ever consider your position as a winning gambler? - Page 4

I honestly think you should at least look up for terms like nazi, fasci and liberalism, cause you obviously missed big part of your historical education. First - fascism has almost nothing to do with nazism. Secondly - destroying something on purpose without any logical reason like Hitler did doesn't realy seem alike with letting people make their own choices (and mistakes) and taking advantage when they are wrong.

And don't really bring evolution up - it's not an equivalent of selection.

On May 16 2007 18:23 GsOne wrote: I honestly think you should at least look up for terms like nazi, fasci and liberalism, cause you obviously missed big part of your historical education. First - fascism has almost nothing to do with nazism. Secondly - destroying something on purpose without any logical reason like Hitler did doesn't realy seem alike with letting people make their own choices (and mistakes) and taking advantage when they are wrong. And don't really bring evolution up - it's not an equivalent of selection.

I have studied european history of science and political ideas/political science and political philosophy for close to two years full time on univeristy so Im pretty comfortable with all above mentioned terms. I know for a fact both nazi and fascist ideologies where inspired by darwinism and social darwinist thinkers in perticular. Im not saying that by thinking like you one automaticly gets an urge to rid the world of jews, Im just saying that justifying something morally questionable by hiding behind a natural science theory such as darwins is dumb and borderline disgusting.

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I'm pretty sure any poker player will say thats why they play. To make money off the degens/fish.
Darwinism ftw

I've never felt bad about taking someones money, never felt bad about giving someone a bad beat.
Because if the roles were reversed I'm pretty fucking sure they wouldn't give a shit about me either.

On May 16 2007 19:04 Svenman87 wrote: I'm pretty sure any poker player will say thats why they play. To make money off the degens/fish. Darwinism ftw I've never felt bad about taking someones money, never felt bad about giving someone a bad beat. Because if the roles were reversed I'm pretty fucking sure they wouldn't give a shit about me either.

QFT

Not really, I try to care and humanize the opponents occasionally just for philosophy's sake, but I simply can't muster it heheh

Any tiny level of guilt I feel for possibly taking some hobo guys money is quickly forgotten, I don't care anywhere close to enough to give up the moneymaking opportunity

subjective morality gg

Hmmmm, Just out of interest I wonder if playing poker as a winning player would be immoral from a Kantian standpoint.

Are we treating the people we play simply as a means? If so it would be considered immoral.

When we buy something we are not treating the person we purchase it from simply as a means becouse we give them something they want in return. IE:
In poker the degenerates we play against get something they want (A rush/gamble/emotional reaction) in return for the edge (Or money effectively) that Money.
they're giving up to us.

Now, The major difference between these two things lies in the fact that in the first case the thing we are giving is both desires and of extrinsic value and in the case of poker is desired, but lacking in any extrinsic or long term value.

Does the fact that what they are receiving for their money holds no extrensic value constitute treating them solely as a means?

I think it would obviously be quite easy to attack from the point of kantian ethics based on the fact that it is not universilizable. IE: It would be impossible for everyone to do so as to be a long term winning player requires long term losing players. Thus it is not possible to universalize the action of making profit by being a winning poker player, but for the sake of discussion it might be more interesting to focus on the first point.

Discuss?.

On May 16 2007 17:46 MezmerizePLZ wrote: Honestly it seems no one has any choice in life, and I agree. Your choices are made from genetic makeup and your experiences from the time you are born, choice is just an illusion.

that is a sad, sad way to see life, then no archievement is truly yours, nothing in life comes from your effort.



You dont win shit, nor acomplish anything in your life, and you are just experiencing what you were suppoused to... and then eventually you die.




If you truly believe that you would have shot yourself long time ago... but actually you dont

On May 17 2007 00:23 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2007 17:46 MezmerizePLZ wrote: Honestly it seems no one has any choice in life, and I agree. Your choices are made from genetic makeup and your experiences from the time you are born, choice is just an illusion. that is a sad, sad way to see life, then no archievement is truly yours, nothing in life comes from your effort. You dont win shit, nor acomplish anything in your life, and you are just experiencing what you were suppoused to... and then eventually you die. If you truly believe that you would have shot yourself long time ago... but actually you dont

No matter if you believe in determinism or not blow job feel as good, winning also feel good becouse of chemistry that your body produce, you can be happy just becouse you are capable of something (being lucky).

As for:
"so using that logic nothing is anybody's fault...

Hitler isnt responsable for the jew's massacre... he was just born that way..."

In court criminal says that the crime wasn't his fault becouse he was raised in environment that make him that way, so he could not act differently and is innocent. Judge said that he was raised in conservative family so he have no choice but to give him death penalty.

Hitler was bad becouse he's action were bad, just like if somebody is intelligent it is by random chance. Being bad or not is judge by your action determinism don't change that.

Only thing that it change practice is that law system (as justice system doesn't make sense) is to try prohibit crimes (re socialization), not punish criminals (sometimes that is the only way and always will be part of law system), but that is changed despite most people don't believe in determinism.

i feel like going to poland and rape ur family then set you on fire and blame it on destiny

On May 17 2007 01:20 ToTo_pol wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2007 00:23 Baal wrote:   On May 16 2007 17:46 MezmerizePLZ wrote: Honestly it seems no one has any choice in life, and I agree. Your choices are made from genetic makeup and your experiences from the time you are born, choice is just an illusion. that is a sad, sad way to see life, then no archievement is truly yours, nothing in life comes from your effort. You dont win shit, nor acomplish anything in your life, and you are just experiencing what you were suppoused to... and then eventually you die. If you truly believe that you would have shot yourself long time ago... but actually you dont No matter if you believe in determinism or not blow job feel as good, winning also feel good becouse of chemistry that your body produce, you can be happy just becouse you are capable of something (being lucky). As for: "so using that logic nothing is anybody's fault... Hitler isnt responsable for the jew's massacre... he was just born that way..." In court criminal says that the crime wasn't his fault becouse he was raised in environment that make him that way, so he could not act differently and is innocent. Judge said that he was raised in conservative family so he have no choice but to give him death penalty. Hitler was bad becouse he's action were bad, just like if somebody is intelligent it is by random chance. Being bad or not is judge by your action determinism don't change that. Only thing that it change practice is that law system (as justice system doesn't make sense) is to try prohibit crimes (re socialization), not punish criminals (sometimes that is the only way and always will be part of law system), but that is changed despite most people don't believe in determinism.

I'm fairly certain you can't have it programmed into your brain to hate jews when your a fetus. I could be wrong though.

i used to care

not anymore

lol

On March 27 2010 14:54 Rekrul wrote: i used to kinda care not anymore lol

On May 15 2007 17:30 SakiSaki wrote: If i dont take their money, someone else will. The degens are adults capable of making on decisions/seeking help etc. Maybe this argument isnt morally flawless but it atleast helps me sleep at night.

i played HU somes month ago on nl1k...guy had to deposit using his saving bank account...he had none at the end
and i could not care less

wtf is the sick bump from stroggos

i wonder if people who run liquor stores share this moral debate.

If you don't take his money, then you can't pay rent.

A toll is a toll and a roll is a roll. And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls.