failsafe United States. Sep 05 2020 15:19. Posts 1037
On September 05 2020 13:38 devon06atX wrote:
Banned? rebel
It's really unbelievable what's happened to Team Liquid. I've played Brood War since Beta and was a WCG USA qualifier. No one gives a shit about any of that or any of the products I produce, they just ban me for being disrespectful. I'll be completely honest and say that if you can't appreciate the work I put into my map and these videos then you can fuck yourself. Which is exactly what I would tell the Mod who deleted my post and warned me. I feel like his actions were completely inappropriate, unwarranted, and disrespectful of me and the patrons of Team Liquid generally. I have no idea how anyone who watches the videos of my map, my games, and my content can instantly delete the content and warn me. It shows no regard for Starcraft or any appreciation whatsoever for someone who has played Starcraft and contributed to the community for more than 20 years. I've played (and beaten) a strong percentage of WCG USA national champions, was present at NonY's wedding, knew IncontroL, LzGamer, Machine, Tasteless, Artosis, Day[9], and many others. The fact that no one gives a shit about the content that I create and are willing to go so far as to warn me and delete my content is outrageous. Then to permanently ban me on top of that all that (for merely reposting exactly this same content) shows that my entire career as a Starcraft contributor, Blizzard contributor, and Team Liquid contributor mean absolutely nothing to the organization.
i thought this was about brood war and not that garbo sequel
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failsafe United States. Sep 06 2020 14:00. Posts 1037
On September 06 2020 12:17 whammbot wrote:
i thought this was about brood war and not that garbo sequel
There are some interesting Brood War reps at the bottom.
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Dinewbie United States. Sep 07 2020 01:26. Posts 58
I am fairly certain they will realize their mistake and unban you
Btw I am Fujikura
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TianYuan Korea (South). Sep 07 2020 13:20. Posts 6817
After looking into it, the thread you posted your map in, was not made for users to share their work. It was specifically about peoples favorite maps throughout the games competitive history.
You received a warning, and replied to that warning by saying you had reported TL to the IC3 (.... which after googling, appears to be short for the "internet crime complaint center"???). Furthermore you said 'go ahead and ban me', which for roughly as long as TL has existed has basically been instantly met by the response of "Well, okay then" followed by a ban.
It's not my favorite policy, but it's been there for a very long time. I don't post a lot on TL or LP nowadays, and I'm sure there are things that have changed (for better and for worse), but I think this particular interaction would have gone roughly the same 10-15 years ago, as it did today.
Your work would probably have been met with a much different response if posted in the correct place (such as the SC2 custom maps subsection). That metropolis one must have taken a crazy amount of work :0
Hm.. Off-suite socks..
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failsafe United States. Sep 07 2020 17:57. Posts 1037
On September 07 2020 12:20 TianYuan wrote:
After looking into it, the thread you posted your map in, was not made for users to share their work. It was specifically about peoples favorite maps throughout the games competitive history.
You received a warning, and replied to that warning by saying you had reported TL to the IC3 (.... which after googling, appears to be short for the "internet crime complaint center"???). Furthermore you said 'go ahead and ban me', which for roughly as long as TL has existed has basically been instantly met by the response of "Well, okay then" followed by a ban.
It's not my favorite policy, but it's been there for a very long time. I don't post a lot on TL or LP nowadays, and I'm sure there are things that have changed (for better and for worse), but I think this particular interaction would have gone roughly the same 10-15 years ago, as it did today.
Your work would probably have been met with a much different response if posted in the correct place (such as the SC2 custom maps subsection). That metropolis one must have taken a crazy amount of work :0
Yes, this is my second perma-ban, I am tired of Team Liquid's bullying. I have in fact reported Team Liquid to the FBI and IC3 (for alternate reasons). Incidentally i was summoned to court immediately after (also for unrelated reasons). I intend on making the court appearance.
In my opinion it's time to take legal action against Team Liquid and Nazgul. They're covering for criminal behavior in some cases, and abusing the psychological well-being of others in other cases. Since the welfare of the community doesn't seem of interest to them, and because the actions of the paid administration and moderation are sociologically inappropriate I have taken the appropriate actions myself. I have already talked to my brother about this who works for intelligence and although he doesn't think my specific case will be sufficient to damage the organization, it entirely my intent to allow an investigation of the administration and mods (specifically because they ignore criminal activity and by silencing related complaints encourage it).
I'm very sorry to take this action. As I specified before, I knew incontrol and have used these services for 2 decades. Unfortunately, it seems none of my contributions are of interest to the administration. Consequently, since I get none of the respect I deserve, I've initiated an investigation with the IC3 and wholly intend on providing them with the relevant information. Specifically I will be dealing with Seeker, Olli, and Nazgul.
