Looks or Game Part II

I was curious so I looked up books on dating and getting a girlfriend and they all looked like trash.

I'm not even obese anymore which is good. I carry some emotional baggage but I think I need to just dive in somehow although I will procrastinate in anyway possible.

I realize Looks or Game was kind of at the expense of Floofy. He sort of ended up with a good match? I don't really know.

Some may say why are you asking a dead website of nerds how to find the Other / a match?

Well, if nerds on a dead website can figure out how to find someone that's whose suggestions I probably need.

what is a looks or game thread? I kinda missed that but has been mentioned plenthy of times. Can someone elaborate please

Just type Looks or game into search and click search. Enjoy.

On November 11 2022 17:15 dnagardi wrote: what is a looks or game thread? I kinda missed that but has been mentioned plenthy of times. Can someone elaborate please

it is in reference to the timeless debate or passive vs. active entertainment
"looks" is like watching TV or youtube videos, reading, kind of mindless sitting there absorbing, whereas "game" is like poker when you are an active participant trying to overcome and win something

lot of people spend all their energy at their jobs and so on so they prefer the opposite in their leisure time, and other people need that challenge. though i'd argue most modern video games fit more into the mindless category

game, definitely game. I'm a 7 but easily pull 8's and occasionally a 9 because I can make women laugh. Having trawled through the boyfriend history of my ex's and seeing the attractive men they date, it always came down to money. "Oh him? He's a CEO..... this guy owned his own business.... Chad was a VP of..." all big time 6 figure earners with houses and nice cars, meanwhile they're with my broke ass earning barely 60k/year driving a Kia in a 1 bedroom apartment. Why? Because I can hold a conversation for 12 hours & my fuckgame is above average.

I apologize for this thread. I re-read the Looks or Game thread last night and there is no recreating that. Classic. Remarkable. Holy shit!

On November 12 2022 17:43 NewbSaibot wrote: game, definitely game. I'm a 7 but easily pull 8's and occasionally a 9 because I can make women laugh. Having trawled through the boyfriend history of my ex's and seeing the attractive men they date, it always came down to money. "Oh him? He's a CEO..... this guy owned his own business.... Chad was a VP of..." all big time 6 figure earners with houses and nice cars, meanwhile they're with my broke ass earning barely 60k/year driving a Kia in a 1 bedroom apartment. Why? Because I can hold a conversation for 12 hours & my fuckgame is above average.

$60k/year in a 1 bedroom apartment is plenty depending on the city. I made $70k in a 1 bedroom near but too far from Chicago and the potential was crazy. But, my mindset was a bit fucked and my drinking was a problem. Maybe we are similar because making women laugh and having conversation are some of my strengths too. I don't know about my fuck game anymore. I feel women appreciate men being sexy, going down on them, and not jackhammering them to death was good enough. I think a lot of guys have gotten wiser or maybe not, I don't know. Now, I make $30k/year and live with my parents. The difference is massive except somehow the stress at the job is still immense. It's a pretty shitty position in life. I figure I gotta go the sex worker route or just pick up a massive World of Warcraft habit or something.

Most people are desperately trying to stay ahead of their burnrate. Corporations are. Executives are. Middle Management are. We all are. It's exhausting. That is why when something comes around that could improve human life in the future it's a sigh of relief as well as stimulating.

I just came across this the other day. I thought it was great:

Quadratic Payments: A Primer

Modern-day psychologists understand happiness way better than Spinoza. At least Spinoza had big balls I guess.

I got the quote from a popular psychology book on attachment theory

well, wherever you got it, it's a bullshit quote.

In the words of RainKhan: "Uhhhh OK!"

Why is it bullshit?

Is there any continental philosophers you don't have a distaste for? Certainly some non-math thought has been good over 3,000 years?

Maybe the OG Socrates was right in that know one (continental philosophers especially) knows anything?

I don't really want to write a blog that entails me saying "I'm hungry" and then detailing how I went to the fridge and got some food but that seems to be how it goes.

One thing I noticed is that I thought getting my car fixed would be a relief yet then all the other things I should be doing crowd into that space. I am beginning to be convinced that having money is a subtractive benefit and not an additive thing. I look around the room. There are a lot of material misses that are collecting dust. Maybe it was worth it for a brief period of transcendence maybe it isn't. I never even figured out how to hook up my mic to my computer. Subtractive meaning there is a lot of stuff I have to worry about because of a lack of money. I think the key to money is to put it towards additive experience and subtractive worry. After paying the car bill I feel more insecure. Human beings are fragile always even though we don't like to admit it but I feel more fragile. I mean I bet some of these billionaires funding SENS and whatever don't feel as fragile. They have the same meat vessels though. Maybe not for forever. Well, apparently my bone density is decreasing which I guess is a natural thing but it is outside the normal bounds and they want me to get a bone density scan but I don't have the money. If I had money I go get the scan from the shiny new machine and not even think twice about it probably. I don't even know what to do. I can't control bone loss besides going HAM in the gym maybe and my teeth are bone and I have been avoiding going to the dentist because they want to charge me $50 for missing an appointment when I was in the ER about to be moved to the psych. ward and I have sleep apnea and they want me to get a cpap machine. Well, those things are expensive too and I've been losing weight which supposedly helps that and my liver where they want to get an ultrasound or something even fancier and it's just like my god this is too much I can't even get that many days off work and it's one giant interconnected shitstorm. Getting older is terrible. So, this is why I feel incredibly fragile and full of worry all the time and I go to work which is also terrible and just try and survive and I come back home tired, worn out, lacking energy, lacking focus, lacking will power and I get some stuff done sometimes but then others it's just procrastination like exactly what writing these absurd blogs are about. I even signed up for a consultation at effective altruism site because even if I don't believe in EFFECTIVE ALTRUISM TM maybe just maybe there could be some idea(s) in there that could get me out of this hell scape.

I'm tired but I have to stay up because I work a later shift tomorrow. I don't feel like practicing coding or reading a 30 page paper about Quadratic Funding. Those are somewhat challenging activities and I just don't have the god damn willpower, energy, focus at this point. Fuck it. I guess I'll read and go to sleep.

I find coding really interesting but also quite mentally demanding. I know people like us who are software engineers so I guess it's doable.

I have a good friend who keeps telling me that it's as easy as getting some understanding and doing a boot camp.

#1 - He had savings from poker and put all his eggs in the coding basket
#2 - Sharp guy
#3 - He still had to work some shitty jobs but did end up getting an amazing job after a year or two

Every time I talk to him he tells me I need to follow up on coding. It's hard to work hard at something shitty for 40 hours a week. Selling clothing is a rather benign thing to do. Selling clothing is a rather banal thing to do. If I really loved coding I wouldn't listen to anyone and I would just do it. Sometimes this is the case but it is certainly not always the case.

Also, what exactly did you mean by "people like us"?

Persons with mental health and substance abuse issues?

Mentally ill people

On November 17 2022 02:58 RiKD wrote: Why is it bullshit??

Love is probably not a program available in his coding therefore it's "bullshit".

God damn it. Another night I find myself alone and in minor existential dread. I coded. I played the guitar. I read and read and read. I can't sleep. Not that that is even a bad thing since I work the later shift tomorrow.

I am getting to the point in this book where I can copy everything perfectly fine. It's rather trivial to copy code and get it to run but I am starting to not understand the code I am copying. It's a pain in the damn ass.

I feel a little lost with the guitar too. I haven't been practicing as much. I got a new guitar and I am just not comfortable with it. My teacher says to brace my picking hand on the bridge but it just doesn't feel natural at all and it's fucking pissing me off.

My anxiety has been kicking in more and more lately. I panicked driving over a bridge and on the highway the other day. It spooked me now I am afraid to drive over large bridges and on the highway. My hands shake sometimes when I am ringing up customers. Feeling the pangs of panic has got to be one of the worst feelings I must endure in a reasonable day. It's awful.

And I am trying to improve my position somehow despite all of this. I turned down a promotion at work. Well, I just didn't apply even though many encouraged me to. I am sort of engaging with this non-profit 80,000 hours which holds the position that the most impact we can make is the ~80,000 most of us will have to work in a lifetime. It's related to EFFECTIVE ALTRUISM TM so I am being cautious but I am desperate. I mean there are probably 2 types of people in effective altruism: The manipulators and the naïve so I am not sure what I am hoping for here. From reading some of their stuff I think I would be interested in working on "s-risks" or basically what happens if we don't go extinct but have to suffer tremendously from day to day. Eventually, I will get a 1 on 1 consult with somebody and see what happens from there. My intention is not to manipulate anyone which means I am probably naïve. But, oh well, it is the only thing sparking ideas and hope for me right now. That and the idea of Ethereum and Quadratic Funding and Gitcoin and Uniswap, et al. The greedy thing would be to not even mention any of this until I get some bets down but there is no telling when I will get some extra capital to do so. HA! Although probably barely anyone is reading this far.

At the end of the day I look around my room and it is part graveyard of all the toys I bought with hope. There is even a box of Wood Elf Archers from probably 1996 (WTF?). It is obvious I crave connection. The toys and projects only get me so far. They get me back to writing these mother fucking blog posts. If I can't even cross a bridge or ring people up with out panicking I really don't know my way out of this situation. I am literally stranded on this island afraid to connect with people.

