then jetted the table. I think it's much higher because I do what you say Night2o1. Its more like 18/14

and no I'm not bored even when playing really tight because im constantly analyzing hands and writing notes on players on the hands they show. That or watching TV.

ah I figured he had sat with you a bunch and therefore collected many handz

Probably like 300 hands that's all.
his shit says 14/10 and I know hes way looser than that.
And the mother fucker went all in with me on a AQ2board and we both had AK but he ended up runner runner flush on me for 10.90$ he left the table a few hands later.

On January 09 2009 01:39 webnukem wrote: losing to a set with top pair A kicker on the flop is the worst. how do you avoid it?

against most TAGs at this lvl they won't be raising anything you beat with one pair.

On January 09 2009 04:47 SpoR wrote: Probably like 300 hands that's all. his shit says 14/10 and I know hes way looser than that. And the mother fucker went all in with me on a AQ2board and we both had AK but he ended up runner runner flush on me for 10.90$ he left the table a few hands later.

thats poker.

i dont understand why a 10nl hand with bottom set on extremely drawy board with a question " can i fold " has 2 pages ...
@ TheTank are u kidding me ? u would fold that ?

Lets put it this way:

if he can ever have AA or AK here, you can never fold.

If you think that's impossible, then we have a bigger problem.

On January 09 2009 00:29 SpoR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 08 2009 17:52 traxamillion wrote: you are a fish why is that?

you're a fish because you don't know you're a fish

I know I am a fish

That board is so extremely drawy there is NO WAY u can fold. EVER

lol u fold set? no way.

I don't get what a drawy board has to do with me calling his AI on the flop? You think he's just flat raising with str8 &/or flush draws? That usually never happens from my experience.

He's gonna either have JK, AK, JJ, or KK here. Possibly AA. So I guess that is slightly over 50/50 and is +EV but after the Raise war on the flop laying down the 6$ seems like a good move because if he thinks he has the nuts he's obviously not going to try and just RR AI off the bat, he wants to draw me in.
With AA he might just try to end the hand asap to protect his hand. He freakin min-reraised me.

don't overthink nl10, you have a set go awwwwwwwww in

On January 09 2009 04:47 SpoR wrote: Probably like 300 hands that's all. his shit says 14/10 and I know hes way looser than that. And the mother fucker went all in with me on a AQ2board and we both had AK but he ended up runner runner flush on me for 10.90$ he left the table a few hands later.

yea i've got like 350 hands on you only, but thats enough for a rough estimation really. Not that it matters, theres nothing wrong with playing tight at microstakes infact its a good strategy. i didnt mean it in a derrogatory way at all, i meant more that perhaps if you are playing tight opening up another few tables might be a good idea since you can probably increase the hands you play without losing the ability to play your best.

I play 16/12 so not really much looser.

About the hand you whine about, it was a RR pot and the money went in on the turn when i had TPTK and a flush redraw and hit, totally standard hand and you went on some mad abuse rant in chat at me. Not exactly sure how that is a "bad beat" when you have only got equity to split. Also dunno where you came up with the hit and run because i just checked my PT and the hand was played at 2:29 ET and i left the table at 3:36 ET so yes a "few" hands later.

To be honest i don't know why im bothering responding you've done nothing but come across like a total asshole, calling me a motherfucker and other random abuse after you lost a hand thats totally standard, you need to get a fucking grip mate.

die

lol "die"

yeah u can fold but u wont win money in the long run.