Just to clarify my end of this I'm a 33-year-old man with 160+ IQ, multiple college degrees, a master's degree and a job. I really don't appreciate random intimidation tactics by masturbating kids behind their computer monitor.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Sep 07 2020 19:08. Posts 2226
but do you have a car
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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PoorUser United States. Sep 07 2020 19:14. Posts 7471
i am curious what kind of criminal behavior they are covering up? i am not very in the know these days
On September 07 2020 12:20 TianYuan wrote:
After looking into it, the thread you posted your map in, was not made for users to share their work. It was specifically about peoples favorite maps throughout the games competitive history.
You received a warning, and replied to that warning by saying you had reported TL to the IC3 (.... which after googling, appears to be short for the "internet crime complaint center"???). Furthermore you said 'go ahead and ban me', which for roughly as long as TL has existed has basically been instantly met by the response of "Well, okay then" followed by a ban.
It's not my favorite policy, but it's been there for a very long time. I don't post a lot on TL or LP nowadays, and I'm sure there are things that have changed (for better and for worse), but I think this particular interaction would have gone roughly the same 10-15 years ago, as it did today.
Your work would probably have been met with a much different response if posted in the correct place (such as the SC2 custom maps subsection). That metropolis one must have taken a crazy amount of work :0
Having read TianYuan's reply, and the consequent reply of mr failsafe, I concur that such behaviour would've definitely been met with a ban in the past, and gladly it still is in the present. On related note, mr. failsafe, I recommend a thorough meditation and consultation with your closest ones regarding your current mental welfare.
In any case, good effort on the content. I wish you well for the challenges that lie before you.
"So a few years back I got diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. I started cooking some self-treatment solutions this year. Surprisingly, thing have turned around and I'm doing alright. I'd like to move to California, Colorado, or one of the States where weed is legal, but so far haven't had the chance.
Money is kind of tight at the moment because I was part of a major doctoral program that closed (Emory University), and was unable to get my master's despite having a 4.0 (because I was unable to complete the thesis for the degree).
Ultimately I got suspended from the university where I completed my undergraduate because of problems related to schizophrenia and evicted from my apartment in Auburn, Alabama. I could never really get schizophrenia under control. I got addicted to ayahuasca and Kung Fu--and that's how I got evicted. I was screaming at night in the parking lot and kicking all the trees."
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failsafe United States. Sep 07 2020 23:39. Posts 1037
On September 07 2020 18:14 PoorUser wrote:
i am curious what kind of criminal behavior they are covering up? i am not very in the know these days
There were fraudulent actions taken regarding the loss of Reid Melton's job, and a cover-up completed by Team Liquid. The point I will make to the FBI and IC3 is that Team Liquid is psychologically victimizing users of their website, and that the administration specifically is not interested in defending the identity of people accused of committing criminal behavior. In the case of Reid Melton, malfeasance can be proven easily by an IP trace which is a common tactic of police around the United States of America.
Since it seems defamation of identity is specifically protected by Team Liquid's administration, the point I will make to the FBI is that Team Liquid administration is an accomplice to minor criminal behavior. Liquid'Nazgul (who is apparently friends with Manifesto7) is the enterprise-owner of Team Liquid and will be specifically held accountable for the decisions of his administration. I am most interested in explaining to the FBI that minor psychological assault of Team Liquid on a variety of users of their website--which as you probably are aware is the sole source of Starcraft: Remastered commerce. But, personally what I think the FBI and IC3 will be interested in is the treatment of Reid Melton and other victims of the internet mob. Initially I tried to contact the website administration about the fraudulent nature of the case they were making, but they ignored me and banned me. So it will be more enlightening for Team Liquid to hear from the FBI and IC3 about the treatment of their users and the essentially fraudulent "mob mentality" adopted by the majority of the Team Liquid staff. Since Team Liquid shows no respect for the identities of important persons (especially in this case Reid Melton), the exact nature of the malfeasance isn't disclosed here. On the contrary, I am most interested in alerting the FBI to the nature of the Team Liquid behavior generally and to see whether they agree with other psychological authorities as to abusive use of power adopted by the Team Liquid administration. Either way, I am sure not much will come of this, but Team Liquid will most certainly be on the map for the United States of America government--who will hopefully be more attentive to minor criminal activity in the future.
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failsafe United States. Sep 07 2020 23:47. Posts 1037
On September 07 2020 12:20 TianYuan wrote:
After looking into it, the thread you posted your map in, was not made for users to share their work. It was specifically about peoples favorite maps throughout the games competitive history.