Sounds like a shitty way to learn to code

Let me make it easy for you re effective altruism

The thought experiment goes like this

Imagine you find out there are two houses on fire; one house has an unconscious member of your family who will perish if you don't help them. That member of your family is a regular person (i.e. not an effective altruist). The other house has a big bag of cash. Let's say $10,000 or more. You only have time to save the member or the money. What do you choose?

If you save the person, you aren't an effective altruist, and you should stop wasting your time with this ideology immediately. With $10,000 you can save the lives of at least two people in poor countries, which is the effective thing to do (2>1). The vast majority of people do not care what is the most effective thing to do, because there are many other reasons why a person does what it does, and those close to us matter more than those far away. The "soft" version of EA is to live in a way that is sort of inconsistent but simply donate a large chunk of your income to charitable causes that have been carefully selected for "Maximum EV" because you can afford it as a privileged dude - which you are certainly not. If anything you should be on the receiving end of other people's charity. Either way, this is probably not the cause you want to devote a lot of time to. It appeals to people with autistic tendencies and those who are pretty well off and who feel like "doing good" abstractly/giving themselves a good conscience for living privileged lives.

On November 17 2022 02:58 RiKD wrote: Why is it bullshit? Is there any continental philosophers you don't have a distaste for? Certainly some non-math thought has been good over 3,000 years? Maybe the OG Socrates was right in that know one (continental philosophers especially) knows anything?

"All happiness or unhappiness solely depends upon the quality of the object to which we are attached by love."

It's nothing to do with math or continental philosophers or anything. I just question things i read. It takes like 5 seconds of questioning the quote to realize it doesn't make sense.

If by objects, he means people, then happiness depends on lots of people in our lives, not just one.
Also happiness isn't dependent only on objects we are attached to by love. It's dependent on lots of things, not just people. Like for example if i get a good nights sleep, then im happier.
Or if i just ate ice cream or not. Things like that affect my/our happiness. So clearly, happiness is dependent on lots of things, not just qualities of objects.

Even the socrates quote is a logical contradiction. If he said "I know only one thing, that I know nothing.", then he's claiming to know something.

If Socrates didn't have Dunning Kreuger, he'd say something like this instead: "I don't know if I know anything or not."

Btw the dunning kreuger thing is a joke. Socrates is a genius.

"objects" means things and people. The better the quality of your sleep, the more likely it is to make you happier. (Although sleep isn't really a "thing", and it's easy to be miserable and still get 8 hours a sleep every day.)

The ice cream question is a bit more complicated. Ice cream is a junk food. It is made to be super-palatable and arouse the nervous system in a way in which it wasn't possible throughout human evolution. In this context you can say "quality" is the amount of effort/quality of ingredients that go into creating the best pleasure, but Spinoza wouldn't regard this as a necessary part of happiness, because it comes with a lot of negatives (habituation to superstimuli leads to health issues which lead to unhappiness).

The same with a video game. It can be a superstimuli that fucks up your brain and life, convincing you that every "dose" is making you happy. But a real quality video game might be a deeply creative game that has a start and an ending and which doesn't interfere with your life.

The same with the people in your life. They can interfere or they can enrich your life. Main difference is that there is a possible type of love with people that doesn't exist with things that are meant to be consumed. Low quality people can only consume/use each other as means to an end, transactionally, whereas love involves giving and self-sacrifice. The more people you have in your life that are generous and kind, the happier you are going to be if you yourself are also one of such people. There is a direct correlation between the quality of people in your life and your happiness levels and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone. Most rich and extremely lonely people would give up their fortunes and luxurious pleasures if it meant being guaranteed to meet their "soulmate" and be able to maintain a solid relationship with them.

Dunning-Kruger is an effect that is valid at the group level. It is not used to draw conclusions about individuals. And if Socrates had been studied for it it would have involved actual tests on his performance in numerous subjects, for example asking how he thought he did on a grammar test, not just his opinion about the general knowledge that he has. We have no idea how he would actually rate himself after doing a test.

On November 19 2022 16:10 CurbStomp2 wrote: Sounds like a shitty way to learn to code

Yeah. It's all I got right now. My friend completed the book and moved to San Francisco and went to one of the best boot camps in the world. That is clearly not possible for me at this point. I'm starting to look into schooling that I would actually have the time, money, energy, and motivation to complete.

On November 20 2022 00:52 Loco wrote: Let me make it easy for you re effective altruism The thought experiment goes like this Imagine you find out there are two houses on fire; one house has an unconscious member of your family who will perish if you don't help them. That member of your family is a regular person (i.e. not an effective altruist). The other house has a big bag of cash. Let's say $10,000 or more. You only have time to save the member or the money. What do you choose? If you save the person, you aren't an effective altruist, and you should stop wasting your time with this ideology immediately. With $10,000 you can save the lives of at least two people in poor countries, which is the effective thing to do (2>1). The vast majority of people do not care what is the most effective thing to do, because there are many other reasons why a person does what it does, and those close to us matter more than those far away. The "soft" version of EA is to live in a way that is sort of inconsistent but simply donate a large chunk of your income to charitable causes that have been carefully selected for "Maximum EV" because you can afford it as a privileged dude - which you are certainly not. If anything you should be on the receiving end of other people's charity. Either way, this is probably not the cause you want to devote a lot of time to. It appeals to people with autistic tendencies and those who are pretty well off and who feel like "doing good" abstractly/giving themselves a good conscience for living privileged lives.

I would save the family member easy.

Part of the allure here is the 80,000 Hours website is telling me they can help me find a job. It brings hope that I could find a better job. Even though in this moment I know finding a job just takes a lot of work and time. I certainly don't want to sort clothes for 80,000 hours. I don't want to sort clothes for 40 hours.

I know a guy who has devoted his life to "s-risks" and he is literally afraid of causing pain to his calculator when he turns it off. He argues that we shouldn't kill video game characters because they have some degree of sentience.

80000 hours is not going to help you find a career. Honestly, you're not in a good enough place mentally to be able to push yourself and focus on a career path like the ones they advocate for. It's a resource for a specific kind of highly motivated individuals, and it largely ends up being about telling people to pursue careers that have the highest income potential so that they can donate the most money to "do good in the world". It presupposes that neoliberal capitalism is a system that is worth working with, rather than something that needs to be overcome.

I get that you're desperate. Let me say it one more time. You need something that involves intimacy - something that brings you closer to people - and you are doing the absolute opposite by moving towards something that is filled with abstractions and an obsession with making more money. It's not going to bring you any relief.

Personally I also find it pretty sad that you happen to be hyperfocused on this shit amidst the shitstorm that is ongoing in Crypto with Sam Bankman-Fried losing his fortune - the guy who claimed to be amassing all of this money for "effective altruism". How effective he was!

There's really no logic at all behind the choice of saving the $10,000.

You can either choose to subscribe to the moral principle that all human beings are worth the same, or choose the principle that family/friends members are worth more, but strangers are still worth consideration. And then you can accept everyone else subscribing to that principle. If you beleive the later, then there's no good argument for saving the $10k. I say this because the ultra utilitarians/EA crowd arn't really any more logical than the rest of us, they are just subscribing to a different moral belief.

There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!!

Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad

On November 20 2022 04:27 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2022 16:10 CurbStomp2 wrote: Sounds like a shitty way to learn to code Yeah. It's all I got right now. My friend completed the book and moved to San Francisco and went to one of the best boot camps in the world. That is clearly not possible for me at this point. I'm starting to look into schooling that I would actually have the time, money, energy, and motivation to complete.

https://www.mooc.fi/en/#courses i would look at these. I don't know where you are at with programming, but the introduction to programming with java or python are probably the best free courses available anywhere right now for beginners.

On November 20 2022 06:03 Loco wrote: I know a guy who has devoted his life to "s-risks" and he is literally afraid of causing pain to his calculator when he turns it off. He argues that we shouldn't kill video game characters because they have some degree of sentience.

A weak anecdote imo. I would have to be bursting with psychosis to care that much about my calculator or video game characters. There is reason involved with reducing suffering around the world. That has been my wanted MO since even before I got sober. I am a hypocrite because I am not fully vegan and have not been fully vegan for more than 6 months at a time. It seems that most if not all non-profits are set up in a way to work with capitalism. That is the problem it's not an out. It still would probably be more desirable than sorting clothing for most of the day.

80000 hours is not going to help you find a career. Honestly, you're not in a good enough place mentally to be able to push yourself and focus on a career path like the ones they advocate for. It's a resource for a specific kind of highly motivated individuals, and it largely ends up being about telling people to pursue careers that have the highest income potential so that they can donate the most money to "do good in the world". It presupposes that neoliberal capitalism is a system that is worth working with, rather than something that needs to be overcome.

I don't disagree with anything here. Which means I'm not really in a state to get a job in "s-risks," climate, AI, etc. The site was just giving me some hopium. Maybe just maybe I can find something that will work out.

I get that you're desperate. Let me say it one more time. You need something that involves intimacy - something that brings you closer to people - and you are doing the absolute opposite by moving towards something that is filled with abstractions and an obsession with making more money. It's not going to bring you any relief.

