ASL 8 (get in here lol) - Page 2

I watched an hour of bisu playing larva+mong since returning from military and even now he's just on another level mechanically from everyone else. Can multitask like no other. He was still a little rusty, and he's not up to date on the new metas, but man is his clicking ability out of this world.

Bisu has been smurfing and still murdering all the top guys not named Flash as well.

?? ?bisu

yeah he back from the army now

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/6bqctk/bisu_makes_a_probe/ (this, while a super tiny detail which basically doesn't influence the outcome of the game, is absurdly impressive. )

and yea reason why bisu is the greatest at pvz is that he has greater multitask than anyone and in pvz that makes zerg fall apart. pvt is a different beast where the action tends to be less fragmented, and then he doesn't have quite the same ability to truly shine.

of all the times to make a probe, holy moly

gogo rise bisu ~!

Jesus that multitasking, Bisu is god.

But with no flash/soulkey/effort/hero around, I think Rain is just going to dominate everything in the foreseeable future. He crushes Last, the other Terrans are a tier below, and he is basically untouchable in PvP. Just have to hope we get a Flash vs Snow epic finals before the Rain stomp fest begins.

Old BW gods stay bw gods...my god they are still so goddamn good.

I feel so impressed by Rain and soulkey ...they owning at both SC2 and BW... both pinnacles at their respective races in both games for quite period of time. And looks to be no end in sight either...

soulkey playing looks like he's losing confidence or something. or it must be just guys catching up to him.

Welp

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Sad action punted that game 2. He should have been able to win that. He could have killed Snow's main while defending his natural (which saves his nat, main, and hidden 3rd) and letting 2 bases die while pulling back drones instead of flying the muta home to defend. Then he wins fairly easily 3 base to 1. He had other routes to victory as well.

Seems like he was just tilted and put himself in a position where he was on the clock with no lurkers or tech and suicided 100 hydras into storms in a choke...

Btw tosses never lose to hydra busts anymore

The newer hydra busts aren't meant to be pure busts, but are more strategic ways of taking the map. Basically zergs take 3 bases, get a specific number of drones mining each base (9 main, 7 natural, 3 3rd), put 4th hatchery at a 4th base, and attack with hydras to try to rip down the forge+gateway at front before +1 weapons finishes. They poke in just to keep the protoss honest with enough cannons, but the main goal is then to drone up, get lair, tech into lurker/muta, and eventually tier 3 and just prevent the protoss from getting a 4th base while they eventually grab a 5th and run the game over.

It's forced protoss to alter some of the corsair builds -- going forge expo into corsair into templar tech leaves Protoss behind against the best zergs (look at games 2/3 and the position Action was in before Snow outclassed him), so now most Protoss mix it up between going gateway expo, forge expo then straight citadel, or forge expo into sair/reaver before citadel. Of course the original build is still great if the zerg does anything else, like lair tech, but the 9734 (referring to the drones at each base and the 4th hatchery at a 4th expo) hydra build is designed to destroy it.

I don't play zerg but I honestly don't understand why zergs don't go early hydras every game. Not a hydra bust but just the 6 or so hydralisks with range to snipe down the gateway/forge and force a bunch of cannons. SnOw must have made 10 cannons at his natural, that's 15 zealots worth of minerals. That has to be so worth cutting your drone production a bit. I feel like zergs have gotten away from that and gone more for all-in hydra busts or just leave the protoss unfettered until you get rolled by a 2-base push.

On August 25 2019 03:35 blackjacki2 wrote: I don't play zerg but I honestly don't understand why zergs don't go early hydras every game. Not a hydra bust but just the 6 or so hydralisks with range to snipe down the gateway/forge and force a bunch of cannons. SnOw must have made 10 cannons at his natural, that's 15 zealots worth of minerals. That has to be so worth cutting your drone production a bit. I feel like zergs have gotten away from that and gone more for all-in hydra busts or just leave the protoss unfettered until you get rolled by a 2-base push.

That's what Zergs have realized lately. FLash explains this new 9-7-3-(4) ---> Drones on each base breaks the Bisu (Protoss) build almost entirely. Timing builds are so precise nowadays the Protoss needs some new thing in response.

Flash says here that map tweaks or removal have broken 1-1-1 for a while now which is why nobody uses it anymore. I will miss seeing Flash and how brilliant this guy analyzes the game in general.

Also zergs found that 2 hatch muta works vs either 5 rax or 1-1-1.

I think Protoss will find that gateway first builds work vs anything zerg does. I don't think Protoss can start going sair reaver as a catch-all build, as that seems far inferior vs the power drone into scourge into hydra/lurker into defiler builds. Nor can they just go citadel as that gets destroyed by muta builds since mutas can outmicro archons and snipe temps. The main problem now is that zergs are often faking what they do, either making it look like 9734 by going overpool into den but then canceling and going muta which forces protoss to make a few unnecessary cannons at the front, or going lair then canceling and going 9734 which is built to dominate the bisu corsair into templar builds.

I think at the highest levels the matchup will remain balanced, but it's very easy for a mid level to decent zerg to learn these types of builds and dominate protoss players who can't keep scouting probes alive long enough to see tech routes and then are forced into either a guessing game or overdefending against multiple threats.