You received a warning, and replied to that warning by saying you had reported TL to the IC3 (.... which after googling, appears to be short for the "internet crime complaint center"???). Furthermore you said 'go ahead and ban me', which for roughly as long as TL has existed has basically been instantly met by the response of "Well, okay then" followed by a ban.
It's not my favorite policy, but it's been there for a very long time. I don't post a lot on TL or LP nowadays, and I'm sure there are things that have changed (for better and for worse), but I think this particular interaction would have gone roughly the same 10-15 years ago, as it did today.
Your work would probably have been met with a much different response if posted in the correct place (such as the SC2 custom maps subsection). That metropolis one must have taken a crazy amount of work :0
Having read TianYuan's reply, and the consequent reply of mr failsafe, I concur that such behaviour would've definitely been met with a ban in the past, and gladly it still is in the present. On related note, mr. failsafe, I recommend a thorough meditation and consultation with your closest ones regarding your current mental welfare.
In any case, good effort on the content. I wish you well for the challenges that lie before you.
Here's a picture of me at NonY's wedding to enlighten you as to the respect this organization should have afforded me.
To be honest, I'm not sure why this particular jewel was overlooked in the first place.
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hiems United States. Sep 08 2020 00:08. Posts 2979
Hi guys,
I just want to point out again that there was no difference between RiKD's blog posts and 2primenumbers yet RiKD is protected and gets away with everything while 2primenumbers was swiftly banned. As I have mentioned earlier, RiKD should have been warned/banned a long time ago. You guys also need to take away his greenstar. Anyway in this case, some of you same guys are half-mocking a guy with actual mental health issues unlike RiKD who you coddle just because he is "popular" and friends with random ppl with influence on this site.
Why am I such a wise person?
I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]
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PuertoRican United States. Sep 08 2020 08:35. Posts 13044
On September 05 2020 13:38 devon06atX wrote:
Banned? rebel
It's really unbelievable what's happened to Team Liquid. I've played Brood War since Beta and was a WCG USA qualifier. No one gives a shit about any of that or any of the products I produce, they just ban me for being disrespectful. I'll be completely honest and say that if you can't appreciate the work I put into my map and these videos then you can fuck yourself. Which is exactly what I would tell the Mod who deleted my post and warned me. I feel like his actions were completely inappropriate, unwarranted, and disrespectful of me and the patrons of Team Liquid generally. I have no idea how anyone who watches the videos of my map, my games, and my content can instantly delete the content and warn me. It shows no regard for Starcraft or any appreciation whatsoever for someone who has played Starcraft and contributed to the community for more than 20 years. I've played (and beaten) a strong percentage of WCG USA national champions, was present at NonY's wedding, knew IncontroL, LzGamer, Machine, Tasteless, Artosis, Day[9], and many others. The fact that no one gives a shit about the content that I create and are willing to go so far as to warn me and delete my content is outrageous. Then to permanently ban me on top of that all that (for merely reposting exactly this same content) shows that my entire career as a Starcraft contributor, Blizzard contributor, and Team Liquid contributor mean absolutely nothing to the organization.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you really need to move on.
I assume you're in your mid 30s (or older) like the rest of us. 99% of the current active posters on TL have never heard of you or your accomplishments, which is expected, as all of that stuff you did was over a decade ago and people have moved on.
The part where you said: "Then to permanently ban me on top of that all that (for merely reposting exactly this same content) shows that my entire career as a Starcraft contributor, Blizzard contributor, and Team Liquid contributor mean absolutely nothing to the organization." The last part is definitely correct. You were around during the 2nd to 3rd wave of top American SC1 players, if I remember correctly -- the current people at TL don't know about you. I remember some of your accomplishments, but again, that was a long time ago.
I did many positive things for the SC1 community in America, Europe, and Korea back in the day. Do you think anyone aside from a few old dudes still playing Starcraft remember that? Nope. Nor do I care.
Don't let the actions of some random gamer get you upset, especially at your age. There are way more important/fun things you can be doing and worrying about instead of TL in 2020.
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I had to edit my post because I just saw your other post:
On September 07 2020 12:20 TianYuan wrote:
After looking into it, the thread you posted your map in, was not made for users to share their work. It was specifically about peoples favorite maps throughout the games competitive history.
You received a warning, and replied to that warning by saying you had reported TL to the IC3 (.... which after googling, appears to be short for the "internet crime complaint center"???). Furthermore you said 'go ahead and ban me', which for roughly as long as TL has existed has basically been instantly met by the response of "Well, okay then" followed by a ban.
It's not my favorite policy, but it's been there for a very long time. I don't post a lot on TL or LP nowadays, and I'm sure there are things that have changed (for better and for worse), but I think this particular interaction would have gone roughly the same 10-15 years ago, as it did today.