I talked to my therapist today to try and figure this out because at the moment I am in a state of avoidance for AA meetings in particular but also social meetups in general. I think in my particular position I have to overcome the anxiety surrounding AA meetings and go there because otherwise I have nothing cooking. I may go to AA and get frustrated again but I don't know what else to do.

Personally I also find it pretty sad that you happen to be hyperfocused on this shit amidst the shitstorm that is ongoing in Crypto with Sam Bankman-Fried losing his fortune - the guy who claimed to be amassing all of this money for "effective altruism". How effective he was!

Even in the name "effective" altruism is rather arrogant and I was arrogant for thinking I could be effective or more effective or less "effective" in a better way. But, you have to understand and I think you do understand that 80,000 hours of what I am currently doing feels so incredibly banal that surely I could find something better and it's easier clicking on a website and reading articles with a promised 1 on 1 consult than to actually go on Indeed everyday and do all of the other things it takes to find a job. The effective altruism gang always seemed rather suspect to me and SBF is a glorious example of what it really is but I wanted to see if that is really what it truly is. Surely, there have to be some humble unsung heroes that are just using sound reasoning to help people.

On November 20 2022 11:31 ggplz wrote: There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!! Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad

The solution for me is to leave the house but I can't drink so where am I going to go? Go to AA meetings and 13step the newcomer? Nah, that is terrible form and I am not smooth enough to do that. Plus, those women are sick as fuck.

There was a point in time that I was reading Kant, Sartre, Dostoevsky among others and hitting the gym heavy. I basically did that for 1 year. It worked but I was like 26. Over 10 years later (damn) I think I need a slightly different medicine. Rent is so expensive here but no one is going to take me seriously if I live with my parents in my late 30s. At least that is my fear and being honest that is probably the truth for most people. I don't know why the anxiety and panic have been swirling like they have been lately but I have to figure that out too.

what are you coding rik?

On November 22 2022 03:37 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2022 11:31 ggplz wrote: There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!! Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad The solution for me is to leave the house but I can't drink so where am I going to go? Go to AA meetings and 13step the newcomer? Nah, that is terrible form and I am not smooth enough to do that. Plus, those women are sick as fuck. There was a point in time that I was reading Kant, Sartre, Dostoevsky among others and hitting the gym heavy. I basically did that for 1 year. It worked but I was like 26. Over 10 years later (damn) I think I need a slightly different medicine. Rent is so expensive here but no one is going to take me seriously if I live with my parents in my late 30s. At least that is my fear and being honest that is probably the truth for most people. I don't know why the anxiety and panic have been swirling like they have been lately but I have to figure that out too.

Don't fish in bad ponds, no point chasing people in AA meetings. Stay away from rats too. Honestly the #1 thing you need right now is to build up your personal power and worth, girls are not that important and you can always meet one in the future. 80% of the girls want 20% of the guys, as they say. Build your "durable competitive advantage", then once u have that girls will throw themself at u, u really don't have to do shit but say no. At 30, as a man, you're not gonna want to meet a girl your own age because many of them are crazy for babies immediately or demand you make $400k a year. But guess what? You can meet a girl 25-28 with a few years to prove herself even when you're 40 if you start building your "empire". Work hard and save your money and in the future it will give you options, fuck paying rent for now. Maybe you don't know what you'll do with it for now, but in the future you will get an idea or figure something out be it real estate once the market dips hard and you see a property to improve on or investment in your own small business or just putting some money away as stock. If I was u, I would look at duplex/triplex/quadplex apartments in your area, see what it would cost to get a deposit. Show 2 years of tax returns & you qualify for FHA loan 3% down payment, try to get a 4plex and rent 3 rooms live in one yourself. Congrats, your rent is now 0. From there, just build and build... years down the line u will hopefully have a few things going even if u are just working at a lower income job and don't see a way to make more money over the coming years

PS dont get a girl pregnant, they bleed your ass in america

On November 22 2022 10:21 Raidern wrote: what are you coding rik?

I'm working through the book Python 3 The Hard Way by Zed A. Shaw. I'm looking for other avenues to learn though. There is a local boot camp that I could afford. Whether it is worth the money is another story.

On November 22 2022 15:36 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2022 03:37 RiKD wrote:   On November 20 2022 11:31 ggplz wrote: There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!! Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad The solution for me is to leave the house but I can't drink so where am I going to go? Go to AA meetings and 13step the newcomer? Nah, that is terrible form and I am not smooth enough to do that. Plus, those women are sick as fuck. There was a point in time that I was reading Kant, Sartre, Dostoevsky among others and hitting the gym heavy. I basically did that for 1 year. It worked but I was like 26. Over 10 years later (damn) I think I need a slightly different medicine. Rent is so expensive here but no one is going to take me seriously if I live with my parents in my late 30s. At least that is my fear and being honest that is probably the truth for most people. I don't know why the anxiety and panic have been swirling like they have been lately but I have to figure that out too. Don't fish in bad ponds, no point chasing people in AA meetings. Stay away from rats too. Honestly the #1 thing you need right now is to build up your personal power and worth, girls are not that important and you can always meet one in the future. 80% of the girls want 20% of the guys, as they say. Build your "durable competitive advantage", then once u have that girls will throw themself at u, u really don't have to do shit but say no. At 30, as a man, you're not gonna want to meet a girl your own age because many of them are crazy for babies immediately or demand you make $400k a year. But guess what? You can meet a girl 25-28 with a few years to prove herself even when you're 40 if you start building your "empire". Work hard and save your money and in the future it will give you options, fuck paying rent for now. Maybe you don't know what you'll do with it for now, but in the future you will get an idea or figure something out be it real estate once the market dips hard and you see a property to improve on or investment in your own small business or just putting some money away as stock. If I was u, I would look at duplex/triplex/quadplex apartments in your area, see what it would cost to get a deposit. Show 2 years of tax returns & you qualify for FHA loan 3% down payment, try to get a 4plex and rent 3 rooms live in one yourself. Congrats, your rent is now 0. From there, just build and build... years down the line u will hopefully have a few things going even if u are just working at a lower income job and don't see a way to make more money over the coming years PS dont get a girl pregnant, they bleed your ass in america

Build my "empire" lol. My tax return for 2021 was $0. Real estate is fine for a number of reasons but I believe in crypto more.

# Ella Knox is my new "girlfriend" but the relationship lacks any form of intimacy.

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On November 23 2022 03:24 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2022 15:36 ggplz wrote:   On November 22 2022 03:37 RiKD wrote:   On November 20 2022 11:31 ggplz wrote: There's nothing more altruistic than scamming people to donate to the democrats for climate change! Shit, half the world got their calculators out this summer and noticed it got HOT, climate change is clearly man made damn it!! Fkin putin!! Looks or game? A question as old as time itself. If you've got looks, girls will make your job easy, but if you've got game you can def find a girl out of your league. Combine the two? Maybe the omegamind answer we've been looking for the last 10 years is actually to combine the two, work on game and hit the gym. Become gigachad The solution for me is to leave the house but I can't drink so where am I going to go? Go to AA meetings and 13step the newcomer? Nah, that is terrible form and I am not smooth enough to do that. Plus, those women are sick as fuck. There was a point in time that I was reading Kant, Sartre, Dostoevsky among others and hitting the gym heavy. I basically did that for 1 year. It worked but I was like 26. Over 10 years later (damn) I think I need a slightly different medicine. Rent is so expensive here but no one is going to take me seriously if I live with my parents in my late 30s. At least that is my fear and being honest that is probably the truth for most people. I don't know why the anxiety and panic have been swirling like they have been lately but I have to figure that out too. Don't fish in bad ponds, no point chasing people in AA meetings. Stay away from rats too. Honestly the #1 thing you need right now is to build up your personal power and worth, girls are not that important and you can always meet one in the future. 80% of the girls want 20% of the guys, as they say. Build your "durable competitive advantage", then once u have that girls will throw themself at u, u really don't have to do shit but say no. At 30, as a man, you're not gonna want to meet a girl your own age because many of them are crazy for babies immediately or demand you make $400k a year. But guess what? You can meet a girl 25-28 with a few years to prove herself even when you're 40 if you start building your "empire". Work hard and save your money and in the future it will give you options, fuck paying rent for now. Maybe you don't know what you'll do with it for now, but in the future you will get an idea or figure something out be it real estate once the market dips hard and you see a property to improve on or investment in your own small business or just putting some money away as stock. If I was u, I would look at duplex/triplex/quadplex apartments in your area, see what it would cost to get a deposit. Show 2 years of tax returns & you qualify for FHA loan 3% down payment, try to get a 4plex and rent 3 rooms live in one yourself. Congrats, your rent is now 0. From there, just build and build... years down the line u will hopefully have a few things going even if u are just working at a lower income job and don't see a way to make more money over the coming years PS dont get a girl pregnant, they bleed your ass in america Build my "empire" lol. My tax return for 2021 was $0. Real estate is fine for a number of reasons but I believe in crypto more.

In the US if you're broke you are the most fucked of anywhere in the entire planet, keep building tax returns and get qualified. Thought your job was going well. Fuck it, get a real estate license too. Crypto is nonsense mate. Is crypto going to pay your rent every month? I just showed you how to take the single largest expense in your life and turn it into a net positive / asset builder (your mortgage/equity) you can use to expand and buy/rent out more properties in the future. Are you going to launch rockets to mars or something? If not this is a great way to develop yourself.

