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I think that you need to work on your life or else you'll unfortunately become a Neilly. Still, I'd be happy to see you succeed so I vote FOR.

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GL

im against skipping meals tho =D

im already a neilly.

you've never played live if you dont think 25ptbb/100 isnt achievable in a nl200 game.

it's like one tabling nl5 on stars where you can see their emotions.

there will seriously be no players even able to beat nl10 at these tables.

I met a guy who was a nl400 grinder on UB and i'm not sure if he was good or not cause he played sick tight but i dunno.

my winrate prob is off though


i seriously think 20bb/100 is doable though

Don't you live in Springfield? Where do you play?

Dunno about trying to live off of 1/2 live. If the games are deep, you are very good/comfortable playing live, and you are willing to put in a LOT of hours a week (I'd say 30+/week, perhaps somewhere around 50 or 60), then I'd say it's possible. So you could probably live off 1/2 in Vegas, and of course there's always a bigger game there. In Eugene, for example, the biggest game that runs every day of the week is 1/3 300 cap, and most of the players are weak/tight regulars who buy in for <100bb. Sure, they suck and a strong player has a huge edge, but you just can't win nearly as much in that game as you can against loose players with deep stacks. The other thing is, the room is only open for about 50 hours a week, which makes it harder to pull really long sessions. If such a time constraint exists where you play (i.e., if it's not in a casino that's open 24/7), it will obviously be harder to put in the hours you need to.

So in short, it just really depends on what the games/cardrooms you're playing in are like, and how profitable it is for you. Also 10 BI is playing pretty thin, even for extremely easy live games - variance hits everybody sometimes, and if you're trying to live off of that it will be tough unless you have some good sessions right from the start (which is surely possible - again, variance...).

If you have a backup plan, such that IF you should go broke in a couple weeks then you can go back to work and won't be fucked, and you just want to take shot and fuck it if you go broke, then why not? If the money is really important to you and/or you don't have a strong backup plan that will keep you afloat should variance/tilt/whatever should take its toll, then I wouldn't do it.

Anway, good luck.

i also will play a bit of 3/6 fixed and some tournaments sometimes prob.

its just gonna be a shot, if it fails, so be it, back to square one.

nothing to lose, the whole world to gain.

monday-thursday nl200 games run from prob 5pm-2am
3/6 fixed runs from noon-2am

fri/sat/sun you can play any of them all day anytime.

im planning on playing 50+ hours a week at least at first to get a good idea of everything.

do NOT tip the dealer if you're playing for a living at 1/2 live.

this is well understood and common sense. it's too much of a cut into your wr.

ugh im posting so much

games run up to 5/10 no cap, but that game is about 20-30 mins further of a drive than the casino im gonna start at.

25pt/bb ? lol
I played live 2/5 and 5/10 as part time last summer at AC borgata and this is no where from being sustainable. Try playing more then 100 sessions and comeback. lol.

yeah good call nolan on not tipping (or tipping very lightly). also i would avoid 3/6 like the plague, and i would be at that cardroom every minute it had a NL game running

It's definatly possible, live games under 5/10 are so fucking easy it's beyond sick.
I remember 1 session I played at 200NL. Swear to god I raised EVERY hand for 27 hands straight and won 22 of them post or pre-flop. (On a side note on hand 21 I picked up AA early pos and got no action. LOL, won the blinds only) 25bb/110ptb might be just a little big over a very large sample size. 18-21 is a little more realistic in my opinion. And it lowers in probable fractions the higher the stake. (2-5 is just as if not easier than 200NL in my area, and 5-5 you start to see some decent regulars)
When eating at the casino get comps...
the umpire device to keep track of your stats is completely useless. Knowing your own VPIP in a live game has no value. Adjust to the table accordingly, and after a while you will just be able to feel a players VPIP, PFR, AG tendencies. The hands played and all that jazz? It's not important enough to calculate.

Here's my formula for note taking when I get home from a session at the casino.

MONTH / YEAR

Starting Bankroll: - $xxxxx.00 <--- bankroll at the start of the month
Updated Bankroll: - $xxxxx.00 <---- current live bankroll
Total Rake paid: - $xxxx.00 <---- hours X $/rake added up for the month
Money spent: - $xxxx.00 <---- all money spent during the month

Date: Game Played: Hours: Deviation:
Monday, Dec 16th 2-5 NL Fallsview Casino 9hrs +1240.00

Its important to keep your live bankroll seperate from anything else. Work/online whatever

To calculate rake it's about $4/hr at 1-2 $6/hr at 2-5 $8/hr at 5-5 multiply that by your hours obv

its also important to total the money you spend in a montht to better motivate yourself and manage your money better. Buy a pack of gum that day? Write it down. Got gas that day? Write it down.... bought a beer? write all that shit down when you come home. Just keep adding it into the money spent category.
Also don't tip at such low stakes, if you are tipping at 1-2? a buck minimum you are going to destroy your profits. You are tipping a SB ffs. Look at high stakes poker.... they dont tip $300 a SB... they dont tip an ante $100... they fucking tip nickels $10-$20 which is usually between a 60th or 30th of a Big blind? Get the picture?