Your work would probably have been met with a much different response if posted in the correct place (such as the SC2 custom maps subsection). That metropolis one must have taken a crazy amount of work :0
Yes, this is my second perma-ban, I am tired of Team Liquid's bullying. I have in fact reported Team Liquid to the FBI and IC3 (for alternate reasons). Incidentally i was summoned to court immediately after (also for unrelated reasons). I intend on making the court appearance.
In my opinion it's time to take legal action against Team Liquid and Nazgul. They're covering for criminal behavior in some cases, and abusing the psychological well-being of others in other cases. Since the welfare of the community doesn't seem of interest to them, and because the actions of the paid administration and moderation are sociologically inappropriate I have taken the appropriate actions myself. I have already talked to my brother about this who works for intelligence and although he doesn't think my specific case will be sufficient to damage the organization, it entirely my intent to allow an investigation of the administration and mods (specifically because they ignore criminal activity and by silencing related complaints encourage it).
I'm very sorry to take this action. As I specified before, I knew incontrol and have used these services for 2 decades. Unfortunately, it seems none of my contributions are of interest to the administration. Consequently, since I get none of the respect I deserve, I've initiated an investigation with the IC3 and wholly intend on providing them with the relevant information. Specifically I will be dealing with Seeker, Olli, and Nazgul.
Just to clarify my end of this I'm a 33-year-old man with 160+ IQ, multiple college degrees, a master's degree and a job. I really don't appreciate random intimidation tactics by masturbating kids behind their computer monitor.
You, nor I, deserve any respect for what we have done in an online game 10+ years ago. It's not like we helped create Starcraft or anything.
On September 05 2020 13:38 devon06atX wrote:
Banned? rebel
It's really unbelievable what's happened to Team Liquid. I've played Brood War since Beta and was a WCG USA qualifier. No one gives a shit about any of that or any of the products I produce, they just ban me for being disrespectful. I'll be completely honest and say that if you can't appreciate the work I put into my map and these videos then you can fuck yourself. Which is exactly what I would tell the Mod who deleted my post and warned me. I feel like his actions were completely inappropriate, unwarranted, and disrespectful of me and the patrons of Team Liquid generally. I have no idea how anyone who watches the videos of my map, my games, and my content can instantly delete the content and warn me. It shows no regard for Starcraft or any appreciation whatsoever for someone who has played Starcraft and contributed to the community for more than 20 years. I've played (and beaten) a strong percentage of WCG USA national champions, was present at NonY's wedding, knew IncontroL, LzGamer, Machine, Tasteless, Artosis, Day[9], and many others. The fact that no one gives a shit about the content that I create and are willing to go so far as to warn me and delete my content is outrageous. Then to permanently ban me on top of that all that (for merely reposting exactly this same content) shows that my entire career as a Starcraft contributor, Blizzard contributor, and Team Liquid contributor mean absolutely nothing to the organization.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you really need to move on.
I assume you're in your mid 30s (or older) like the rest of us. 99% of the current active posters on TL have never heard of you or your accomplishments, which is expected, as all of that stuff you did was over a decade ago and people have moved on.
The part where you said: "Then to permanently ban me on top of that all that (for merely reposting exactly this same content) shows that my entire career as a Starcraft contributor, Blizzard contributor, and Team Liquid contributor mean absolutely nothing to the organization." The last part is definitely correct. You were around during the 2nd to 3rd wave of top American SC1 players, if I remember correctly -- the current people at TL don't know about you. I remember some of your accomplishments, but again, that was a long time ago.
I did many positive things for the SC1 community in America, Europe, and Korea back in the day. Do you think anyone aside from a few old dudes still playing Starcraft remember that? Nope. Nor do I care.
Don't let the actions of some random gamer get you upset, especially at your age. There are way more important/fun things you can be doing and worrying about instead of TL in 2020.
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I had to edit my post because I just saw your other post:
On September 07 2020 12:20 TianYuan wrote:
After looking into it, the thread you posted your map in, was not made for users to share their work. It was specifically about peoples favorite maps throughout the games competitive history.
You received a warning, and replied to that warning by saying you had reported TL to the IC3 (.... which after googling, appears to be short for the "internet crime complaint center"???). Furthermore you said 'go ahead and ban me', which for roughly as long as TL has existed has basically been instantly met by the response of "Well, okay then" followed by a ban.
It's not my favorite policy, but it's been there for a very long time. I don't post a lot on TL or LP nowadays, and I'm sure there are things that have changed (for better and for worse), but I think this particular interaction would have gone roughly the same 10-15 years ago, as it did today.