The job is going as well as a job like that can go. I was encouraged to apply for a promotion but decided the position was a bit fucked so said no. I literally sort clothes all day. It's not a great way to spend 8 hours in a day. Now, it's not as bad as making pizzas after Amazon hollows out the work force to stupid levels or the valet job that was probably worse than that. I believe that crypto will get me better returns on my money than real estate. I am not averse to real estate especially if it is a place to live. It is also a store of value but I can live there. Amassing some real estate empire I don't think so. I don't like landlords. I can only imagine the hassle.

You should just put all your income to sp500. forget these unrealistic crypto gains. how much you spend anyway if you live with your parents and don't drink?
I want to hustle money while in disability and invest it and retire in thailand when I'm 55 or something.

I don't spend a lot but have a habit of accumulating stuff some more useful than others. I just had a catalytic converter and o2 sensor replaced which was a lot. There was also doctor bills, car insurance bill, yadda yadda yadda that chunked away a good portion of my free cash. I have a good microphone that I have never used, an audio interface that I never got to work, 2 effects pedals that I scarcely use. I did get a laptop that works and a 30'' monitor that I love.

How much is disability/month in Finland?

I'm not sure what it is in the USA. I would be trapped in disability but I'm trapped working. Seems like a dilemma to me.

I get around 1300 a month. 2500 is probably the average net monthly salary in Finland.

That is not a lot even if healthcare is covered and you don't drive. Difficult to bring dime breezies back to the domicile with out dinero. Which segues into the title of this thread Looks or Game. Sometimes I get horny at work. I'm surrounded by beautiful women all day and I am stuck there working. I will say having a positive interaction with any number of these woman does brighten my day just a little bit. I think it was Barry Greenstein in Ace On The River who mentioned sexual frustration is a math problem that includes the number of women that you are around that you are attracted to versus how many of them are you having sexual relations with. He was explaining most stops on the poker tour can be rough in terms of this math problem and advocated fuck buddies around the globe. I know Loco is all about advocating for intimacy and connection but there is a horny problem too. Ideally, it is inter-related but my point being another problem besides the intimacy problem is the libido problem. Yes, it is like a mosquito. Kurt Cobain and Mathiu Ricard have both mentioned that point. I can just let it pass and breathe or any number of things. It's actually a minor problem. I can just jerk off too. Intimacy/connection is the much larger problem. Because there is no way to fill that hole except with intimacy/connection. Believe me I've tried to fill holes my whole life. Filling vagina doesn't even fill the hole in my soul.

I was thinking what would I wear on a date these days. I think I would wear a black shirt with a black zip-up hoody, black jeans, and black Chelsea boots. Although the Chelsea boots feel too upscale for the rest of the outfit. Maybe my New Balance whatever version they are. I feel like that is the dopest outfit I have. Doper than suit and tie. Doper than The El Chapo shirt. Just wear it every day or at least to every date. Boom. Wardrobe taken care of.

Where to take her. I actually think lostaccount had the right idea and we could get some bubble tea or just tea/coffee in general. BOOM. I only have to think of one wardrobe and 1 date until I get a second date anyways. I'm already wearing the same outfit to the 2nd date so it doesn't matter. But, maybe plan ahead for the 2nd date. Standard is to take her to some sushi place or nice Italian/French restaurant or something like that but I'd rather go to the hole in the wall Thai place I love. That is risky because a lot of women don't like Thai or at least it could be a problem. Oh well, I guess we'll go with the flow. If she mentions something on the first date we can just do that if it is not too expensive.

I'm trying to find the antidote. Intimacy/connection is hard. I'm thinking I can just keep a gram at the house at all times because then I can get lifted by myself or it's a reason for a lady friend to come over and come over and over and over.

I could use a haircut. It's been far too long. Part of me is trying to grow it out again but it's rough going at the moment.

I'm listening to Sevdaliza at the moment. Making me want to roll a gram in a fat joint and inhale - exhale for a while. That's REAL meditation. Maybe after all these years it is the only thing that works.

https://cepr.net/sam-bankman-frieds-truly-effective-philanthropy-teaching/. If Sam gets sent to jail, which he should, I don't see why Bill Gates shouldn't either.

On November 27 2022 11:09 Stroggoz wrote: https://cepr.net/sam-bankman-frieds-truly-effective-philanthropy-teaching/. If Sam gets sent to jail, which he should, I don't see why Bill Gates shouldn't either.

Why do normies want to love Bill Gates?

My mom and sister in law could not sing higher praises. Bill Gates PR ist gut.

I don't even know the full extent of it. I know part of his fund is stocks in like McDonalds. It is like JP Morgan Chase having I think $800ish million in the oil industry so they quell studies about climate change. Skin in the game and it's in oil. You can't go around throwing money into stocks like McDonalds and airlines and then say you are this great climate change warrior. There is also the seed issue in less developed countries. There is also the blocking out the sun with dust. It's like does he even consult scientists in the fields that he is trying to effect?

Like, you can't just buy 500,000 shares in Monsanto and then pledge to use Monsanto for all the African countries especially when that is probably not in their best interest. I am no expert in GMO seeds or food though.

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No need for a poll. I got a gaming desktop. Now, the question is what game(s) to get?

Is post nut clarity a real thing?

I just bought a watch. Grasping at straws here for happiness. It's a $55 Swatch. Just something to tell the time and I can use it to generate random numbers.

The bigger decision is am I going to gear up for this Coding boot camp in January?

There is a lot on my plate as always. I get a day off tomorrow but a lot of it is going to be chasing problems down. That is just true for a full time wage slave.

I have probably asked before, but do you get satisfaction from hookers or is that stuff illegal there?

On November 28 2022 05:24 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2022 11:09 Stroggoz wrote: https://cepr.net/sam-bankman-frieds-truly-effective-philanthropy-teaching/. If Sam gets sent to jail, which he should, I don't see why Bill Gates shouldn't either. Why do normies want to love Bill Gates? My mom and sister in law could not sing higher praises. Bill Gates PR ist gut. I don't even know the full extent of it. I know part of his fund is stocks in like McDonalds. It is like JP Morgan Chase having I think $800ish million in the oil industry so they quell studies about climate change. Skin in the game and it's in oil. You can't go around throwing money into stocks like McDonalds and airlines and then say you are this great climate change warrior. There is also the seed issue in less developed countries. There is also the blocking out the sun with dust. It's like does he even consult scientists in the fields that he is trying to effect? Like, you can't just buy 500,000 shares in Monsanto and then pledge to use Monsanto for all the African countries especially when that is probably not in their best interest. I am no expert in GMO seeds or food though.

He's basically cultivated an image of being a harmless nerd who likes compooters. Plus the whole foundation thing. People don't see the net contributions. If you take more than you give, so long as the focus is on the giving part, then people will think your a philanthropist rather than a theif.

Gates had a pretty bad public image when I was a kid. When you look at what he did, he slowed down innovation in the tech industry by shutting out competition, and he ripped off your average person for a few hundred $$. Idk how bad it is with SBF, but at least crypto ponzi's appear to be fairly self contained. They mostly effect people in the game. But yeah SBF was living a life of extreme luxury. Pretty laughable to say he's into Effective Altruism. Nothing is suprising about the scandal at all as well. I think many of us have reached this level of cynacism as a society.

On November 28 2022 05:38 CurbStomp2 wrote: I have probably asked before, but do you get satisfaction from hookers or is that stuff illegal there?

I've never been with a sex worker in USA. In Argentina I was young and drunk and it was something to do if I struck out at the bars/clubs. Sex work is federally legal in Argentina and legal in Buenos Aires. I mean there is the hang up that they are typically not into you but drunk enough it was fun and some semblance of satisfaction. If sex work were legal in the USA I would probably partake. I am a lonely boy searching for something in all the wrong places. Weed and Warcraft is not going to make me whole yet I idolize it like it will.

On November 28 2022 05:38 CurbStomp2 wrote: I have probably asked before, but do you get satisfaction from hookers or is that stuff illegal there?

Do you ask them to fuck you in the ass with a strap-on? Serious question. I have been dating an escort for the last two months and she told me yesterday this is what she does to guys when they say they want to give her pleasure. Or she'll say she wants to piss on them. LOL. It surprised me because she's very submissive with me and girls but I'm the only guy she apparently "switches" with.

What's most satisfying to you? Personally, I don't understand the guys who see escorts regularly. Especially the same girl multiple times. For me it was just frustrating to have to use a rubber and be so limited by what she offered as a regular safe GFE. Not using a rubber obviously isn't an option either. The kind of woman who offers this "service" to random people is trashy and it's never worth risking it with her unless she's a porn star who's constantly tested - but I doubt you have the funds for that.

As I see it it's not worth it as a "hobby". You pay lots of money to have lightly pleasurable sex where you can barely feel something and you can't jizz in her mouth or it's super risky sex that isn't worth it. What's so satisfying about that? I've never been interested in sex that lacks intimacy and I only get turned on knowing that I have all of the options available, and this requires trust.

