On May 05 2017 00:02 Baalim wrote:
Why teleportation in scenario 1 does not reduce consciousness to the brain?
If consciousness reduces to brain and teleportation involves changing that brain/matter this means that you can NOT have continuous consciousness. This is like a theorem. If C reduces to B and you change B to B', C won't exist any more, although B = B'. In our case you will have C' on the place of C with C' = C. This change from C to C' is making this a non-continuous consciousness (aka you fall in case 2).
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Santafairy Korea (South). May 05 2017 17:28. Posts 2226
the brain isn't changing constantly already? so I don't have continuous (aka made-up) consciousness
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On May 05 2017 06:57 napalm wrote:
Majority or not you say you're non-existent when you sleep, which simply is not true because there also is dream state, besides you can be aware in dreamless state aswell if your mind is still with enough consistency. Unconsciousness simply is not a basis for non-existence.
He's not wrong since he didn't say you are exclusively non-existent when you sleep.
And I don't care how much you train yourself, you will never be able to be lucid as you enter deep sleep. If you become lucid it's because you're out of deep sleep.
In every meaningful way, unconsciousness is non-existence. Unless you want to pretend to care about the various microorganisms that are still alive and "aware" in your body. The lights are off and it doesn't matter which words we use -- we're simply not there.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
Assuming death feels the same as deep sleep or anesthesia we die every night and wake up as a new person and only memories from past days give us illusion of continuity, question is what happens if somebody creates an identical copy of your brain by uploading it to a computer or by teleportation (assuming we have the technology ) and destroys the "original" , would you still feel the same continuity ? Logic says it shouldn't matter since your body replaces most cells every ~10 years and you are still you, although its happening gradually and not in 100% so we cant be certain.
The more i think about it the less Im afraid of death, worst case scenario its just eternal sleep where energy and atoms go back to the universe, who knows maybe after many billions of years the same atoms recycled countless of times will randomly create RNA and start life on another planet, there is also option we "switch" to body in another multiverse where you are still alive, or if universe is truly infinite there must exist another planet exactly like earth maybe you get reborn without memories of you past life, finding out we are simulation created by advanced civilization seems like the most depressing option.
On May 05 2017 00:02 Baalim wrote:
Why teleportation in scenario 1 does not reduce consciousness to the brain?
If consciousness reduces to brain and teleportation involves changing that brain/matter this means that you can NOT have continuous consciousness. This is like a theorem. If C reduces to B and you change B to B', C won't exist any more, although B = B'. In our case you will have C' on the place of C with C' = C. This change from C to C' is making this a non-continuous consciousness (aka you fall in case 2).
what? again I dont understand what you mean.
If you think your brain as a computer, (processor and Hadr drive), when you teleport it thus copying it perfectly to the subatomic level, it means that every bit of information in the hard-drive will remain the same, so you will experience a continuous consciousness, you will be in one place and then in the other, nothing has changed.
On May 06 2017 02:50 maryn wrote:
Assuming death feels the same as deep sleep or anesthesia we die every night and wake up as a new person and only memories from past days give us illusion of continuity, question is what happens if somebody creates an identical copy of your brain by uploading it to a computer or by teleportation (assuming we have the technology ) and destroys the "original" , would you still feel the same continuity ? Logic says it shouldn't matter
On May 04 2017 15:45 napalm wrote:
Consciousness is not awareness. You can be conscious yet unaware and unconscious(asleep) but aware. If you say you're non-existant when you sleep then who is the dreamer?
There is a state of dreamless sleep.
You always dream but you just do not remember. There is no unconscious state for your soul, your soul is always conscious but your physical body is unaware is what i have learn.
my karma is done, now time to enjoy life, peace is the way karma is a way Jesus is a way
On May 05 2017 07:04 lostaccount wrote:
we go to sleep after death for some time, then when the 2nd coming of Jesus. Judgement day will comes, get resurrected and we either go to heaven if we are righteous or hell if we sin.
I choose the former so i can not wait till that day when there will be unlimited happiness.
Also gambling is not sin, the love of money is the root of all evil. Love of money is a sin. So in short DO NOT SIN.
Just my opinion and if anyone of you like to learn about the bible give me a message.
I am a converted christian, so i have been studying the bible religiously.
I don't get how people fall for the consciousness argument. I get it from a POV perspective, but its absolutely false when seen from a 3rd party, gladly we don't live in such a simple world.
On May 05 2017 07:04 lostaccount wrote:
we go to sleep after death for some time, then when the 2nd coming of Jesus. Judgement day will comes, get resurrected and we either go to heaven if we are righteous or hell if we sin.
I choose the former so i can not wait till that day when there will be unlimited happiness.
Also gambling is not sin, the love of money is the root of all evil. Love of money is a sin. So in short DO NOT SIN.
Just my opinion and if anyone of you like to learn about the bible give me a message.
I am a converted christian, so i have been studying the bible religiously.
For some reason i find it funny.
I find it funny, you find it funny cause God is real.
my karma is done, now time to enjoy life, peace is the way karma is a way Jesus is a way
It's obvious that scientists and the scientific method are not real. One day we will meet our maker and live in ultimate bliss. Except for I have sinned a lot but I am cool with Jesus. The REAL Jesus. Tolstoy's Gospels Jesus. Turn the other cheek Jesus. Dine with prostitutes Jesus. He is my kind of guy. I have already been to hell. It is pretty bad. Heaven is the moments of enlightenment, of bliss, of liberation, of transcendence, of love, of beauty that we have here on Earth in this consciousness. *Blip* that is the sound of someone losing consciousness for eternity. *Blip* *Blip* *Blip* It happens to us all. One second we are conscious and have a theatre full of senses, awareness, and attention and the next.... *Blip*
I'm still rooting for something awesome in relation to dark matter. It's like all the things we don't know or don't understand could be linked and we end up reincarnated as a silver surfer free from tyranny... or a dolphin. I would definitely take dolphin.
You know, I spent a lot of time with my two nephews over this last weekend like 5 months and 1.5 years and sometimes they just give these looks like WHO DID THIS TO ME? WHY HAVE YOU DONE THIS? Also, evidenced by the one basically screaming for 1.5 hours instead of going to sleep. Not hungry. Not cold. No fecal matter. Just flat out dissatisfaction for existence to an extreme level because he is a baby and does not know how else to react. Eventually we learn to just sit in it or distract ourselves or we don't and become alcoholics and drug addicts and overfeed ourselves and all the other things we fall trap to. Man, I do my best to just be understanding and helpful to those little guys. I want to tell them YOUR PARENTS HAD YOU WITH OUT YOUR CONSENT! I KNOW IT SUCKS BUT YOU JUST HAVE STICK IT OUT AND DO YOUR BEST! I'LL READ YOU GREAT STORIES AND TRY TO INSTILL IN YOU HEROIC TRAITS SO THIS SUFFERING CAN BE JUSTIFIED! I would even tell them about chaos, impermanence and death. I will never lie even if it pisses off my brother and sister. Who gives a fuck about the sister and brother in law LOL? I am starting to write my UNCLE MANIFESTO...
I am all about helping the suffering. Babies are suffering fucking big time. Stanhope is one of my heroes. I elect him King of the anti-natal hierarchy.
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