Your work would probably have been met with a much different response if posted in the correct place (such as the SC2 custom maps subsection). That metropolis one must have taken a crazy amount of work :0
Yes, this is my second perma-ban, I am tired of Team Liquid's bullying. I have in fact reported Team Liquid to the FBI and IC3 (for alternate reasons). Incidentally i was summoned to court immediately after (also for unrelated reasons). I intend on making the court appearance.
In my opinion it's time to take legal action against Team Liquid and Nazgul. They're covering for criminal behavior in some cases, and abusing the psychological well-being of others in other cases. Since the welfare of the community doesn't seem of interest to them, and because the actions of the paid administration and moderation are sociologically inappropriate I have taken the appropriate actions myself. I have already talked to my brother about this who works for intelligence and although he doesn't think my specific case will be sufficient to damage the organization, it entirely my intent to allow an investigation of the administration and mods (specifically because they ignore criminal activity and by silencing related complaints encourage it).
I'm very sorry to take this action. As I specified before, I knew incontrol and have used these services for 2 decades. Unfortunately, it seems none of my contributions are of interest to the administration. Consequently, since I get none of the respect I deserve, I've initiated an investigation with the IC3 and wholly intend on providing them with the relevant information. Specifically I will be dealing with Seeker, Olli, and Nazgul.
Just to clarify my end of this I'm a 33-year-old man with 160+ IQ, multiple college degrees, a master's degree and a job. I really don't appreciate random intimidation tactics by masturbating kids behind their computer monitor.
You, nor I, deserve any respect for what we have done in an online game 10+ years ago. It's not like we helped create Starcraft or anything.
I'm largely inclined to agree with you... The problem I see from a casual perspective is that:
A) I'm 33 years old with an MA, 2 Bachelor's degrees, and in the process of obtaining a Ph.D. and I'm being treated like an unruly 14 year old.
B) Even if you have no idea who IncontroL or NonY are you should probably have some idea of the significance of their history in e-Sports.
C) I'm being banned for posting a 3-Dimensional Starcraft which is potentially revolutionary to the genre. Is there some reason why the mods don't encourage Starcraft on the only Starcraft forum used by some of the Western world?
The obvious conclusion is that Team Liquid's forums never evolved into a business. They still act as though Team Liquid is an underground organization without any need to pay respect to its patrons. In the real world you can't ban customers or kick them out of your store because they happen to wear the logo of a sports team that you don't care for.
Look, you're obviously pissed off because you worked hard and feel disrespected. But take a step back and look at the bigger picture here.
1. you've been banned from TL before
2. you posted off topic things in a specific thread and goaded mods into banning you, and given how petulant you're acting in this thread, I'm guessing this wasn't your only post first ban infraction
3. you're trying to get the FBI to investigate a company over decisions unpaid moderators make on their forums and (i didn't fully read every post) hiring/firing decisions
I don't play SC2, so I can't comment on your work, but they had more than enough cause to ban you, they can ban anyone they want from their forums for any reason, and who gives a shit if you were banned? Just post your work somewhere people would appreciate it (reddit, discord groups, etc). As for the FBI, come on.
Now I likely wouldn't permaban someone for the above, I generally ban people here for abuse of others, spam, or scams/sketchy website links. But I absolutely side with mods for warning and following up with at least a temporary ban on someone who doubles down and dares them to do so.
NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut
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failsafe United States. Sep 09 2020 01:20. Posts 1037
On September 08 2020 23:49 Daut wrote:
lololololol reporting TL to the FBI, that's a good one.
seriously LOL, this is the most absurd series of posts i've ever seen
edit: saw some mentions of possible schizophrenia by other users. very possible. please seek help.
As someone whose mother spent her career working at the Auburn University Program for Students with Diabilities, I don't think you should be distasteful toward people like myself who has psychological disabilities. I respect your position as a moderator and don't intend to antagonize you, but it is important to be respectful of psychological health. People in poker aren't for instance people in education, nor are they even people in business (necessarily), but not everything is a gamble. These are basic asymptotic conditions for Economics of signal-theory. You can't for instance suppose a person who is making threats at the poker table deserves to stay at the table. But on the other hand, you can't ban people for things you suspect them. I wasn't at all intending to goad the mods into banning me in the other thread but was specifically responding to a threat to my person. This certainly isn't the first time that the moderator Seeker has been called out (and in agreement with the Administrators) for abusing his powers as a moderator and warning or temp banning people as a means of isolating bad decisions. So my point is that I appreciate our relationship here on LiquidPoker where I have never been so much as warned, and the position I inhabit on Team Liquid where I was banned for psychological problems. Anyway, Schizophrenia is an improving condition and can be exempted after 10 years, or so. But, I do disagree with the flagrant use of moderator power because it engenders a lack of sympathy on the part of those who are sociologically abused.