The only reason I went to see this one girl (this was my first time fucking a sex worker) is because I liked her personality and looks based on what I saw of her online and I wanted to win her over and go out with her in real life. I feel sad for the people who are like you and who will consistently pay several hundreds of dollars for an hour or two with someone just to have maybe 10% of the pleasure I get for free every day (yes this is a brag, and you deserve it for telling me I couldn't sleep with someone attractive, fuck you )

I don't know about anyone else but I genuinely feel freudenfreude for the relationship Loco has going on over there.

That's some Looks or Game 2.0 shit.

If you want some Looks or Game shit I'll indulge. I lived with her at her place this whole last week while she was on vacation. At some point she went cat sitting for a few days and I stayed at her place alone. Imagine being trusted by someone that much who has so much to lose (she isn't out as an escort in her life). She has a stash of cash and a bunch of things. I have the keys to her place and can come and go as I please. It's sick.

Yesterday we went to a Japanese ramen bar. It was delicious. She paid for her meal (I tend to pay more often but she wants things to be equal as much as possible, no sugar daddy bs). I fucked her on her period later and I came inside. It was her first time doing that believe it or not since she's not on birth control (only does condom stuff with others). Was super special to me to know that.

She gave me a blowjob later, came in her mouth, she swallowed as usual. 2 mins after I came as I was preparing to put my boxers back on, I still had some cum coming out as usual, but instead of letting me clean it up when she saw it she took care of it with her mouth again. We watched Pumping Iron on the Criterion channel and lol'd. Bit later we ordered vegan pizzas and watched The Face of Another. We've been watching lots of Asian cinema lately which is cool because I tend to neglect it when I'm on my own.

And yeah this is the biggest win of my life, the girl is something special. I imagine winning a big poker tournament or the lottery feels a little like this. My confidence is through the roof lately. I even met another girl recently who's into me (cute 26yo from France) and I have permission to do whatever I want but I'm not sure I'll use it yet because I don't want to take a risk to fuck things up in case I start having feelings for another girl (still don't want to invest in poly stuff). Not bad for an ex long-term neet eh. Thanks for the love, if you want more stories I might share them <3

On November 28 2022 21:30 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2022 05:38 CurbStomp2 wrote: I have probably asked before, but do you get satisfaction from hookers or is that stuff illegal there? Do you ask them to fuck you in the ass with a strap-on? Serious question. I have been dating an escort for the last two months and she told me yesterday this is what she does to guys when they say they want to give her pleasure. Or she'll say she wants to piss on them. LOL. It surprised me because she's very submissive with me and girls but I'm the only guy she apparently "switches" with. What's most satisfying to you? Personally, I don't understand the guys who see escorts regularly. Especially the same girl multiple times. For me it was just frustrating to have to use a rubber and be so limited by what she offered as a regular safe GFE. Not using a rubber obviously isn't an option either. The kind of woman who offers this "service" to random people is trashy and it's never worth risking it with her unless she's a porn star who's constantly tested - but I doubt you have the funds for that. As I see it it's not worth it as a "hobby". You pay lots of money to have lightly pleasurable sex where you can barely feel something and you can't jizz in her mouth or it's super risky sex that isn't worth it. What's so satisfying about that? I've never been interested in sex that lacks intimacy and I only get turned on knowing that I have all of the options available, and this requires trust. The only reason I went to see this one girl (this was my first time fucking a sex worker) is because I liked her personality and looks based on what I saw of her online and I wanted to win her over and go out with her in real life. I feel sad for the people who are like you and who will consistently pay several hundreds of dollars for an hour or two with someone just to have maybe 10% of the pleasure I get for free every day (yes this is a brag, and you deserve it for telling me I couldn't sleep with someone attractive, fuck you )

I'm not into kinky stuff personally. I'm just vanilla sex guy, but once a hooker started to eat my ass in Thailand and I for sure didn't ask her to do that. I can't afford to do this often so I usually go when I feel like I'm gonna explode.

On November 29 2022 04:05 Loco wrote: If you want some Looks or Game shit I'll indulge. I lived with her at her place this whole last week while she was on vacation. At some point she went cat sitting for a few days and I stayed at her place alone. Imagine being trusted by someone that much who has so much to lose (she isn't out as an escort in her life). She has a stash of cash and a bunch of things. I have the keys to her place and can come and go as I please. It's sick. Yesterday we went to a Japanese ramen bar. It was delicious. She paid for her meal (I tend to pay more often but she wants things to be equal as much as possible, no sugar daddy bs). I fucked her on her period later and I came inside. It was her first time doing that believe it or not since she's not on birth control (only does condom stuff with others). Was super special to me to know that. She gave me a blowjob later, came in her mouth, she swallowed as usual. 2 mins after I came as I was preparing to put my boxers back on, I still had some cum coming out as usual, but instead of letting me clean it up when she saw it she took care of it with her mouth again. We watched Pumping Iron on the Criterion channel and lol'd. Bit later we ordered vegan pizzas and watched The Face of Another. We've been watching lots of Asian cinema lately which is cool because I tend to neglect it when I'm on my own. And yeah this is the biggest win of my life, the girl is something special. I imagine winning a big poker tournament or the lottery feels a little like this. My confidence is through the roof lately. I even met another girl recently who's into me (cute 26yo from France) and I have permission to do whatever I want but I'm not sure I'll use it yet because I don't want to take a risk to fuck things up in case I start having feelings for another girl (still don't want to invest in poly stuff). Not bad for an ex long-term neet eh. Thanks for the love, if you want more stories I might share them <3

I'm also not sure if you are joking, but you feel comfortable raw dogging her when she seems a bit... carefree?

She's not carefree. She had very strict boundaries with me as a client and I have read reviews from other clients of hers before I started dated her. She's always using protection. She's a professional, she's cleaner than the average girl you'd find on a dating site. The high end escorts with astronomical rates are the ones who don't always use protection. Higher risk, higher reward.

If you're asking this because of the apartment stuff, we're basically best friends now, she correctly identified she could trust me, it's not something she's done with others before. If I was a psycho who wanted money and stuff from her I could have technically blackmailed her as soon as she gave me her name/address after the 2nd meeting.

Congratulations on getting blowjobs and not being perceived as a psycho, that is one tall mountain.

Hey, at least I'm not hurting anyone. It's not like I'm having kids in 2022 in a world where they have no future.

I also can't imagine having climbed great mountains and still coming on the internet to make bitter undermining comments towards someone who's happy. Perhaps your life isn't as fulfilling as you try to make it look.

It's just weird to see this from you is all. Maybe that's how you feel about my comment too I guess. I just thought you used to come off as basically an intellectual but now you're bragging to a semi-nazi with mental problems about how great your sex life is. It's cool that your sex life is great, I'm just surprised to see you brag about it.

I'm moderately afraid of heights so even though I hike-climb a few mountains every summer they're never all that tall or spiky.

It's a directed brag towards him because he said out of the blue a few months back something like "Loco couldn't score anything other than an ugly dog". It's also the best way to piss off hiems (who's 100% still browsing RiKD's blog) because his greatest wish in life is to not have to pay for sex, and he's addicted to escorts.

I'm focusing on the sex in the brag because it's what they can relate to. The truth is, sex like this is nothing new in my life, and what I'm most proud of is being in an actual healthy relationship with her. And if you know anything about sex work, and the predominating view of the women who do it, they consider it impossible or extremely extremely unlikely that a client will become their boyfriend, and they strongly discourage clients from believing that it is possible. It's also in large part my intellectualism and empathy that has allowed me to set myself apart, two of the values that they (and the other right-wingers on here) have consistently trashed me for, so there's that. I actually love this girl and we have a ton in common, the sex is more of a bonus to me, it's not my main source of satisfaction. Being trusted by someone who has a lot to lose is a very validating thing.

Lol I didn't say that. I said something like you probably couldn't score higher than that moldylocks girl (louise rosealma), who isn't even ugly, but i find her dirty in the left wing hippie kinda way. I think she is a sex worker too actually.

Ah yeah I remember now. Well I don't find her attractive. Not into hairy girls (trimmed is fine) and hippies. I think she did porn specifically. My gf has only escorted and she's very clean. She has a bit of a goth aesthetic, but the good kind (light makeup, no tattoos, only one piercing other than ears).

Loco inspired me to find intimacy. I think I made a wrong turn though I'm back on Tinder. Maybe I will have a better attitude this time. Instead of looking for dopamine and dates I will treat it as the lottery or a big MTT in finding Eros and intimacy. All I put on there is a selfie and a recent painting and then answered the questions provided. I was expecting BBW and single moms but my matches have been pretty attractive. I am so suspect of Tinder though.

I am so desperate though it's like what am I willing to do?

Going back to that AA group feels worse than taking a stab at Tinder. I don't know.

Maybe I'll try ball room dancing or something crazy like that. Ball room dancing feels better than going down to the local nerd shop to play Warhammer 40k or Dungeons and Dragons.

I gotta do something. As of Dec 25, 2022 I am getting a gaming desktop and I will be snorting in as much super-stimuli as I can handle.