Also when playing live it is 100x more important to have a stop loss ratio. Only bring with you what you are willing to lose, seriously. A casino is a bad place to be when on monkey tilt. Never, EVER, leave a game because you are winning too much. That's absurd at a live game, if you have a good table/seat/image sometimes the money is just given to you. Also try not to make it obvious you are a fucking grinder. Hood up, I-pod on, shades on, never saying a word, un-friendly demenor and all that shit is fucking useless in a small game like 1-2. Just try and fit in the best you can, and NEVER fucking tap the glass live? seriously, just dont do it. NH SIR works.

Anyway, that was quite a rant. Hope it helped some.
take it easy

On March 12 2008 17:34 NiagaraPoker wrote: Also when playing live it is 100x more important to have a stop loss ratio. Only bring with you what you are willing to lose, seriously. A casino is a bad place to be when on monkey tilt. Never, EVER, leave a game because you are winning too much. That's absurd at a live game, if you have a good table/seat/image sometimes the money is just given to you. Also try not to make it obvious you are a fucking grinder. Hood up, I-pod on, shades on, never saying a word, un-friendly demenor and all that shit is fucking useless in a small game like 1-2. Just try and fit in the best you can, and NEVER fucking tap the glass live? seriously, just dont do it. NH SIR works.

can't agree more

but why would you wanna play 1/2nl as part time? I've personally never played 2/5 and below and you shouldn't either. If your capable of multitabling 50NL you realize that you can make much more playing 50NL online right?

GL caleb =)

i dont enjoy grinding online at all and i end up just gambling a good portion of my roll on a tournament or something.

im a very very sociable person and love playing live and can easily play 10hour sessions and still be motivated.

i hate online grinding hardcore

also, planning on taking 2.5 buyins with me every day to the casino for stop loss.

and niagra poker, im just wanting to keep stats so that I can have an idea my winrate and stuff.

i guess i could just as easily take my total profit/hours played though, so fuck that idea.

worth a try if ur keen on it and think you might enjoy it more than playing online. otherwise if the only reason is you think youre not gonna tilt so much its def just better to try and work on ur problems. i dont really understand gambling addiction but how hard can it be to just not play at times u know u shouldnt or for stakes u know u shouldnt.

id rather multigrind fullring online in the comfort of my own home than one-table 30 hands per hour in the company of some degen retards, would also save on travel costs and time wasted travelling +waiting for seats

Plus the fucking boredom when you're waiting for a hand to end. That makes me tilt 100x more than losing 3BI in 10 minutes due to bad luck on-line.

Yeah there are some serious fucking disadvantages playing live when it comes to having to share the same company for 10 other retards for hours on end, not to mention all the retards you breifly encounter (bad drivers, idiot valet, asshole security guards, moronic supervisors in the poker pit) But the games so sooooooo fucking JUICY yumyuymyuymyuymmygive me your fucking moneyyyyyy

i'll still prob grind some online too, but playing microstakes for a living is stupid

Sounds like such a huge waste of time compared to playing online

if you tilt online, whats stopping you from tilting live?

regardless, good luck.

nobody plays microstakes for a living, you play microstakes to build a roll

mm doesnt sound like a v.good idea tbh

do what u want but seriously i think its gonna be no good

gl

well being a live player before was kinda ez, had a very decent winrate. it's just hard to save up on your winnings at live though, so i was spewy in life when i won at live, buying things and eating out a lot. online it's like a little "project" you want to build and move up levels until you reach the maximum level, it's fun that way, but really lonely and depressing coz of the lack of social interaction. with live you get to meet a lot of diff people and be friends with them too. id say play online like an hour or two each day, then play live.

well hope it goes well but lol @ gas prices

you're not playing microstakes for a living... your luckboxing

you said it yourself, you've hit a rush whenever you've been in a tough spot.

you know some day that is going to end if you keep up your habits.

ive been busto more times than i can even remember.

and i totally played microstakes for a living before.

All I can say is everyone should try at least once. good luck man

On March 12 2008 17:54 Ket wrote: worth a try if ur keen on it and think you might enjoy it more than playing online. otherwise if the only reason is you think youre not gonna tilt so much its def just better to try and work on ur problems. i dont really understand gambling addiction but how hard can it be to just not play at times u know u shouldnt or for stakes u know u shouldnt. id rather multigrind fullring online in the comfort of my own home than one-table 30 hands per hour in the company of some degen retards, would also save on travel costs and time wasted travelling +waiting for seats

I was considering playing live for a week now.

I don't anymore.

Thanks ket.

and i thought i was crazy for scheming to move out in 2-4 months and pretty much live off online poker with a couple of others lol...