Anyway, I'm glad this isn't the case here and appreciate your response. I only mean to point out that I did have Paranoid Schizophrenia and Schizo-affective disorder at one point in my life. Although that is now some years ago, and my condition has improved to a case of diagnosed Depression (as of 2018), these conditions are not a laughing matter, and you should take them seriously. This is something that should be considered as necessary etiquette by people in power on the internet. As you can see in the case of certain students who have commented on political conditions and Black Lives Matter, insults on Twitter or any public forum can result in expulsion from school, university or otherwise. So for instance, abusing a psychologically inept person is inappropriate and not a realistic option for a company like Team Liquid--which is the point I make.
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failsafe United States. Sep 09 2020 01:22. Posts 1037
Here is one other case where Seeker is called out by patrons of Team Liquid. In fact, as you say, goading can go both ways. The moderator goads the patron into getting offended or incensed. The intent of course is to ban the patron if he responds negatively to the warning. I think that's the subtle point made in this thread.
The administrator KadaverBB responds adequately. In fact I think that moderators of Team Liquid should be required to be non-threatening toward patrons of the website. Otherwise they should forfeit their position (paid or unpaid).
Most of the people I know including myself have been banned from TL. Just cut your losses short. You have no legal recourse here, you are just giving them more of your life. It's a sunk cost mentality. They will never recognize you or respect you. The state is also not on your side as a person with disabilities, especially not online. Plus, if you have asked them to ban you, then it shows that at least on an unconscious level you realized that it is not a website that is worth investing into.
Every place that concentrates power in a few people's hands and where those people are not held accountable will create these problems. TL can afford to ban lots of people if they want to, so of course they will. The csgo website ESEA is the same. They do not care about you. They care about their own little elite class and making money. Corporations that don't ban people only do so because they see them as dollar signs. They know how important it is to be inclusive if they want to survive. But at the end of the day it's always about money. If you haven't been supporting TL financially either directly or indirectly they could not care any less about you and your StarCraft history.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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FrinkX United States. Sep 09 2020 12:03. Posts 7561
i've been sitting here for like 10m trying to figure out what's the best part of all of this. For me it's a tie between the hilarious name-dropping as if that makes you someone/means you're owed something and the fact that you mentioned you have a 160+ IQ (yet cant understand a ban that a 5 year old could understand)
after seeing Hiems comments on RIKDs thread I thought he was the nut low of LP but nope you took the crown, congrats dude
Clan X17 is not a game.... You've got to DEMAND respect.
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failsafe United States. Sep 09 2020 18:02. Posts 1037
On September 09 2020 04:24 Loco wrote:
Most of the people I know including myself have been banned from TL. Just cut your losses short. You have no legal recourse here, you are just giving them more of your life. It's a sunk cost mentality. They will never recognize you or respect you. The state is also not on your side as a person with disabilities, especially not online. Plus, if you have asked them to ban you, then it shows that at least on an unconscious level you realized that it is not a website that is worth investing into.
Every place that concentrates power in a few people's hands and where those people are not held accountable will create these problems. TL can afford to ban lots of people if they want to, so of course they will. The csgo website ESEA is the same. They do not care about you. They care about their own little elite class and making money. Corporations that don't ban people only do so because they see them as dollar signs. They know how important it is to be inclusive if they want to survive. But at the end of the day it's always about money. If you haven't been supporting TL financially either directly or indirectly they could not care any less about you and your StarCraft history.
Well, I'm a TL-investor. I'm a Blizzard-investor. I'm a stock-owner and an a financial manager. The fact that Blizzard doesn't mean anything to TL and money doesn't mean anything to TL, and their own apparel and merchandise doesn't mean anything to TL, goes to show you that it's just not a well-run business. A Shark Tank entrepreneur would have to say that you can't expect much more growth from TL. You've got to conform to business-standards that already exist. Doing a 1-base Carrier rush-type build is artsy and cute, but in the modern business cycle no one cares about your flair. I'd be surprised if TL continues to grow as a business or ever becomes a billion dollar company.
Realistically, when you're conniving and treat people like shit then they come to realize you don't respect them. If you don't respect your investors and contributors then they'll take their money elsewhere. At the end of the day, that spells the end of your business. People don't have to take flak from controllers who don't have any resources of their own and pretend to a stature they don't deserve. It's one of the reasons that TL's growth is a limited phenomenon. You just can't expect real investors to continue their interest in you when you don't treat your own customers with respect. I don't feel like Nazgul et al. have preserved my dignity as a patron, and I don't know why that's the case. It doesn't make sense for them and it doesn't make sense to me. If it were a viable business strategy to treat your investors like shit then people would do it. But you don't see Mark Cuban getting trampled by an angry mob of people who don't know better. The reason some people are billionaires and others aren't has to do with the way they treat people. If I feel like you're threatening and not invested in my self-worth and identity, then I'm not going to do business with you.