One issue with Tinder is I don't want to sit here messaging with these women, I don't really want to go to an expensive restaurant, I don't even want to travel more than 20 min. to see them. I am literally afraid to cross the big bridges here. I am afraid to go on a date. I am a mess. It's easier to bury myself in gaming than to address a lot of this stuff.

you should play back4blood, it's really fun.

On December 01 2022 05:22 RiKD wrote: Loco inspired me to find intimacy. I think I made a wrong turn though I'm back on Tinder. Maybe I will have a better attitude this time. Instead of looking for dopamine and dates I will treat it as the lottery or a big MTT in finding Eros and intimacy. All I put on there is a selfie and a recent painting and then answered the questions provided. I was expecting BBW and single moms but my matches have been pretty attractive. I am so suspect of Tinder though. I am so desperate though it's like what am I willing to do? Going back to that AA group feels worse than taking a stab at Tinder. I don't know. Maybe I'll try ball room dancing or something crazy like that. Ball room dancing feels better than going down to the local nerd shop to play Warhammer 40k or Dungeons and Dragons. I gotta do something. As of Dec 25, 2022 I am getting a gaming desktop and I will be snorting in as much super-stimuli as I can handle. One issue with Tinder is I don't want to sit here messaging with these women, I don't really want to go to an expensive restaurant, I don't even want to travel more than 20 min. to see them. I am literally afraid to cross the big bridges here. I am afraid to go on a date. I am a mess. It's easier to bury myself in gaming than to address a lot of this stuff.

Aren't there any other dating sites/apps? I've been in a relationship for 15 years or something now but before that, I remember OKCupid actually being great at matching me up with girls whose personalities I meshed real well with. If you use an app where superficiality is the main thing your matches are based upon, whatever connections you make are also much more likely to be superficial.

With every failed attempt at using a dating site to meet someone comes a hit to your self-confidence. It's not something trivial to play with, especially when it's already very low. You need to build up a lot of confidence in order to have any sort of success on these apps which you clearly don't have. I'd make reasonable goals for myself before venturing into that again if I were you.

On December 01 2022 06:18 CurbStomp2 wrote: you should play back4blood, it's really fun.

I loved Left 4 Dead.

I don't see how hiring escorts will raise my confidence?

I know that they are not with me because of my confidence and status in life. You are a major outlier to be with an escort without money involved especially on the first try.

I realize I should probably take 6 months to a year off to build myself up which also includes getting some of my anxieties figured out even if that means medication.

A sex worker that actually likes you as a client is still someone liking you, and that happens commonly even if they wouldn't sleep with you for free. It can help you feel desirable, and it can just be a nice, positive experience when someone actually listens to your problems, and they don't make you feel disgusting for having them.

There's plenty of people who pay for sex and who aren't likable, and they will not be receiving the same experience. The more deprived of touch you are, the more you stand to benefit. Even if it didn't raise your confidence, at least it wouldn't lower it. You get to train intimacy with someone who knows how to help with that. What's Tinder ever done for you? It's just a negative from what I can tell; you play games, you're not even ready to meet with people. You've gone down this road before. Not that you must see them, but at least with the escort things are straight forward, there is no bullshit, and the simulation of a girlfriend experience could potentially get you ready for dating if things go well and you've also been building yourself up.

BTW, it's interesting how much of an outlier you are. You are clearly not a median client. You have been cultivating yourself for years. I was not surprised when you said you were dating an escort. There is skill in picking.

I think if I do something like OK Cupid I need to go all-in. I think you are right in that if I go all-in and fail it will hurt my confidence and then I will be relegated to a life of World of Warcraft. I don't think it is that black and white exactly. I could find a job that I am proud of. Perhaps a little bit more money. In my current position these types of things would have a dramatic impact on my life. Not if I'm going to just scroll and play vidya for the rest of my life but it is important if I am going to actually live a better life.

As ex poker pros we are all outliers. We lived on the margins of society just as they do. It's already more common ground than they'll get with anyone else. If you happen to have similar hobbies to her and you've worked on your intellect and body, you're in business. Having money helps, but it's not the game changer. Even if you played a lot of video games it's not necessarily bad if she's also a gamer like mine is (she also played WoW). Obviously I know I got lucky to find someone like that and I'm not saying you can do the same, but you can work on things that would at least make it a little bit more likely that someone would be interested in you instead of one of the million other guys out there.

I've been brainstorming how to "build myself up."

I have to get the anxiety sorted out. I don't know what it is with me but it's like panic can get me at any time. I had an awful time the other day when I was panicking driving over a big bridge and on the highway. The problem with that is there is no exposure therapy. I can't do a bunch of pushups and get over it while I'm driving high speeds in a car. I don't even fear the bridge. I've driven over it hundreds of times. I fear the panic which leads me to panic. I went on 1 date this year and was fine but then there have been times that I started to panic because a woman I was especially attracted to was going to be at my register next. I simply avoid AA meetings because of my fear of panic. I especially avoid AA meetings across big bridges.

I don't have a terrible body but I still could use losing some more fat. If I could get down to like 190 lbs. I would be in better shape. That's when it would be worth it to look into adding some muscle or I could just go back to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Strangling a man to death with your bare hands is more impressive than aesthetics although I would be more aesthetic anyways doing BJJ. Of course, someone with a hand gun could stop me in my tracks pretty quick but if I had an AK-47.......... I was a part of a group called Anti-fragile which is more self-defense and practicing with weapons as well as mixed martial arts. We are still mother fucking fragile regardless of how much we train. That's what is rattling around in my brain anyways.

I read at a decent clip. Not like when I was unemployed but I still have some books on rotation that I am getting through.

I could have a better wardrobe but I don't really want to go there. Overspending on clothes and fashion is something I do not want to do even if it is expected from a large female population. That's part of my vibe. To not wear business casual. Either that will work with some women or it won't and maybe I have to rethink this down the road.

Moving out of my parent's place is a big one but it seems so unrealistic with my current job. If a woman can't stand me wearing the same shirt 2 times in a month she's going to take issue with me living at home for sure. This is probably the one that makes me want to say fuck it and just fucking play video games all day. The segment of woman I'm after is probably fucked up ones that live with their parents too or picking the right escort. That makes me depressed. So, I can work on things or I can bury my head in the ground. I think gaming is an integral part to this because I can't always be doing stuff like reading or practicing the guitar cause I'll go mad. Body improvements happen over months. I need something to keep myself sane and I'm hoping gaming is it. If I can figure out the anxiety and stop avoiding AA meetings I can at least get intimacy through friendship. That will keep me sane and be better motivation than just gaming. There is not really motivation in gaming. I could have the illest WoW character but shit man just imagine all those hours lost. My watch is ticking on the desk. *Tick tock tick tock* I never get those hours back and what do I have to show for it? At least with the guitar I'm not a pussy. That's what my instructor told me now that I have a legit guitar. "You can't have that guitar and be a pussy." The truth is I am still knocking off rust from getting lost a bit on vacation. The truth is I am a pussy on the guitar and if I play Elden Ring all night instead of practicing the guitar I will stay a pussy.

I feel like a pussy for avoiding dates, big bridges/highways, AA, and whatever else there is but it feels a bit out of my control which I hate.

Oh well, it's probably a balance of all these things. Games can be great with out taking over ie Limbo. I'm not actively trying to get addicted to a game because I've been there and it's not great. Doing Meph runs for hours and hours and hours in a dorm room freshman year when you friends ask you to go out is not a great memory. I mean freshman year of college was like infinite amount of possibilities which doesn't feel true today. Let's say at university there are 10,000+ people hanging out looking for stuff to do and there are plenty of stuff to do. I feel like my current circumstances everything is so god damn atomized. There are AA people which I avoid and there are non-AA people which I don't see an in. Alcohol is the in. It's the great lubricant and gives people a reason to go somewhere and do something. Yeah, I could go down to the nerd store and play Warhammer 40k but then that's the group I'm in. If I don't actually give a shit about Warhammer 40k it feels silly to go down there. That's why I say I need to do something like ball room dancing. The ratios are probably great plus I get to learn how to ballroom dance. I could do Tai Chi. I gotta mix things up. It's not just black and white where I am some social superstar or in my room doing raids all night.

It's just frustrating because I've put so much work into my mental health and sobriety and yet my mental health is getting me (anxiety, panic) and I don't particularly feel that emotionally sober even though my sobriety is probably as good as it's ever been.

Lol the american need for changing clothes every day is funny to me. I basically only use 2 different sweat pants and 2 hoodies because they are comfy. Also I'm betting that if I had an office job of some kind, nobody would give a fuck what I would wear as long as I would be clean. I like to have a haircut though.

That is one advantage NEETs have over normies. Hoody and sweatpants everyday versus some business casual ethos. I liked when I was in the steel mills I just wore greens, CarbonX black turtle neck, helmet, and metatarsal steel boots like everyone else. It was kind of nice to have an egalite uniform. Then when I went into corporate'ish stuff I'd out dress everyone in business casual. It wasn't outlandish it was more like my business card was in bone. No, the company provided me business cards which were the same as everyone else. I would wear subtle nicer shoes and nicer clothing. People notice these things in a business setting though. I was headed straight for the top. Of course, my dad was the VP of Marketing and R&D at the same company...