This is the basic difference between a trillion dollar company like Apple and a backwash experience like Team Liquid forums. Your flagship product can't scream we're a bunch of jerks who aren't interested in your welfare. If it does then you won't get anywhere. There's a difference between quality control and a lack of quality.
I own Pokémon cards worth more than the average TL mod.
On September 09 2020 11:03 FrinkX wrote:
i've been sitting here for like 10m trying to figure out what's the best part of all of this. For me it's a tie between the hilarious name-dropping as if that makes you someone/means you're owed something and the fact that you mentioned you have a 160+ IQ (yet cant understand a ban that a 5 year old could understand)
after seeing Hiems comments on RIKDs thread I thought he was the nut low of LP but nope you took the crown, congrats dude
Ever since this thread came up I've been wondering for days now that it seems like that most of the ppl who are still active on this site have serious mental issues. Also I was wondering if I'm one of them.
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failsafe United States. Sep 11 2020 00:36. Posts 1037
Yes. It is not very difficult to understand how banning people is damaging to their self-esteem. I am rather surprised this is so hard for Nazgul. Maybe he will run a more successful business in the future.
I would never call someone out for Map Hacking , but you know. The sort of person who bans people for sadistic reasons is the sort of person who would Map Hack, or even worse, Mineral Hack.
Times must be tough for TL....Hope they can pull through!
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blackjacki2 United States. Sep 11 2020 04:43. Posts 2581
You seriously need to get some help. These delusional ramblings of getting the FBI to bust up TL because they banned you and you're upset about it are insane. Nobody gives a fuck about you getting banned from TL, especially the FBI. I've been banned from TL 10+ times myself and most of them I deserved because I was a 15-16 year old with a rude mouth. As TianYuan said, if you ask to get banned from TL they are going to ban you. That has always been the case. Get over it. After I matured a bit I messaged Nazgul and asked him to unban me and he did it no questions asked. I advise you to do the same. If you feel like you have been slighted because they are treating you like an unruly 14 year-old my advice is to stop acting like one and maybe they will stop treating you like one.
Also the mentions of your pokemon card collection, your college degrees, or how you knew NonY and incontrol is just really sad and pathetic and reeks of desperation for some kind of affirmation. Maybe this is a news flash for you but half the people left on this nearly dead liquid site are super old school starcraft players that used to game with incontrol and nony. Literally nobody gives a fuck.
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failsafe United States. Sep 11 2020 16:18. Posts 1037
On September 11 2020 01:28 Sleepy311 wrote:
"I am rather surprised this is so hard for Nazgul. Maybe he will run a more successful business in the future."
Actually my Great Grand-Uncle was the first mayor of Chicago and its richest citizen. Just imagine such an estimable town gave rise to the nefarious Al Capone.
On September 08 2020 12:03 failsafe wrote:
A) I'm 33 years old with an MA, 2 Bachelor's degrees, and in the process of obtaining a Ph.D. and I'm being treated like an unruly 14 year old.
Dude... its the internet, you could be a Nobel Prize winner that found the cure for cancer and you'll still be treated like a 14yo
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FrinkX United States. Sep 14 2020 17:05. Posts 7561
On September 09 2020 04:24 Loco wrote:
Most of the people I know including myself have been banned from TL. Just cut your losses short. You have no legal recourse here, you are just giving them more of your life. It's a sunk cost mentality. They will never recognize you or respect you. The state is also not on your side as a person with disabilities, especially not online. Plus, if you have asked them to ban you, then it shows that at least on an unconscious level you realized that it is not a website that is worth investing into.
Every place that concentrates power in a few people's hands and where those people are not held accountable will create these problems. TL can afford to ban lots of people if they want to, so of course they will. The csgo website ESEA is the same. They do not care about you. They care about their own little elite class and making money. Corporations that don't ban people only do so because they see them as dollar signs. They know how important it is to be inclusive if they want to survive. But at the end of the day it's always about money. If you haven't been supporting TL financially either directly or indirectly they could not care any less about you and your StarCraft history.
Well, I'm a TL-investor. I'm a Blizzard-investor. I'm a stock-owner and an a financial manager. The fact that Blizzard doesn't mean anything to TL and money doesn't mean anything to TL, and their own apparel and merchandise doesn't mean anything to TL, goes to show you that it's just not a well-run business. A Shark Tank entrepreneur would have to say that you can't expect much more growth from TL. You've got to conform to business-standards that already exist. Doing a 1-base Carrier rush-type build is artsy and cute, but in the modern business cycle no one cares about your flair. I'd be surprised if TL continues to grow as a business or ever becomes a billion dollar company.
Realistically, when you're conniving and treat people like shit then they come to realize you don't respect them. If you don't respect your investors and contributors then they'll take their money elsewhere. At the end of the day, that spells the end of your business. People don't have to take flak from controllers who don't have any resources of their own and pretend to a stature they don't deserve. It's one of the reasons that TL's growth is a limited phenomenon. You just can't expect real investors to continue their interest in you when you don't treat your own customers with respect. I don't feel like Nazgul et al. have preserved my dignity as a patron, and I don't know why that's the case. It doesn't make sense for them and it doesn't make sense to me. If it were a viable business strategy to treat your investors like shit then people would do it. But you don't see Mark Cuban getting trampled by an angry mob of people who don't know better. The reason some people are billionaires and others aren't has to do with the way they treat people. If I feel like you're threatening and not invested in my self-worth and identity, then I'm not going to do business with you.
This is the basic difference between a trillion dollar company like Apple and a backwash experience like Team Liquid forums. Your flagship product can't scream we're a bunch of jerks who aren't interested in your welfare. If it does then you won't get anywhere. There's a difference between quality control and a lack of quality.
I own Pokémon cards worth more than the average TL mod.
On September 09 2020 04:24 Loco wrote:
Most of the people I know including myself have been banned from TL. Just cut your losses short. You have no legal recourse here, you are just giving them more of your life. It's a sunk cost mentality. They will never recognize you or respect you. The state is also not on your side as a person with disabilities, especially not online. Plus, if you have asked them to ban you, then it shows that at least on an unconscious level you realized that it is not a website that is worth investing into.
Every place that concentrates power in a few people's hands and where those people are not held accountable will create these problems. TL can afford to ban lots of people if they want to, so of course they will. The csgo website ESEA is the same. They do not care about you. They care about their own little elite class and making money. Corporations that don't ban people only do so because they see them as dollar signs. They know how important it is to be inclusive if they want to survive. But at the end of the day it's always about money. If you haven't been supporting TL financially either directly or indirectly they could not care any less about you and your StarCraft history.
Well, I'm a TL-investor. I'm a Blizzard-investor. I'm a stock-owner and an a financial manager. The fact that Blizzard doesn't mean anything to TL and money doesn't mean anything to TL, and their own apparel and merchandise doesn't mean anything to TL, goes to show you that it's just not a well-run business. A Shark Tank entrepreneur would have to say that you can't expect much more growth from TL. You've got to conform to business-standards that already exist. Doing a 1-base Carrier rush-type build is artsy and cute, but in the modern business cycle no one cares about your flair. I'd be surprised if TL continues to grow as a business or ever becomes a billion dollar company.
Realistically, when you're conniving and treat people like shit then they come to realize you don't respect them. If you don't respect your investors and contributors then they'll take their money elsewhere. At the end of the day, that spells the end of your business. People don't have to take flak from controllers who don't have any resources of their own and pretend to a stature they don't deserve. It's one of the reasons that TL's growth is a limited phenomenon. You just can't expect real investors to continue their interest in you when you don't treat your own customers with respect. I don't feel like Nazgul et al. have preserved my dignity as a patron, and I don't know why that's the case. It doesn't make sense for them and it doesn't make sense to me. If it were a viable business strategy to treat your investors like shit then people would do it. But you don't see Mark Cuban getting trampled by an angry mob of people who don't know better. The reason some people are billionaires and others aren't has to do with the way they treat people. If I feel like you're threatening and not invested in my self-worth and identity, then I'm not going to do business with you.
This is the basic difference between a trillion dollar company like Apple and a backwash experience like Team Liquid forums. Your flagship product can't scream we're a bunch of jerks who aren't interested in your welfare. If it does then you won't get anywhere. There's a difference between quality control and a lack of quality.
I own Pokémon cards worth more than the average TL mod.
You guys laugh but I see essentially this same argument everywhere after people get banned from twitter/youtube/etc. The belief that you're entitled to something because you've been getting it for free for a long time is extremely common
"You can't just take away my freedom of speech! I've been contributing for decades!"
Nop it's just a website and they can stop providing their services to you whenever they want for whatever reason they want. How prestigious and accomplished you are is simply irrelevant. If you wanted compensation and/or special benefits for your work you should have negotiated that in advance.
I'm sorry if that sounds cold but that's pretty much how the world works. Maybe this can be your inspiration to take up coding, build failsafebroodwar.com, and show Nazgul how it's done?
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