Looking back even though I accomplished a lot in a short time which raised my confidence a lot I would always be in my dad's shadow. After crashing and burning it is hard to derive confidence from that time because the nepotism whisper is always there. But I did do certain things that were extremely difficult and things happened to me that sort of can't be taken away. The problem is everything from that time comes from a seed of nepotism.

Poker was different. Living where I wanted to live and having big winning days and being a pretty sovereign individual was empowering. I crashed and burned in poker too but the positives can't be taken away. I mean maybe being privileged enough to go to university and have a bunch of time and a credit card that I could deposit $150 and run it up. Maybe there is a seed there too. I mean I was a great age at a great time. Circumstances were just about perfect.

Now, it's like I am almost ashamed at what I do. Even though I was hired through nepotism in the steel industry it's a great industry for the most part. Iron is the most abundant mineral on the planet and steel is a serious material. Now, I'm just getting run ragged in retail. It's annoying and embarrassing. Poker is just taking money from fish but if one can handle variance well it offers quite a bit of freedom imo.

I don't know man. Sometimes I feel like I have a degree from a good school. I'm RiK Fuckin' D. That used to mean something different than it does now. I had the most profitable account in the region for a minute and I let it all go to hell and in 8 years of trying to find myself which was a lot of time being unemployed or jumping around shitty jobs. It takes some humility to work some of the jobs I worked but it all adds up to shit.

It's not about NEET vs normie it's about nordic countries vs north america. I teach in high school and I regularly wear sweat pants and hoodies to work.

On December 05 2022 10:06 Liquid`Drone wrote: It's not about NEET vs normie it's about nordic countries vs north america. I teach in high school and I regularly wear sweat pants and hoodies to work.

That's dope.

The uniform of golf shirt tucked into khakis, cheap leather belt, and cheap leather shoes has got to stop on planet Earth.

Since I am transitioning to giving up my life for video games I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions in general but also specifically I want to get my brother a game we can both play that isn't total crack cocaine level super stimuli both staying up until 4am status. He has a difficult wife and kid and job and I don't want to put pressure on him that he has to play all the time. But apart from that I am also looking for games that I can live through my avatar and escape from my dismal existence.

Looks or Game 2.0 includes picking out escorts and making them special lady friends or disappearing from the dating scene all together and leveling up on vidya. One thing it definitely also includes is sweatpants and hoodies. I really like zip up hoodies and normal hoodies and while I'm wearing kind of baggy sweatpants this second I do have an eye for a nice tapered jogger as well.

I think I'll get Elden Ring and I don't know what to play with my brother. He said Baldur's Gate 3 doesn't come out until May '23.

Wasteland 3 would be super good game if it wouldn't be fucking broken. It's really a shame that devs don't fix their games.

I bought xbox series s and got the game pass which is incredible value. Cyberpunk 2077 (not on game pass) isn't prettiest on it, but it's running 60fps, which is pretty good for a little box that costs 300.

I may get Cyberpunk 2077. We'll see but why would I get a game that is "fucking broken" (Wasteland 3)?

My friend at work suggested Deep Rock Galactic and Detroit Become Human. My brother and sister want to play Elder Scrolls Online or maybe we will play PC D2. I am itching to play something. I am thinking I am not going to be able to wait until Christmas to open my present.

Found this interesting read today

https://dutchreview.com/culture/relat...s-helping-the-disabled-find-intimacy/

Good for Holland.

I could use some sex care but instead I'm playing Elder Scrolls Online because my brother and sister said they would play but then they didn't. Not sure how I feel about the game. Elden Ring is probably better.

What other suggestions are there?

My only experience with sex workers in the USA was in Vegas when we hired some and had a Fifa tournament to decide who gets first pick. I didn't partake. On arrival they were not as advertised and one of them stole from my friend.

Fuck it. Elden Ring over sex care because I don't live in Nederland.

Elden Ring is pretty good but I don't think it's better than sex care.

Dipping my toes into League of Legends. Some say it's like trying a little bit of crack. I'm not thrilled with it so far. Seems like a dumbed down DOTA which I never even liked DOTA vs WC3:TFT. I was going to go back and play Warcraft III but Reforged is shit and I don't want to do that. If only I could go pure WC3:TFT right into my veins.

Pretty fierce.

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I slept on it and I didn't buy Reforged because it's a terrible game even though I want the WC3:TFT nostalgia. That game was pretty exhausted though to be honest. There were shining lights like Moon who always seemed to keep the Night Elf race fresh in some way but even he could only do so much. The fucking Chinese Humans while impressive I didn't really like their style of play. Just expand and tower and go steam tanks is pretty lame. Oh, I liked LawLiet too. They were taking a dead game to new levels. The last time I took that game seriously was probably 2004 yet I miss it. I think I am just craving some RTS action or FPS action to go along with games like Elder Scrolls Online, Elden Ring, and I started playing PC D2 again also. Broodwar is the best yet I have no future in that game. I am not going to play Reforged so that is out. CounterStrike: GO might be an option. I'm also thinking of pre-buying Diablo IV so I can be in the beta. D4 comes out June 2023.

Elder Scrolls Online is actually a pretty fun game when playing with friends. Not as spectacular or beautiful as Elden Ring but fun. Vvardenfell is home to lunarpunks around the world although Lord Vivec is a tool. I'm still craving the good ole days of WC3:TFT but I'm not sure if that is possible. If I had some sex care my life would kind of be complete at this point. At least for now.

Sites should have a rating system for hookers. Very positive rating and it's very unlikely they steal from you. My best experience is with this czech woman who was like 40 and had the biggest fucking mammaries I've ever seen. i paid for 30min and spent over an hour there. she offered me weed and while we smoked she said the most racist shit about arabs.

it is very common for eastern european hookers to only take white clients. in their add it's always "I'm not a racist but...". I wonder what locos girls policy is. My city is a shithole and she said she comes here because she has a big poker pro client here. I don't know who that is.

My girl clearly says on her site she doesn't discriminate based on gender, ability or race. And she doesn't. Also there are public message boards where people review independent sex workers in Canada, as well as more private spaces.

I bought a PS5 for her as an xmas gift and will probably play Demon's Souls/God of War with her in the next few weeks. She's got 100% completion in Elden Ring, fking nerd.

On December 10 2022 16:08 Loco wrote: My girl clearly says on her site she doesn't discriminate based on gender, ability or race. And she doesn't. Also there are public message boards where people review independent sex workers in Canada, as well as more private spaces. I bought a PS5 for her as an xmas gift and will probably play Demon's Souls/God of War with her in the next few weeks. She's got 100% completion in Elden Ring, fking nerd.

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This thread has turned more into gaming or gaming than looks or game. I was thinking that since besides work I have only been gaming and playing guitar there is some synergy there. I have been playing a bit of a lot. I will rank my favorite games currently.

1.) Elden Ring
2.) Diablo II Resurrected
3.) World of Warcraft
4.) Elder Scrolls Online
5.) League of Legends

I am still looking for a good RTS that is not Starcraft or WC3 but it's tough to match the magic. I could probably be perfectly happy without an RTS to be honest. Trying to get good at SC in 2022 is a lost cause and I'm really hoping to not ever purchase Reforged. I would like a good FPS though. Something I can solo and have fun and something multiplayer I can get into.

By synergy I meant that gaming and guitar requires finger dexterity.

After about 5 days of gaming I realize it will not replace connection/intimacy/love. Not that I thought it would. There is novelty to games. Nostalgia to games. A game like Elden Ring is almost breathtakingly beautiful but I went to the beach today and the vividness of the palm trees flowing in the breeze and the breeze on my face is difficult to replace. As majestic as the birds are in Elden Ring floating off into the distance the sea gulls at the beach are real, living things. Real living things that have been around for 150 million years. Well, sea gulls almost certainly were not around 150 million years ago but you get the idea.

Many songs are about some form of love. They aren't singing about their World of Warcraft character.

I'm still a bit lost in this world. I'm also lost in Elden Ring at the moment which makes me feel extra lost in the world because Elden Ring is all that I have. I'm not lost in Diablo II but how many times can I run through that game? League of Legends kind of sucks and I suck at that game. Elder Scrolls Online is passable but it's only fun if I play it with friends. My mic allegedly shows up on my doorstep tonight. Then there is World of Warcraft... Again, fun if I am playing with friends but otherwise I don't care at this point. My band-aid comes in the form of getting a new game... Instead of venturing off into the real world and being around for opportunities. Where I go for that I am uncertain. Mr. Self Destruct just came on my Spotify... That is an option too. I have been thinking about getting some gummies to heighten the gaming experience.

On December 10 2022 16:08 Loco wrote: My girl clearly says on her site she doesn't discriminate based on gender, ability or race. And she doesn't. Also there are public message boards where people review independent sex workers in Canada, as well as more private spaces. I bought a PS5 for her as an xmas gift and will probably play Demon's Souls/God of War with her in the next few weeks. She's got 100% completion in Elden Ring, fking nerd.

100% completion in Elden Ring is fucking impressive. This game is fucking difficult. You've got a good one there Loco.

I started playing Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne again... It's certainly nostalgic. I'm just not that certain it's that good of a game. My timing was off in a lot of spots. Don't know what to creep when these days. Like, in an actual battle if I have a Demon Hunter / Naga / Bears / Dryads some consumable items my micro is fine albeit a bit rusty. I was way better in game 3 than game 1 but again just timing is off and the game has passed me by it seems.

I've been playing more League of Legends too. I don't know why I do it to myself. At least I've won some games.

I really don't know what I'm doing playing either of these games. I don't know what I'm doing anymore. I mean I do know. They bring transcendence. I feel like WC3:TFT and LoL bring transcendence better than World of Warcraft. I'm just not thrilled with any games right now except Elden Ring and that game is fucking tough. It's tough enough that I procrastinate playing it at this point with pussy foot games like Elden Ring, WoW, Diablo II, WC3:TFT, and LoL. I don't know where to go and I don't know what to do. Everywhere I go I feel under-leveled. Like I can almost do it but end up not. I can kill 1 weird cat thing but not 2. I can kill 2 wolves but not 3. I can kill 4 of the monkey people but not 5. I could go on. Grace is telling me to go into the castle but it's a bunch of shielded archers and this giant ass beast that plops down. Why is this wild beast in a human castle?

Oh well, I just want to bitch for a while. I want a PS5. I was telling a co-worker today I finally got what I wanted in this computer and it's not good enough. I want a PS5. Which we looked at different games on a PS5 versus a RTX 3060. It's pretty comparable actually. The RTX 3060 appears to run some games better but Red Dead Redemption 2 for example was a little better on the PS5. RTX 3060 ti though was about 10% better than the PS5.

I'm telling you though I think I just have to get better at Elden Ring somehow. It's not like Zelda level 1 where you can just bash idiots all day. There are these slave zombie guys who are pretty pathetic but there is always some other tough thing around to fuck with me and I'm out of arrows. Fuck.

So, I'll quickly list 10 games that I think are masterpieces.

- Tetris
- Chrono Trigger
- Medal Gear Solid 2
- Mario Kart 64
- Diablo II
- Limbo
- Hollow Knight
- Donkey Kong Country
- Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
- Elden Ring

What is your 10?

Based on this 10 what is the next game I should get?

If you like rougelike's:
Hades
Slay the Spire (single player card game version)

Also:
The Last of Us
Ori and the Will of the Wisps. It's a sequel to Ori the Blind Forest, which is also excellent, but more of a platformer whereas WotW has more varied combat. Opinions differ on if you have to play the Blind Forest first. Probably yes for the story, but don't really need to to pick up the gameplay. Not sure if platformers are your jam but WotW def a masterpiece.

On December 15 2022 23:53 PoorUser wrote: If you like rougelike's: Hades Slay the Spire (single player card game version) Also: The Last of Us Ori and the Will of the Wisps. It's a sequel to Ori the Blind Forest, which is also excellent, but more of a platformer whereas WotW has more varied combat. Opinions differ on if you have to play the Blind Forest first. Probably yes for the story, but don't really need to to pick up the gameplay. Not sure if platformers are your jam but WotW def a masterpiece.

Hades looks excellent. I despise D2 on my Nintendo Switch so I am guessing I should play Hades on my PC?

I'll probably end up getting Slay the Spire on PC as well.

I can't decide if I like 3rd person games (The Last of Us) on console or PC. It's the same with Elden Ring tbh.

I DO know that I enjoy platformers on the Switch and not PC. Not sure which Ori I will play first at this point in time.

Thank you. I can stop bitching about what games to play now but I probably still will. Cyberpunk 2077 is calling my name as well as Detroit Become Human and Red Dead Redemption 2. I still want a PS5 but adding some of these should keep me busy and entertained. Bread and circus is all I need until it isn't.

yeah slay the spire is really good. i find it hard but still had fun with it. back 4 blood also has a card system.

Ye slay the spire is awesome. Hades, too.

Played Slay The Spire a bit this morning. Definitely fun. I've had hardcore Magic: The Gathering and poker addictions so this game could fit right in. Downloading Hades as I type.

Hades is the shit.

Hades was great on the switch. Can vouch for both Ori's being good on the switch as well. I play StS on computer and assume that has to be the best version of it. No real input on TLOU for systems. Played it on PS4 I think, which rocked.

There is a lot of choices for both of these games. Hard for a noob to know the +EV / implications for a lot of these choices. Fun times though. Better than looking up the S Tiers for the current Diablo 2 ladder and copying a build or watching pro gamers play to figure out builds / creep orders in Warcraft 3 / League of Legends.

I am going to stick with Elden Ring / Hades on PC mostly because that is where I have the games. I am better with a console controller at this point but will be forced to improve at qwerasdf, etc. keyboard control or keep dying.

I'll start on WotW and TLOU today too. This is awesome.

No go on The Last of Us. I don't have a PS3 or PS4 or PS5... yet. I'll keep it in mind.

No take backs in StS. Missed an easy play to win. Realized mistake right when I played the card. In Brazilian Jiu Jitsu they say there is no losing. Only winning or learning. It hurts to lose more in StS because I fancy myself as a good cardplayer. Games like Limbo and Hades it just feels more acceptable to die to learn. I should have the patterns down better in Hades by this point though.

Ori is an amazing game on first impression. Controls are fun. The world is beautiful. It has a lunarpunk aesthetic to it which I love.

I was once destitute and now I am rich. Of course, PoorUser is the man.

I'm pretty rusty at Tetris and after watching bots play I realize I was never any good to begin with. It was a part of a feature deal on the Switch. Any Switch users should check it out. I got Hades, Will of the Wisp, Celeste, and Tetris Connected for less than $50.

League of Legends, Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne, and Elder Scrolls Online got the chopping block so I could have room for Red Dead Redemption 2. Not sure about RDR2 yet. It looks good on the computer but I'm just not sure yet. Plus, I played 82 minutes and quit and I'm not even sure the game saved at any point. I started playing Celeste as well. That's a fun one. You can get it for $4.99 at the moment for the Switch. Damn good deal. RDR2 is 67% off on Steam atm too which ends up being $19.97.

I think about playing poker again too. Always thought NLHE was a great game short-handed and heads-up. There are a lot of cool variants but that has to be my favorite game even though I was relatively better at PLO back in the day. My PC is pretty decent now to run sims but that is a lot of work. I think I'm better of in gaming bliss tbh and I am doing so much gaming to find myself lonely in the down time. Bread and circus only works so well. I might make another AA comeback. Especially, since I have been considering edibles a little bit too much lately. I don't think it's a good idea but caffeine, little bit stoned, and poker / video games has always been a lot of fun for me.

I'm way better at Hades on the Switch than I am on PC. Like, substantially better. Although, part of that could be because I've already played a few hours of it on PC. But, at the end of the day I think I just have way better Switch controller control than keyboard and mouse control for games like that. The game is only $12.99 right now on the Switch. That is a steal.

It makes me wonder how I would do with a PS4 controller at Elden Ring and Red Dead Redemption 2. Well, guess what? We will find out because a co-worker of mine said he would give me a PS4 controller to hook up to my PC.

Sometimes I feel so alone yet others I am in gaming bliss. I am missing some things surely but can I blot that out with bread and circus? Tendies and vidya? Doritos Nacho Cheese, Monster Energy Drink, and The Vidya Gaem?

Time will tell. I do have urges to be social and am definitely missing human connection but for now it seems to be working decently. There is a lot of vidya to catch up with which is why I will inevitably get a PS5.

Man, LP is as dead as a doorknob. I have nothing scandalous to report. No surprises, I have just been playing a lot of video games and keeping the place tidy. My room is still a mess but the common areas are clean at least.

I have really been enjoying the video gaems I've been playing but I want a PS5. I've also considered starting poker back up again since my new computer can handle sims better. I want to play hu but rake at lower stakes is probably just stupid. Maybe I can find hu sngs that are playable. On second thought, poker is a really stupid idea. HU NLHE is such a fun game though. If I think back I was always my happiest with some caffeine, little bit marijuana, and some sort of video game / poker. I've said this before but I think it's important. It's important to be closest to my truest self. I have to be careful here because I was also at my happiest when I had way too much to drink, way too much to smoke, and the room was bordering on spinning but I would just lie in bed or be on my computer blasting like Radiohead or Bjork or whoever and being in a state of total bliss. It's actually kind of similar to when I am writing my thoughts down here and listening to Boris Brejcha. I didn't mind being so alone today either. Just lying in my bed letting contemplation lightly linger. I have enough vidya that works that I am generally ok. My therapist says I am so alone and need to make friends or at least attempt to go out or get to some AA meetings. I made note of this and maybe I will or maybe I won't.

Tomorrow my co-worker said he's getting me a PS4 controller. We will see. I am thinking of just getting a PS5 controller with blue tooth. I feel like Red Dead Redemption 2 will play a lot better on a PS5 controller. On keyboard + mouse it's convoluted although it's easy to boom headshot motherfuckers all day with the mouse. I don't know we will see. I'll probably be better at Elden Ring with a PS5 controller too. I wonder how I will charge said controller... hmmmm.... I'm sure there is an answer to that.

I wonder if the dishwasher is done yet...

Happy Holidays ya'll.

Awesome. Glad you are enjoying them. You'll have to let me know what you think of them when you finish them up.

Playing Valheim with the fam. It's pretty fun. My first house is atrocious and I mis-clicked and boarded myself into the house.